Holyfield in hot water after making anti-gay comment on big brother

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Its alot easier to be gay now now more than any other time in history as so many role models and celebrities are gay.

There are those that are arguably born gay and those that make that choice due to the influences around them or because they choose too.

Whether anyone thinks its wrong or not its not going to change anything.

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Maybe the fact that people are more open about their sexuality these days, yet still get looked at as freaks, just highlights how bad it was for people in the past.

Whoever said they "chose" to be gay?

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Do you believe they chose to be gay or were born gay fenster?

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I've never heard a gay person say they chose to be gay.

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Originally Posted by imp

Its alot easier to be gay now now more than any other time in history as so many role models and celebrities are gay.

There are those that are arguably born gay and those that make that choice due to the influences around them or because they choose too.

Whether anyone thinks its wrong or not its not going to change anything.

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The judgement day is coming and a lot of people are going to be punished.. I just dont understand.. u can tell how much this world has changed just by reading this thread.. unbelievable smh.

Btw, I just found out that one of the guy who works in our managment office of our town house is gay..like very gay

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What are you gonna do about it?

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Avoid him or just look away when we cross paths.. it makes me sick tbh..

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So basically you're gonna flirt with him? What a surprise ;D

I dont think any person will say they chose to be gay.
They would probably say they always had feelings or urges to go that way.
Lets take someone like elton john who used to be married or whatever, perhaps he would say he suppressed those feelings during marriage or he might have felt completely straight.

What is the rule now. Is it inappropriate to say anything against a man taking it up the ass? Did Evander refer to the Bible when he made the comments. I haven't seen the show or the clip it just seems like people are hypersensitive when it comes to the topic. Someone who enjoys getting something shoved up their ass has no effect on me but it does seem a little nasty.

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Originally Posted by imp

Its alot easier to be gay now now more than any other time in history as so many role models and celebrities are gay.

There are those that are arguably born gay and those that make that choice due to the influences around them or because they choose too.

Whether anyone thinks its wrong or not its not going to change anything.

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The judgement day is coming and a lot of people are going to be punished.. I just dont understand.. u can tell how much this world has changed just by reading this thread.. unbelievable smh.

Btw, I just found out that one of the guy who works in our managment office of our town house is gay..like very gay

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What are you gonna do about it?

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Avoid him or just look away when we cross paths.. it makes me sick tbh..

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So basically you're gonna flirt with him? What a surprise ;D

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Wow, such a gay way to put it, Fen.. lol

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Originally Posted by imp

I dont think any person will say they chose to be gay.
They would probably say they always had feelings or urges to go that way.
Lets take someone like elton john who used to be married or whatever, perhaps he would say he suppressed those feelings during marriage or he might have felt completely straight.

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Have you ever knocked one out looking at a man? If not you're not gay. Simple.

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What is the rule now. Is it inappropriate to say anything against a man taking it up the ass? Did Evander refer to the Bible when he made the comments. I haven't seen the show or the clip it just seems like people are hypersensitive when it comes to the topic. Someone who enjoys getting something shoved up their ass has no effect on me but it does seem a little nasty.

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People are scared to be politically incorrect... like robots.. they are brain washed by the media..

It's downright disgusting and immoral for a dude to get fudge packed.. c mon a normal male couldnt think like that..

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I knew it wouldnt take long. Hes always been a sulky cock.

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Tut-tut, Ross. Be as tolerant as you want everyone else to be. If you can.

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Tolerant?

Of what?

Ignorance?

Each to their own and I think everyone agrees that what really gets up most peoples noses is when an opinion is preached upon you. Not a differing opinion but actual gospel that "im sorry I have a different opinion" but "no, gays can deffinitly be fixed like a broken leg".:rolleyes:

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The woman kept asking him questions until she got the reaction she wanted, then she says they shouldn't be talking about it.
Does that set off any alarms for you?
You ask a person a question, he gives you his honest opinion, but it's not the answer you want so you drag him over the coals. Seems intolerant to me, a little like the Inquisition.
Reality shows thrive on controversy and that's what's happening.
Personally I don't agree fully with anything Holyfield said, but you are not going to change anyone's mind if you call him a .....sulky cock?

