Come on man you know better then that. Cal never called out Jones because Cal was just starting to own the division when Roy was long gone to light heavyweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
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Come on man you know better then that. Cal never called out Jones because Cal was just starting to own the division when Roy was long gone to light heavyweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Leonard had issues with Benitez at a time when Wilfredo was on the road already to ruin with his partying. I think its fair to say that he would have had problems with Floyd. Leonard had problems with Benitez though not just because of his defensive wizardry but also because of his offensive ability. Thats probably the difference in the Floyd fight. Floyd is an extreme safety first fighter who would rather counter then anything else rarely taking it to the opponent. That works with the brawler/punchers of the world but I dont see it working with Ray. I dont see a ko but I do see a clear points win for Leonard.
I like to wind up dia bando..Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitCome on man you know better then that. Cal never called out Jones because Cal was just starting to own the division when Roy was long gone to light heavyweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
RJJ runs everything prime for prime.
Back on topic, floyd called out everyone and beat everyone...
Bring on 50-0
I think this holds especially true for Floyd in the latter part of his career (safety first fighter)...especially at 147. But younger Floyd, at the lower weight classes, opened up nicely on offense (throwing combos) to go along with his tremendous defense and movement. Ray would be the favorite at 147...though i think it still would be a very good fight. I just think Floyd's absolute peak was/is not at welterweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
You nasty git.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by impI like to wind up dia bando..Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitCome on man you know better then that. Cal never called out Jones because Cal was just starting to own the division when Roy was long gone to light heavyweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
RJJ runs everything prime for prime.
Back on topic, floyd called out everyone and beat everyone...
Bring on 50-0
Comparisons are hard to make with fighters, of different eras Floyd is a good fighter but imagine
him fighting Mike McCallum at light middle hell he would have taken a beating.
Speed SRL also Tommy Hearns, punch volume Pryor the contenders than would be good champions
now.
Floyd is small for Welterweight...so no idea what bringing McCallum into the discussion proves. No one questions Leonard being the naturally bigger guy. If we use this kind of logic we could also argue that if Sugar Ray somehow fought Floyd at 130-135...Floyd would be the favorite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
May I remind you Floyd was light middle weight Champion so there is your comparison, you fightQuote:
Originally Posted by zhubinFloyd is small for Welterweight...so no idea what bringing McCallum into the discussion proves. No one questions Leonard being the naturally bigger guy. If we use this kind of logic we could also argue that if Sugar Ray somehow fought Floyd at 130-135...Floyd would be the favorite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
at the weight, you face them logic has nothing to do with it.
You seem to still miss the point. Leonard was naturally the bigger man...yes Floyd has won at 154...but that is no where close to his best weight. Floyd was at his absolute peak at 130-140. If you want to discount the natural size advantage a great fighter like Leonard would have at 147 and above...so be it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoMay I remind you Floyd was light middle weight Champion so there is your comparison, you fightQuote:
Originally Posted by zhubinFloyd is small for Welterweight...so no idea what bringing McCallum into the discussion proves. No one questions Leonard being the naturally bigger guy. If we use this kind of logic we could also argue that if Sugar Ray somehow fought Floyd at 130-135...Floyd would be the favorite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
at the weight, you face them logic has nothing to do with it.
I've reviewed Ray Leonard many times. He was a great boxer. He would have been a good opponent for Mayweather. But I don't think he would have proved any more serious threat than say Marquez.
Mayweather UD Leonard most likely outcome and by quite a margin!!
I think SRL wins a clear ud by landing better punches and more often in a boring fight. Mayweather great fight in my top 15 but who the fuck at 147 did he fight that was really great no one really. Hatton eh at the weight, Mosley was 38 had not fought in year, Balomair well shit come on now, and then there Zab i mean pretty weak list. His best weight was 130 and 135 not 147 he has the weakest comp there by far out of all the weight classes. Anyhow i go with SRL i also rate him higher in atg list as well he has got the resume to back up his shit.
You are boring now, go away to another site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
Agree with the thread title :D Leonard would have stopped Floyd ;)
Atleast it's a competitive fight for Floyd.
But not that competitive..
Floyd UD!
