Eddie Chambers explains why Wladimir Klitschko is an all-time great

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Originally Posted by Freedom

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Originally Posted by TigerFan

When did Saddo turn into Eastsideboxing/Boxingscene :confused:

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I regret making this thread.

The idea of a white boxers being "great" is very upsetting to black supremacists like cyclone and p4pking, since they deeply believe only black boxers can ever be great and all non-black boxers are inferior.

Perhaps the mods should lock this thread.

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YOU are the one that feels Black fighters are superior....hence your constant state of butt-hurtness.;D

It fucks with you that Vlad will NEVER be on the level of those great Black heavies.

Vlad got blasted unconscious by losers that couldn't topple Ali's spit bucket and Vitali QUIT because an Ex middleweight was WALKING HIM DOWN and ROCKING his sorry ass.

Don't give me that shit about an injury because he was throwing with both hands all night.

Even if he were hurt that was still no excuse to quit.

Ali had a broken jaw...he didn't quit.
Floyd didn't let a shoulder injury punk him out.
Kirkland tore his shoulder to shreds...yet he didn't BITCH OUT like a foreign robot.

The Klits lack toughness and heart...typical..

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Originally Posted by cyclone

The Klits lack toughness and heart...typical..

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Yup typical of the dominate heavyweight he is...how's about you go dig up a challenge for him?

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by cyclone

The Klits lack toughness and heart...typical..

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Yup typical of the dominate heavyweight he is...how's about you go dig up a challenge for him?

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I've got one. Put him in solitary confinement for 48 hours, and force him to read through every thread made on the main board of this place in the past 5 days, with a vial of cyanide in close proximity. Would he make it, is he really that tough?

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Originally Posted by p4pking

I've got one. Put him in solitary confinement for 48 hours, and force him to read through every thread made on the main board of this place in the past 5 days, with a vial of cyanide in close proximity. Would he make it, is he really that tough?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCpMIe8FjEU

Is there anyone in history who could beat Wlad?

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Originally Posted by VG_Addict

Is there anyone in history who could beat Wlad?

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Of course....your point?

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by p4pking

I've got one. Put him in solitary confinement for 48 hours, and force him to read through every thread made on the main board of this place in the past 5 days, with a vial of cyanide in close proximity. Would he make it, is he really that tough?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCpMIe8FjEU

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Haha, this came to mind really..

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Good god wtf is going on in this forum Mayweather has a close fight and now were as bad as fucking sherdog fucking a. I don't care for the guys but they both are atg i mean lets be real hear. Wlad regardless of earlier loses has been hw champ for 10 years atg just for that. Mayweather has been fighting at championship level for 17 years had few close decisions you could argue but thats it he is a atg. I mean people are saying how much Mayweather slowed down yet he dodge over 600 punches form Madina and landed more with throwing half as much. I mean the man not prime anymore but he won a clear fight with anyone who has a brain and can judge against prime champ at the age of 37. I can not believe how bad it has been since fucking saturday i mean we have new troll members just because of the fight and people i liked on the forum lost there minds.

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Good god wtf is going on in this from Mayweather has a close fight and now were as bad as fucking sherdog fucking a. I don't care for the guys but they both are atg i mean lets be real hear. Wlad regardless of earlier loses has been hw champ for 10 years atg just for that. Mayweather has been fighting at championship level for 17 years had few close decisions you could argue he is a atg. I mean people are saying how much Mayweather slowed down yet he dodge over 600 punches form Madina and landed more with throwing half as much. I mean the man not prime anymore but he won a clear fight with anyone who has a brain and can judge against prime champ at the age of 37.

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I'm not comparing Wlad and Floyd, they're 2 different fighters, 2 great fighters.

The people who seem to dislike Wladimir are the Floyd fans...why they dislike him is beyond me.

Sure Wlad's style isn't for everyone but regardless of style his record speaks for itself and it is a great one. Lots of fighters suffer losses at the ends of their careers, very few rebound from losses to become great.

I've not hated on Mayweather 1 bit, I just imply he's not like a few of the old timers and I catch hell...why? Again I don't know, I call the guy great but apparently it's not enough for a few of his fans. I'm not one of the guys saying Floyd is garbage...I'm saying the guy is great and still it's not enough, so fuck those dudes.

