Terry Norris " Mayweather with all that slapping and running "

Norris couldn't hit?! 47 wins, 31 KOs.

Try tellin' Donald Curry or John The Beast Mugabi or Meldrick Taylor that Terry Norris wasn't a power puncher!

Not many guys get carried out on stretchers.

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Not that different, both excellent smaller fighters and exceptional hand speed.

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They ain't even close man, come on. Besides being black, having fast hands and boxing for a living.

You saying Terry Norris would be able to hit Mayweather like he could Meldrick Taylor? Meldrick was a fast dude who could box, but being from Philly he would just go out swinging and end up eating punches.

Norris had legit power. He was no Julian Jackson, but he wasn't a Pernell Whitaker either.

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Norris couldn't hit?! 47 wins, 31 KOs.

Try tellin' Donald Curry or John The Beast Mugabi or Meldrick Taylor that Terry Norris wasn't a power puncher!

Not many guys get carried out on stretchers.

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This is pretty simple to understand so I'm not sure why I'm saying it for a 3rd time. 55% KO rate. Power is only relevant to its effect on the fight. Similar to it not mattering if you have a bad chin if you don't get hit, it doesn't matter that you have great power if you don't set it up. So again, the fact is 55% KO. His speed defined him FAR more than his power

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here's some of the top guys:

Terry norris’ era. Circa 1991 to mid-1990s.
lightweight
miguel angel gonzalez
rafael ruelas
jorge paez
sharmba mitchell
joe gamache
oscar de la hoya
stevie johnston
shane mosley

light-welter
julio cesar chavez
pernell whitaker
hector camacho
kostya tszyu
frankie randall
charles murray
greg haugen

welter
james buddy mcgirt
meldrick taylor
simon brown
felix tito trinidad
maurice blocker
yory boy campas
ike quartey
oba carr

light-middle
terry norris
vinny pazienza
john david jackson
verno philips
vincent pettway
julio cesar vasquez
bronco mccart

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where the fuck is aaron pryor??????????? Wtf?????????????????????????????

In that era? Retired and nursing a detached retina lol. Pryor was washed up shortly after the Arguello fights in the mid 80's...

I'd also like to point out that judging a persons power by KOs/wins is cheating the truth to fit your needs.

Your power has the opportunity to effect your wins and your losses. All the times your power didn't have an effect should count just like all the times it did have an effect.

I mean if you're going to pick and choose why not just look at the KO fights? 31 times he got the KO 100% of the time.

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There will be some more old boxers from back in whatever golden era bringing up so more stories on how they would whop floyd.

This time though it will be a few more weight classes higher and the boxer had blown all his money.

Alot of it is jealousy.
Has to be. The highest paid sports star on earth just made the next mexican sensation in a higher weight class look like an old sparring partner..

You know what back when i was around 29 years old and 210lbs i would whop floyd..yea, he would just be running and ducking with his stupid shoulder roll and his non accurate punching and ineffective check hooks..yea, he would be so easy!

Utter bollocks.

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And Norris giving his earned opine is different from Mayweather popping off about Robinson or Ali how? Or a Mayweather who literally just carried a Baldo ffs and heard the boos telling Leonard to his face 'you wouldn't even be in the top 10 of my era'...an utter bullshit thing to say. Norris has absolutely nothing to be 'jealous' of in a Mayweather and give Floyd enough time of beating up bebe mamas and tax issues, he'll do well to not blow his money also. Every generation will compare to past or present, its done in all sports. As for Alvarez, I'll spot you the Mexican part...now sensation? Eh.

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Come on spicoli,

Canelo was being built up as the next supastar and many people inc writers were saying that floyd was going to duck him!

Yep, i see what your saying about each era always has something to say about another era and its just banter. I understand that.

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I'm with ya bruv in regards to the fight happening. It was good to see take place and props to Floyd and Alvarez going in. But truth once it was signed much of the talk was how Canelo was too green, young etc. And during Trout you saw hints of how that approach would backfire with a masterclass like Mayweather. He missed a massive chance to show the pressure and closure needed to compete with a Mayweather I think.

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Not that different, both excellent smaller fighters and exceptional hand speed.

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They ain't even close man, come on. Besides being black, having fast hands and boxing for a living.

You saying Terry Norris would be able to hit Mayweather like he could Meldrick Taylor? Meldrick was a fast dude who could box, but being from Philly he would just go out swinging and end up eating punches.

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Zab Judah matched Mayweathers handspeed for a few. A one trick pony Mosley had him reeling. Norris was a very physical sort and a seriosuly underrated boxer when he resisted. Still ranked a "p4p" best, Taylor set out to box like the wind that night..all changed when Norris matched his renowned speed and it ended in the power. You can box all you want until a guy kicks in the front door on you.