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Originally Posted by ross

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I knew it wouldnt take long. Hes always been a sulky cock.

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Tut-tut, Ross. Be as tolerant as you want everyone else to be. If you can.

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Tolerant?

Of what?

Ignorance?

Each to their own and I think everyone agrees that what really gets up most peoples noses is when an opinion is preached upon you. Not a differing opinion but actual gospel that "im sorry I have a different opinion" but "no, gays can deffinitly be fixed like a broken leg".:rolleyes:

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The woman kept asking him questions until she got the reaction she wanted, then she says they shouldn't be talking about it.
Does that set off any alarms for you?
You ask a person a question, he gives you his honest opinion, but it's not the answer you want so you drag him over the coals. Seems intolerant to me, a little like the Inquisition.
Reality shows thrive on controversy and that's what's happening.
Personally I don't agree fully with anything Holyfield said, but you are not going to change anyone's mind if you call him a .....sulky cock?

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I watched it, she didnt really question him at all. When he started saying what he thought about gays all she said was I dont think we should talk about it in here. I actually think she was trying to shut him up to save him from himself.

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Originally Posted by walrus

What is the rule now. Is it inappropriate to say anything against a man taking it up the ass? Did Evander refer to the Bible when he made the comments. I haven't seen the show or the clip it just seems like people are hypersensitive when it comes to the topic. Someone who enjoys getting something shoved up their ass has no effect on me but it does seem a little nasty.

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People are scared to be politically incorrect... like robots.. they are brain washed by the media..

It's downright disgusting and immoral for a dude to get fudge packed.. c mon a normal male couldnt think like that..

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You don't think that you've been conditioned to hold that opinion. Only people who don't follow your line of thinking have been brainwashed? ??? :vd: irony at it's worst.

Homsexuality ISN'T 'normal', it doesn't have to be... that doesn't mean that it is immoral or 'wrong'.

I wonder why you are so threatened by it? I doubt you can give more than a vague, weak answer, you can't come up with actual reasoning because it is just a belief that society has installed into you, not one you've reached on your own. Ironically you think that people that are not threatened by and can accept those that are different to the norm are the ones whom are brainwashed. No. They're the ones that can reason logically for themselves.
You're really not very bright, something I doubt you'll ever grasp.

'Brainwashed'... lol! The whole cliched alpha male stereotype that you try so desperately to conform to is fucking brainwashing... :rolleyes:

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I knew it wouldnt take long. Hes always been a sulky cock.

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Tut-tut, Ross. Be as tolerant as you want everyone else to be. If you can.

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Tolerant?

Of what?

Ignorance?

Each to their own and I think everyone agrees that what really gets up most peoples noses is when an opinion is preached upon you. Not a differing opinion but actual gospel that "im sorry I have a different opinion" but "no, gays can deffinitly be fixed like a broken leg".:rolleyes:

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The woman kept asking him questions until she got the reaction she wanted, then she says they shouldn't be talking about it.
Does that set off any alarms for you?
You ask a person a question, he gives you his honest opinion, but it's not the answer you want so you drag him over the coals. Seems intolerant to me, a little like the Inquisition.
Reality shows thrive on controversy and that's what's happening.
Personally I don't agree fully with anything Holyfield said, but you are not going to change anyone's mind if you call him a .....sulky cock?

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I watched it, she didnt really question him at all. When he started saying what he thought about gays all she said was I dont think we should talk about it in here. I actually think she was trying to shut him up to save him from himself.

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I believe you, but that's not the way it was presented in the article I read.
I don't watch many "Reality Shows". I've learned that it's a very well managed reality most of the time.
One thing is an absolute, controversy can help with the ratings.

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Originally Posted by imp

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Originally Posted by imp

Its alot easier to be gay now now more than any other time in history as so many role models and celebrities are gay.

There are those that are arguably born gay and those that make that choice due to the influences around them or because they choose too.

Whether anyone thinks its wrong or not its not going to change anything.

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Maybe the fact that people are more open about their sexuality these days, yet still get looked at as freaks, just highlights how bad it was for people in the past.

Whoever said they "chose" to be gay?

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Do you believe they chose to be gay or were born gay fenster?

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I've never heard a gay person say they chose to be gay.