Lyle i am not talking about you i been on this forum for fucking long time and i have never seen this amount of shit in few days span ever its ridiculous. I mean this is sherdog bad are we going to be as bad as a mma site my god how we have fallen from the clouds were is cut and saddo when you need them and few others that i miss as well even miles i think kinda lost it a tad. I mean i just don't get why this forum which been posting on for ever has gone to shit in a few days over this one fucking fight dear god help boxing.

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Originally Posted by cyclone

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Originally Posted by Freedom

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Originally Posted by TigerFan

When did Saddo turn into Eastsideboxing/Boxingscene :confused:

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I regret making this thread.

The idea of a white boxers being "great" is very upsetting to black supremacists like cyclone and p4pking, since they deeply believe only black boxers can ever be great and all non-black boxers are inferior.

Perhaps the mods should lock this thread.

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YOU are the one that feels Black fighters are superior....hence your constant state of butt-hurtness.;D

It fucks with you that Vlad will NEVER be on the level of those great Black heavies.

Vlad got blasted unconscious by losers that couldn't topple Ali's spit bucket and Vitali QUIT because an Ex middleweight was WALKING HIM DOWN and ROCKING his sorry ass.

Don't give me that shit about an injury because he was throwing with both hands all night.

Even if he were hurt that was still no excuse to quit.

Ali had a broken jaw...he didn't quit.
Floyd didn't let a shoulder injury punk him out.
Kirkland tore his shoulder to shreds...yet he didn't BITCH OUT like a foreign robot.

The Klits lack toughness and heart...typical..

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In what universe does any of this post make sense?

Anybody fighting on with those fucking injuries they either were bareable or they're a fucking idiot! Probably why they reigned so long, cause they looked after their health.

"Walked down by a middleweight", well Byrd was a HW when Vitali fought him and Vitali won nearly every single round. Quite the walkdown that one! lol

Wlad is technically and record speaking already beyond the level of those black heavies, look at him!

Vitali became a 1-handed fighter at the end of Byrd fight and that was a pretty sound excuse really. (Although I do agree he should never have quit against Byrd.)

Wlad was sparked out by 2 fighters who would have both KO'd Ali easily, and by 1 other fighter who Ali might have been able to beat by UD!

It isn't racist at all, some ppl like all kinds of boxers. Nobody would deny Lennox Lewis is among the greatest right? But BLACKS DO deny Wladimir based on that (not always but there is a high percentage that do.)

I've never seen the same level of racial disrespect coming from the Caucasian community toward black fighters.

Once again you have exposed yourself as a complete fool!

And how can you say that Vitali lacked toughness, he engages in shootouts and punches the living shit out of all of his opponents, wtf! Even the 2 that scored victories over him he still beat the shit out of!

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Originally Posted by cyclone

Vitali QUIT because an Ex middleweight was WALKING HIM DOWN and ROCKING his sorry ass.

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Byrd's first pro fight was at light heavyweight in 1993 and his 4th fight in 1994 was at heavyweight. He fought Vitali in 2000.

Gennady Golovkin won Gold at light welterweight in the amateurs, but nobody calls him a "blown up light welterweight". Tomasz Adamek fought at welterweight in the amateurs. Even Wladimir Klitschko was in the "under 200" category for most of his amateur fights.

Billy Conn, considered one of Joe Louis' best wins, had his first pro fight at lightweight (135).

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Originally Posted by Freedom

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Originally Posted by cyclone

Vitali QUIT because an Ex middleweight was WALKING HIM DOWN and ROCKING his sorry ass.

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Byrd's first pro fight was at light heavyweight in 1993 and his 4th fight in 1994 was at heavyweight. He fought Vitali in 2000.

Gennady Golovkin won Gold at light welterweight in the amateurs, but nobody calls him a "blown up light welterweight". Tomasz Adamek fought at welterweight in the amateurs. Even Wladimir Klitschko was in the "under 200" category for most of his amateur fights.

Billy Conn, considered one of Joe Louis' best wins, had his first pro fight at lightweight (135).

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Yes let's not forget the great Billy Conn now! :D

This thread is comical. Cyclone is clearly just a racist retard. I don't know what the white man has done to him but I'd say he just blames white people for all his short comings.

Agree! Cyclone is scum!

Colour means very little in the ring. All punches hurt equally no matter the skin.