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I truly believe that Norris would have overwhelmed floyd with his furious combinations. I dont think floyd's bitch style of fighting would work on norris.. uh uh

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Bitch style?
YDKSABB

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Not a bitch literally like you but a safety first style I should say..

Ydksab? Lol that belongs on esb where little boys like u fit right in..

Ur boxing knowledge is extremely low adam unless u can prove me wrong.

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So only people with a high amount of boxing knowledge could possibly prove you wrong? ??? Haha... Don't flatter yourself! :rolleyes:

Again, if you can't appreciate a technical style of boxing enough that you have to refer to it as 'bitch' then YDKSABB.
(Hope this helps)

'Literally' would suggest that I am a member of the canine species, it's not surprising to know that I am speaking to somebody that apparently thinks he is talking to a literate dog that is able to type on an iPhone, despite his lack of opposable thumbs, seeing as how you constantly show us that you are living in a fantasy world.

You do know that NOBODY here buys the contrived alpha persona, right? Most just see you as a sad little man :-\

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I truly believe that Norris would have overwhelmed floyd with his furious combinations. I dont think floyd's bitch style of fighting would work on norris.. uh uh

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Bitch style?
YDKSABB

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Not a bitch literally like you but a safety first style I should say..

Ydksab? Lol that belongs on esb where little boys like u fit right in..

Ur boxing knowledge is extremely low adam unless u can prove me wrong.

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So only people with a high amount of boxing knowledge could possibly prove you wrong? ??? Haha... Don't flatter yourself! :rolleyes:

Again, if you can't appreciate a technical style of boxing enough that you have to refer to it as 'bitch' then YDKSABB.
(Hope this helps)

'Literally' would suggest that I am a member of the canine species, it's not surprising to know that I am speaking to somebody that apparently thinks he is talking to a literate dog that is able to type on an iPhone, despite his lack of opposable thumbs, seeing as how you constantly show us that you are living in a fantasy world.

You do know that NOBODY here buys the contrived alpha persona, right? Most just see you as a sad little man :-\

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U sound like salty a little girl right now with your little emoticons lol.. It dont take much for you to get butt hurt huh. u need to take down your avatar cuz u look like Andruw golota on crack. U ugly man .

I stand by what I said. You dont know shit about Boxing. :D

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where the fuck is aaron pryor??????????? Wtf?????????????????????????????

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Pryor?

He's way back in the early 80s, 10 years earlier than Norris' era.

Are you free-basing again?! Or maybe suffering an acid flashback?

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Zab Judah matched Mayweathers handspeed for a few. A one trick pony Mosley had him reeling. Norris was a very physical sort and a seriosuly underrated boxer when he resisted. Still ranked a "p4p" best, Taylor set out to box like the wind that night..all changed when Norris matched his renowned speed and it ended in the power. You can box all you want until a guy kicks in the front door on you.

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Come on. Mosley landed what, 2 or 3 real good punches in the first or second round? Rocked Floyd good, then Floyd made the adjustments and shut him out for the rest of the fight. Did Zab land anything meaningful? Come on, you're grasping at straws here.

You can say Terry Norris beats Floyd at 154. I have no problem with anyone thinking that, because despite his MANY flaws, Terry was a dangerous motherfucker in there.

But don't tell me you think that because of what Terry did to a washed up MELDRICK TAYLOR. Meldrick and Mayweather are completely different animals. Completely different styles. Meldrick was slick, but not in a Mayweather kind of way.

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Meldrick was slick, but not in a Mayweather kind of way.

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Yeah, you're right, Meldrick was a far superior combination puncher, not a 1-off pot-shot guy like Floyd.

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I truly believe that Norris would have overwhelmed floyd with his furious combinations. I dont think floyd's bitch style of fighting would work on norris.. uh uh

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Bitch style?
YDKSABB

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Not a bitch literally like you but a safety first style I should say..

Ydksab? Lol that belongs on esb where little boys like u fit right in..

Ur boxing knowledge is extremely low adam unless u can prove me wrong.

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So only people with a high amount of boxing knowledge could possibly prove you wrong? ??? Haha... Don't flatter yourself! :rolleyes:

Again, if you can't appreciate a technical style of boxing enough that you have to refer to it as 'bitch' then YDKSABB.
(Hope this helps)

'Literally' would suggest that I am a member of the canine species, it's not surprising to know that I am speaking to somebody that apparently thinks he is talking to a literate dog that is able to type on an iPhone, despite his lack of opposable thumbs, seeing as how you constantly show us that you are living in a fantasy world.

You do know that NOBODY here buys the contrived alpha persona, right? Most just see you as a sad little man :-\

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U sound like salty a little girl right now with your little emoticons lol.. It dont take much for you to get butt hurt huh. u need to take down your avatar cuz u look like Andruw golota on crack. U ugly man .

