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i agree with this bold bitQuote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
the next sentence i dont agree with tho, he was hurt from it, he seemed groggy for the rest of the round
and i dont agree that price couldnt land on fury, price is a very good boxer and fury does get hit
You could say Price is cautious and yeah sure Fury does get hit.
Of course Price would be able to hit him. I don't think he would land a money shot on Fury though.
Obviously Fury would not clown around with someone like that. He had absolutely no respect for Cunninghams power.
yeah im sure he would be a lot more switched on against price than he was against cunningham, even if just for the cunningham experienceQuote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
thing is in all of this, I think coz of the thompson fights Price is now underrated/overlooked and fury is generally overrated
i dont think fury has really proved himself against a good opponent yet and hasnt really looked amazing in beating the ones he has, dont get me wrong the cunningham fight was a good result
lets see how he does against chisora
Yeah it will be a good fight that one. Chisora is something of the gate keeper imo. He'll beat anybody not ready for serious contention. Chisora himself is often underrated. He has held his own in many of his fights pretty well. He could have got that decision against Helenius.
Fury vs Chisora is a pretty even match. If Fury cannot do it again it would cast a lot of doubt about him that's for sure.
You saw that decking from Cunningham.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
Laugh @ Cunningham " decking " Fury.. First of all, Fury walked into the punch and anybody would have got knocked down in that situation.. That sure wasn't any indication of Cunningham's punching power or Fury's chin..
When you walk into somebody's punch, umm yea you are going to get knocked down.. It's kind of like what happened when Froch walked into Grove's right hand..
What're you some sort of English teacher now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlYou saw that decking from Cunningham.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
Yeah I know, not to mention he got straight back up to beat USS up and knock him out.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
He just paid a little price of temporary humiliation because he was trying to put on a show as usual.
Atleast Fury is an entertaining boxer! lol
Knocked him out.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerYeah I know, not to mention he got straight back up to beat USS up and knock him out.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
He just paid a little price of temporary humiliation because he was trying to put on a show as usual.
Atleast Fury is an entertaining boxer! lol
Just look at Cooper knocking down Clay. Getting knocked down by a 180lb fighter. How embarrasing and what a shit chin:rolleyes:
In fact, Dundee admitted cheating to get more time and keep Clay in the fight.
;D
Yes fury has a chin just like Clay.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Did you know ross that Cunningham has never scored a knockout at HW?
How many world class fighters over 200lb did Cooper knock out?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlYes fury has a chin just like Clay.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Did you know ross that Cunningham has never scored a knockout at HW?
Cunningham stopped Huck. Povetkin couldnt. Couldnt put a dent in that little cruiser weight.....
Also, yes, Fury does have a chin just like Clay and anyone else who gives away free shots.
:vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by rossHow many world class fighters over 200lb did Cooper knock out?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlYes fury has a chin just like Clay.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Did you know ross that Cunningham has never scored a knockout at HW?
Cunningham stopped Huck. Povetkin couldnt. Couldnt put a dent in that little cruiser weight.....
Also, yes, Fury does have a chin just like Clay and anyone else who gives away free shots.
Old @ross has made a very valid comparison here if you can't see it.
Fury gets up from a flash KD to WIN by stoppage against a 200+ opponent like Cunningham.
WEAK CHIN
Ali gets virtually knocked out by Cooper at 185lbs!!! but got up (suspiciously) to win as well, same as Fury.
IRON CHIN.
See the double standards???
In the past you could get smacked out left right and centre and be considered to still have a good chin and a top opponent.
These days if you get knocked down or out just once you get labelled a glass jaw and often lose contender status!
It's ridiculous!
Not saying Fury has a great chin but I don't think he is made of glass!
Another point, I noticed how Al didn't have much to say regarding PRice's losses to Thompson.
The triangulation works that way too and imo more viably as well. I could not see Thompson handling Fury anymore like he did Price, maybe several years ago but not now.
