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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
Here's a great video that broke down why JMM gave Pac fits and why Pac wasn't as effective as he normally was. A lot of the same principles apply with Floyd, especially in terms of controlling the range.
A boxer always wants to fight in the way that has landed him success in the past. If he's not doing that, then more often than not it's his opponent that is doing something to prevent him from fighting his fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfBmqlO6rh4
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
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fan johnny
Wait which is it give Floyd credit or be ddisappointed in Manny? With such a poor performance from Manny should have been all over him, bbut Floyd showed him way too much respect so they both deserve to be shit on.
Floyd won the way he wanted to win: very easily, at a slow work rate and sustaining very little damage.
Manny is the guy who throws a ton of punches, hits hard and fast, knocks guys down and/or out, and overwhelms them with his blinding combinations.
One of those guys fought his fight, the other didn't. And the guy who didn't, lost.
If you're not understanding why Manny didn't throw as many punches as he normally does than there is a large gap in your knowledge of boxing that needs to be filled. You need to go study up, and I mean that with all due respect.
This first sentence I agree with to a point. Floyd was not in complete control here. He was sub standard to what we have seen him do in the past. I've watched Floyd stop many attacks in his fights making them pay but that was not happening in this fight. You can probably count the number of landed punches on your fingers and nothing did anything substantial. You going to debate that this was a masterpiece of Floyd's in the ring. Get over yourself. It was a shit performance from both fighters clearly. Manny and what he can do and what he did do are two different things. He looked delusional about what he was getting done. I'm thinking he was hearing the crowd which was largely pro pacquiao.
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
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powerpuncher
It's amazing how far people will go to discredit Floyd. After doing exactly what I predicted he would do in the fight, people have to use the "boring" excuse. Seriously? That's all you got? Have you not seen Floyd fight before. I could have told you it would be boring for most people. Every sport has to have a variety of styles and not every style can be exciting. The point of a sport is to win first and foremost. Not to entertain. It's obviously entertaining enough though because Floyd got tons of cash for putting on a fight. So some people have to find entertainment in his fighting.
Who's discrediting Floyd?
No one can take away what he's achieved, but you can be of the opinion that his style is boring to watch. If you like aggressive fighters who are prepared to get involved in a good scrap, you probably won't find Floyd entertaining... which I don't. He bores me and his style is what made last night's "disappointment of the century" the boring, forgettable overhyped rip off that it was.
In my opinion of course.
I'm not saying that you are discrediting Floyd but I have seen many people discredit him for this win. If this fight were a disappointment to you then you set your expectations unrealistically high. It was the exact fight that I expected.
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
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Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
Here's a great video that broke down why JMM gave Pac fits and why Pac wasn't as effective as he normally was. A lot of the same principles apply with Floyd, especially in terms of controlling the range.
A boxer always wants to fight in the way that has landed him success in the past. If he's not doing that, then more often than not it's his opponent that is doing something to prevent him from fighting his fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfBmqlO6rh4
Your putting way too much into the analysis of Floyd and Manny. I could easily just say they were both scared, but it's way more polite to say they had too much respect for each other. They did more posturing than punching. Too much thinking instead of fighting. They weren't forced, lead, tricked or trapped. They both have more than enough athletic ability to get over technical shit, but the hype got stuck in their heads and they both dumped. Pacific a little more of a fail than floyd.
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
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powerpuncher
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Originally Posted by
tysonesque
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Originally Posted by
powerpuncher
It's amazing how far people will go to discredit Floyd. After doing exactly what I predicted he would do in the fight, people have to use the "boring" excuse. Seriously? That's all you got? Have you not seen Floyd fight before. I could have told you it would be boring for most people. Every sport has to have a variety of styles and not every style can be exciting. The point of a sport is to win first and foremost. Not to entertain. It's obviously entertaining enough though because Floyd got tons of cash for putting on a fight. So some people have to find entertainment in his fighting.
Who's discrediting Floyd?
No one can take away what he's achieved, but you can be of the opinion that his style is boring to watch. If you like aggressive fighters who are prepared to get involved in a good scrap, you probably won't find Floyd entertaining... which I don't. He bores me and his style is what made last night's "disappointment of the century" the boring, forgettable overhyped rip off that it was.
In my opinion of course.
I'm not saying that you are discrediting Floyd but I have seen many people discredit him for this win. If this fight were a disappointment to you then you set your expectations unrealistically high. It was the exact fight that I expected.
No doubt floyd clearly won, and your probably in a better place than me for thinking it should have been more of a fight.