I stand by what I said. You dont know shit about Boxing. :D

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With the greatest of respect , if AdamGB's avatar makes him look like Andrew Golota on crack .
Then from your avatar we can deduce that you are a right tit ? ( or left tit )

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Yeah, you're right, Meldrick was a far superior combination puncher, not a 1-off pot-shot guy like Floyd.

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Yeah and as a result he got hit a lot more and sounds like he has 20 pieces of Hubba Bubba in his mouth when he talks.

You gotta know when to punch and when not to punch, Meldrick obviously didn't have that knowledge.

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Yeah, you're right, Meldrick was a far superior combination puncher, not a 1-off pot-shot guy like Floyd.

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Yeah and as a result he got hit a lot more and sounds like he has 20 pieces of Hubba Bubba in his mouth when he talks.

You gotta know when to punch and when not to punch, Meldrick obviously didn't have that knowledge.

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Meldrick was a quality boxer and probably had faster hands than Floyd. Yes the big difference between them is that Floyd "runs" more than Taylor stood and took unnecessary punishment. Terry still beats Floyd.

People need to quit telling other people they don't know shit about boxing. After all we are all savants on our keyboards and its by sheer bad luck and birth date and place that we were and are not in the corners or training camps of the greats.

Having said that, some people who make or have made a living in the sport are as inept at times as we are.

Terry Norris fought in a completely different era then this one and yet to me at 55 it feels like just yesterday. The idea of "risk and reward" then compared to now diametrically oppose each other philosophically.

Even with that, the whole idea of the sport is based around the maxim of hitting and not getting hit. Saying Floyd runs and slaps is simply a stupid, ignorant boxing observation. It makes little difference to me who said it. If everyone fought like Norris albeit showing pugilistic brilliance at times we would not even need a ring. We could use a throw rug.

Wish I could slap and run and make the money Floyd does.
Norris is pissed because Floyd makes it look soooo easy. Come to think of it, that's what pisses me off about Floyd too.

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I truly believe that Norris would have overwhelmed floyd with his furious combinations. I dont think floyd's bitch style of fighting would work on norris.. uh uh

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Bitch style?
YDKSABB

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Not a bitch literally like you but a safety first style I should say..

Ydksab? Lol that belongs on esb where little boys like u fit right in..

Ur boxing knowledge is extremely low adam unless u can prove me wrong.

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So only people with a high amount of boxing knowledge could possibly prove you wrong? ??? Haha... Don't flatter yourself! :rolleyes:

Again, if you can't appreciate a technical style of boxing enough that you have to refer to it as 'bitch' then YDKSABB.
(Hope this helps)

'Literally' would suggest that I am a member of the canine species, it's not surprising to know that I am speaking to somebody that apparently thinks he is talking to a literate dog that is able to type on an iPhone, despite his lack of opposable thumbs, seeing as how you constantly show us that you are living in a fantasy world.

You do know that NOBODY here buys the contrived alpha persona, right? Most just see you as a sad little man :-\

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U sound like salty a little girl right now with your little emoticons lol.. It dont take much for you to get butt hurt huh. u need to take down your avatar cuz u look like Andruw golota on crack. U ugly man .

I stand by what I said. You dont know shit about Boxing. :D

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What's a salty little girl? ??? Sounds like something a pedophile would say... Are you really so stupid that you'd criticise 'little emoticons' and then end your own fucking post with a fucking EMOTICON?! :vd:

Sorry if my avatar upsets you, not sure I follow what you were going for with the 'Andruw' Golota thing, but well done for trying. Try again when you're not a 165lb skid mark.

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People need to quit telling other people they don't know shit about boxing. After all we are all savants on our keyboards and its by sheer bad luck and birth date and place that we were and are not in the corners or training camps of the greats.

Having said that, some people who make or have made a living in the sport are as inept at times as we are.

Terry Norris fought in a completely different era then this one and yet to me at 55 it feels like just yesterday. The idea of "risk and reward" then compared to now diametrically oppose each other philosophically.

Even with that, the whole idea of the sport is based around the maxim of hitting and not getting hit. Saying Floyd runs and slaps is simply a stupid, ignorant boxing observation. It makes little difference to me who said it. If everyone fought like Norris albeit showing pugilistic brilliance at times we would not even need a ring. We could use a throw rug.

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Meldrick was a quality boxer and probably had faster hands than Floyd. Yes the big difference between them is that Floyd "runs" more than Taylor stood and took unnecessary punishment. Terry still beats Floyd.

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Meldrick might have been a faster combo puncher, but Floyd was quicker with the one shot, and more importantly Floyd was a lot more accurate.