That's the great thing about boxing. It levels the playing field of all men!

i think we need to get back the original point of this thread which was wladimir explaining why eddie chambers is an all time great..

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Originally Posted by palmerq

i think we need to get back the original point of this thread which was wladimir explaining why eddie chambers is an all time great..

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Ask Max all about that;D

You meant the other way around..

Anyway why should we distrust Chamber's opinion?

There is good reason. By boosting Wlad he also boosts his own standing because he fought him.

But then Chamber's had a respectable career, knows boxing intimately and could very well be a good judge of such a thing.

This statement is very important, maybe Chambers, maybe not.. But..

"The ONLY reason the opponents of Wladimir Klitschko would not make it as "All Time Greats" is because they had the misfortune of existing in an era with a dominant champion who is just so unbelievably good at what he does, and wins all the time, that he left no chances for anybody else to really shine."

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"In an era which produced many "All Time Greats", those boxers may not have been REALLY that great because if they were then they would not have allowed many other boxers to shine so brightly!"

Lennox Lewis was an ATG. Mike Tyson was an ATG. Mike was firmly established only after another ATG (Holmes) was past it. Mike let no other fighter shine at the time he did his work to be established as an ATG. Buster beat him but was not an ATG and that began his slide. Enter Holyfield, another ATG. Holyfield's achievements which led to his ATG status did in fact overlap Lewis's. And a lot of that has to do with his CW career, his HW record is only 26-10!

Same as Vitali and Wladimir who are definitely ATG's, their reigns overlapping for obvious reasons too. This is typical.

1 ATG established in Mikes era,
2 in the 90's, early 00's
2 in the mid 00's to mid 10's.

There's nothing unusual about Wlad's opponents not making it to ATG status in the presence of dominant champs.

So I think Chambers is as good a judge of that as anybody!

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Originally Posted by Max Power

You meant the other way around..

Anyway why should we distrust Chamber's opinion?

There is good reason. By boosting Wlad he also boosts his own standing because he fought him.

But then Chamber's had a respectable career, knows boxing intimately and could very well be a good judge of such a thing.

This statement is very important, maybe Chambers, maybe not.. But..

"The ONLY reason the opponents of Wladimir Klitschko would not make it as "All Time Greats" is because they had the misfortune of existing in an era with a dominant champion who is just so unbelievably good at what he does, and wins all the time, that he left no chances for anybody else to really shine."

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"In an era which produced many "All Time Greats", those boxers may not have been REALLY that great because if they were then they would not have allowed many other boxers to shine so brightly!"

Lennox Lewis was an ATG. Mike Tyson was an ATG. Mike was firmly established only after another ATG (Holmes) was past it. Mike let no other fighter shine at the time he did his work to be established as an ATG. Buster beat him but was not an ATG and that began his slide. Enter Holyfield, another ATG. Holyfield's achievements which led to his ATG status did in fact overlap Lewis's. And a lot of that has to do with his CW career, his HW record is only 26-10!

Same as Vitali and Wladimir who are definitely ATG's, their reigns overlapping for obvious reasons too. This is typical.

1 ATG established in Mikes era,
2 in the 90's, early 00's
2 in the mid 00's to mid 10's.

There's nothing unusual about Wlad's opponents not making it to ATG status in the presence of dominant champs.

So I think Chambers is as good a judge of that as anybody!

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Just to support Chambers being a good judge, he is been on the boxnation panel quite a lot recently and comes across very knowledgeable. I believe he would make will excellent pundit after his boxing career is finished.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by p4pking

That's awesome that you hate Paul Spadafora though Lyle, do you also have a black friend? Man I had you all wrong:rolleyes:. Gtfo with that shit.

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Oh for fucks sake did you not see anyone called a neo-nazi just now for even saying Wlad is good? Miss that? And yes there are people who are critical of Floyd Mayweather but the people who say he is great but just not the greatest are treated exactly the same not seen that either?

Also 0 times...0 times has anyone ever implied that a poster liked a fighter for the sole purpose of being black....it's almost as if blacks couldn't be racist when cheering for a fighter.


If your view of me has changed fine but I'm not taking constant racial abuse from posters

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Black people can never be racist. Only white people and white people only have that trait. ;D

Damn, I have to say this place has become troll central.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

How the hell did this become about race yet again?


Wlad could be transparent, with black extremities, white torso, red hair, and a yellow and purple polka-dotted face. He's still not an ATG, IMO. For several reasons:


1. He hasn't faced a decent challenger in years.
2. He was KTFO'ed three times in his earlier years, knockouts that went mostly unavenged.
3. These KTFO losses came at the hands of fighters of little reknown otherwise.
4. He's not above fouling in the worst way, to save his brittle chin. Even if it means stinking up the ring with clinching and mauling tactics. For this he mostly gets a free pass from the ref.
5. He hasn't had that "epic" fight, where he has to get off the canvas or come back to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.




I could give a shit what color and nationality he is.
He's as boring as drying paint.
And if he doesn't care, neither do I.

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You can thank cyclone for bringing up race.

1. Ok I guess all those undefeated fighters he beat don't mean much.
2. He probably also lost a few as an amateur too, want to be a dear and go dig those up? The point is how he has recovered when his career was once on the line...and now he's 10 years unbeaten and a dominant champion. He avenged the loss to Brewster, Corrie Sanders is now sadly deceased, and Ross Purrity is retired (I think) but that fight happened when Wlad was in his early 20's. How many defeats did Mike Tyson avenge? Yeah, that's what I thought
3. Buster Douglas was well known, Oliver McCall, Hasim Rahman?
4. It's only a foul if the ref calls it
5. Get off the canvas to win....hmm I seem to recall Wlad beating Sam Peter having been knocked down 3 times....but that doesn't count because???

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Ok... we both agree this is "race-less". Beyond that...

1. Undefeated and still carrying a load of shit in your trunks on the way to the ring still doesn't mean much. Don't try to pass off Wlad's opposition as anything more than assorted trash. It won't work.

2. No need to dig anything up. The point still stands. Your comparison to Tyson holds no water. After Tyson's defeat at the hands of Douglas, it was mostly downhill from there. Wlad has been champion for a long time.

3. Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman are better known than Ross Purrity and Lamont Brewster. You won't agree 'cause it doesn't fit your agenda.

4. Typical answer. If it was Wlad getting fouled, you'd be screaming bloody murder.

5. Ahh... yes... Klitschko-Peter. Mentioned in boxing circles right along with Ali-Frazier, Norton-Holmes, Lewis-Vitali. What a fucking classic!!

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Ok... we both agree this is "race-less". Beyond that...

1. Undefeated and still carrying a load of shit in your trunks on the way to the ring still doesn't mean much. Don't try to pass off Wlad's opposition as anything more than assorted trash. It won't work.

2. No need to dig anything up. The point still stands. Your comparison to Tyson holds no water. After Tyson's defeat at the hands of Douglas, it was mostly downhill from there. Wlad has been champion for a long time.

3. Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman are better known than Ross Purrity and Lamont Brewster. You won't agree 'cause it doesn't fit your agenda.

4. Typical answer. If it was Wlad getting fouled, you'd be screaming bloody murder.

5. Ahh... yes... Klitschko-Peter. Mentioned in boxing circles right along with Ali-Frazier, Norton-Holmes, Lewis-Vitali. What a fucking classic!!

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1. Fine whatever, I forget that 100% of contenders all previous heavyweight champions fought were hall of famers

2. My comparison to Tyson holds a lot of water but you're looking at it from the angle of "Tyson was washed up" and not "Wladimir learned from his mistakes to become a better fighter", Tyson never learned, he did 1 thing he did it well but when he got in with a fighter who could counter what he did he lost. Maybe it was lack of training and cocaine but you look at Wladimir and tell me where's the motivation for Wlad to stay fit? Where's the motivation for him to train as hard as he does? But I suppose that's not important at all, doesn't fit your agenda all that well.

3. Rahman and McCall are better known because they picked off a fighter in/approaching his absolute PRIME

4. Wlad has been fouled NUMEROUS times he just decides to deal with it like an adult.

5. You said "Wlad hasn't had to get off the canvas to win", I corrected you and because you continue to be such a fucking cunt I'm going to block you as well.


Have a good one

Wlad may become an ATG if he carries on defending and defeating all challengers he can only beat what is in front of him over 10 years. That consistency needs to be recognised because many fighters have failed to do that.

I am normally a fan of Wlad but the Povetkin fight really put me off and makes it hard to defend that performance and consider him an ATG.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Ok... we both agree this is "race-less". Beyond that...

1. Undefeated and still carrying a load of shit in your trunks on the way to the ring still doesn't mean much. Don't try to pass off Wlad's opposition as anything more than assorted trash. It won't work.

2. No need to dig anything up. The point still stands. Your comparison to Tyson holds no water. After Tyson's defeat at the hands of Douglas, it was mostly downhill from there. Wlad has been champion for a long time.

3. Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman are better known than Ross Purrity and Lamont Brewster. You won't agree 'cause it doesn't fit your agenda.

4. Typical answer. If it was Wlad getting fouled, you'd be screaming bloody murder.

5. Ahh... yes... Klitschko-Peter. Mentioned in boxing circles right along with Ali-Frazier, Norton-Holmes, Lewis-Vitali. What a fucking classic!!

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1. Fine whatever, I forget that 100% of contenders all previous heavyweight champions fought were hall of famers

2. My comparison to Tyson holds a lot of water but you're looking at it from the angle of "Tyson was washed up" and not "Wladimir learned from his mistakes to become a better fighter", Tyson never learned, he did 1 thing he did it well but when he got in with a fighter who could counter what he did he lost. Maybe it was lack of training and cocaine but you look at Wladimir and tell me where's the motivation for Wlad to stay fit? Where's the motivation for him to train as hard as he does? But I suppose that's not important at all, doesn't fit your agenda all that well.

3. Rahman and McCall are better known because they picked off a fighter in/approaching his absolute PRIME

4. Wlad has been fouled NUMEROUS times he just decides to deal with it like an adult.

5. You said "Wlad hasn't had to get off the canvas to win", I corrected you and because you continue to be such a fucking cunt I'm going to block you as well.


Have a good one

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So let me see if I got this straight. One who disagrees with you is a fucking cunt. Interesting. And here I was further up in your post getting set to agree with your assessment of how Wlad has stayed fit throughout his career and deserves kudos for that. But you're incapable of arguing like an adult, so all you deserve are the insults you normally get thrown your way. It's not like I was expecting anything else from you.


You too.

Tito being called a cunt by your fellow poster is a badge of honour here in Saddo world. You just got made. :)

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Originally Posted by Master

Tito being called a cunt by your fellow poster is a badge of honour here in Saddo world. You just got made. :)

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Is a fucking cunt then just a higher rank and an even better badge of honour?

Wlad clearly an all time great. You don't dominate a division for so long without being an all time great. Wlad has not ducked anyone like a lot of all time greats have. Put him in with any fighter of any era in his prime and he'd have a great chance.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

So let me see if I got this straight. One who disagrees with you is a fucking cunt. Interesting. And here I was further up in your post getting set to agree with your assessment of how Wlad has stayed fit throughout his career and deserves kudos for that. But you're incapable of arguing like an adult, so all you deserve are the insults you normally get thrown your way. It's not like I was expecting anything else from you.


You too.

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Not everyone who disagrees with me is a cunt. You act like a cunt by being generally dismissive of feats if ANYONE else accomplished you'd be all over celebrating how great the fighter was. You could have tried to reason out a response, you could have tried to support your stance with facts and evidence, but no, that's not your style, your style is to post this: "Don't try to pass off Wlad's opposition as anything more than assorted trash"....yeah that's some top shelf argument you have there. Here let me back my point up by being a generally dismissive asshole...that's what you did and so I've called you a cunt and I've blocked you because you offer NOTHING. You want to discuss something then discuss it but to be that fucking dismissive....not saying "well Mormeck didn't deserve a title shot, neither did Leapai" and backing up an argument that maybe had parts I might have agreed with makes you a cunt of a poster, yes you are a cunt, you argue like a cunt, you act like a cunt, and therefore you have been blocked.

You want to say "Wlad HAS stayed in shape" and just throw that little crumb out thinking it would appease me after you've just shat over 100% of his competition for his entire career.....Ken Norton always stayed in decent shape too but you didn't see that cocksucker successfully defending title vs anyone and everyone now fucking did you? Kimbo Slice is in good shape, how is he not a champion right now? Or does it actually take TALENT to achieve the kind of success Wladimir has enjoyed in the division? But you could never admit that could you? You and a few other posters are all too pleased to sit back and bitch about how Wladimir fights....well if what Wlad does is so easy and so simple then how about you hop your ass up into the ring and prove me wrong. Prove to me that it takes no talent to accomplish what Wladimir has done regardless of opponent. If you could find 62 High School kids not even AMATEUR boxers that you could beat in a boxing match and 52 by KO/TKO then MAYBE you could have a point but the truth of the matter is Wladimir Klitschko is an All-Time Great Heavyweight Champion of the World, his career proves it and all you do is type bullshit....so continue on with the bullshit I'm done with you (now that I have explained in detail why you're a cunt and why you no longer deserve my attention).

Dear Cyclone

STFU

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So let me see if I got this straight. One who disagrees with you is a fucking cunt. Interesting. And here I was further up in your post getting set to agree with your assessment of how Wlad has stayed fit throughout his career and deserves kudos for that. But you're incapable of arguing like an adult, so all you deserve are the insults you normally get thrown your way. It's not like I was expecting anything else from you.


You too.

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Not everyone who disagrees with me is a cunt. You act like a cunt by being generally dismissive of feats if ANYONE else accomplished you'd be all over celebrating how great the fighter was. You could have tried to reason out a response, you could have tried to support your stance with facts and evidence, but no, that's not your style, your style is to post this: "Don't try to pass off Wlad's opposition as anything more than assorted trash"....yeah that's some top shelf argument you have there. Here let me back my point up by being a generally dismissive asshole...that's what you did and so I've called you a cunt and I've blocked you because you offer NOTHING. You want to discuss something then discuss it but to be that fucking dismissive....not saying "well Mormeck didn't deserve a title shot, neither did Leapai" and backing up an argument that maybe had parts I might have agreed with makes you a cunt of a poster, yes you are a cunt, you argue like a cunt, you act like a cunt, and therefore you have been blocked.

You want to say "Wlad HAS stayed in shape" and just throw that little crumb out thinking it would appease me after you've just shat over 100% of his competition for his entire career.....Ken Norton always stayed in decent shape too but you didn't see that cocksucker successfully defending title vs anyone and everyone now fucking did you? Kimbo Slice is in good shape, how is he not a champion right now? Or does it actually take TALENT to achieve the kind of success Wladimir has enjoyed in the division? But you could never admit that could you? You and a few other posters are all too pleased to sit back and bitch about how Wladimir fights....well if what Wlad does is so easy and so simple then how about you hop your ass up into the ring and prove me wrong. Prove to me that it takes no talent to accomplish what Wladimir has done regardless of opponent. If you could find 62 High School kids not even AMATEUR boxers that you could beat in a boxing match and 52 by KO/TKO then MAYBE you could have a point but the truth of the matter is Wladimir Klitschko is an All-Time Great Heavyweight Champion of the World, his career proves it and all you do is type bullshit....so continue on with the bullshit I'm done with you (now that I have explained in detail why you're a cunt and why you no longer deserve my attention).

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#1 - You claimed to have blocked me a post earlier back, yet here you are again, reading my stuff and throwing insults my way. BTW, it's "ignored". Blocked is something only mods can do. Thank God your moronic self doesn't have those powers. And if you're going to ignore me, get on with it and quit promising to do it like a prepubescent high school kid.

#2 - Excuse me if I don't go throw myself off the nearest bridge over your insults and childish promises of blocking. Anyone who puts himself into a self-imposed exile over the harmless Miles, and threatens not to come back unless he stays away, is not to be taken too seriously.

#3 - I've been here long enough to know that you try to pass yourself off as some kind of smooth, accomplished, mature, bourbon-sipping Southerner, when in actually you're nothing more than an ignorant yahoo, lashing out in anger at anything that doesn't fit your agenda. You're the typical ugly American, the type that foreigners look down their noses at. But that's another story.

#4 - PLEASE go through with your "ignoring" threat. I've had enough scraps with you to know I do not enjoy your backward thinking. You're not worth the trouble.

#5 - Finally and most important… other people on here dump on Wlad like he stole their lunch money, and you hardly raise a word of protest. I do it and you resort to your moronic insults. So how about you take all of your childish insults and shove them right up your fucking ass.

But back to Wlad.

Regardless of how many calluses you may have in the back of your throat courtesy of Wladimir Klitschko, the fact of the matter remains that Wlad is hugely unpopular in the United States. Why? Anyone with at least half a brain, which excludes you, of course, knows that it's because Wlad fights like a scared little girl. He'll foul, he'll grapple, he'll make the fight as ugly as he possibly can. All while fighting in terror of getting his brittle chin touched. I don't give a flying fuck how many title defenses he's had. They've mostly been inferior opposition… and the fights themselves have been mostly forgettable. And nothing your white ignorant ass can say will ever change that fact. You can even hold your breath until you turn blue, like a little kid. It doesn't change facts. Most people are dying for Wlad to retire, so the division can return to being a competitive, exciting division with guys going for the knockout and providing real action to the fans. You defend every one of Wlad's fights, which absolutely proves my point of how much of a biased moron you are.

Dumb fuck...

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

But back to Wlad.

Regardless of how many calluses you may have in the back of your throat courtesy of Wladimir Klitschko, the fact of the matter remains that Wlad is hugely unpopular in the United States. Why? Anyone with at least half a brain, which excludes you, of course, knows that it's because Wlad fights like a scared little girl. He'll foul, he'll grapple, he'll make the fight as ugly as he possibly can. All while fighting in terror of getting his brittle chin touched. I don't give a flying fuck how many title defenses he's had. They've mostly been inferior opposition… and the fights themselves have been mostly forgettable. And nothing your white ignorant ass can say will ever change that fact. You can even hold your breath until you turn blue, like a little kid. It doesn't change facts. Most people are dying for Wlad to retire, so the division can return to being a competitive, exciting division with guys going for the knockout and providing real action to the fans. You defend every one of Wlad's fights, which absolutely proves my point of how much of a biased moron you are.

Dumb fuck...

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Mayweather is defense-first, yet he's popular. Ward and Hopkins hold a lot, so did Ali. Jack Johnson had a low KO ratio and an very defensive style. The name of the game is "hit and not be hit".

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

So let me see if I got this straight. One who disagrees with you is a fucking cunt. Interesting. And here I was further up in your post getting set to agree with your assessment of how Wlad has stayed fit throughout his career and deserves kudos for that. But you're incapable of arguing like an adult, so all you deserve are the insults you normally get thrown your way. It's not like I was expecting anything else from you.


You too.

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Not everyone who disagrees with me is a cunt. You act like a cunt by being generally dismissive of feats if ANYONE else accomplished you'd be all over celebrating how great the fighter was. You could have tried to reason out a response, you could have tried to support your stance with facts and evidence, but no, that's not your style, your style is to post this: "Don't try to pass off Wlad's opposition as anything more than assorted trash"....yeah that's some top shelf argument you have there. Here let me back my point up by being a generally dismissive asshole...that's what you did and so I've called you a cunt and I've blocked you because you offer NOTHING. You want to discuss something then discuss it but to be that fucking dismissive....not saying "well Mormeck didn't deserve a title shot, neither did Leapai" and backing up an argument that maybe had parts I might have agreed with makes you a cunt of a poster, yes you are a cunt, you argue like a cunt, you act like a cunt, and therefore you have been blocked.

You want to say "Wlad HAS stayed in shape" and just throw that little crumb out thinking it would appease me after you've just shat over 100% of his competition for his entire career.....Ken Norton always stayed in decent shape too but you didn't see that cocksucker successfully defending title vs anyone and everyone now fucking did you? Kimbo Slice is in good shape, how is he not a champion right now? Or does it actually take TALENT to achieve the kind of success Wladimir has enjoyed in the division? But you could never admit that could you? You and a few other posters are all too pleased to sit back and bitch about how Wladimir fights....well if what Wlad does is so easy and so simple then how about you hop your ass up into the ring and prove me wrong. Prove to me that it takes no talent to accomplish what Wladimir has done regardless of opponent. If you could find 62 High School kids not even AMATEUR boxers that you could beat in a boxing match and 52 by KO/TKO then MAYBE you could have a point but the truth of the matter is Wladimir Klitschko is an All-Time Great Heavyweight Champion of the World, his career proves it and all you do is type bullshit....so continue on with the bullshit I'm done with you (now that I have explained in detail why you're a cunt and why you no longer deserve my attention).

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I once was a "fucking cunt" too, Tito.


But, now Lyle and I are cunts in arms!


Time heals all wounds and I believe you two will settle your differences in the future.


There's a handful of true cunts around here that us run of the mill cunts need to align ourselves against and be careful not to fall victim to their cuntiness.

I've lost count of all the Klits and the cunts, and this is the only place I have ever had that problem btw ;D

Dammit!

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Originally Posted by Freedom

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

But back to Wlad.

Regardless of how many calluses you may have in the back of your throat courtesy of Wladimir Klitschko, the fact of the matter remains that Wlad is hugely unpopular in the United States. Why? Anyone with at least half a brain, which excludes you, of course, knows that it's because Wlad fights like a scared little girl. He'll foul, he'll grapple, he'll make the fight as ugly as he possibly can. All while fighting in terror of getting his brittle chin touched. I don't give a flying fuck how many title defenses he's had. They've mostly been inferior opposition… and the fights themselves have been mostly forgettable. And nothing your white ignorant ass can say will ever change that fact. You can even hold your breath until you turn blue, like a little kid. It doesn't change facts. Most people are dying for Wlad to retire, so the division can return to being a competitive, exciting division with guys going for the knockout and providing real action to the fans. You defend every one of Wlad's fights, which absolutely proves my point of how much of a biased moron you are.

Dumb fuck...

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Mayweather is defense-first, yet he's popular. Ward and Hopkins hold a lot, so did Ali. Jack Johnson had a low KO ratio and an very defensive style. The name of the game is "hit and not be hit".

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There's a difference, Freedom. Floyd may be defense first. But he routinely puts on boxing exhibitions, and to boxing purists is fun to watch. Wlad knows his Achilles heel is his fragile chin, and acts like he's all too aware of it in the ring. The name of the game may be "hit and not be hit". But put Usain Bolt in the ring and have him run away from any contact, and you'll soon have a ring pelted with all kinds of projectiles. Wlad doesn't run away... but he employs whatever tactics are at his disposal, legal and otherwise, to protect his chin. From a pure boxing point of view, it's ugly.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

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Originally Posted by Freedom

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

But back to Wlad.

Regardless of how many calluses you may have in the back of your throat courtesy of Wladimir Klitschko, the fact of the matter remains that Wlad is hugely unpopular in the United States. Why? Anyone with at least half a brain, which excludes you, of course, knows that it's because Wlad fights like a scared little girl. He'll foul, he'll grapple, he'll make the fight as ugly as he possibly can. All while fighting in terror of getting his brittle chin touched. I don't give a flying fuck how many title defenses he's had. They've mostly been inferior opposition… and the fights themselves have been mostly forgettable. And nothing your white ignorant ass can say will ever change that fact. You can even hold your breath until you turn blue, like a little kid. It doesn't change facts. Most people are dying for Wlad to retire, so the division can return to being a competitive, exciting division with guys going for the knockout and providing real action to the fans. You defend every one of Wlad's fights, which absolutely proves my point of how much of a biased moron you are.

Dumb fuck...

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Mayweather is defense-first, yet he's popular. Ward and Hopkins hold a lot, so did Ali. Jack Johnson had a low KO ratio and an very defensive style. The name of the game is "hit and not be hit".

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There's a difference, Freedom. Floyd may be defense first. But he routinely puts on boxing exhibitions, and to boxing purists is fun to watch. Wlad knows his Achilles heel is his fragile chin, and acts like he's all too aware of it in the ring. The name of the game may be "hit and not be hit". But put Usain Bolt in the ring and have him run away from any contact, and you'll soon have a ring pelted with all kinds of projectiles. Wlad doesn't run away... but he employs whatever tactics are at his disposal, legal and otherwise, to protect his chin. From a pure boxing point of view, it's ugly.

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Truth

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Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe

Wlad clearly an all time great. You don't dominate a division for so long without being an all time great. Wlad has not ducked anyone like a lot of all time greats have. Put him in with any fighter of any era in his prime and he'd have a great chance.

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Vlad has been KTFO in the weakest era EVER...he'd be a sitting duck in the more competitive eras.

That trash is hardly an ATG.

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Originally Posted by cyclone

Vlad has been KTFO in the weakest era EVER...he'd be a sitting duck in the more competitive eras.

That trash is hardly an ATG.

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Go troll somewhere else troll