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
TODO list fot Pac:
1. Fire Freddy
2. Hire Robert Garcia
3. Heal his shoulder / ass / whatever
4. Throw 600 + at least in the rematch
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X. Ah, actually get the rematch
I think Pac is not that bad, but yeah Freddie has declined clearly
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
Pac got fucking owned and after all this talk about how much he is the people champ he does a shittier job then fucking Madiana. Mayweather just jabs and dodges damn near everything pac throw he look like a gatekeeper throw like 400 punches and landing at 19 percent what a joke. I mean his fans are just as bad saying that he would crush Mayweather when in true his style is cancer for pac i mean Jmm beat him and got robbed or he would won every match he had to knock pac out to get a win. I was hearing all this shit on how pac would own sweat pea what a joke he most likely get out boxed by Benitez or Sweat pea and look off balance while losing. People also forget that Mayweather stared to back up pac mid fight and mad pac stay in place with that jab everyone says is weak but still keeps fighters in place. I dont like Mayweather but the shit he gets is unreal and pac cherry picks to he fought shot and old as dirt fighters also got gift decision but he is so great what a load of shit. Beanflicker my disagree but i think Hearns and Leonard had the abilty to win because of there size and speed not to mention they have reach as well but there is no fighter like them today not many fighters are as polished as they were really and it said thing i must say. I dont think boxing is weaker really but it seems not many welterweights not have the boxing skills of fighters from the 90's and 80's dont know why either.
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
I've watched the fight a few times and I honestly can't see what the pro pac fans are seeing. Floyd dominated the fight and made it look very easy, he spent most the fight in the centre of the ring and only really held on occasions in the first half of the fight.
It's like people forget the sport they are watching, it's not WWE, the whole point is to hit the other person and then not get hit yourself. I don't see what the issue with Floyd is, he wins fights because he gets what is needed to win them.
Anyone who has actually boxed and taken shots to the head, realises what Floyd can do is enviable.
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
I predicted Floyd would win a close decision. Didn't think it was going to be as wide as it was. Just watched the replay. Manny was just not that active as he should have been. I can't praise Floyd enough. He executed his game plan perfectly considering his opponent and just stifled Manny's offense. Really wish the whole retirement after his September fight to be all talk as I would love to see him get to that 50 - 0 record. Imagine if that fight would be with GGG. Wishful thinking but hoping it does happen. Manny and his camp's excuses about his shoulder really bothered me as I genuinely like the guy. I didn't lose my respect for him as I'm Filipino and I will forever adore him for what he brought to our country but that just left a bad taste in my mouth as well it should. I think he either needs to end his career with a fight against either Thurman or Khan then just retire with a win. Definitely no need for a rematch with Floyd. Really was very disappointed with Pac's performance plus the excuses.
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
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0james0
I've watched the fight a few times and I honestly can't see what the pro pac fans are seeing. Floyd dominated the fight and made it look very easy, he spent most the fight in the centre of the ring and only really held on occasions in the first half of the fight.
It's like people forget the sport they are watching, it's not WWE, the whole point is to hit the other person and then not get hit yourself. I don't see what the issue with Floyd is, he wins fights because he gets what is needed to win them.
Anyone who has actually boxed and taken shots to the head, realises what Floyd can do is enviable.
Great point there.
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
Pac just seemed out of ideas from the start, maybe he knew he didn't have stamina to be a huricane for 12 rounds. I think he expected Floyd to be easier to hit. He was only allowed to land when Mayweather let him.
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
Mayweather, in the first place, promised to be EXPLOSIVE. So disappointed that he just ran all night, too scared to be really tested. That is not boxing GREATS are made of. Anyway, he is nowhere TBE and nowhere in the list of the REAL boxing greats.
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
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brucelee
Mayweather, in the first place, promised to be EXPLOSIVE. So disappointed that he just ran all night, too scared to be really tested. That is not boxing GREATS are made of. Anyway, he is nowhere TBE and nowhere in the list of the REAL boxing greats.
How did a guy who ran all night manage to throw more and connect with almost twice as many punches than the explosive and dynamic Manny Pacquiao??!!!! @brucelee
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
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ruthless rocco
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brucelee
Mayweather, in the first place, promised to be EXPLOSIVE. So disappointed that he just ran all night, too scared to be really tested. That is not boxing GREATS are made of. Anyway, he is nowhere TBE and nowhere in the list of the REAL boxing greats.
How did a guy who ran all night manage to throw more and connect with almost twice as many punches than the explosive and dynamic Manny Pacquiao??!!!! @
brucelee
Exactly that's what many pro pac fans have failed to answer???
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Beanflicker, couldn't have said it any better. Pacquiao is shot. He couldn't do shit after all the hype and clowning he did before the fight. He threw more punches during the foot locker commercials.