Meldrick wasn't even in Floyd's league in his prime, let alone when he fought Terry Norris.

But hey, I'm not saying Terry Norris couldn't beat Floyd at 154, I'm not even saying he couldn't knock Floyd out. But if you're telling me that he's going to do to Floyd what he did to Meldrick, just blast him out of there like a bum, you're nuts!

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People need to quit telling other people they don't know shit about boxing. After all we are all savants on our keyboards and its by sheer bad luck and birth date and place that we were and are not in the corners or training camps of the greats.

Having said that, some people who make or have made a living in the sport are as inept at times as we are.

Terry Norris fought in a completely different era then this one and yet to me at 55 it feels like just yesterday. The idea of "risk and reward" then compared to now diametrically oppose each other philosophically.

Even with that, the whole idea of the sport is based around the maxim of hitting and not getting hit. Saying Floyd runs and slaps is simply a stupid, ignorant boxing observation. It makes little difference to me who said it. If everyone fought like Norris albeit showing pugilistic brilliance at times we would not even need a ring. We could use a throw rug.

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Zab Judah matched Mayweathers handspeed for a few. A one trick pony Mosley had him reeling. Norris was a very physical sort and a seriosuly underrated boxer when he resisted. Still ranked a "p4p" best, Taylor set out to box like the wind that night..all changed when Norris matched his renowned speed and it ended in the power. You can box all you want until a guy kicks in the front door on you.

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Come on. Mosley landed what, 2 or 3 real good punches in the first or second round? Rocked Floyd good, then Floyd made the adjustments and shut him out for the rest of the fight. Did Zab land anything meaningful? Come on, you're grasping at straws here.

You can say Terry Norris beats Floyd at 154. I have no problem with anyone thinking that, because despite his MANY flaws, Terry was a dangerous motherfucker in there.

But don't tell me you think that because of what Terry did to a washed up MELDRICK TAYLOR. Meldrick and Mayweather are completely different animals. Completely different styles. Meldrick was slick, but not in a Mayweather kind of way.

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The point was that Floyd is not impervious to fast hands and when you consider natural size, speed and power of Norris..mayweather has never faced anything close to that and stayed dry. Frankly Mosley fought a dumb fight after his brief window and he went out to actually try to box with Floyd. He adjusted too, away from any sliver of a chance.

The comparison was to pure speed and closing down an all time fast handed guy and chopping down ring real estate. Norris had some serious speed and that fight flipped on its head with Taylor having his gameplan stripped away in 2nd. And it was Norris going down in weight. Made me think of Norris boxing class round 1 vs Julian Jackson..then the power came, in brutal fashion. Clearly Taylor had not the master footwork or backseat boxing mentality of Mayweather, but the totally washed up and shot talk gets thrown around way too easily in hindsight today. Taylor wore scars from Chavez but he wasn't so washed up that he couldn't rise a division, shut out a respectable champion and beat a top contender going into Norris fight. Both were ranked p4p top fighters in the world for whatever thats worth and Taylor was numero uno in his division! That fight was a throw back type match and a shot in the arm for the sport.

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Zab Judah matched Mayweathers handspeed for a few. A one trick pony Mosley had him reeling. Norris was a very physical sort and a seriosuly underrated boxer when he resisted. Still ranked a "p4p" best, Taylor set out to box like the wind that night..all changed when Norris matched his renowned speed and it ended in the power. You can box all you want until a guy kicks in the front door on you.

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Come on. Mosley landed what, 2 or 3 real good punches in the first or second round? Rocked Floyd good, then Floyd made the adjustments and shut him out for the rest of the fight. Did Zab land anything meaningful? Come on, you're grasping at straws here.

You can say Terry Norris beats Floyd at 154. I have no problem with anyone thinking that, because despite his MANY flaws, Terry was a dangerous motherfucker in there.

But don't tell me you think that because of what Terry did to a washed up MELDRICK TAYLOR. Meldrick and Mayweather are completely different animals. Completely different styles. Meldrick was slick, but not in a Mayweather kind of way.

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The point was that Floyd is not impervious to fast hands and when you consider natural size, speed and power of Norris..mayweather has never faced anything close to that and stayed dry. Frankly Mosley fought a dumb fight after his brief window and he went out to actually try to box with Floyd. He adjusted too, away from any sliver of a chance.

The comparison was to pure speed and closing down an all time fast handed guy and chopping down ring real estate. Norris had some serious speed and that fight flipped on its head with Taylor having his gameplan stripped away in 2nd. And it was Norris going down in weight. Made me think of Norris boxing class round 1 vs Julian Jackson..then the power came, in brutal fashion. Clearly Taylor had not the master footwork or backseat boxing mentality of Mayweather, but the totally washed up and shot talk gets thrown around way too easily in hindsight today. Taylor wore scars from Chavez but he wasn't so washed up that he couldn't rise a division, shut out a respectable champion and beat a top contender going into Norris fight. Both were ranked p4p top fighters in the world for whatever thats worth and Taylor was numero uno in his division! That fight was a throw back type match and a shot in the arm for the sport.