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I don't know if they would tell you the truth if they did choose. Think about it.
It would be a pretty stupid choice if they chose to be gay.
They are thought of as freaks.
They are called names.
They are laughed at.
They are avoided.
They are disowned and tossed out of the house, sometimes.
They are beat up and killed, sometimes.
They all or almost all lead a double life at one time or another.
Anyone who thinks that gays choose to be gay are wrong in my opinion.
It would probably be better to say that 95% only have one choice they can live with.

Everyone can be as gay as they want to, as long as they don't insist that I support it. I can accept it but I'll never fully understand it or support it.

Homosexuality exists in the animal kingdom too. That's about all you need to know on whether people choose to be gay or not. I doubt hedgehogs and dragonflies etc (yes there are gay hedgehogs and dragonflies) have well developed reasoning capabilities to decide their sexual orientation. Its clearly with you from birth in some shape or form.

And whats more, the world has a huge over population problem which is only going to worsen in the future. At least gay people aren't spawning 11 children like Holyfield has. The more gay the better is what the planet Earth would say if it had a voice.

Whaddya talkin' about?! Holyfield's always been f*<ked in the head. It ain't about brain damage, he was saying f*<ked-up $#!t over 20 years ago...

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Originally Posted by imp

Its alot easier to be gay now now more than any other time in history as so many role models and celebrities are gay.

There are those that are arguably born gay and those that make that choice due to the influences around them or because they choose too.

Whether anyone thinks its wrong or not its not going to change anything.

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You should probably study history before you make claims like that. Nobody gave shit about homosexuality in the old bath house days. Ceasars had statues built of their lovers. Greeks named cities after their lovers. The Japanese used to not differentiate between sexes at all. If a traveler stayed at your place you probably banged, they didn't care. You can see dude on dude in tantra, carved in hieroglyphs etcetera. Hate wasn't always taught about sexual preference.

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Originally Posted by imp

Its alot easier to be gay now now more than any other time in history as so many role models and celebrities are gay.

There are those that are arguably born gay and those that make that choice due to the influences around them or because they choose too.

Whether anyone thinks its wrong or not its not going to change anything.

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You should probably study history before you make claims like that. Nobody gave shit about homosexuality in the old bath house days. Ceasars had statues built of their lovers. Greeks named cities after their lovers. The Japanese used to not differentiate between sexes at all. If a traveler stayed at your place you probably banged, they didn't care. You can see dude on dude in tantra, carved in hieroglyphs etcetera. Hate wasn't always taught about sexual preference.

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So its okay then ronnie?

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Homosexuality exists in the animal kingdom too. That's about all you need to know on whether people choose to be gay or not. I doubt hedgehogs and dragonflies etc (yes there are gay hedgehogs and dragonflies) have well developed reasoning capabilities to decide their sexual orientation. Its clearly with you from birth in some shape or form.

And whats more, the world has a huge over population problem which is only going to worsen in the future. At least gay people aren't spawning 11 children like Holyfield has. The more gay the better is what the planet Earth would say if it had a voice.

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What on earth has the animal kingdom got to do with it?!

We are humans.

If the earth had a voice it wouldnt be saying more gays as the ability to populate the earth would stop.

And lets not get started on the many diseases that have or may not have been spread through certain acts.

Theres even two men that bring up children nowadays, surely the child will be influenced by that.

NVSemin is gay according to Walrus. Did you guys hear that to ?

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Originally Posted by imp

Its alot easier to be gay now now more than any other time in history as so many role models and celebrities are gay.

There are those that are arguably born gay and those that make that choice due to the influences around them or because they choose too.

Whether anyone thinks its wrong or not its not going to change anything.

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You should probably study history before you make claims like that. Nobody gave shit about homosexuality in the old bath house days. Ceasars had statues built of their lovers. Greeks named cities after their lovers. The Japanese used to not differentiate between sexes at all. If a traveler stayed at your place you probably banged, they didn't care. You can see dude on dude in tantra, carved in hieroglyphs etcetera. Hate wasn't always taught about sexual preference.

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So its okay then ronnie?