Also if PRice had so much trouble with Thompson at his age, an opponent of similar size (not quite even), it stands to reason he would find probably more trouble against Fury right.
My opinion on Price is he has a glass jaw , and limited stamina , and Thompson was to good for him both times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
thompson was too good for him both timesQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlMy opinion on Price is he has a glass jaw , and limited stamina , and Thompson was to good for him both times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
Oh... Perhaps I should shut up then lol
Cooper admitted he got on the scales with weights in his shorts so Clay thought he was heavier. He was 180lb when he smashed Clay in to the floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
"Never a true heavyweight, he revealed later that he had loaded his shorts with lead at the weigh-in to give a false impression of his size and had entered the ring at no more than 12 st 12 lb"
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What on earth doe Henry Cooper and Mohammed Ali have to do with Steve Cunningham and Tyson Fury ?
While certainly not the greatest, Ali was at times a sublime boxer something neither Fury or Cunningham can ever lay claim to. Even a clearly limited Henry Cooper was on another scale completely compared to the shocking lack of boxing prowess demonstrated by Fury. Cunningham is not the first and will not be the last to put Fury on his backside but you are digressing. The thread is about Price and yes Price has been knocked down but he has far more power than Fury and had the balls to test himself against a proven genuine heavyweight like Thompson twice. Fury continues to pussy foot around and gob off whilst facing nobodies like Abel and his deluded fans lap it up. He is a dirty fighter who has to rely on cheating to make up for his puny weight to power ratio. If Cooper had hit him he would not be getting back up and if Price ever hit him he would disintegrate. He has not improved or moved on at all, the guy is a joke and people think that is entertaining ?
As if Cooper could even reach Fury's chin and as if Henry Cooper could pop as hard as fucking Cunningham! What rot!Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Yeah the first time Price faced a high quality opponent he got pasted twice!
Fury TRIED to face a top tier HW remember and the mother fucker pulled out with a lacerated eye! Not his fault is it!
Fury calls out everybody! Even Klitschko! Can you imagine David Price calling out Klitschko or Haye? Ha! It would not even be worth the response!
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Originally Posted by Max PowerAs if Cooper could even reach Fury's chin and as if Henry Cooper could pop as hard as fucking Cunningham! What rot!Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Yeah the first time Price faced a high quality opponent he got pasted twice!
Fury TRIED to face a top tier HW remember and the mother fucker pulled out with a lacerated eye! Not his fault is it!
Fury calls out everybody! Even Klitschko! Can you imagine David Price calling out Klitschko or Haye? Ha! It would not even be worth the response!
for what its worth i dont really agree with either of your opinions
david haye was the first top HW fury was going to face and IMO its fortunate for fury that haye pulled out, in fact the result of the whole thing was the best fury could have hoped for and is the only way fury could have come out looking good from it, i really dont think the fight would have lasted more than a couple of rounds
i do rate chisora as a top HW by todays standards and fury has beaten him which looks like his best win, im not sure you can take that much from that fight tho
Well actually eric I completely agree with Fury vs Haye, it would have been his ending as well but still lolQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerAs if Cooper could even reach Fury's chin and as if Henry Cooper could pop as hard as fucking Cunningham! What rot!Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Yeah the first time Price faced a high quality opponent he got pasted twice!
Fury TRIED to face a top tier HW remember and the mother fucker pulled out with a lacerated eye! Not his fault is it!
Fury calls out everybody! Even Klitschko! Can you imagine David Price calling out Klitschko or Haye? Ha! It would not even be worth the response!
for what its worth i dont really agree with either of your opinions
david haye was the first top HW fury was going to face and IMO its fortunate for fury that haye pulled out, in fact the result of the whole thing was the best fury could have hoped for and is the only way fury could have come out looking good from it, i really dont think the fight would have lasted more than a couple of rounds
i do rate chisora as a top HW by todays standards and fury has beaten him which looks like his best win, im not sure you can take that much from that fight tho
i dont understand that sentenceQuote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerWell actually eric I completely agree with Fury vs Haye, it would have been his ending as well but still lolQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerAs if Cooper could even reach Fury's chin and as if Henry Cooper could pop as hard as fucking Cunningham! What rot!Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Yeah the first time Price faced a high quality opponent he got pasted twice!