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Why are we using the Floyd that fought Shane as an example? Floyd in his early days had as good a foot movement as any fighter i have seen. Terry was one bad dude...but he hardly was tight on his defense. Mayweather is incredibly accurate and has tremendous movement. Norris never fought anyone who was as slick, smart, and defensively sound as Floyd. Of course ANY fighter can get caught with a big shot...Norris certainly did. Also, using the "slap and running" line is complete bs. Maybe...just maybe...that is why Mayweather has still has facilities but a fighter like Terry can't talk properly because of the punishment he took.

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Meldrick was a quality boxer and probably had faster hands than Floyd. Yes the big difference between them is that Floyd "runs" more than Taylor stood and took unnecessary punishment. Terry still beats Floyd.

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Meldrick might have been a faster combo puncher, but Floyd was quicker with the one shot, and more importantly Floyd was a lot more accurate.

Meldrick wasn't even in Floyd's league in his prime, let alone when he fought Terry Norris.

But hey, I'm not saying Terry Norris couldn't beat Floyd at 154, I'm not even saying he couldn't knock Floyd out. But if you're telling me that he's going to do to Floyd what he did to Meldrick, just blast him out of there like a bum, you're nuts!

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You really cannot be objective when it comes to Floyd, when people point out weaknesees you do not accept them. OK, Terry may not have blasted out Floyd early but he would more than likely win.

I just watched his second disqualification against Santana? (forgot his name) and Norris was mortified he was disqualified again. He did have a tendandcy to self destruct at times. So maybe Floyd wins via a disqualification. :)

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Zab Judah matched Mayweathers handspeed for a few. A one trick pony Mosley had him reeling. Norris was a very physical sort and a seriosuly underrated boxer when he resisted. Still ranked a "p4p" best, Taylor set out to box like the wind that night..all changed when Norris matched his renowned speed and it ended in the power. You can box all you want until a guy kicks in the front door on you.

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Come on. Mosley landed what, 2 or 3 real good punches in the first or second round? Rocked Floyd good, then Floyd made the adjustments and shut him out for the rest of the fight. Did Zab land anything meaningful? Come on, you're grasping at straws here.

You can say Terry Norris beats Floyd at 154. I have no problem with anyone thinking that, because despite his MANY flaws, Terry was a dangerous motherfucker in there.

But don't tell me you think that because of what Terry did to a washed up MELDRICK TAYLOR. Meldrick and Mayweather are completely different animals. Completely different styles. Meldrick was slick, but not in a Mayweather kind of way.

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The point was that Floyd is not impervious to fast hands and when you consider natural size, speed and power of Norris..mayweather has never faced anything close to that and stayed dry. Frankly Mosley fought a dumb fight after his brief window and he went out to actually try to box with Floyd. He adjusted too, away from any sliver of a chance.

The comparison was to pure speed and closing down an all time fast handed guy and chopping down ring real estate. Norris had some serious speed and that fight flipped on its head with Taylor having his gameplan stripped away in 2nd. And it was Norris going down in weight. Made me think of Norris boxing class round 1 vs Julian Jackson..then the power came, in brutal fashion. Clearly Taylor had not the master footwork or backseat boxing mentality of Mayweather, but the totally washed up and shot talk gets thrown around way too easily in hindsight today. Taylor wore scars from Chavez but he wasn't so washed up that he couldn't rise a division, shut out a respectable champion and beat a top contender going into Norris fight. Both were ranked p4p top fighters in the world for whatever thats worth and Taylor was numero uno in his division! That fight was a throw back type match and a shot in the arm for the sport.

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Why are we using the Floyd that fought Shane as an example? Floyd in his early days had as good a foot movement as any fighter i have seen. Terry was one bad dude...but he hardly was tight on his defense. Mayweather is incredibly accurate and has tremendous movement. Norris never fought anyone who was as slick, smart, and defensively sound as Floyd. Of course ANY fighter can get caught with a big shot...Norris certainly did. Also, using the "slap and running" line is complete bs. Maybe...just maybe...that is why Mayweather has still has facilities but a fighter like Terry can't talk properly because of the punishment he took.