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A mate of mine who was in the British army said in Iraq (I think, some middle east country anyway) that men comsidered women for babies and men for pleasure;D

They also scrape shit of their ass with their bare hand and use the other for shaking hands;D

Humans are animals, even a devout creationist wouldn't make qualms about that surely? We don't choose to be most things we are just like any other creature. Why would the earth want us to populate further if it were somehow a sentient thing? Don't have sex with men if you're worried about all the stds that are exclusive to gays, though I'm not aware of any myself.

I do agree gay men shouldn't raise children though:-X, but what do you think about lesbian couples who choose to? It's priceless that most of the religious twits practically disregard gay women as if that's another issue:rolleyes: God is fine with them I suppose?

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Humans are animals, even a devout creationist wouldn't make qualms about that surely? We don't choose to be most things we are just like any other creature. Why would the earth want us to populate further if it were somehow a sentient thing? Don't have sex with men if you're worried about all the stds that are exclusive to gays, though I'm not aware of any myself.

I do agree gay men shouldn't raise children though:-X, but what do you think about lesbian couples who choose to? It's priceless that most of the religious twits practically disregard gay women as if that's another issue:rolleyes: God is fine with them I suppose?

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You might say that gay men shouldnt raise children but you are in the very small minority.

Its a shame because i agree with that and the same goes for two lesbians as well.

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I dont think any person will say they chose to be gay.
They would probably say they always had feelings or urges to go that way.
Lets take someone like elton john who used to be married or whatever, perhaps he would say he suppressed those feelings during marriage or he might have felt completely straight.

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Have you ever knocked one out looking at a man? If not you're not gay. Simple.

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I havent yet fenster and dont intend to, but say ten years in the future someone does CHOOSE to...what does that make a person.?

There's over 200 million orphans in the world yet people think a same sex couple raising a child is wrong. Madness.

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Homosexuality exists in the animal kingdom too. That's about all you need to know on whether people choose to be gay or not. I doubt hedgehogs and dragonflies etc (yes there are gay hedgehogs and dragonflies) have well developed reasoning capabilities to decide their sexual orientation. Its clearly with you from birth in some shape or form.

And whats more, the world has a huge over population problem which is only going to worsen in the future. At least gay people aren't spawning 11 children like Holyfield has. The more gay the better is what the planet Earth would say if it had a voice.

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What on earth has the animal kingdom got to do with it?!

We are humans.

If the earth had a voice it wouldnt be saying more gays as the ability to populate the earth would stop.

And lets not get started on the many diseases that have or may not have been spread through certain acts.

Theres even two men that bring up children nowadays, surely the child will be influenced by that.

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You're assuming that Human population helps the planet? ???
If the Earth had a voice? It'd tell us to slow the fuck down with the breeding... :rolleyes:
Never heard of the Bubonic plague?

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There's over 200 million orphans in the world yet people think a same sex couple raising a child is wrong. Madness.

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Yea I hear that, it's a highly idealistic opinion I guess. I think children shouldn't grow up without a mother figure, and that men are inherently inferior parents, so I make that distinction as well however unpopular it is. Don't have any problem with two women adopting even if there were no true orphans in the world.

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But, its not natural for a man to sleep with another man no matter what anyones opinion be in evanders eyes.
Imagine your young son or daughter accidently seeing a couple of dudes snogging in the park or whatever i dont think its fair to lie to them and say that its natural.

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I agree it's not natural, but what is natural about heterosexual relationships? Is it natural to wear a condom? No, sex is supposed to be procreation. Having sex for any other reason than trying to make a child isn't natural. Is shooting a load on a chick's tits, in her mouth or bum, is that natural? Where do you see that in nature? Where do you see bondage, S&M, roleplaying, ect in nature? In nature, the male drops his load and takes off most often. Marriage itself is very unnatural, which I guess is why it mostly doesn't work out.

People say "it's not natural" about homosexuals like it's supposed to be something damning, that it justifies the hate against them. But what even about our everyday lives is natural? We're supposed to be hunter/gatherers. Being able to go to the fridge/grocery store/drive thru whenever we're hungry is unnatural (which is why there are so many fat motherfuckers). Sitting down all day is unnatural.

What about us even as a species is natural?

Being gay is not normal imo. If it was, then there would be no reproduction. Humans were made to procreate. If everyone was gay, humans wouldve died off a long time ago.

