Re: What does boxing do after Mayweather retires?
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ykdadamaja
MMA would never be bigger than boxing. Just like Rugby won't ever be bigger than Soccer/Football.
Believe me, as a long time fan of both sports, I was saying the same thing 8 years ago, but boy was I wrong.
MMA absolutely dwarfs boxing in terms of culture significance, and it's only getting stronger.
And I should clarify, it's the UFC that's massive, not neccessarily MMA as a whole.
The UFC has been amazing at expanding their brand and creating stars. True, larger than life, household name STARS. They have people going to MMA gyms instead of boxing gyms.
Now Floyd still out-earns the UFC (usually by a large margin), and pre-JMM KO so did Pac, but the UFC PPV's consistently outdraw everything else boxing related.
I don't see it or feel it... it's gotten more than a cult following, but boxing can attract fans world wide.
Boxing will never lose out to mma. The rise of mma does not mean the loss of significance of boxing.
Re: What does boxing do after Mayweather retires?
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Beanflicker
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Fenster
Who cares whether or not "average folk" are interested in boxing? Mayweather has only been the biggest fish since the De La Hoya fight six years ago. That's it. Six poxy years. There's always a top dog, which at the moment happens to be him.
If Tyson or Ali were from this era they would smash the living fuck out of Floyd's PPV records.
He's already retired once and that meant what exactly to boxing? Fuck all.
Who cares whether average folk are interested in boxing? Any true boxing fan should want their sport to be as big and have as much cultural relevance as possible, because more cash flow = more shows, bigger fights, better purses, ect. And having John Q. Public give a fuck about boxing = more exposure, more channels willing to pick up and broadcast boxing.
Boxing is not meant to be a cult/fringe sport. It's supposed to be something that captures the imagination of even the boxing layman, where men talk and argue about it at work. It's supposed to be the hottest ticket in town. The glitz and glamour, the celebrities at ringside; a boxing match should be the place to be. A Floyd or Pacquiao fight, that's what boxing is supposed to be. It's not supposed to be "our little secret".
And Floyd retired for what? A year maybe? Before he announced his comeback? And luckily Pacquiao had a break-out year in 2008 and was there to carry the torch.
The effects of guys like Floyd and Pac retiring aren't going to be felt overnight. But the long-term ramifications are going to be severe if boxing can't start developing stars to take their place.
You're waffling like a lunatic conspiracy nut.
There are literally thousands of boxing shows all over the world every year. Where exactly is boxing struggling for "more shows, bigger fights, better purses, more exposure, more channels etc."
This is clearly an American based argument.
However, Showtime have had their highest ever ratings for boxing this year (doesn't include Floyd's PPV's). And do I really need to cite the thousands that attend and millions that watch fights every week from across the world?
Can you give me some evidence that the UFC has dethroned boxing as the premiere combat sport? I'm interested in reading that. Thanks.
Re: What does boxing do after Mayweather retires?
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smashup
There was a time in this country when the three major sports were baseball, boxing and horse racing. These days, boxing ranks well down the list, though for a niche sport, it retains a heavy following.
Ratings from cable in 2012 bear that out. Both HBO and Showtime, the two heavyweights in boxing on cable television, had spectacular years. HBO, which is in roughly 30 million homes, compared to roughly 22 million for Showtime, posted the most-watched cable fight of the year and nine of the top 10, according to Nielsen Media Research.
HBO's World Championship Boxing Series averaged over 1.2 million viewers live, an increase of nine percent from 2011. It was the third consecutive year in which all HBO WCB shows did at least 1 million live viewers.
Boxing in America (this argument really has nothing to do with worldwide boxing) is going down a slippery slope, because of UFC, even though viewership is growing year after year?
Re: What does boxing do after Mayweather retires?
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MMA has dethroned boxing as the premiere combat sport. That's just the facts.
Not even close!
In reality, this is the elephant and the ant, and the ant is in fact MMA.
Worldwide, MMA is basically invisible.
You should add "in the USA" when you post, because you're only speaking of your own country, you're a "USA-centric" person, but there's 195 other countries out there.
There's no arguing 220 pro fights per year compared to 20 thousand pro fights per year PLUS an international amateur system where 79 countries sent Olympic teams to the 2012 Olympics, and even womens' boxing is in the Olympics now.
And the money?! There's no comparing the money either for elite fighters in the respective combat-sports either.
Don't let dana white p!$$ down your back and tell you it's raining, son...
Re: What does boxing do after Mayweather retires?
On any given Saturday night, if a premier boxing title fight is on and a premier ufc title fight is on, odds are, 8 out of 10 people are going to tune to the boxing title fight. They may click over to see who's who, but fore-fathers like Ali, Louis, Tyson, Moore and Ray Robinson, sealed the deal for the people with boxing as a must see EVENT... not a sport, but an event.
UFC is not trying to be an event. It's trying to be a sport. lololol... pro-wrasslin still gets more viewers on Monday night and Thursday night than UFC gets.
BTW: WTF happened to CM Punk all of a sudden?!!? He seems out of character?!?! And they need to get Alberto Del-Rio back on the top of the card.
Re: What does boxing do after Mayweather retires?
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ykdadamaja
... scary thought, huh? lol...
I never gave it a thought until recently. I mean, it's not as if we don't have other exciting fighters and match-ups out there to be made, but Mayweather will leave a huge void in boxing.
It's like when Tyson went to jail the first time, or when Ali was sent to prison for draft dodging. The game wasn't the same for a very, very long while.
Even when they came back, it took the Tyson hype about 2 years to really captivate us. Even when Tyson was losing, he still captivated us with excitement and drama and what if's.
When Ali came back, those of us who felt cheated and robbed out of a few years of his prime, was shocked when he couldn't muster up the will to win the first time against Frazier. The game wasn't the same until he beat Foreman.
The game won't be the same when Mayweather leaves the sport. It won't be the same. His stint in jail wasn't even registered as him being "out of the game". Even when there were rumours about him retiring, we knew he wouldn't retire- so we didn't feel the impending void.
But, this 6 fight deal has me a little anxious. The possible match-ups are rewarding, for what's left out there. But, what in the bloody world do we do when he leaves?
Broner got exposed; Garcia hasn't captivated the fans yet, even though I feel he can; Ward is not being packaged properly by HBO and his promoters, even though he wins convincingly; Chad Dawson has been dethroned and beaten up; Wlad and Vitali were never ones that captivated us; the Heavyweight scene on both sides of the pond is un-inspiring; Donaire was beaten crisply by Rigondeaux; and Rigondeaux is boring as hell to watch.
What in the world are we to do when "the man" leaves the sport? Pac can carry it for a few years, but it won't be the same. Just won't be the same. All the more reason they need to fight.
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Boxing will get BETTER when Mayweather finally gets out. Then we can have real champions taking on all comers They'll be no more prima donnas "retiring" in tears no more excuses . Make it soon Floyd Real Soon