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Well because when talking speed combined one shot power in hypothetical 150ish a Mosley, Oscar or Judah would have to be the fastest? Absolutley correct, Floyd had the mobility of a cheetah even more in his early days, but he was also a lightweight, a jr welterweight. Not many at all could compose the total slick and defensive of Floyd but likewise, Mayweather has faced nothing like the complete package that Norris brought in natural size, speed and one shot power off boxing ability. Norris aggression could backfire, but he showed he could just as quickly box like a fool the next time out and make adjustments in the heat. Its hypothetical of course. I also think the slap and run shot was a bit cheap and Terry knows the difference. Paul Vaden was literally slap and run and had his purse withheld as a result of that non effort.

moreover it looks like a generation of volume punching athletes and stylists vs. a generation of hardened boxers. Good thing Floyd is a throwback of sorts and doesnt just look to windmill/shoeshine you. The problem i see in this equation is the fact that while everyones saying norris has never seen someone like floyd. Floyd has never seen someone like norris. It goes without saying that the shot mosely landed, the melee from judah, the roughhousing by ortiz and the swarming by castillo, could all happen in the same night against floyd with the way Norris fought. Now its quite possible that Norris could have been dropped repeatedly like corrales because he didnt have the best chin. The thing that makes norris scary in this scenario is that he plain didnt give a damn.... so holding his arm like was done with mosely would have probably gotten floyd body slammed. the drama of the cup and headbutt reactions would have been met with more punches not hugs. Norris was an animal.

Nutritionist/strength and conditioning coaches and modern training benefits would prepare floyd to absorb more punishment that probably most of norris's opponents endured then retaliate. Floyds boxing and ring generalship lands a lot of punches but Floyd hasnt knocked anyone out without suckerpunches since Hatton 7 years ago. So it comes down to the imposing of wills... withought a lot of help from the ref, norris is not going to be deterred by a forearm or elbows. Floyds built to stay fresher through the end of the fight but his offense and defense arent made to handle norris's persistence at the natural weight disparity. I dont think norris can make it through the fight without being DQ'd but it would depend on if floyd was dropped and how he reacted to that. We've never seen floyd go tooth and nail with someone. The ref plays a big part in this one. Floyd has more ways to win but i doubt he'd be the same after the fight unless it ended early.

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moreover it looks like a generation of volume punching athletes and stylists vs. a generation of hardened boxers. Good thing Floyd is a throwback of sorts and doesnt just look to windmill/shoeshine you.

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Interesting observation. Throwback in some ways but not in others.

Floyd indeed has old school skills and veteran tricks, stuff that many other current guys do not have these days. That's why there's currently several comparatively limited fighters holding titles or are top contenders in comparison to say the 80s or 70s.

Unfortunately, Floyd has lacked that old school mentality of fighting the best at their best.
In the last two years, he's been fighting the top challenges, top prime guys like Alvarez and Ortiz and Guerrero. He deserves credit for that especially considering 36 year old Floyd currently isn't as fast as he once was yet he's still outboxing them.

It's really a shame that he didn't fight all those top prime guys there were circa 2002 till 2010. He probably would've beat most of them, but he wouldn't sign to fight them at their best because he might lose, and he wouldn't sign unless he was sure he would win.

Looks like he's trying to make the most of the time left here at the tail-end of his career.

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Zab Judah matched Mayweathers handspeed for a few. A one trick pony Mosley had him reeling. Norris was a very physical sort and a seriosuly underrated boxer when he resisted. Still ranked a "p4p" best, Taylor set out to box like the wind that night..all changed when Norris matched his renowned speed and it ended in the power. You can box all you want until a guy kicks in the front door on you.

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Come on. Mosley landed what, 2 or 3 real good punches in the first or second round? Rocked Floyd good, then Floyd made the adjustments and shut him out for the rest of the fight. Did Zab land anything meaningful? Come on, you're grasping at straws here.

You can say Terry Norris beats Floyd at 154. I have no problem with anyone thinking that, because despite his MANY flaws, Terry was a dangerous motherfucker in there.

But don't tell me you think that because of what Terry did to a washed up MELDRICK TAYLOR. Meldrick and Mayweather are completely different animals. Completely different styles. Meldrick was slick, but not in a Mayweather kind of way.

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The point was that Floyd is not impervious to fast hands and when you consider natural size, speed and power of Norris..mayweather has never faced anything close to that and stayed dry. Frankly Mosley fought a dumb fight after his brief window and he went out to actually try to box with Floyd. He adjusted too, away from any sliver of a chance.

The comparison was to pure speed and closing down an all time fast handed guy and chopping down ring real estate. Norris had some serious speed and that fight flipped on its head with Taylor having his gameplan stripped away in 2nd. And it was Norris going down in weight. Made me think of Norris boxing class round 1 vs Julian Jackson..then the power came, in brutal fashion. Clearly Taylor had not the master footwork or backseat boxing mentality of Mayweather, but the totally washed up and shot talk gets thrown around way too easily in hindsight today. Taylor wore scars from Chavez but he wasn't so washed up that he couldn't rise a division, shut out a respectable champion and beat a top contender going into Norris fight. Both were ranked p4p top fighters in the world for whatever thats worth and Taylor was numero uno in his division! That fight was a throw back type match and a shot in the arm for the sport.