I have no issues with gay people, I just dont think it is normal. And no it cant be fixed.

Being gay doesn't prevent you from procreating. Over 150,000 people die everyday. There's around 7 billion people on Earth.

Have you noticed that this, essentially none boxing, thread is getting more posts than any other.
What I'm saying is that if you have a "reality show", and you want to ensure good ratings, throw in something controversial that everyone has a strong opinion about.
This time it did some good, I don't think anyone's mind has been changed, but maybe someone read a different point of view that, at least, made sense to them.

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But, its not natural for a man to sleep with another man no matter what anyones opinion be in evanders eyes.
Imagine your young son or daughter accidently seeing a couple of dudes snogging in the park or whatever i dont think its fair to lie to them and say that its natural.

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I agree it's not natural, but what is natural about heterosexual relationships? Is it natural to wear a condom? No, sex is supposed to be procreation. Having sex for any other reason than trying to make a child isn't natural. Is shooting a load on a chick's tits, in her mouth or bum, is that natural? Where do you see that in nature? Where do you see bondage, S&M, roleplaying, ect in nature? In nature, the male drops his load and takes off most often. Marriage itself is very unnatural, which I guess is why it mostly doesn't work out.

People say "it's not natural" about homosexuals like it's supposed to be something damning, that it justifies the hate against them. But what even about our everyday lives is natural? We're supposed to be hunter/gatherers. Being able to go to the fridge/grocery store/drive thru whenever we're hungry is unnatural (which is why there are so many fat motherfuckers). Sitting down all day is unnatural.

What about us even as a species is natural?

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Wearing a condom is not natural but is essential if you dont want catch such fatal diseases like hiv.

Theres lots of ways to catch stds but using a condom is common sense.

How long is a piece of string? How deep do you want to go with this natural stuff beanflicker?

Lets stay on topic and not accuse those of being hateful just because they dont find putting their penise in another mans anus..natural.

You mentioned obesity which i agree with and its not natural for us a humans to be getting fatter and fatter but eating too many donuts is a bit different from eating other types of anatomy.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Being gay doesn't prevent you from procreating. Over 150,000 people die everyday. There's around 7 billion people on Earth.

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So its natural to use medical technology to produce children?

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How long is a piece of string? How deep do you want to go with this natural stuff beanflicker?

Lets stay on topic and not accuse those of being hateful just because they dont find putting their penise in another mans anus..natural.

You mentioned obesity which i agree with and its not natural for us a humans to be getting fatter and fatter but eating too many donuts is a bit different from eating other types of anatomy.

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I didn't accuse anyone of being hateful because they don't find homosexuality natural. The first thing I said in reply to your post was that I agree that homosexuality is not natural.

My point is that whether homosexuality is "natural" or not is irrelevant because there's basically nothing about our culture and the way we live anymore that's natural.

These are just pointless arguments. "Well homosexuality doesn't prolong the species". Well we have too many people on the planet as it is. We need less people making babies. And if that's the reason to hate gays, that they don't prolong the species, than why not hate people who jerk off, or people who are swore into celibacy, or people who just can't get laid?

The world is changing, attitudes are changing, and this nonsense that Holyfield and like-minded people are spouting is getting left in the dust.

It's not just about having an opinion. Holyfield and others who think that homosexuality is something that can (or should) be cured are just retarded, plain and simple.

We left "natural" thousands of years ago. I don't know why people bring up this "natural" nonsense.

"Natural" is a word used to sell products. It has no other relevance or practical applications in our current culture, unless you live in a tribe in the rain forrest somewhere.

Holyfield is one of my heroes & I felt let down by this..

I'd rather talk about his tremendous boxing achievements not his myopic view of the world.

You should probably study history before you make claims like that. Nobody gave shit about homosexuality in the old bath house days. Ceasars had statues built of their lovers. Greeks named cities after their lovers. The Japanese used to not differentiate between sexes at all. If a traveler stayed at your place you probably banged, they didn't care. You can see dude on dude in tantra, carved in hieroglyphs etcetera. Hate wasn't always taught about sexual preference.[/QUOTE]

So its okay then ronnie?[/QUOTE]

Of course it is. Around 10 percent of the population is gay or has tendencies. If you want to be religious about it either god intended for them to be gay or he's f'n incompetent.

