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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

I'm talking about the hundreds of thousands of people who have nothing wrong with them but choose to live off the state.

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There's no such thing as a "Welfare Queen" Kirkland......or didn't your little lefty friends teach you that? It's all made up, a rightwing hoax to make people in need look bad.

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The British welfare system and the US welfare system are different animals. There are families in America on welfare with a budget of three dollars a day for food. In New York, the richest city in America, there are appeals at every Yankees/NFL game for donations to food banks and reminders that 20% of New Yorkers can't feed their families and rely on food banks.

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There are people in the UK surviving off food from food banks and some of those are actually employed.

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A lot of them would be better off giving up their jobs and living off benefits. Working people having to use food banks is down to globalisation and financialisation destroying labour compensation. I'd personally be down with a large minimum wage increase with commensurate wage increases all the way up the scale, excepting top earners obviously who would have to pay more along with big business. If big minimum wages aren't practicable in certain circumstances than a negative income tax to allow low earners to make the big monimum wage with government assistance.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

So socialists are responsible for the richest city in the world? That's big of you to admit.

The US Senate are currently blocking an extension of unemployment benefits for long-term unemployed people. Hundreds of thousands of families ruined, divorces, people moving back in with their parents, sending kids to relatives, house foreclosures and so on. Unemployment caused by a deregulated banking system that fucked the economy. A banking system that the same US Senate has given trillions of dollars of free money to to paper over the fact that the banks are all bust. Everybody at the bottom of the pile is foreclosed and fucked and no help given to them but the guys at the top have so far seen trillions of dollars in welfare and zero prosecutions. Are you OK with that?

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It won't be the first time Socialists will have attempted to RUIN New York. Rudy Giuliani had to resurrect NYC after the disastrous terms of Ed Koch and David Dinkins.

OK Kirkland, how long should people be on unemployment? For forever? Why work? Why even attempt to look for work?

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

So socialists are responsible for the richest city in the world? That's big of you to admit.

The US Senate are currently blocking an extension of unemployment benefits for long-term unemployed people. Hundreds of thousands of families ruined, divorces, people moving back in with their parents, sending kids to relatives, house foreclosures and so on. Unemployment caused by a deregulated banking system that fucked the economy. A banking system that the same US Senate has given trillions of dollars of free money to to paper over the fact that the banks are all bust. Everybody at the bottom of the pile is foreclosed and fucked and no help given to them but the guys at the top have so far seen trillions of dollars in welfare and zero prosecutions. Are you OK with that?

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It won't be the first time Socialists will have attempted to RUIN New York. Rudy Giuliani had to resurrect NYC after the disastrous terms of Ed Koch and David Dinkins.

OK Kirkland, how long should people be on unemployment? For forever? Why work? Why even attempt to look for work?

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There are millions of Americans who lost their jobs in the banker-created 2008 meltdown. They currently don't have jobs because the jobs destroyed in 2008 have disappeared and haven't been replaced by new growth. These people can be fully taken care of by the government using a tiny fraction of the ongoing trillions handed out in free welfare to bankers who could all be prosecuted and sent to prison if the government enforced existing laws.


If socialism is so bad for the economy why is New York the wealthiest city on earth?

Why is 50% of the entire US economy concentrated in 25 urban areas which apart from Texas ( America's Saudi Arabia, full of oil and religious conservatives who hate their rulers and believe their country should be run according to their holy book) and Vegas are almost all solid Democratic areas?

http://i.imgur.com/zuWVXza.jpg



The south has been ruled by Republicans for generations. Why is poverty so concentrated in the south of Republican governance is so good for the economy?

Food stamp usage :

http://i.imgur.com/PtQgBiY.jpg



Poverty map of US:

http://cdn.theatlanticcities.com/img...20poverty_.png

Yeah so you DON'T remember Mayor Dinkins....it's cool, liberals typically never remember the failures of their policies only the good intentions of those policies.


Kirkland, of course I could point out that the areas of "massive welfare use" are more liberal locally and are home to many minorities: Indians, Blacks, Hispanics. Poor whites too receive welfare. Then we could get into a debate about why those people are poor and well that would leave us here arguing about America's past, how the North hogged all the tax revenue for infrastructure spending and left the South barren of factories, railroads, etc before of course Unions showed up and drove jobs South so companies could be more competitive.

However, we wouldn't really be discussing the present day without bringing up....
Obama's Policies Have Helped Wall St. Fat Cats | RealClearPolitics

Oh yes....YOUR choice for President, Mr. "Slow road to destruction" has done FOR the 1% rather than W whose policies lifted folks OUT of poverty, your President has put those people back in their place.....and I hope you feel good about the truth of his policies.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Yeah so you DON'T remember Mayor Dinkins....it's cool, liberals typically never remember the failures of their policies only the good intentions of those policies.


Kirkland, of course I could point out that the areas of "massive welfare use" are more liberal locally and are home to many minorities: Indians, Blacks, Hispanics. Poor whites too receive welfare. Then we could get into a debate about why those people are poor and well that would leave us here arguing about America's past, how the North hogged all the tax revenue for infrastructure spending and left the South barren of factories, railroads, etc before of course Unions showed up and drove jobs South so companies could be more competitive.

However, we wouldn't really be discussing the present day without bringing up....
Obama's Policies Have Helped Wall St. Fat Cats | RealClearPolitics

Oh yes....YOUR choice for President, Mr. "Slow road to destruction" has done FOR the 1% rather than W whose policies lifted folks OUT of poverty, your President has put those people back in their place.....and I hope you feel good about the truth of his policies.

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Forgot about this thread. This is one of your usual bullshit rants. The north actual subsidises the southern states with tax revenue. The southern moocher states all get regular federal welfare cheques from the northern states. The vast majority of welfare and food stamp recipients are white. And the south has had a century and a half to recover from being forced to give up its slave economy and have to make money on a fair and equal footing with non-slaveowners. Yet the south is just a big bunch of takers getting welfare from northern and coastal makers.

Also, too. Last week you were telling us Obama was a socialist dictator. This week he's Wall Street's biggest buddy, helping them make billions.

You mean the same Wall Street guys benefitting from "corporate socialism"? Are those the guys helping Barry??? Why wouldn't they help him? They're better off are they not? Oh actually I just posted a link that said EXACTLY THAT.


Your comebacks are pathetic drivel and for that.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jUgWCAXxTQ

I see, Wall Street bankers are now all socialists. Fuck me, Obama's socialised the whole country!

Well that went well.:-)