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Why are we using the Floyd that fought Shane as an example? Floyd in his early days had as good a foot movement as any fighter i have seen. Terry was one bad dude...but he hardly was tight on his defense. Mayweather is incredibly accurate and has tremendous movement. Norris never fought anyone who was as slick, smart, and defensively sound as Floyd. Of course ANY fighter can get caught with a big shot...Norris certainly did. Also, using the "slap and running" line is complete bs. Maybe...just maybe...that is why Mayweather has still has facilities but a fighter like Terry can't talk properly because of the punishment he took.

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Well because when talking speed combined one shot power in hypothetical 150ish a Mosley, Oscar or Judah would have to be the fastest? Absolutley correct, Floyd had the mobility of a cheetah even more in his early days, but he was also a lightweight, a jr welterweight. Not many at all could compose the total slick and defensive of Floyd but likewise, Mayweather has faced nothing like the complete package that Norris brought in natural size, speed and one shot power off boxing ability. Norris aggression could backfire, but he showed he could just as quickly box like a fool the next time out and make adjustments in the heat. Its hypothetical of course. I also think the slap and run shot was a bit cheap and Terry knows the difference. Paul Vaden was literally slap and run and had his purse withheld as a result of that non effort.

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You can also make the point that Norris never faced a fighter like Floyd. Floyd is a different kind of beast. I am not going to hold it against him for not being an "old school" fighter in terms of being "all action." And you are right...it's all hypothetical since Floyd's best weight is clearly not 154. I am never one to say a guy like Norris couldn't have won or had success against Floyd. But i think one has to be fair and say the opposite could be just as true.

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Zab Judah matched Mayweathers handspeed for a few. A one trick pony Mosley had him reeling. Norris was a very physical sort and a seriosuly underrated boxer when he resisted. Still ranked a "p4p" best, Taylor set out to box like the wind that night..all changed when Norris matched his renowned speed and it ended in the power. You can box all you want until a guy kicks in the front door on you.

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Come on. Mosley landed what, 2 or 3 real good punches in the first or second round? Rocked Floyd good, then Floyd made the adjustments and shut him out for the rest of the fight. Did Zab land anything meaningful? Come on, you're grasping at straws here.

You can say Terry Norris beats Floyd at 154. I have no problem with anyone thinking that, because despite his MANY flaws, Terry was a dangerous motherfucker in there.

But don't tell me you think that because of what Terry did to a washed up MELDRICK TAYLOR. Meldrick and Mayweather are completely different animals. Completely different styles. Meldrick was slick, but not in a Mayweather kind of way.

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The point was that Floyd is not impervious to fast hands and when you consider natural size, speed and power of Norris..mayweather has never faced anything close to that and stayed dry. Frankly Mosley fought a dumb fight after his brief window and he went out to actually try to box with Floyd. He adjusted too, away from any sliver of a chance.

The comparison was to pure speed and closing down an all time fast handed guy and chopping down ring real estate. Norris had some serious speed and that fight flipped on its head with Taylor having his gameplan stripped away in 2nd. And it was Norris going down in weight. Made me think of Norris boxing class round 1 vs Julian Jackson..then the power came, in brutal fashion. Clearly Taylor had not the master footwork or backseat boxing mentality of Mayweather, but the totally washed up and shot talk gets thrown around way too easily in hindsight today. Taylor wore scars from Chavez but he wasn't so washed up that he couldn't rise a division, shut out a respectable champion and beat a top contender going into Norris fight. Both were ranked p4p top fighters in the world for whatever thats worth and Taylor was numero uno in his division! That fight was a throw back type match and a shot in the arm for the sport.

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Why are we using the Floyd that fought Shane as an example? Floyd in his early days had as good a foot movement as any fighter i have seen. Terry was one bad dude...but he hardly was tight on his defense. Mayweather is incredibly accurate and has tremendous movement. Norris never fought anyone who was as slick, smart, and defensively sound as Floyd. Of course ANY fighter can get caught with a big shot...Norris certainly did. Also, using the "slap and running" line is complete bs. Maybe...just maybe...that is why Mayweather has still has facilities but a fighter like Terry can't talk properly because of the punishment he took.

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Well because when talking speed combined one shot power in hypothetical 150ish a Mosley, Oscar or Judah would have to be the fastest? Absolutley correct, Floyd had the mobility of a cheetah even more in his early days, but he was also a lightweight, a jr welterweight. Not many at all could compose the total slick and defensive of Floyd but likewise, Mayweather has faced nothing like the complete package that Norris brought in natural size, speed and one shot power off boxing ability. Norris aggression could backfire, but he showed he could just as quickly box like a fool the next time out and make adjustments in the heat. Its hypothetical of course. I also think the slap and run shot was a bit cheap and Terry knows the difference. Paul Vaden was literally slap and run and had his purse withheld as a result of that non effort.