Fury TRIED to face a top tier HW remember and the mother fucker pulled out with a lacerated eye! Not his fault is it!
Fury calls out everybody! Even Klitschko! Can you imagine David Price calling out Klitschko or Haye? Ha! It would not even be worth the response!
for what its worth i dont really agree with either of your opinions
david haye was the first top HW fury was going to face and IMO its fortunate for fury that haye pulled out, in fact the result of the whole thing was the best fury could have hoped for and is the only way fury could have come out looking good from it, i really dont think the fight would have lasted more than a couple of rounds
i do rate chisora as a top HW by todays standards and fury has beaten him which looks like his best win, im not sure you can take that much from that fight tho
don't . ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44i dont understand that sentenceQuote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerWell actually eric I completely agree with Fury vs Haye, it would have been his ending as well but still lolQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerAs if Cooper could even reach Fury's chin and as if Henry Cooper could pop as hard as fucking Cunningham! What rot!Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Yeah the first time Price faced a high quality opponent he got pasted twice!
Fury TRIED to face a top tier HW remember and the mother fucker pulled out with a lacerated eye! Not his fault is it!
Fury calls out everybody! Even Klitschko! Can you imagine David Price calling out Klitschko or Haye? Ha! It would not even be worth the response!
for what its worth i dont really agree with either of your opinions
david haye was the first top HW fury was going to face and IMO its fortunate for fury that haye pulled out, in fact the result of the whole thing was the best fury could have hoped for and is the only way fury could have come out looking good from it, i really dont think the fight would have lasted more than a couple of rounds
i do rate chisora as a top HW by todays standards and fury has beaten him which looks like his best win, im not sure you can take that much from that fight tho
Price has always been can we say fragile, he is a very big HW, long reach good boxing skills
but that chin is not the best, but theses guys are big and any punch off one of theses guys would
put any member of the public in la la land.
It may seem harsh how we judge fighters, but in reality they are not Joe public but a different
breed, David Price has hit his level I feel and it is way short of World level,
Hopefully he proves us all wrong..Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Hopefully he does,! but what I've seen he looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights, when he's hit,Quote:
Originally Posted by impHopefully he proves us all wrong..Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
and he looks way out of his comfort zone.
All the faults Price has , he brings big ko power and a fragile chin , that is a recipe for excitement.
Maybe but you need heart and guts as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Heart and guts is an essential for an exciting fighter and in the Thompson rematch he was very lacking.
His fight with Pala he showed a glimpse of it. He needs more small tests like that, like he did initially rather than being fed old british level journeymen. He needed rough fighters with ambition that could push him in to a bit of a scrap.
eric;
I mean I agree with you that Haye would have obliterated Fury.
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
He struggled with an old Ruiz, took 3 rounds to throw about three punches against Harrsion, looked pants against Valuev and Klitschko, got dropped by Barret.
Haye knows which side of his bread is buttered and getting beaten up in sparring regardless of the tiny highlight real they released he knew he was in for a very rough night against the most live opponent other than Klitschko he had faced.
Yeah man really this time. No doubt about it whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossReally?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
He struggled with an old Ruiz, took 3 rounds to throw about three punches against Harrsion, looked pants against Valuev and Klitschko, got dropped by Barret.
Haye knows which side of his bread is buttered and getting beaten up in sparring regardless of the tiny highlight real they released he knew he was in for a very rough night against the most live opponent other than Klitschko he had faced.
