Re: Has Wlad whipped more undefeated fighters than anyone?
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If people from other eras lived in this coddled one most of them would be undefeated also. People laugh at other hev eras and then try to justify this one.
Its incredible to me that it took the champion of the world to expose this three toed sloth. And look at the stellar lineup that the next possible WBC champ has faced. And should Wlad beat that hand fed puppet it will go down as the biggest thing since Ali/Frazier 1.
In the end history judges what you accomplished in the era you fought in. The "0" especially in this era of heavyweights is false advertisement.
Wlad does not have one opponent on his lodge pole that will even make it to the ballet in the HOF.
Most of his opponents will be viewed and rightly so as just that, opponents.
Wlad through no fault of his own, has dominated mediocrity. That is not an opinion. That is a fact.
i totally agree but im not sure he has dominated in the true sense of the word
the word dominate suggest a much more masterful agressive forward thinking approach
wlads style is dull and unconvincing and he is given a lot of reason by the referees and officials due to the crowds and money he attracts
there arent many other fighters using his style would be allowed to get away with it
Well he has not lost in what, 10, 11 years? Dominant no albeit not pretty. Locche dominated and so did Pep. Floyd has dominated with his safety first style. Wlad fights ugly to me and even against that lamp post he fought Saturday he punched and then grabbed. It truly is a mess of a division. Its always been a tad weak.
I agree overall on his style and it might be the reason he has never really been accepted in certain quarters. He never even gets warned. Its not like they are hiding the fact that its part of his tool box.
Grant it the object of the game is to get hit and not get it. You cant blame him for not willing to fight Bowe/Holy type wars. He's not going to stick his jello chin out and yack at his opponents like Ali. The grappling ruins it for me though. He does not even attempt to use the ring. Sure its up to the opponent to solve the puzzle on how to get to him which entails grinding it out and getting underneath but that is not allowed either by the ref or Wlads grabbing. He's a set of drapes.
He dominates like Canada/Usa women dominate hockey. Same field of play.
Re: Has Wlad whipped more undefeated fighters than anyone?
10 years, 21 fights, 15 KO's, 17 consecutive successful title defenses
What more does he have to do to be considered "dominant"? He holds too much? Is that ever said of Hopkins, Ward, Mayweather? Those guys don't have HALF the KO% Wlad has but they all fight with a similar mind for defense/caginess. Wlad just knocked out an undefeated fighter everyone THOUGHT was going to do well....well now that he's been KO'd Pulev is looked at like some kind of fraud and that's unfair to him because he IS a skilled fighter. Pulev is a good boxer, but good doesn't beat GREAT and Wladimir is an All-Time Great you may not like it but you better learn to WHAT????
LOVE IT
Because Wladimir Klitschko is the best thing going today! WOOO!
Re: Has Wlad whipped more undefeated fighters than anyone?
You don't think people from other generations were coddled? Especially with the mafia running shit?
Look at all the bums Joe Louis fought. I'd take Wlad's opposition over Louis' any day.
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10 years, 21 fights, 15 KO's, 17 consecutive successful title defenses
What more does he have to do to be considered "dominant"? He holds too much? Is that ever said of Hopkins, Ward, Mayweather? Those guys don't have HALF the KO% Wlad has but they all fight with a similar mind for defense/caginess. Wlad just knocked out an undefeated fighter everyone THOUGHT was going to do well....well now that he's been KO'd Pulev is looked at like some kind of fraud and that's unfair to him because he IS a skilled fighter. Pulev is a good boxer, but good doesn't beat GREAT and Wladimir is an All-Time Great you may not like it but you better learn to WHAT????
LOVE IT
Because Wladimir Klitschko is the best thing going today! WOOO!
Peter, provetkin he should have been dq'd
amongst others
His record is money
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You don't think people from other generations were coddled? Especially with the mafia running shit?
Look at all the bums Joe Louis fought. I'd take Wlad's opposition over Louis' any day.
Lewis's best weapons were punches
Re: Has Wlad whipped more undefeated fighters than anyone?
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erics44
Peter, provetkin he should have been dq'd
amongst others
His record is money
Hahaha pathetic
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El Kabong
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erics44
Peter, provetkin he should have been dq'd
amongst others
His record is money
Hahaha pathetic
Ha first time you haven't called me ginger when you've had no other comeback :)
Re: Has Wlad whipped more undefeated fighters than anyone?
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erics44
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El Kabong
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erics44
Peter, provetkin he should have been dq'd
amongst others
His record is money
Hahaha pathetic
Ha first time you haven't called me ginger when you've had no other comeback :)
What's there to come back to? You're saying 100% of the refs Wladimir Klitschko has had in the ring with him are either on the take OR are too stupid to do a proper job and that is a claim that is so frivolous that it is a testament to how absolutely mental you must be to believe such bullshit....ergo no "comeback"
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El Kabong
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erics44
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El Kabong
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erics44
Peter, provetkin he should have been dq'd
amongst others
His record is money
Hahaha pathetic
Ha first time you haven't called me ginger when you've had no other comeback :)
What's there to come back to? You're saying 100% of the refs Wladimir Klitschko has had in the ring with him are either on the take OR are too stupid to do a proper job and that is a claim that is so frivolous that it is a testament to how absolutely mental you must be to believe such bullshit....ergo no "comeback"
What I'm saying is it's absolutely clear as day he should have been dq'd in those two fights, provetkin in particular, there can be no argument
Why wasn't he? it's pretty obvious to me
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dominant.
dominant
My bad...
EXTREMELY DOMINANT.
Re: Has Wlad whipped more undefeated fighters than anyone?
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El Kabong
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erics44
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El Kabong
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erics44
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El Kabong
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erics44
Peter, provetkin he should have been dq'd
amongst others
His record is money
Hahaha pathetic
Ha first time you haven't called me ginger when you've had no other comeback :)
What's there to come back to? You're saying 100% of the refs Wladimir Klitschko has had in the ring with him are either on the take OR are too stupid to do a proper job and that is a claim that is so frivolous that it is a testament to how absolutely mental you must be to believe such bullshit....ergo no "comeback"
What I'm saying is it's absolutely clear as day he should have been dq'd in those two fights, provetkin in particular, there can be no argument
Why wasn't he? it's pretty obvious to me
And you have been a licensed professional boxing referee for how long now?
i just know the rules
and i reckon anyone who does know the rules, being honest with themselves they would at least be a bit suspicious about those fights
why was a fighter allowed the cheat to such an extreme during a fight?
its not just those two fights either, i just cant be bothered to check to see the extremes he went to in other fights
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Ok eric tell me this then how many high level title fights hell i go with hw titles has there been a dq for holding if you can answer that then you have some ground to stand on. I have never seen a hw be dqed for holding Ali and Holmes would be fucked if that happened as well as most champs to fight really.
Re: Has Wlad whipped more undefeated fighters than anyone?
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Ok eric tell me this then how many high level title fights hell i go with hw titles has there been a dq for holding if you can answer that then you have some ground to stand on. I have never seen a hw be dqed for holding Ali and Holmes would be fucked if that happened as well as most champs to fight really.
if you total the amount of times Ali held in all of his championship fights it wouldnt be as many times as wlad held in the first round against provetkin
other fighters bend the rules, hold, use elbows, heads, push, pull down
wlad is the extreme of the extremes, theres never been a fighter, never mind a champion anything like it before, there has been no precedent, his style can be compared to no one elses
the fight against provetkin was shocking, the second sam peter fight was at a similar level
Re: Has Wlad whipped more undefeated fighters than anyone?
Holmes has him tied.
Ray Mercer (18-0)
Carl Williams (16-0)
David Bey (14-0)
Marvis Frazier (10-0)
Scott Frank (20-0)
Tim Witherspoon (15-0)
Gerry Cooney (25-0)
Renaldo Snipes (22-0)
Leroy Jones (24-0)
Ossie Ocasio (13-0)
Kevin Isaac (2-0)
Wlad's opposition: 246-0 combined
Holmes' opposition: 179-0 combined
So I guess Wlad wins.
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Holmes had an era where there were a lot of young guys who jumped at the chance of fighting The Champ and it was a great thing because nobody could complain about anything other than the fighters being a bit green but still the fights got made, there were rematches if deserved, and Holmes dominated.
Wlad has had a hard time finding opponents, it took years for the Haye fight to happen, years for the Povetkin fight to happen, years for unification of the WBO, IBF, and WBA belts. Some heavyweights have suffered losses in that time when they were close to getting a title shot, like Arreola and Solis for example.
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Eric i think you are pretty biased against Wlad since he beat Haye i know you said you mad mony off a bet but since that fight all you done bitch about holding. I mean you never said a word about holding till after that fight about Wlad use to say he was a great heavy that could beat the 60's as well dude.
Re: Has Wlad whipped more undefeated fighters than anyone?
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Eric i think you are pretty biased against Wlad since he beat Haye i know you said you mad mony off a bet but since that fight all you done bitch about holding. I mean you never said a word about holding till after that fight about Wlad use to say he was a great heavy that could beat the 60's as well dude.
Fliipin nora, good memory about the bet, 25 euros on me mates stag do, I never really watched before tho, I started watching since and I thought fuk me this isn't boxing, how's he getting away with it, then it twigged
It will twig with you one day :)
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erics44
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Mr140
Eric i think you are pretty biased against Wlad since he beat Haye i know you said you mad mony off a bet but since that fight all you done bitch about holding. I mean you never said a word about holding till after that fight about Wlad use to say he was a great heavy that could beat the 60's as well dude.
Fliipin nora, good memory about the bet, 25 euros on me mates stag do, I never really watched before tho, I started watching since and I thought fuk me this isn't boxing, how's he getting away with it, then it twigged
It will twig with you one day :)
Or was it 35, I can't remember