I like some fighters but I watch fights because I wanna see a fight. I wasn't even rooting for anyone to be honest. I just want a fight. A master boxer against a brawler. I was sold on the premise that Pacquiao will bring it and will take Floyd out of his comfort zone therefore he has to dig deep and fight fire with fire intelligently. Didn't fucking happen. Floyd cruised like he always do and no one should blame him. Pacquiao is to blame. We all know he's going to lose with that pace. It appeared he was just contented the fight happened and he's getting the $120M.
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
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ruthless rocco
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Originally Posted by
brucelee
Mayweather, in the first place, promised to be EXPLOSIVE. So disappointed that he just ran all night, too scared to be really tested. That is not boxing GREATS are made of. Anyway, he is nowhere TBE and nowhere in the list of the REAL boxing greats.
How did a guy who ran all night manage to throw more and connect with almost twice as many punches than the explosive and dynamic Manny Pacquiao??!!!! @
brucelee
This is a very good question. I would also like to know the answer to this question.
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
Give Mayweather credit, be disappointed in Pac?
How does that work exactly? If you've given Mayweather credit for snuffing out Pac's offence what is there left to be disappointed in?
If you simply wanted more output from Manny, again you have to credit Floyd for not providing him a target.
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
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Give Mayweather credit, be disappointed in Pac?
How does that work exactly? If you've given Mayweather credit for snuffing out Pac's offence what is there left to be disappointed in?
If you simply wanted more output from Manny, again you have to credit Floyd for not providing him a target.
Manny promised to bring something and he failed to deliver.
That's how boxing works: there's a winner and a loser. One guy succceeded, one guy failed. Glory on one side, disappointment on the other.
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
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Beanflicker
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Memphis
Give Mayweather credit, be disappointed in Pac?
How does that work exactly? If you've given Mayweather credit for snuffing out Pac's offence what is there left to be disappointed in?
If you simply wanted more output from Manny, again you have to credit Floyd for not providing him a target.
Manny promised to bring something and he failed to deliver.
That's how boxing works: there's a winner and a loser. One guy succceeded, one guy failed. Glory on one side, disappointment on the other.
and mayweather is still a bellend
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
yeah but a rich bellend innit
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
I watched the Mayweather vs De La Hoya fight again last night and although he had the advantage of being noticeably bigger, his tactics worked, other than the fact he ran out of gas.
With Roach in the corner, you would have thought they would have followed that blueprint as Floyd couldn't get going at all and was very lucky to get the win
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
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0james0
I watched the Mayweather vs De La Hoya fight again last night and although he had the advantage of being noticeably bigger, his tactics worked, other than the fact he ran out of gas.
With Roach in the corner, you would have thought they would have followed that blueprint as Floyd couldn't get going at all and was very lucky to get the win
I hear Floyd was wearing the wrong socks that night... You know how that can affect a fighter.
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
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0james0
I watched the Mayweather vs De La Hoya fight again last night and although he had the advantage of being noticeably bigger, his tactics worked, other than the fact he ran out of gas.
With Roach in the corner, you would have thought they would have followed that blueprint as Floyd couldn't get going at all and was very lucky to get the win
Lol that fight was nowhere near close
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
I don't think DLH/PBF was close at all, and I don't think DLH had any "blue print" to beat him because he really didn't land anything significant. He had Jim Lampley and the crowd screaming every time he threw something but he mostly hit air and gloves.
Also you have to take into consideration the physical limitations of human beings: it's fine to succeed with something in a round or two, but can you physically and mentally continue it for 12 rounds? People get tired physically and mentally and a lot of that shit is easier said than done.
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
I don't get excited with Mayweather fights but I also don't dislike him. In fact I appreciate his tremendous skills to evade punches and traps. Although I'm hoping he takes more risk to make it a fight. They say boxing is to 'hit and not get hit' and I completely agree with that. But I don't put Floyd on that level of a master counter puncher. I believe he's been more of a 'hit when there's no way you can get hit' fighter. The only times he will throw a counter is after/during an opponents left jab (counter right) or against an opponents lunging left hook (check left hook) where he can move away to his left. You'll never see him go for the perfect back hand counter when an orthodox opponent would throw a haymaker right hand. It's obviously very risky, but the rewards are irresistible for a true counter puncher.
Anyhow, my point is credit should be give where credit is due. I was never the type of fan who dislikes a fighter because he's a former felon or how he handles himself outside the ring. I always give them the benefit of the doubt that these are famous people, and the media will not fail to come up with stories suited for TMZ viewers. Same goes for the race card, religion and PEDS bullshit.. I try to stay away from that stuff and only engage myself on purely boxing discussions. And I'm not even a purist. I appreciate all level of fighting, as long as the two combatants gives everything. Sounds like the rock 'em sock 'em robots type of fight but not really. Just two fighters giving their best fight in them even if they're past their prime or still too raw. You know, there's no prime age for heart.