David Haye is an excellent boxer. If Adamek can handle Arreola image what Haye could do. Arreola has chin on Haye, that's it. And maybe a bit of power and stamina (maybe).
The skills and speed combined with Haye's definite punching power and elusiveness is a pretty overwhelming combination for any opponent but the very upper echelons of the modern eras.
He would clown Fury and knock him out.
He would annihilate anybody pre 80's
He'd be undoubtedly beaten imo only by guys like Lewis, Bowe, both Klitschko's and Mike Tyson.
You would lose money would you bet otherwise. Haye's mouth before the Klit fight was not completely unfounded.
If someone put a gun to your head and said pick the winner or you'd be shot, you would not put your money on Fury. He's decent but he is an oaf compared with Haye.
Another way to look at your examples is that Haye stepped up to the HW rank, he is a natural cruiser. In this HW era he is expected to fight massive opponents compared to his natural weight. And he's pulled through with all of them bar Klitschko which is nothing to be ashamed of. He even KO's them!
Compare Holyfield, struggling with fossils, got KD's by Cooper, finally fought Riddick Bowe, the then equivalent of Klit and got beaten too! I see no real difference there. Except Haye wasted some opponents and they were massive (even Ruiz was highly experienced and not exactly small! Plus he was reknowned awkward fighter).
I stopped reading when you said hed anhialate anyone pre 80's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerYeah man really this time. No doubt about it whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossReally?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
He struggled with an old Ruiz, took 3 rounds to throw about three punches against Harrsion, looked pants against Valuev and Klitschko, got dropped by Barret.
Haye knows which side of his bread is buttered and getting beaten up in sparring regardless of the tiny highlight real they released he knew he was in for a very rough night against the most live opponent other than Klitschko he had faced.
David Haye is an excellent boxer. If Adamek can handle Arreola image what Haye could do. Arreola has chin on Haye, that's it. And maybe a bit of power and stamina (maybe).
The skills and speed combined with Haye's definite punching power and elusiveness is a pretty overwhelming combination for any opponent but the very upper echelons of the modern eras.
He would clown Fury and knock him out.
He would annihilate anybody pre 80's
He'd be undoubtedly beaten imo only by guys like Lewis, Bowe, both Klitschko's and Mike Tyson.
You would lose money would you bet otherwise. Haye's mouth before the Klit fight was not completely unfounded.
If someone put a gun to your head and said pick the winner or you'd be shot, you would not put your money on Fury. He's decent but he is an oaf compared with Haye.
Another way to look at your examples is that Haye stepped up to the HW rank, he is a natural cruiser. In this HW era he is expected to fight massive opponents compared to his natural weight. And he's pulled through with all of them bar Klitschko which is nothing to be ashamed of. He even KO's them!
Compare Holyfield, struggling with fossils, got KD's by Cooper, finally fought Riddick Bowe, the then equivalent of Klit and got beaten too! I see no real difference there. Except Haye wasted some opponents and they were massive (even Ruiz was highly experienced and not exactly small! Plus he was reknowned awkward fighter).
He couldnt anhialate an old, retired 198lb Thompson who wasnt known for having a great defence or chin.
@ross even tho @Max Power is clearly being a bit excitable on hayes credentials, almost to the point where it seems like a bit of a piss take, i dont think you would be daft enough not to realise the learning process a boxer goes throughQuote:
Originally Posted by rossI stopped reading when you said hed anhialate anyone pre 80's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerYeah man really this time. No doubt about it whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossReally?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
He struggled with an old Ruiz, took 3 rounds to throw about three punches against Harrsion, looked pants against Valuev and Klitschko, got dropped by Barret.
Haye knows which side of his bread is buttered and getting beaten up in sparring regardless of the tiny highlight real they released he knew he was in for a very rough night against the most live opponent other than Klitschko he had faced.
David Haye is an excellent boxer. If Adamek can handle Arreola image what Haye could do. Arreola has chin on Haye, that's it. And maybe a bit of power and stamina (maybe).
