Re: Was the power of Earnie Shavers overrated?
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Spicoli
Its not the bummification of Williams, its simply the fact that a notorious puncher like Henry Akinwande was able to starch him with a single shot years earlier and Brian Nielson literally embarrassing him. The guy was near same weight as Shavers and showed shat stamina and a chin with the punch resistance of a Wal Mart bag full of light bulbs his entire career and between retirements. Great shot often talked about but certainly didn't make Peter the one punch ko artist he thought himself afterwards.
Power is indeed a virtue at heavy but lumping Foreman with a Tua, Shavers or even Peter is a stretch. As with Peter I think the Ruiz highlight ko was a back handed blessing for Tua. He got stuck on it and it turned out to be a one trick pony he always fell back on. Power without a delivery system, a set up, skill and discipline leaves you just throwing bricks with your eyes closed. Foreman early on had some caveman in him but damn sure developed all of the above and ran off another career with it. Tua was by all accounts the lil train that couldn't.
An off injury and rust covered Oleg Maskaev losing a trinket to Peter may be more of an indictment on the pimpification and pollution of trinkets falling out of gumball machines today rather than anything else. Are we making that Peters most significant ko while also disparaging Shavers ko of Norton with a straight face? Or would that be Jeremy Williams? Come on man ;D
Haha, that was a sharp as razor post there mate and you made some good points.
I fully agree the competition your up against negates power. Even for the best KOers of all time, the Klitschko's, Lennox and Tyson, their KO powers were reduced the higher quality the opposition they fought. Even if they did still KO them, it was pushed further into the later rounds.
Of course this is the case. I've no dispute there.
However, as glass jawed as Jeremy Williams was, you can't exactly detract too much from being wasted by guys like Akinwande or Peter because their power WAS proven at a higher level than Shavers was.
Of course you illustrated Ken Norton and drew the comparison with Oleg Maskaev and yeah sure, I realise the irony here, thanks for that. But I find it difficult to overturn Peter's career which was largely characterised by whacking out decent opponents left and right with Shavers who managed to stop early a washed up Ken Norton. Oleg Maskaev himself WAS a championship boxer at the time PEter fought him. Norton really wasn't.
On Geroge Foreman, I was actually referring to ONLY 70's Geroge, the one who could barely even box. Perhaps the least skilled of all champion boxers. He definitely DID learn how to box properly for his second career I agree but that was really a completely different fighter then.
Re: Was the power of Earnie Shavers overrated?
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Re: Was the power of Earnie Shavers overrated?
Re: Was the power of Earnie Shavers overrated?
John 'Tallarico' Girowski
"I sparred with everybody and anybody who was a 'name' Heavyweight.
And let me tell you, nobody hit harder than Earnie, nobody."
"Earnie's punches went right through your body. Your organs would be
messed up for weeks."
"I would put Earnie at #1. Both George Foreman and Roy 'Tiger' Williams
hit hard too, but not as hard as Earnie."
Re: Was the power of Earnie Shavers overrated?
So many fighters say Shavers hit hard and yet you deniers still can not accept it.
Re: Was the power of Earnie Shavers overrated?
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Master
So many fighters say Shavers hit hard and yet you deniers still can not accept it.
Because as i said, those guys never fought the klitchko brothers, lewis, and even david tua.
Shavers was a hard puncher for his size and during that era.
There are tons of guys who punches harder than him.
Re: Was the power of Earnie Shavers overrated?
Tex Cobb:"Larry Holmes doesn't hit as hard as Earnie Shavers. Nobody hits like Shavers. If anybody hit harder than Shavers, I'd shoot him.""Earnie Shavers could punch you in the neck and break your ankle."
Re: Was the power of Earnie Shavers overrated?
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brocktonblockbust
Tex Cobb:"Larry Holmes doesn't hit as hard as Earnie Shavers. Nobody hits like Shavers. If anybody hit harder than Shavers, I'd shoot him.""Earnie Shavers could punch you in the neck and break your ankle."
I guess in the year 2030 we will have to say Wlad doesn't punch hard...maybe he did back in the stone ages of 2012 when guys weren't 6'11 like today....;D
Re: Was the power of Earnie Shavers overrated?
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brocktonblockbust
Tex Cobb:"Larry Holmes doesn't hit as hard as Earnie Shavers. Nobody hits like Shavers. If anybody hit harder than Shavers, I'd shoot him.""Earnie Shavers could punch you in the neck and break your ankle."
I guess in the year 2030 we will have to say Wlad doesn't punch hard...maybe he did back in the stone ages of 2012 when guys weren't 6'11 like today....;D
There is a big difference.
Wladimir's power in this stone age was PROVEN against the biggest and the best!
In Earnies age, his power FAILED against the biggest and the best!
Remember it was you who told me that delivery is important is power assessment!
Re: Was the power of Earnie Shavers overrated?
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You owe me money if you want to quote my blog LOL ;)
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holmcall
you owe me money if you want to quote my blog lol ;)
how much?
Re: Was the power of Earnie Shavers overrated?
So much talk lately over a bum. Whether Earnie is the hardest puncher of all time, the 5th hardest puncher of all time, the 100th hardest puncher of all time, or whether he punched like a sissy, the fact remains... he was a bum, a never-was, a no chin, a no heart, a no stamina, never was a champ and never would have been regardless of what era he fought in. He's an interesting novelty but he doesn't deserve to be talked about so much.
Re: Was the power of Earnie Shavers overrated?
Earnie Shavers
Had 'perfect' hair.
There wasn't a single strand out of place.
* His Knockout of Kenny Norton was beautiful. 'Awesome destruction'
* He 'dislodged' Muhammad Ali's brain and ruined the man.
* He floored the 5th Greatest Heavyweight of All-Time. 'Larry Holmes'.
* He was the only human to floor and 'Knockout' > Roy 'Tiger' Williams.
* Devastating early KO's over 'highly regarded' Howard Smith and 'rock-jawed' Henry Clark.
* The only man to floor and Knockout 'Lil' Jimmy Young.
Shall we continue.
Re: Was the power of Earnie Shavers overrated?
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Beanflicker
So much talk lately over a bum. Whether Earnie is the hardest puncher of all time, the 5th hardest puncher of all time, the 100th hardest puncher of all time, or whether he punched like a sissy, the fact remains... he was a bum, a never-was, a no chin, a no heart, a no stamina, never was a champ and never would have been regardless of what era he fought in. He's an interesting novelty but he doesn't deserve to be talked about so much.
I am completely sick of it.
I swear @Bill Paxtom is going to pump up every single bum fight he ever had over the next few months as if it was the most stellar career ever.
Might as well start up one for Butterbean as well!
Hard puncher no worries.
There are probably a hundred guys in amateur gyms right NOW who could punch harder but they can't land any of that shit on a good opponent, just like Shavers most of the time, so it's a moot point.
The guy could barely even box for Christ sake!
Re: Was the power of Earnie Shavers overrated?
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Bill Paxtom
Earnie Shavers
Had 'perfect' hair.
You fool! lol
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There wasn't a single strand out of place.
* His Knockout of Kenny Norton was beautiful. 'Awesome destruction'
Yes it was, full credit to Earnie, fair is fair.
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* He 'dislodged' Muhammad Ali's brain and ruined the man.
Years upon years of using his head as a punching bag to tire out his opponents ruined the man, not the single shot from Earnie which failed to knock him even down.
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* He floored the 5th Greatest Heavyweight of All-Time. 'Larry Holmes'.
Subjective assessment of greatness, the Larry Holmes Shavers fought was basically a cruiser and inexperienced.
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* He was the only human to floor and 'Knockout' > Roy 'Tiger' Williams.
Even Ross Puritty, Perhaps the hardest chin that ever boxed was stopped once by a mediocre opponent (he finished on his feet still).
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* Devastating early KO's over 'highly regarded' Howard Smith and 'rock-jawed' Henry Clark.
Never heard of them either.
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* The only man to floor and Knockout 'Lil' Jimmy Young.
Bummy Cruiser. A further embarrassment to the golden era considering he beat the 2 top names of the golden era, Ali and Foreman, the house of cards wavers some more.
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Shall we continue.
I would rather not LOL
Re: Was the power of Earnie Shavers overrated?
Shavers was overrated because there so many fucking threads on him on hear my god. He could punch but his chin was worse then fucking Walds was and he had no stamina and heart was lacking as well. Is there a thing on him or something so much Shavers today my god.
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Earnie Shavers
Those who say he had no stamina and no heart, are completely wrong.
'Heart'
Earnie definitley had a heart.
'Stamina'
Earnie's problem was that he fought at 'Full-Speed' from the opening bell,
and tried to take out his opponent right away.
His problem, was that he failed in setting a proper pace for himself when he
could not get his opponent out of there early.
Re: Was the power of Earnie Shavers overrated?
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Beanflicker
So much talk lately over a bum. Whether Earnie is the hardest puncher of all time, the 5th hardest puncher of all time, the 100th hardest puncher of all time, or whether he punched like a sissy, the fact remains... he was a bum, a never-was, a no chin, a no heart, a no stamina, never was a champ and never would have been regardless of what era he fought in. He's an interesting novelty but he doesn't deserve to be talked about so much.
Holy shite! :o :o
Re: Was the power of Earnie Shavers overrated?
Earnie Shavers:
*Caused more blackouts than Con-Edison
*Knocked OUT Jimmy Ellis
*Knocked OUT Jimmy Young
*Knocked OUT Ken Norton
*Scared Joe Frazier and George Foreman from EVER fighting him (in their own words)
*Blasted Ali, Lyle, Norton, Holmes SO HARD, THEY ALL SAID HE HIT HARDER THAN ANYONE EVER
*Got ROBBED against Muhammad Ali
*Entertained boxing fans worldwide for nearly 20 years with exciting fights, 68 KOs
@Max Power wtf is wrong with that? YOu can't deal with it. :cool:
