Re: Magomed Abdusalamov is in Self-Induced Coma
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Greenbeanz
apparently fouls do no exist unless awarded
I know you're being sarcastic but YES EXACTLY THAT!!! How many times have you watched your Plymouth Argyle and seen an offsides not called, a penalty not given, a foul not given, a card not shown....it happens and if a team gets caught up in the "B-b-but that was a foul" victim mentality then they are beaten already.
You can foul in boxing and get away with it, you can foul in basketball, football, soccer, and get away with it, it's all about knowing when and how to foul and knowing that makes you cagey, it makes you professional, and it makes you extremely difficult to beat.
If the ref doesn't call it.....then it's not a foul and it's like it never even happened. So it's no use to complain after the fact, a ref won't go back and award a foul because he feels he missed a call or messed up.
Re: Magomed Abdusalamov is in Self-Induced Coma
Yeah had the injury not have occurred it was probably going to be the first hev foty candidate since Ike/Tua.
Having said that El is spot on. Why should Wlad fight like that and put his earnings at risk? With his dodgy chin he would have been working some 8 to 5 job. And he's not a swarmer or brawler so its kind of employment suicide for him to fight that way.
Re: Magomed Abdusalamov is in Self-Induced Coma
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IamInuit
Yeah had the injury not have occurred it was probably going to be the first hev foty candidate since Ike/Tua.
I take NOTHING away from guys who brawl like that. And yeah I can certainly enjoy fighters mixing it up like that but it's not something that's going to give a fighter longevity, it won't work vs everyone, and when that style doesn't work it's bad news for the guy that uses it. You can look very foolish trying to brawl with a boxer.
You look at the wars fighters have had recently or excess damage fighters have taken and look at how their careers went AFTER those fights and it's not good. Look at Riddick Bowe, if he had not brawled so much I guarantee you #1 You wouldn't need subtitles to understand him today and #2 His prime would have lasted a lot longer. Look at Meldrick Taylor a very skilled boxer, quickest hands you could imagine, and very slick on defense....he CHOSE to brawl with JCC and it worked against him and he never recovered after losing that very close fight...but even if he had won what good would he have been?
Your career doesn't get extended by taking excess punishment but it could be prolonged by avoiding that punishment.
I'm a huge Miguel Cotto fan and yeah he can brawl but he also knows when to box. There are guys who have boxing skills, like Meldrick Taylor had and they choose not to use them and to me that's idiotic. It's like if Kareem Abdul Jabaar had his sky hook which nobody could stop and just said "Eh, I don't need to use that"......it's moronic. You're not awarded a victory by being exciting, you win by BOXING. That's the name of the game not EXCITING, if that was the game then fine brawlers would be everywhere and they'd be undefeated, but again it's not the main focus of the sport.
Re: Magomed Abdusalamov is in Self-Induced Coma
Good discussion here, but it's not as if Mago chose to fight that way, he did what he could to try and win. He doesn't have the tools to avoid punishment from a schooled boxer, it's not a matter of how he decided to approach that fight. That's where the Wlad comparison becomes a bit silly, people fault Klitschko for not doing what he is capable of to win within his craft, nobody is asking him to brawl in doing so.
Re: Magomed Abdusalamov is in Self-Induced Coma
I think the train has run off the tracks with all of this talk about who "chooses" to do what in the ring as the opponent has and will always have a direct impact on your route. Sure guys approach some opponents differently, brawl a boxer, box a brawler etc but at the end of the day a guy works with what he brings to the ring and its not all who are master craftsmen or with top skill to make adjustment. Even the master craftsmen became such...learned and honed alternate avenues by realizing what they had was not enough. Just as you adjust over rounds you adjust and learn over career. Morrison brawling Mercer was mentioned...Morrison didn't go in free swinging and brawling Mercer and get caught, he was combination punching the hell outta Mercer and then his green, his chin, and his stamina came up short with a guy with an iron chin and was better. Damiani didn't turn brawler after outclassing Mercer and making him look an amatuer for 8 rounds...he got caught. Even guys who "choose" to box get caught, just as fine boxers turn brawler out of desperation and at the dictate...need...as a fight unfolds. Mago was never ever going to come in and "box" his way to victory..anyone who had seen him 3,4 times prior and get rocked and badly outboxed early with Vic Bisbal knew why he was being featured. Mostly everyone in the ring is a somewhat skilled fighter, boxer until you find the guy coming out of the other corner is better and has more options. Fights evolve, plans change and plan a turns to plan b, and then c if your lucky. If not, you use whats worked and got you to the dance and God willing when you learn it was not enough early in a career you learn and improve next time around. Ffs right now you just want and hope this guy, this fighter, improves for more reasons than the ring.
Re: Magomed Abdusalamov is in Self-Induced Coma
Boxing News | Abdusalamov suffers stroke; Family facing staggering medical bills; Team Abdusalamov establishing trust fund
Well it doesn't look good now.. Apparently the guys family will be in huge debt on top of having to pray that he makes it out alive. Medical expenses should all be covered by HBO or his promoter after that fight(or any like this) for christs sake, his purse was only 40,000:mad:
Re: Magomed Abdusalamov is in Self-Induced Coma
Jesus that's awful. The promoter is obligated to provide medical insurance, so I wonder how much of it is covered?