I still say that Zab was winning rounds and deserved a rematch after that 03 fight. And why was Floyd not DQ"d when roger mayweather entered the ring ? I'll never understand that one
Floyd may well have been light middleweight champion but the fact remains that was an inflated weight for him and a very comfortable weight for SRL. Weight may very well give SRL an edge but lb for lb I cannot go past Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoMay I remind you Floyd was light middle weight Champion so there is your comparison, you fightQuote:
Originally Posted by zhubinFloyd is small for Welterweight...so no idea what bringing McCallum into the discussion proves. No one questions Leonard being the naturally bigger guy. If we use this kind of logic we could also argue that if Sugar Ray somehow fought Floyd at 130-135...Floyd would be the favorite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
at the weight, you face them logic has nothing to do with it.
Well you should, Floyd has done nothing that Pernell Whitaker has not already done and most do not consider a great welterweight but do at lightweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerFloyd may well have been light middleweight champion but the fact remains that was an inflated weight for him and a very comfortable weight for SRL. Weight may very well give SRL an edge but lb for lb I cannot go past Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoMay I remind you Floyd was light middle weight Champion so there is your comparison, you fightQuote:
Originally Posted by zhubinFloyd is small for Welterweight...so no idea what bringing McCallum into the discussion proves. No one questions Leonard being the naturally bigger guy. If we use this kind of logic we could also argue that if Sugar Ray somehow fought Floyd at 130-135...Floyd would be the favorite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
at the weight, you face them logic has nothing to do with it.
That's not true. Whitaker was good but he never had the offensive skills or the punch to do what Floyd has.
I can be critical of Floyd's tactical approach to his career as well but to be honest he fought and beat more good fighters than just about any other boxer.
Mosley was old and De La Hoya was not prime either sure, but they were not exactly corpses either. Marquez is a really good fighter among others.
Only thing that hurts Floyds legacy is the absence of Pac on his record. If he should beat Pac there could be no doubt at all imo.
I think the Canelo victory for Floyd was better than the Hagler one for Leonard. That's right, I said that lol.
That being said, Leonard and Hagler were first rate boxers and would be today as well undoubtedly!!
I fell in love with this sport after watching leonard and he's my favorite fighter ever next to Finito but I really dont believe that he could knock out floyd..
It's nearly impossible to knock out a fighter who is so defensive and floyd is on another level when it comes to taking hits. He has a great chin which means he aint going out from a single punch. For leonard to score a ko, he would have to land consistently with combinations and wuth barrage of punches and i just dont see floyd getting hit like that.
Sugar Ray Leonard had popping power in both hands. Lightning fast. Would have outsmarted Floyd. Leonard had more versatility. Boxer, puncher, dancer, hell I seen him slug some fights out like a slugger. He would solve Floyd just like Maidana solved Broner.
Alvarez was faster and more powerful than Leonard ever was and could not land anything significant on him at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Marquez and De La Hoya both had pop and are both very technical and aggressive and still no goods.
What makes Leonard better than the best opponents of Floyd??? Who appear to me to be equivalently talented and proficient fighters??
I don't personally agree myself, I think he was goods, but the case has been made before that SRL is in fact highly overrated as well!! Consider that.
Floyd isnt broner though. Broner is like a snot nosed bitch whose ball sacks havent even dropped yet compared to floyd. Im not sure broner beats Victor ortiz at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Only way I see floyd getting knocked out is if he fights aggressively as he did with mosley, cotto, and he would know better not to do that against leonard..
Alvarez may be more powerful but is not faster than Leonard. Marquez at welterweight is not in the same league as Leonard. Oscar was old but still the closest to beating Floyd with the jab.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerAlvarez was faster and more powerful than Leonard ever was and could not land anything significant on him at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Marquez and De La Hoya both had pop and are both very technical and aggressive and still no goods.
What makes Leonard better than the best opponents of Floyd??? Who appear to me to be equivalently talented and proficient fighters??
I don't personally agree myself, I think he was goods, but the case has been made before that SRL is in fact highly overrated as well!! Consider that.
Leonard would have beaten Floyd but may not stop or KO him.
Well I'm not going to argue with you here because I think there is a strong enough case for Leonard. A welcome change from many other of your high hopes match ups ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterAlvarez may be more powerful but is not faster than Leonard. Marquez at welterweight is not in the same league as Leonard. Oscar was old but still the closest to beating Floyd with the jab.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerAlvarez was faster and more powerful than Leonard ever was and could not land anything significant on him at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Marquez and De La Hoya both had pop and are both very technical and aggressive and still no goods.
What makes Leonard better than the best opponents of Floyd??? Who appear to me to be equivalently talented and proficient fighters??
I don't personally agree myself, I think he was goods, but the case has been made before that SRL is in fact highly overrated as well!! Consider that.
Leonard would have beaten Floyd but may not stop or KO him.