Re: froch didnt do terrible in the fight against groves
the main problem with the stoppage is that this is the sport they signed up for. they are going to get hit and get rocked sometimes. especially at this level, you have to let the fighter fight through the rough spots. groves was definitely hurt but he was still throwing punches. maybe he would have fallen but he could have gotten up and finished the round. who knows? if you are going to stop fights that quickly, boxing would soon become a dead sport. so many exciting fights throughout the years have been made by a fighter being badly hurt but coming back. in this fight, groves never got his chance.
Re: froch didnt do terrible in the fight against groves
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Dropanuke
So groves should have taken the 8 count making the scores closer and froch no doubt was landing more from round 7 and likely would have finished stronger and by winning the last few rounds it would have been a draw or split decision!!
So either way it's bollox but he got stopped and when hurt didn't free back like froch did.
Froch just kept coming and that's the difference here.
why should groves have taken an 8 count?
no froch wasnt no doubt landing more from round 7
in reality george won 6 of the first 8 plus the knockdown and froch would have needed a KO or a couple of Knockdowns
i dont think there was any corruption involved in the refs decision to stop the fight, just a bad decision, the score cards are very dubious though
Re: froch didnt do terrible in the fight against groves
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Its styles though, Froch is comfortable fighting a Kessler fight, less thinking, more brawling. It wasn't until he was nicely beat up did he come alive against Groves.
On the knock down he was positioned horribly. It was like watching Hatton all over again. The big, invincible, I AM. Then he gets nailed.
Froch took some huge shots in there, the more he took, the stronger he seemed to become. Massive overhand rights to the chin and he started to just walk through them, when he's in rage mode, there aren't many better. The problem is he doesn't seem to have a boxing brain, to adapt and box, only once have I ever thought he tactically outsmarted another fighter. Other than that he just windmills through.
I actually think De Gale would give Froch fits as well, simply because of style. He would expose all of those massive flaws all over again. Where as GGG, who most would say was better, could possibly suit Froch more as he would be ready to war as well.
True. As I said in another post. Groves performance against Froch makes DeGales performance against Groves look VERY GOOD. I thought that DeGale edged the fight against Groves. Though it was very close.
I don't know where Froch can go other than a rematch with Groves because the fallout over the next weeks and months about how he was lucky and how he got outclassed by Groves will burn him up to the point where he will demand a rematch otherwise like Lennox Lewis did with Klitschko if he does not get it on against a guy many thought he was lucky to beat...it will damage his rep.
Re: froch didnt do terrible in the fight against groves
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Dropanuke
Are we in agreement that froch was not gonna get stopped??
Groves has earnt more than just my respect and he will take over when froch had gone!!
But I just think that froch had taken everything groves had and was still coming forward with no doubt or fear but with hunger and desire to weather George and let's be fare here, carl was digging him with combos and I'm on the fence but a stoppage was gonna happen and if people think otherwise then bute should have been given the benefit and Taylor!!
Because George took some big shots in succession at the stoppage.
If you watch that whole situation look at groves taking the shots and watch his head and body language and be honest and tell me why he was running after and almost falling without tripping and at that moment is carl chasing George and if so tell me what carl would have done next if the ref wasn't there because groves in that point in time to me was only going to recieve a full hearted bombardment with no hold back.
Gotta be honest there and think what the ref was thinking and prob could see what was coming next.
Yes we don't know but we have a good idea regardless of how George looked like he can beat mayweather with one eye and a broken leg etc etc.
I think the ref has a heart and was thinking of George.
It's harsh but it has happnd.
Are you crazy ?
You think Froch was gonna steam roll Groves ? Why ? Because he did it to a past it Jermain Taylor ? That's what you base it off ? Cmon
People seem to think Froch is the Terminator
But the fact is when have you ever seen a referee in a Froch fight stand over Froch's opponent saying "7,8,9, 10...OUT'
MIKE TYSON USED TO KNOCK THEM OUT FOR THE COUNT OF THIRTY
Gerald McClellan. Nigel Benn, Julian Jackson, Edwin Valero (RIP)...the real Teminators they knock them out cold. Froch does not knock people out cold so don't fall for that Terminator image people have of Froch. Froch does that Calzaghe and Roy Jones trick of just throwing a load punches, even they are missing, just to get the ref to panic and stop it.
Fact is : Froch was on top for only 30 seconds of the fight and in that 30 seconds Groves was stopped ? Just outrageous. Groves was never gonna this fight without going thru a rough patch. This was his patch and and the ref stops it.
Bute was getting a beatdown for five rounds so you can't compare that to Froch Vs Groves. Taylor ran out of gas as this was in the last round. This is was the ninth round. So you telling me Froch is gonna be fitter and stronger than an 11 year younger, less battle scarred guy like Groves ?
Re: froch didnt do terrible in the fight against groves
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I know what everyone's saying but is everyone trying to say that froch wssnt gonna get the stoppage?
Why was groves covering up like Abraham tight against the ropes?
Why did froch fight back when hit but groves didn't?
Those shots at the stoppage were crushing groves as the ropes help him up!!
His head was going back like butes? Did nobody see that? It's hard to see as all the eyes are on the punches groves landed and not on what froch was landing to the sides and body up
Close from round 2.
The stoppage was early but people gotta give froch a break as he was coming on and very strong and by that time knew he had taken George's biggest and best but had yet done his best which was seconds from coming!
Just really think groves was on his way out due to using up everything trying to get froch out in the first half.
I also think carl turned up unprepared and thinking he had it in a bag.
oh froch was getting that stoppage before the fight was pver but let him get it legit, the stoppage was shit
Yes!! The subject is now clarified!
Froch innocent
Groves innocent
Early stoppage true
But groves endurance was empty or close as froch was coming big and strong.
Try and imagine the predictable situation in the following round
thats only your opinion
only a minute before the stoppage groves had hit and badly stunned froch, both his hands dropped and his head went down
there was as much chance of another one of those ending the fight
you cant stop a fight based on what the fight was stopped on, if you could you could make a long list of fights that wouldnt have gone the distance
True and worth remembering George has a history of coming back like he did Anderson. He wasn't even down vs froch
George also said he was in a good position because froch had just spent a lot if energy trying to end it. He would have been vulnerable himself at 36 with an empty tank
The ref ruined it for all of us but Carl is such a warrior I think he will honour his word and give George another chance
Re: froch didnt do terrible in the fight against groves
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Dropanuke
The genetics show froch has insane durability !
Groves was in a vulnerable state and was getting clipped and knocked back and not marching forward like froch was!!
Groves was on the ropes taking damage, do you really think he was gonna handle that ?
More landing shots were gonna be on the way it's obvious!
Not to me but everyone.
It is a shame and sad I admit it but it was on its way!
Groves to me did amazing and I think he spent his fuel keeping froch controlled and slowed down allowing froch to get him on the ropes.
Froch will take the rematch and I feel he will turn up and shock us the clear the world of doubt and upset.
Groves has more than earnt the rematch and if he doesn't get it I'll never watch boxing again!!
Froch was coming on big time and groves was gonna get hurt I feel.
yes i really think he was in a position to continue when the fight was stopped
there was nothing to suggest he was even going to go down