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You can also make the point that Norris never faced a fighter like Floyd. Floyd is a different kind of beast. I am not going to hold it against him for not being an "old school" fighter in terms of being "all action." And you are right...it's all hypothetical since Floyd's best weight is clearly not 154. I am never one to say a guy like Norris couldn't have won or had success against Floyd. But i think one has to be fair and say the opposite could be just as true.

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Absolutley dude. Floyd is one for his generation to be commended. Regardless of opinion on style and approach he has made it work and his talent is obvious. I do think we get lost in different eras though and the ease with which they actually translate or transform into one another in this case. Its not like its some obscure B&W grainy time none of us can appreciate or relive without ease. This would have been a very fan friendly fisticuffs, great clash of style going in.

Can we all just agree that if Mike Arnaoutis and Lolenga Mock had a baby, it would beat them both at once?

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You really cannot be objective when it comes to Floyd, when people point out weaknesees you do not accept them. OK, Terry may not have blasted out Floyd early but he would more than likely win.

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For sure I can be objective about Floyd. I think he's as big a douchebag as everyone else does, but I'm not going to let the fact that I don't like him personally cloud my judgement of his in ring ability.

Like I said, if you think Terry Norris beats Floyd at 154lbs, that's completely fine. I have no problem with that. I'd pick Floyd to edge him out, but personally I think it's a toss up fight. In no way do I think it's a slam dunk for Mayweather. Terry could very well have knocked him out.

But the problem is, a lot of people either can't or refuse to grasp just how good Mayweather is in the ring. If you're comparing him to Meldrick Taylor, you really don't have a solid grasp of Mayweather's ability. If you're like Spicoli and you're saying that Mosley lost because he voluntarily stopped fighting after he rocked Floyd, you really don't have a solid grasp of Mayweather's ability. Not that I think you guys are ignorant, I just think you're letting your bias against Mayweather negatively effect your view of his in-ring abilities.

Floyd's flaws? What flaws were pointed out? That fast hands give him trouble? Who the fuck isn't troubled by fast hands? I don't consider it a weakness but as I said, Floyd has adjusted to every fast guy he's fought and dominated.

The guy's undefeated for a reason, and it's not the reason most people here believe (that he doesn't fight anybody good). He's been fighting on the championship level since 1998.

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You can also make the point that Norris never faced a fighter like Floyd. Floyd is a different kind of beast. I am not going to hold it against him for not being an "old school" fighter in terms of being "all action." And you are right...it's all hypothetical since Floyd's best weight is clearly not 154. I am never one to say a guy like Norris couldn't have won or had success against Floyd. But i think one has to be fair and say the opposite could be just as true.

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Solid point. This has came up milliions of times over the years discussing hypothetical PBF opponents. "well Floyd has never fought anyone like X before." But the truth is, unless you've fought Sugar Ray Robinson, you haven't fought anyone who can be compared to Floyd Mayweather inside the ring in terms of straight up ability and intelligence.

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You really cannot be objective when it comes to Floyd, when people point out weaknesees you do not accept them. OK, Terry may not have blasted out Floyd early but he would more than likely win.

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For sure I can be objective about Floyd. I think he's as big a douchebag as everyone else does, but I'm not going to let the fact that I don't like him personally cloud my judgement of his in ring ability.

Like I said, if you think Terry Norris beats Floyd at 154lbs, that's completely fine. I have no problem with that. I'd pick Floyd to edge him out, but personally I think it's a toss up fight. In no way do I think it's a slam dunk for Mayweather. Terry could very well have knocked him out.

But the problem is, a lot of people either can't or refuse to grasp just how good Mayweather is in the ring. If you're comparing him to Meldrick Taylor, you really don't have a solid grasp of Mayweather's ability. If you're like Spicoli and you're saying that Mosley lost because he voluntarily stopped fighting after he rocked Floyd, you really don't have a solid grasp of Mayweather's ability. Not that I think you guys are ignorant, I just think you're letting your bias against Mayweather negatively effect your view of his in-ring abilities.

Floyd's flaws? What flaws were pointed out? That fast hands give him trouble? Who the fuck isn't troubled by fast hands? I don't consider it a weakness but as I said, Floyd has adjusted to every fast guy he's fought and dominated.

The guy's undefeated for a reason, and it's not the reason most people here believe (that he doesn't fight anybody good). He's been fighting on the championship level since 1998.

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Just because the guy is undefeated does not mean he has no weaknesses.