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This fight isn't good at all. Khan would be more exciting . Mayweather is the best in the world and thus we have higher expectations. So what that Maidana beat Broner. Maidana got shutout by Alexander not that long ago. Why not Mayweather vs Porter that beat Alexander. On the other hand . Erislandy Lara beat Trout easy , Trout beat Cotto , Cotto gave a lot of problems to Floyd. Why not Floyd vs Lara? Unless there is a great undercard , this PPV should turn out to have low revenue.
So this is where we've ended up? We're using "fight math" to set up fights? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by gest12645
We can agree to disagree, my friend. Maidana is a 14-1 underdog for a $70 PPV. I can't even remember when the last time a PPV had fighters so unevenly matched (oh wait, maybe it was Floyd's Guerrero fight, but was only 7-1). It sucks. I don't really know what else to say. I'm a big fan of Maidana and he gives a lot of welterweights a tough out, but he's a more appropriate opponent for Paulie, Garcia, or Thurman, not Floyd Mayweather. When you make $40MM/fight, only fight on PPVs, and are the consensus number one boxer is the sport, do you get to have stay busy fights without some heavy criticism coming your way? I don't think so. Any crap Floyd gets on this fight, he's earned in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I don't agree that the fight stinks, like I said I think Maidana has certain attributes that have the potential to make the fight somewhat interesting, but I agree it's less than ideal.
To me, it's a stay-busy fight before the Pac/Bradley winner.
And I agree with your boxing geeks comment, fights usually don't get made because they are the most compelling match-ups-high risk/low reward fights. Then again, Cotto is going up to 159 to face Martinez...but, that's a different discussion.
:) ok but it works sometimes. Maidana vs Floyd is better than Floyd vs Lara? Not by a mileQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerSo this is where we've ended up? We're using "fight math" to set up fights? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by gest12645
I picked Broner to win, as a lot of us did, and my estimation of Maidana went up some when he won.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerFor sure, it's not my goal to hang people out to dry for bad picks because I've made my fair share of them, and I picked Broner to win as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I just think that if you thought Broner was going to dominate Maidana, you can't come back and say "oh yeah I always knew Broner wasn't shit, that wasn't a big win for Maidana".
I think it's natural to reassess fights, the fighters and past fights to determine where a fight or fighter should be placed in the scheme of things.
Some of don't like to admit we are wrong, so instead of saying we were wrong we say something stupid about the winner.
I'm glad I'm not like that.
How is Lara no value?
This is nonsense logic. Just because he is high risk and relatively unknown, doesn't make him low reward. The bonafide reality is he is a REAL threat to Floyd and this would become VERY apparent through promotion. They'd have to promote it HARD but no harder than this crock of shit.
Agreed load of nonsence just another way of saying he is too awkward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
I acknowledged MANY times in this thread that I felt Lara was the biggest threat to Floyd at 147-154. I wish some of you could read properly and respond to what someone is saying instead of stumbling forward awkwardly and arguing a point that NOBODY IS ARGUING. I realize that setting up and knocking down strawman arguments is a lot easier than actually coming up with logical counterpoints, but come on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
He's low value because he has no fan following, no public recognition and there's no angle or drama that can be crafted to build the fight up. And what's more, he's typically a BORING FIGHTER. People know Floyd is a boring fighter, and they respond much more favorably to opponents who they feel are going to "bring it" to Floyd. The layman isn't going to get excited about a chessmatch between Floyd and Lara, which is what it would be. JUST BECAUSE BOXING GEEKS LIKE US KNOW LARA IS A NASTY FIGHTER, DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC WILL GIVE A SHIT.
If you think a Lara fight could be built up just as well as a Maidana fight, that goes well beyond short-sightedness and enters into the realm of idiocy. Maidana/Broner got a lot of heat, especially in the black community (who happen to make up a large % of boxing's fanbase). The angle of Floyd taking on the guy who whipped his "protege" is a great sell. Maidana - the hard-working, hard-punching knockout machine - is a great sell. Nobody would give a flying fuck about a Lara fight.
You guys are stuck in the perspective of boxing geek/internet forum fans, who know boxing, know all the players, and understand how deadly Lara is. The general public doesn't know or give a fuck. Why is that important? Because internet fans IN GENERAL are not the ones buying tickets, PPVs and merch. They're the ones watching illegal streams or downloading after the fact.
Personally, I would love to see Floyd fight Lara instead of Maidana. But it doesn't make sense, and any attempt to justify it shows a complete lack of understanding of how the business of boxing works.
Maidana fight is a hard sell as much as Guerrero was.
@Beanflicker - how about Sergio Martinez? Martinez has been asking for a fight with Floyd for years. He's a marketable name. He sold out 40,000 seats in a soccer stadium in Argentina.
Should Cotto beat Sergio I am sure Floyd will become interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat