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I take no joy in Muhammad Ali's illness.
But it was Muhammad's grasp for the spot-light that did him in. He couldn't walk away.
He thrived in Boxing, and Boxing is what did him in.
Larry Holmes >
"Muhammad thinks this is some kind of game, and a theatrical event. Well I'm no Japanese
Wrestler {Antonio Inoki} that is going to kick at his calves and ankles."
"I'm Larry Holmes, and I'm going to kick is ass."
That's why this remains one of my personal favorite KO's ever.
I only wish the punishment would've lasted a little longer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF2XyHJAXMc
:vd: ...and no one is saying that Ali deserves sympathy, just that he doesn't deserve to have an ignorant spectator like you gloating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom
Bullshit, your actions say otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom
Larry Holmes
"People always say to me, well you didn't knock out Muhammad. But my answer is,
I ruined him instead."
"There would be no real joy in Knocking him out in a Round or two. That way, he would
have gotten off Scott-Free."
"The beat down is always better. Because you can embarrass the guy Round after Round."
Regarding Holmes: Isn't it lovely we have technology at our disposal to review and critique modern day athletes? Some of you guys would be on a 24/7 bitch-fest if Dempsey's era had ESPN, Sports Illustrated, Boxingscene, Fightnews & friggin' Twitter to echo their every sentiment about not fighting this guy 'cause he's black or that guy cause I'm too pretty. Yeah Holmes didn't have a great attitude, so what.
Thank goodness we don't have footage of all of Benny Leonard to Lamotta's fights & post fight interviews. Based on what I'm reading here: their resume would be reduced to late-night talk show fodder-if we re-access their careers' they way we are doing Holmes'.
20 defenses in any era be it Tunney, Marciano, Holmes & even Wlad's is a testament to longevity & mastering one's craft. Holmes was a master of his craft, period.
Regarding Ali:
Ali took an almost American sport exclusively whose genesis in England- & made it global.
Looking @ who he struggled with and who beat him doesn't even fuck with what made him great.
Because of Ali, boxers got to make money in the 7 figures. ALI DID THAT.
They got to do commercials & endorsements, globally- ALI DID THAT.
And the near billion Muslims to various nations that didn't speak English KNEW who Ali was. Philippines to Kinshasa Zaire.
Facing Ali debunks all the Ali-haters.
R.I.P: Who would Frazier had been without Ali? A dude that won a title, then got his ass bounced like a ball by Forman, that's who he would've been. Yes I agree Ali talked bad about him. I hate he did that, but where would Frazier be in the history book (WITHOUT) Ali?
Ken Norton R.I.P doesn't cry about his loss the way Ali-haters do. He simply said him & his son at best would eat a hotdog or two, but because Ali's pompous attitude to keep fighting him until he could get a 1/2 ass decision: Norton could feed his family: well.
Ron Lyle R.I.P said it best: "Should I complain about the loss? What for? Be-4 Ali I was an inmate doing a thousand pushups a day off a bowl of spinach. So if it hadn't been for Ali...would I be here talking to you?
'bout what?" :mad:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom
Yeah...... good try, Billy.
Next time you post a bullshit quote, provide some proof instead of just putting quotation marks around it to make it sound legit.
;)
I think Bill is Larry Holmes himself. Larry or someone close to Larry, OR a former opponent of Ali that got his ass kicked severely and just cant get over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
I'm thinking Bill was around for Ali's peak years. Maybe even old enough to have served in Vietnam... and holds a lifelong grudge against Ali for not having stepped forward when drafted.
The three points he puts forth after your post are nothing that can't be said about countless other fighters who choose to fight on for too long. So basically, nothing explains Bill's obsession with Ali but pure hatred, the kind that only comes from having a personal nerve touched in some way. I'm staying with the Vietnam theory until proven otherwise.
"dipshit cunt tit" That's one I haven't heard before! It works, it works!Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerAnyone who says a great fighter NEEDS a rival is a dipshit cunt tit.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I find it hard to criticize a heavyweight champion who defended the title as many times as Holmes.
Larry Holmes
Fun Fact #22
Larry was supposed to face Stan Ward in the Semi-Finals of the Don King/ABC-TV
United States Boxing Championships, with the bout scheduled for May 1977.
Larry Holmes
Larry had defeated {W Dec 8} Tom Prater on January 16, 1977 in the First Round of the Tournament.
Larry {Age; 27 years, 4 months} now had a record of 23-0-0 {16 KO's}.
Stan Ward
Stan had defeated {W Dec 10} Jody Ballard on January 29, 1977 to gain entrance into the Tournament.
In the First Round of the Tournament, Stan defeated {W Dec 8} Kevin Isaac on March 6, 1977.
Stan {Age; 27 years, 10 months} had a record of 8-0-2 {4 KO's}.
Fun Fact
Watching Tyson knock out Holmes?
Tyson would have done the same shit to a post-1971 Ali IMO.
Ahh... Tyson.... both hands were lethal. ;D
They certainly were ;)
Agreed Post: not pre.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Pre 1970's Ali: Tyson bites Ali's nipples off.
Larry Holmes
"I never thought that I'd see the day that Muhammad Ali would 'quit' on his stool. He's got
some Dog in him like everybody else."
"At least Floyd Patterson went down on his shield. Muhammad hid behind Angelo Dundee
and Bundini Brown. I lost respect for him for doing that."
Yet another bullshit quote. Just trying to stoke the fire, eh Billy?
That's not funny, at all, man. That hurts just thinking about it!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeAgreed Post: not pre.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Pre 1970's Ali: Tyson bites Ali's nipples off.
Larry Holmes between Round 8 and 9 of the Ali fight: "don't give me any water, Richie. I want to take this clown out to the Deep Blue Sea and drown him. Look at his stupid moustache."
Now this is Funny..........:DQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Larry Holmes
"I remember during my fight against Ali. I could tell Ali wasn't in very good shape and should have never gone into the ring with me. I didn't want to keep hitting him.... but there was this very distracting, nerdy fan at ringside who kept yelling at me to keep hitting Ali.... to inflict brain damage. It was all very disturbing. He was a pasty white guy with thick glasses and a pocket protector. Once I glanced at him and he was practically frothing at the mouth."
"In between rounds he actually went over to my corner and muttered something about Ali having stolen his girlfriend and put her on all fours... making her moan like a bitch in heat. That's when it dawned on me that... hey... this guy must really hate Ali. Don't know what his name was... but some guys nearby were shouting at him something like: Billy.... sit the fuck down!! So I went back out there and continued beating on Ali. Not something I wanted to do... but this Billy dude kept egging me on."
~Larry 'Holmes'~ on his stool right before Ali 's corner threw in the towel:
"I can hear Howard Cosell from hear, Richie. You know Eddie Futch told me how George Foreman manhandled Frazier down in "Kingston", Jamaica in '73, well Eddie told me I would do it here too, and I have manhandled his lil' ass better than Veronica Porsche could ever do!"
Passing of the torch. Great fighters who fade still cant be knocked the fuck out. Shows how bad Ali really was & How bad Holmes would become.
When Holmes became the old dog. Tyson was the only one to paste his ass: passing of the torch.
Should we say Holmes isn't great because he couldnt knock out an old faded Ali? I don't think so.
Witherspoon got a 10 year vet in Holmes- & thats not inlcuding the years Larry didnt have a belt.-And that yoing boy threw the sink @ Holmes. Does that make Witherspoon a pretender not contender? Because he couldnt stop Holmes? Or does it show how bad Holmes really was? Just like Ali, Holmes was a warrior. Nobody could knock out Ali. And only Tyson could knock out Holmes. No way does Holmes career need revisiting.
agreeeeeeed. Larry was the SHIT. I only rank Louis and Ali a bit higher.
Larry Holmes
"I hear that Ali is saying that he over-medicated himself on Diet Pills. Now he is blaming the loss on that.
The guy never ceases to amaze me. It's the Pills that lost, and not him."
'He will never give anybody credit. Joe Frazier is right, Muhammad Ali is pure filth."
Larry Holmes
"Muhammad Ali tortured Earnie Terrell. Then he mentally tortured Joe Frazier. They were supposed to be black brothers during a time when blacks were experiencing terrible bigotry. Instead he tried to tear down Joe Frazier's self-esteem and never apologized sincerely, only mockingly. So when somebody wants to tear down and mock Ali, it should be fair game. Chuck Wepner knocked his ass down, and never gets credit."
Holmes got it bad on an ESPN show- It was Angelo Dundee, Bert Sugar & a few others; they all pissed off Holmes when they talked about that.-whatever it was that made him look in so-so shape-.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom
Actually that's old news.
Muhammad Ali
"Yeah... I banged Bill Paxtom's girlfriend once. Had her howling like a wolf baying at the moon. She told me she'd never had a real man before... I guess that includes ol' Bill. Damn, I hope he doesn't take it personally. I actually did him a favor, breaking her in for him."
Dios mio.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Mrs. Larry Holmes
"Larry gave Muhammad Ali the worst beating ever seen in a Boxing Ring. Was it deserved,
probably."
"You see, my Husband in the best, and will never be 2nd to Muhammad Ali. Ever."
We tell Larry's wife Holmes is not even 2nd on the heavyweight greatest list. He is lucky to get 3rd. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom
He thinks he is the best. Larry may get 5th. lol... But everyone knows, if not by now, if prime for prime, Ali comes first, Tyson second, Louis third (a close third) and Lewis a strong fourth. Larry can get a nod over Evander, Riddick, Schmelling, Marciano and the other guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWe tell Larry's wife Holmes is not even 2nd on the heavyweight greatest list. He is lucky to get 3rd. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom
Either way you're talking about a top 5 HW of all time, no small feat.
Larry Holmes
"I knew that Muhammad was gone after our bout. At the end of the bout I walked
over to his corner to talk to him."
"He just looked at me with his bloodshot eyes and bruised face, and said > "Who are you".
"I knew he was gone."
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...uCifjc9L907-O0
Do you jerk off to that cover, Bill?
Do ya?