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Re: Name 5 heavyweights that beat Anthony Joshua!
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Joshua may well turn out to have a glass jaw , indeed that is possible . Lets judge him on what we see , he is athletic ,powerful , fast and throws combinations really well for a big guy. People may not rate him which is an opinion and is fine , however take Tyson fury as an example , he isn't powerful , proven has a suspect chin , is out of shape , and one of his best wins is against the weak kevin Johnson , who he failed to even get close to stopping.
So lets enjoy Joshua for what he is , a young athlete with lots of potential, maybe not the real deal but exciting to watch and humble with it.
You say Tyson is out of shape. Do you mean he doesnt have a homoerotic sculpted body?
He does a decent paced 12 rounds fine.
On the Bayloric youtube channel Peter Fury said Tyson visited the gym to spar Johnson in prep for this fight as a favour to Johnson. He was 21 stone apparently and Johnson couldnt last 30 seconds with him so Peter told him to just go home as theres no point being there.
Tyson may not give you a stiffy with his abs and muscular arms but he moves well and fluid and can fight a fast pace over 12. If thats not being in shape what is?
Theres no evidence of this. He went 12 rounds twice both were against opponents who couldnt put any pressure on him. He boxed completely at his own pace. This is completely different then fighting a guy like Wlad who is constantly throwing punches at you. He may well be fit but going the distance with Johnson and Chisora doesnt prove that.
Theres no doubt Joshua could have gone 12 with Johnson if he wanted.
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I'm stumped.
Walked through a guy that went 12 with Vitali Klitschko.
The power is real people.
I think his youth and energy is real. His power is pretty good for a heavyweight, but not a Lennox Lewis power. But it is good.
I think, at this stage, Wilder, Fury, Wlad, Povetkin and Stiverne may be a little too much for him. A healthy Helenius too.
AJ is good, but not at that level yet. Not yet.
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Re: Name 5 heavyweights that beat Anthony Joshua!
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ross
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Dark Lord Al
Joshua may well turn out to have a glass jaw , indeed that is possible . Lets judge him on what we see , he is athletic ,powerful , fast and throws combinations really well for a big guy. People may not rate him which is an opinion and is fine , however take Tyson fury as an example , he isn't powerful , proven has a suspect chin , is out of shape , and one of his best wins is against the weak kevin Johnson , who he failed to even get close to stopping.
So lets enjoy Joshua for what he is , a young athlete with lots of potential, maybe not the real deal but exciting to watch and humble with it.
You say Tyson is out of shape. Do you mean he doesnt have a homoerotic sculpted body?
He does a decent paced 12 rounds fine.
On the Bayloric youtube channel Peter Fury said Tyson visited the gym to spar Johnson in prep for this fight as a favour to Johnson. He was 21 stone apparently and Johnson couldnt last 30 seconds with him so Peter told him to just go home as theres no point being there.
Tyson may not give you a stiffy with his abs and muscular arms but he moves well and fluid and can fight a fast pace over 12. If thats not being in shape what is?
Theres no evidence of this. He went 12 rounds twice both were against opponents who couldnt put any pressure on him. He boxed completely at his own pace. This is completely different then fighting a guy like Wlad who is constantly throwing punches at you. He may well be fit but going the distance with Johnson and Chisora doesnt prove that.
Theres no doubt Joshua could have gone 12 with Johnson if he wanted.
On what evidence?
He was never going to have to go 12 with Johnson but I think you are going to be surprised at how much his training effects his stamina in the first fight he is taken the distance.
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On the evidence that Johnson doesnt throw punches. Its not hard throwing 30 jabs and a dozen right hands a round. Thats all Joshua would have to do to go the distance. Pull his punches a bit and anytime Johnsn gets brave put him in his place. If he can do 20 rounds in sparring he can do 12 against a bum.
I really dont know where you come up with some of this stuff Ross. Because hes in shape hes over training? Seriously why do you hate guys who are in shape? Hes a breath of fresh air for the heavyweight division and has passed every test so far. You seemed to think that Johnson would last some rounds but Joshua blew him away. You can try say Johnson was worse than you expected but in fairness thats how he always fights. He is muck like 99% of the heavyweights out there.
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On the evidence that Johnson doesnt throw punches. Its not hard throwing 30 jabs and a dozen right hands a round. Thats all Joshua would have to do to go the distance. Pull his punches a bit and anytime Johnsn gets brave put him in his place. If he can do 20 rounds in sparring he can do 12 against a bum.
I really dont know where you come up with some of this stuff Ross. Because hes in shape hes over training? Seriously why do you hate guys who are in shape? Hes a breath of fresh air for the heavyweight division and has passed every test so far. You seemed to think that Johnson would last some rounds but Joshua blew him away. You can try say Johnson was worse than you expected but in fairness thats how he always fights. He is muck like 99% of the heavyweights out there.
Just because Johnson may not throw alot of punches doesnt mean Joshua still may not have tired. Hes falling in love with his power like Haye did and is throwing everything. I thought he looked a little gassed in the second after a burst as he didnt continue to throw like Eubank Jr did in the 12th against Chudinov. 4 or 5 rounds of trying to stop Johnson after never fighting beyond 3 rounds and he would have been tired.
Where do I get this from? From watching fighters tire them selves out believing they are destroyers, like Haye and Price.
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Re: Name 5 heavyweights that beat Anthony Joshua!