Gay people should be afforded all rights straight people are allowed. We have a long history of bigotry and when we stop hating one group we move on to another(Irish, African, Chinese, etcetera) and time after time when we look back we realize we were wrong for hating. It's redundant and obvious. And you can't say I don't hate them but they don't deserve .... that's hate.

In many states you can still legally be fired for being gay, you can be evicted for being gay, you can be denied medical coverage for being gay. It's hate, it's ignorant and it's unacceptable.

Here's some facts about being gay. Gay people raise communities. It's studied and proven. Local businesses prosper, property values go up. Why you ask, because the average gay person is better educated and more successful than the average straight person.

As for the raising children, why the funk not. Are people worried that there will be more children more successful than them? Because, yes, you guessed it children raised by gay parents are on average more educated and more successful than children raised by straight parents. And it's not like they're going to turn those kids gay.

I can tell you for a fact that no person could have swayed my sexuality. I like women. I've felt it my whole life there was never a choice. If anyone thinks it's a choice the harbor homosexual tendencies. And that's fine too.

Fuck hate, and fuck anyone who doesn't speak out against hate

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There's over 200 million orphans in the world yet people think a same sex couple raising a child is wrong. Madness.

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Of course it's wrong and it's so selfish for a gay couple to raise kids. What will they learn and what about all the shit they would have to go through at school getting teased by other kids...

That's just wrong dude... if two fudgepackers want to live as a couple, fine, but dont bring in innocent kids into that dirty lifestyle.

Of course it's wrong and it's so selfish for a gay couple to raise kids. What will they learn and what about all the shit they would have to go through at school getting teased by other kids...

That's just wrong dude... if two fudgepackers want to live as a couple, fine, but dont bring in innocent kids into that dirty lifestyle.[/QUOTE]


You should learn about something, anything, before you speak. Gay couple raise children that on average are better educated and more successful than straight couples.

But I asssume you views here are an act. I highly doubt you are as ignorant as you're portrayal

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Originally Posted by Fenster

There's over 200 million orphans in the world yet people think a same sex couple raising a child is wrong. Madness.

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Of course it's wrong and it's so selfish for a gay couple to raise kids. What will they learn and what about all the shit they would have to go through at school getting teased by other kids...

That's just wrong dude... if two fudgepackers want to live as a couple, fine, but dont bring in innocent kids into that dirty lifestyle.

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Selfish? Because you don't like gays you'd rather millions of children be left to rot instead of being raised, educated and provided for by people that love them?

Dirty lifestyle? Says a 30-year-old man that allegedly has a fiance but post threads like this - Eating The Ass & Anal Sex http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...-anal-sex.html

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http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...-thursday.html

What a wonderful role model a "normal" person like you would make.

Lol

This is all too funny.


Ronnie, Lets not compare or a put gay parents on a pedestal compared to straight couples.
Im sure theres plenty of research out there saying this and as we know the kids upbringing is the most important rather than being left on the street but its not the ideal situation.

Put it this way, you die and leave behind two children. Two identical couples in everyway but one couple are two men.
Which couple would you want your son or daughter to be raised?

(Dont use the easy answer "as long as my child is brought up in love it doesnt matter, heal the world, peace on earth blah blah blah")

Get real. The ideal couple is the man and the woman.
The secondary will and should always be the gay couple.

If Holyfield really does take what the Bible says seriously then he'll know he's already going to burn in hell for all eternity on multiple counts.

He's cut the sides of his hair which is verboten in the Bible. He's touched leather boxing gloves so he's fucked on the touching carcasses/skins count. He's definitely worn natural/manmade fibre blends so fucked again. I'm sure he's eaten shellfigh too, off to hell for that one. Has he been divorced? I'm sure he has. And you're not allowed to even be a Christian if you have crushed testicles. Technically Holyfield, or Evan Fields, has crushed testicles or hypogonadism which was the reason he said he was taking steroids. And steroids shrink your balls anyway so he's probably fucked just on that count. He's known to have been a big gambler too, the Bible isn't keen on gambling either.



“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."


And then there's all the stuff about rich men and giving all their money away to get to heaven but luckily for Holyfield he's taken care of that part already.