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
Watch the PBF vs DLH fight again, having watched the pac fight, you'll see what I mean. Floyd was not comfortable at all, not for long periods and it was a much closer fight than the pac fight that's for sure.
Although I do have to agree DLH was hitting mostly gloves and arms, that was much more than pac did
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
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0james0
Watch the PBF vs DLH fight again, having watched the pac fight, you'll see what I mean. Floyd was not comfortable at all, not for long periods and it was a much closer fight than the pac fight that's for sure.
Although I do have to agree DLH was hitting mostly gloves and arms, that was much more than pac did
I watched it a few times over the years and always came to the same conclusion. I don't think he ever flustered Floyd because he really couldn't land anything of substance. He bullied him to the ropes and threw a quick flurry where nothing really landed, the crowd went nuts and Lampley screamed "AND OSCAR LANDS A COMBINATION!!!!" Floyd countered the fuck out of him all night.
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Floyd has got more and more defensive over time..no combos whatsoever anymore..time to retire.
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
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Beanflicker
yeah but a rich bellend innit
yep
thing is, i suppose he fits in in america
not the rich bit obviously
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erics44
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Beanflicker
yeah but a rich bellend innit
yep
thing is, i suppose he fits in in america
not the rich bit obviously
Ha ha, making friends with our transatlantic brothers with your profound comments I see.😀
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
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Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
erics44
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Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
yeah but a rich bellend innit
yep
thing is, i suppose he fits in in america
not the rich bit obviously
Ha ha, making friends with our transatlantic brothers with your profound comments I see.😀
awe soz
i suppose britains biggest sports names can be bellends too
just not anywhere near to the scale of floyd
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
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Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
erics44
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Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
yeah but a rich bellend innit
yep
thing is, i suppose he fits in in america
not the rich bit obviously
Ha ha, making friends with our transatlantic brothers with your profound comments I see.😀
I agree with it, I'm Canadian so it's all good
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
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Beanflicker
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
erics44
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Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
yeah but a rich bellend innit
yep
thing is, i suppose he fits in in america
not the rich bit obviously
Ha ha, making friends with our transatlantic brothers with your profound comments I see.😀
I agree with it, I'm Canadian so it's all good
really?
just goes to show
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
We both jerk off to the same queen
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
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Beanflicker
We both jerk off to the same queen
i wouldnt mention jerking off to queens if i were you
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
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erics44
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Beanflicker
We both jerk off to the same queen
i wouldnt mention jerking off to queens if i were you
hahahahahaha
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Re: Give Mayweather credit... it's Pac you should be disappointed in
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Beanflicker
Time to knock it off with the hating, everyone here knew Floyd is not a brawler and wasn't going to put on a Gatti/Ward with anyone. It was Pac who was supposed to bring the violence, excitement and the activity, and he couldn't do it because Mayweather wouldn't let him.
You all said Mayweather would run from Pac. The only time he ran was in the last seconds of a few rounds, because he knew Pac was trying to steal the round with a big flurry. For the rest of the time, he stood toe to toe in the middle of the ring, he stood in the pocket and he even stood against the ropes and let Pac throw (and miss) his big shots.
You all said Pacquiao was all wrong for Floyd because he was fast, he hit hard and he threw a ton of punches. Mayweather threw more punches than Pacquiao in this fight, 435 to 429. I don't think anyone has out thrown Pacquiao. Even vs Marquez 3, which was Pac's weakest effort and JMM won the fight and got robbed, Pac threw nearly 600 punches and landed at a 30% rate. Here he threw just over 400 and landed at a 19% rate. That wasn't by Manny's choice, it was Floyd's. PBF largely shut the down a southpaw who is considered (and deservedly so) the greatest, most dynamic OFFENSIVE fighter of this generation.
So give Floyd his credit. It wasn't Hagler/Hearns, but it wasn't Floyd's responsibility to make it Hagler/Hearns. Pac was considered by a lot of people to be the greatest fighter of this generation, the greatest fighter of the 2000s, and he had absolutely nothing for Floyd. And don't start on with the "5 years ago" nonsense. Both guys are past their best. Pac was still a world beater, if he couldn't catch Floyd now, he wasn't catching him in 2010-2012.
Maidana managed to throw 850 punches against Floyd. What's Pac's excuse?
Agree 100% Pac was shocking. I for one thought this would be pretty much a mismatch but never dreamed Pac would be so bad. I made Mayweather an 8/1 shot to out throw Pac. Mayweather threw as much as expected, between 400-450 but expected Pac to throw 700-750. Unexplainable last round performance by Pac. Didnt go for it at all.