Great to hear Sergio Martinez stepped up to help. I'm sure he won't be the only boxer stepping up.
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Beanflicker
Jesus that's awful. The promoter is obligated to provide medical insurance, so I wonder how much of it is covered?
Great to hear Sergio Martinez stepped up to help. I'm sure he won't be the only boxer stepping up.
Yeah I'm certain other boxers will step in and help there are quite a few who are very charitable with their money.
I just hope he survives ok and is able to lead a long full life.
Re: Magomed Abdusalamov is in Self-Induced Coma
I don't fault them for not stopping the fight. As far as they knew, all he had was a busted nose and a swollen cheekbone, both of which fighters are expected to fight through. I don't remember a point in the fight where I thought it should have been stopped, because Perez wasn't really visibly hurting him to the point where it looked like he would KO him, and Magomed was always firing back.
Re: Magomed Abdusalamov is in Self-Induced Coma
Who is Abdusalamov's promoter? K2, right? If so the Klitschkos are morally responsible for this guy. He shouldn't have to pay a nickel in medical bills, they should take care of the whole thing. If he does recover and drops off the radar then months later we hear he's in desperate straits it's not going to make the Klitschkos look good.
Re: Magomed Abdusalamov is in Self-Induced Coma
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Kirkland Laing
Who is Abdusalamov's promoter? K2, right? If so the Klitschkos are morally responsible for this guy. He shouldn't have to pay a nickel in medical bills, they should take care of the whole thing. If he does recover and drops off the radar then months later we hear he's in desperate straits it's not going to make the Klitschkos look good.
His promoter is Sampson Lewkowicz, but you were saying?
Re: Magomed Abdusalamov is in Self-Induced Coma
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beenKOed
Look, it would have been a blessing for Magomed if he had been KO'ed. Having the lights turned off by a KO isn't the best thing for a fighter but it's better than taking solid shots to the head round after round, having your face busted up and winding up in the hospital.
This is my attitude, I didn't ask the guy to get in the ring but I do want him protected as much as possible, within the rules, while he is fighting for my entertainment. If we error for the sake of fighter safety then do it.
I think this is your attitude, I didn't ask the guy to get in the ring, if he fights a stupid and winds up in the hospital he should be grateful I spent the time and money to watch the fight. Am I wrong?
You're 100% wrong. Obviously you haven't read many of my posts (including posts in this very thread) where I've always had a very protective stance of the fighters.
I'm with you on the KO thing, but lets face facts: if he threw in the towel at any point during that fight, everyone would be talking about how he was a quitter and had no heart, got exposed, ect, and his career would have been in the toilet before it really began. He would have to spend YEARS trying to work his way back into a "prospect" position, and even then people would be dogging him saying "well he quit when it got too hot a few years back, maybe he'll do it again."
That's the culture of boxing: if you still have your wits and physical faculties about you, you are expected to fight on. Especially in his position, where a win could have propelled him to much bigger paydays and a loss could send him spiraling into obscurity.
And it wasn't like this was a blow-out fight. IMO Perez was the clear victor, but Magomed clearly won a few rounds in my eyes, and in a 10 round fight you have no idea what the judges are going to do (one judge had them a point apart). Magomed, as far as he and his corner knew, still had a great chance of winning.
So don't give me that shit about wanting to see the fight stopped after the fact. This is a crap shoot. I've seen guys take 10x the punishment he took in a fight and come out fine.
Re: Magomed Abdusalamov is in Self-Induced Coma
Let's be honest 1 punch ALONE can kill someone so boxing will never be 100% safe, really no sport is 100% safe. Mago knew the dangers he faced in the ring, every boxer knows. Hopefully the doctors can get him healthy again but it's ended his career and that's 100% certain.
Re: Magomed Abdusalamov is in Self-Induced Coma
I think it was around the 5th or 6th round, when he went back to his cornet I did think, this could be getting stopped soon, something about his body language and expression going to the corner did worry a touch.
But the way the fight went on, he seemed ok (relatively speaking) and half of us would by talking about a 'bad stoppage' instead of a stroke.
I sincerely hope he pulls through, my dad was in a coma and then a medically induced one, hit by a car. The immediate trauma is terrible, but long long term ramifications could be far reaching and just as bad not just for him, but his family.
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El Kabong
Let's be honest 1 punch ALONE can kill someone so boxing will never be 100% safe, really no sport is 100% safe.
Well that's the funny thing about the human brain I guess. Some people fall out of airplanes and survive, and some people trip on a shoelace and smash their head and die.
You can't gaurentee safety in boxing... but I know for sure you can improve your odds by practicing the sweet science and trying to get hit as little as possible.
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AdamGB
I sincerely hope he pulls through, my dad was in a coma and then a medically induced one, hit by a car. The immediate trauma is terrible, but long long term ramifications could be far reaching and just as bad not just for him, but his family.
I'm not doctor and don't really understand the full implications of his scenario and I wish him the best.
But all I know is history hasn't been kind to boxers who have gone into coma's and had blood clots after fights in general. Hopefully he can beat the odds and come out of this ok. It's heart breaking to know he has a wife and very young kids there.