The skills and speed combined with Haye's definite punching power and elusiveness is a pretty overwhelming combination for any opponent but the very upper echelons of the modern eras.
He would clown Fury and knock him out.
He would annihilate anybody pre 80's
He'd be undoubtedly beaten imo only by guys like Lewis, Bowe, both Klitschko's and Mike Tyson.
You would lose money would you bet otherwise. Haye's mouth before the Klit fight was not completely unfounded.
If someone put a gun to your head and said pick the winner or you'd be shot, you would not put your money on Fury. He's decent but he is an oaf compared with Haye.
Another way to look at your examples is that Haye stepped up to the HW rank, he is a natural cruiser. In this HW era he is expected to fight massive opponents compared to his natural weight. And he's pulled through with all of them bar Klitschko which is nothing to be ashamed of. He even KO's them!
Compare Holyfield, struggling with fossils, got KD's by Cooper, finally fought Riddick Bowe, the then equivalent of Klit and got beaten too! I see no real difference there. Except Haye wasted some opponents and they were massive (even Ruiz was highly experienced and not exactly small! Plus he was reknowned awkward fighter).
He couldnt anhialate an old, retired 198lb Thompson who wasnt known for having a great defence or chin.
on the subject of fury v haye, i have been watching boxing for many years and see myself as objective as they come and as much of a realist as they come, perhaps some would disagree
fury would have had a chance against haye theres no doubt about it, anything can happen in a boxing ring, and fury definately has the size, but i think haye KOing fury was pretty much a sure thing tho
i think you could have replayed a fight between haye and fury 100 times at the time they were due to fight and i think fury would win less than 10, more likely less than 5 times
I don't wish to bad outcome for any fighter. Price was KO'd twice by Thompson, that's not good, he just doesn't have the chin to ride with the heavyweights, nor the ability to protect his chin.
The rest of the heavyweight division knows he doesn't have a good chin, everyone is going to be trying to knock him out. That's the way the heavyweight division is, if you don't have a chin you're not going to make it in the heavyweights. There is no hate or malice in this post, Price can hang on as long as he can and make some money but he will never hold a major belt.
He is no Wald and would we want another one if he was?
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Originally Posted by beenKOed
Hold on...
How many times has Wladimir been knocked out? 3?
Hes also been dropped in other fights.
It is still possible to make it with a bad chin. Look at Khan against Maidana.
Its the heart for a fight. It looked improved in Prices last fight and that will do him the workd of good. Fighters need tests to learn.
I dont care what anyone says regarding the Fury v Haye outcome. Its only opinions not facts.
The fact is, Haye pulled out twice and will comeback at some point.
It was a big purse, it was SO EASY but a little cut and he pulls out, even though it was only going to last a round.
Maybe you all should have persuaded Haye it was easy money and an easy guaranteed win because he certainly didnt think so;)
You really love fury , im sure you all stick together no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossQuote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
Hold on...
How many times has Wladimir been knocked out? 3?
Hes also been dropped in other fights.
It is still possible to make it with a bad chin. Look at Khan against Maidana.
Its the heart for a fight. It looked improved in Prices last fight and that will do him the workd of good. Fighters need tests to learn.
I dont care what anyone says regarding the Fury v Haye outcome. Its only opinions not facts.
The fact is, Haye pulled out twice and will comeback at some point.
It was a big purse, it was SO EASY but a little cut and he pulls out, even though it was only going to last a round.
Maybe you all should have persuaded Haye it was easy money and an easy guaranteed win because he certainly didnt think so;)
Lets wait and see if he is all that.
Once Wlad goes he is still a contender. Apart from Wlad is there any heavyweight you think would be stronger then a 1/5 fav against him?
Yes, there are truckload of guys who would be..Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Name a truckload. I think Id back Price at 5/1 against anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaYes, there are truckload of guys who would be..Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe