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With stable people in his corner he seemed to be OK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
Tyson was a very sensitive and emotional guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminGeorge was not very stable tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
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Big george ko4.
Nah, and again you are somehow trying to compare Frazier to Tyson and some king of evidence and it simply does not wash. I guess he could win I mean its a fight but more likely then not he'd look like a blind man in a packed shopping mall w/o a cane or dog. In theory I suppose Gerry Cooney could beat him also but not likely. In addition saying Foreman is to big and to powerful is like saying Primo Carnera was to big and to powerful for Max Baer or that Sammy Langford was to small to be fighting over 160. His size would simply not be a factor in this particular fight and he's the rinse and repeat fighter in the match not Tyson. I see no possible way Foreman wins this. Shame we dont have a time machine.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MANForeman fought Lyle in 1976. we're talking about Foreman from January 1973? It's true Tyson was formidable in his prime, but what was his prime? 1986-1989? Tyson's prime was a relatively short timespan and was effectively done before he was 24yrs old. Frazier was a seasoned professional fighter with 8 years professional experience before fighting Foreman and he was made to look like a fool by big George. Every time Frazier tired to explode underneath he was pushed away with ease. Foreman of January 1973 v Tyson of 1987 still goes the same way, Foreman is too big and simply to powerful for Mike Tyson.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitYou are both talking about a shattered Tyson and looking at how it ended and not at his peak as a fighter. Making a big deal about Lewis beating that shell is like making one over Marciano/Louis or Tarver stopping Roy.Tyson was already a basket case before he fought Douglas. Guys like Tucker and Smith hugged Mike to death. They never had a strategy outside of survival. Not sure what this Foreman jab you are talking about in 1973 is. He had a much better jab in 1987 and was even faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodI agree. A good jab bothered Tyson as evidenced in his fights vs Lewis, Douglas and Holyfield. Big men also bothered Tyson as evidenced in his fights vs Douglas, Tucker and Lewis. George was a big guy with a punishing jab. Once he starts manhandling Mike it is all she wrote. Tyson mentally breaks n is done by the 10th round.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Joe Frazier had a left hook and bobbed and weaved. Tyson was a two handed fighter who took bobbing and weaving to an entirely different level and was much, much faster then Frazier. Foreman was slower in 73 then the second coming of Christ. I like Ron Lyle but Foreman went life and death with him and if Tyson put him down like Lyle did he would finish the job. Foremans lumbering octopus routine would not work with the prime Tyson. Mike would explode underneath and Foreman would not know what hit him and they would be concussive and multiple.
George Foreman is simply not getting knocked out. He went down from sheer exhaustion against Ali. Thats all it was. He threw 1000 punches in 8 rounds against a rope a doping slickster. Mike Tyson is coming straight in and George will take his head off with uppercut. I say uppercut because all he will need is ONE. I just watched Mitch Green land countless uppercuts on a prime 1986 Tyson. Buzzed him once or twice, though Green had shit power. Big George would take Tyson's head clean off with one Texas Uppercut.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitNah, and again you are somehow trying to compare Frazier to Tyson and some king of evidence and it simply does not wash. I guess he could win I mean its a fight but more likely then not he'd look like a blind man in a packed shopping mall w/o a cane or dog. In theory I suppose Gerry Cooney could beat him also but not likely. In addition saying Foreman is to big and to powerful is like saying Primo Carnera was to big and to powerful for Max Baer or that Sammy Langford was to small to be fighting over 160. His size would simply not be a factor in this particular fight and he's the rinse and repeat fighter in the match not Tyson. I see no possible way Foreman wins this. Shame we dont have a time machine.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MANForeman fought Lyle in 1976. we're talking about Foreman from January 1973? It's true Tyson was formidable in his prime, but what was his prime? 1986-1989? Tyson's prime was a relatively short timespan and was effectively done before he was 24yrs old. Frazier was a seasoned professional fighter with 8 years professional experience before fighting Foreman and he was made to look like a fool by big George. Every time Frazier tired to explode underneath he was pushed away with ease. Foreman of January 1973 v Tyson of 1987 still goes the same way, Foreman is too big and simply to powerful for Mike Tyson.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitYou are both talking about a shattered Tyson and looking at how it ended and not at his peak as a fighter. Making a big deal about Lewis beating that shell is like making one over Marciano/Louis or Tarver stopping Roy.Tyson was already a basket case before he fought Douglas. Guys like Tucker and Smith hugged Mike to death. They never had a strategy outside of survival. Not sure what this Foreman jab you are talking about in 1973 is. He had a much better jab in 1987 and was even faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodI agree. A good jab bothered Tyson as evidenced in his fights vs Lewis, Douglas and Holyfield. Big men also bothered Tyson as evidenced in his fights vs Douglas, Tucker and Lewis. George was a big guy with a punishing jab. Once he starts manhandling Mike it is all she wrote. Tyson mentally breaks n is done by the 10th round.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Joe Frazier had a left hook and bobbed and weaved. Tyson was a two handed fighter who took bobbing and weaving to an entirely different level and was much, much faster then Frazier. Foreman was slower in 73 then the second coming of Christ. I like Ron Lyle but Foreman went life and death with him and if Tyson put him down like Lyle did he would finish the job. Foremans lumbering octopus routine would not work with the prime Tyson. Mike would explode underneath and Foreman would not know what hit him and they would be concussive and multiple.
The comparisons of Tyson and Frazier are because of the tactics used by Foreman to push himself out of danger and push Joe into the ropes where Foreman could trap him. Also Joe Frazier was the undefeated, undisputed heavyweight champion of the world at the time who just beat Ali and George hammered the hell out of him. Frazier was about the same size as Tyson as well 6'0 214 vs Tyson's 5'10 218 (vs Spinks). George had slow-ish hands...people act like his punches were thrown at a glacial pace, NO his punches always had power on them but they weren't slower than the average heavyweights' punches. Tyson had fast hands? Yeah sure, his speed was part of his power...it was that kind of Shane Mosley power. The power knocks you for a loop only after the speed has caught you completely off guard. People make a big deal about Tyson's chin, but shit George's chin was pretty fucking solid as well...only KO'd 1 time, 1 time!!!
Joe Fraizer was a one armed, one eyed fighter with a big heart and very very good power.
Very different to Tyson.
I keep going round in circles ;D very tough one to call.
Based on styles, prime Tyson beats first version of Foreman. But Foreman number two takes out the bully boy.
A Tucker and Green uppercut and Bonecrusher right hand is all you got and the only reason they are mentioned was because Tyson was rarely caught because he had a great defence and was hard to hit clean. Tyson took those punches and came back immediately. Tyson took the bombs of Ruddock.
Frazier was really finished at the top level after the brutal war with Ali and was stylistically perfect for George to beat. Tyson was faster and more elusive and yes he was finished by 24 years age.
Also Tyson could not be intimidated then he was too good to worry about mind games. Tyson KO 2 rounds ala Berbick. :)
oh now Master dont you tell me you see Big George twirling around the ring rolling and rolling the way Berbick did :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
No but you never know. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustoh now Master dont you tell me you see Big George twirling around the ring rolling and rolling the way Berbick did :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
anything can happenQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterNo but you never know. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustoh now Master dont you tell me you see Big George twirling around the ring rolling and rolling the way Berbick did :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master