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ross
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On the evidence that Johnson doesnt throw punches. Its not hard throwing 30 jabs and a dozen right hands a round. Thats all Joshua would have to do to go the distance. Pull his punches a bit and anytime Johnsn gets brave put him in his place. If he can do 20 rounds in sparring he can do 12 against a bum.
I really dont know where you come up with some of this stuff Ross. Because hes in shape hes over training? Seriously why do you hate guys who are in shape? Hes a breath of fresh air for the heavyweight division and has passed every test so far. You seemed to think that Johnson would last some rounds but Joshua blew him away. You can try say Johnson was worse than you expected but in fairness thats how he always fights. He is muck like 99% of the heavyweights out there.
Just because Johnson may not throw alot of punches doesnt mean Joshua still may not have tired. Hes falling in love with his power like Haye did and is throwing everything. I thought he looked a little gassed in the second after a burst as he didnt continue to throw like Eubank Jr did in the 12th against Chudinov. 4 or 5 rounds of trying to stop Johnson after never fighting beyond 3 rounds and he would have been tired.
Where do I get this from? From watching fighters tire them selves out believing they are destroyers, like Haye and Price.
That has nothing to do with fitness though? You can be the fittest person in the world and still punch yourself out. If Fury threw a lot of power shots hed gas too.
Regarding Joshua looking gassed???? He didnt even look out of breath
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Re: Name 5 heavyweights that beat Anthony Joshua!
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ross
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On the evidence that Johnson doesnt throw punches. Its not hard throwing 30 jabs and a dozen right hands a round. Thats all Joshua would have to do to go the distance. Pull his punches a bit and anytime Johnsn gets brave put him in his place. If he can do 20 rounds in sparring he can do 12 against a bum.
I really dont know where you come up with some of this stuff Ross. Because hes in shape hes over training? Seriously why do you hate guys who are in shape? Hes a breath of fresh air for the heavyweight division and has passed every test so far. You seemed to think that Johnson would last some rounds but Joshua blew him away. You can try say Johnson was worse than you expected but in fairness thats how he always fights. He is muck like 99% of the heavyweights out there.
Just because Johnson may not throw alot of punches doesnt mean Joshua still may not have tired. Hes falling in love with his power like Haye did and is throwing everything. I thought he looked a little gassed in the second after a burst as he didnt continue to throw
like Eubank Jr did in the 12th against Chudinov. 4 or 5 rounds of trying to stop Johnson after never fighting beyond 3 rounds and he would have been tired.
Where do I get this from? From watching fighters tire them selves out believing they are destroyers, like Haye and Price.
Take of your blinkers with regards to fury and Eubank , so you are now comparing a 6'6 230lb HW , to a MW ?
Joshua hasn't put a foot wrong yet as a pro , lets wait and see if he is the real deal or not.
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Re: Name 5 heavyweights that beat Anthony Joshua!
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You lot are mad.Joshua has not gone over 6 rounds and yet you think he could beat Tyson nowy . Is this an alternative saddo dimension I have posted into?
Honestly could not see Fury, Price or any other domestic HW troubling AJ at all.
I doubt any HW in the Uk last 3 rounds with him.
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You lot are mad.Joshua has not gone over 6 rounds and yet you think he could beat Tyson nowy . Is this an alternative saddo dimension I have posted into?
Honestly could not see Fury, Price or any other domestic HW troubling AJ at all.
I doubt any HW in the Uk last 3 rounds with him.
Any of the top heavyweights would take AJ past 6 rounds and beat him up. It makes a big difference when you step up in class, no matter how good you look against fighters you are expected to beat easily.
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Re: Name 5 heavyweights that beat Anthony Joshua!
Peter fury has said that Johnson had no desire in training and was only there to get money. He let him use his facilities but he wasn't impressed with Johnson.
I want to post the link but it won't let me. It's on boxing news
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Peter fury has said that Johnson had no desire in training and was only there to get money. He let him use his facilities but he wasn't impressed with Johnson.
I want to post the link but it won't let me. It's on boxing news
EXCLUSIVE Peter Fury: Kevin Johnson had no desire, he just fought Anthony Joshua for the money | Boxing News - boxing news, results, rankings, schedules since 1909
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Re: Name 5 heavyweights that beat Anthony Joshua!
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You lot are mad.Joshua has not gone over 6 rounds and yet you think he could beat Tyson nowy . Is this an alternative saddo dimension I have posted into?
Honestly could not see Fury, Price or any other domestic HW troubling AJ at all.
I doubt any HW in the Uk last 3 rounds with him.
i dont reckon it would take josh any more than 6 rounds to knock fury out
but you never know, id like to see him try
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Go to 4.12 in Peter Fury on Tyson currently weighing 21 stone and going down to the gym to spar Johnson.
http://youtu.be/1f-QMUN5jhc
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Re: Name 5 heavyweights that beat Anthony Joshua!
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did he have any desire against tyson or chisora tho? he hardly threw a punch in those fights
this isnt conclusive evidence that A Josh's KO of Johnson was anything but a fantastic performance against the same very durable fighter who had been the distance with Fury
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Joshua hasn't put a foot wrong yet as a pro , lets wait and see if he is the real deal or not.
Neither has Lee Selby, but you're prepared to write him off as a paper champ who'll be exposed as soon as he fights a live body? Despite his shitness Selby is British, Commonwealth, Euro and now World champion.
You cant have it both ways mate.
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did he have any desire against tyson or chisora tho? he hardly threw a punch in those fights
this isnt conclusive evidence that A Josh's KO of Johnson was anything but a fantastic performance against the same very durable fighter who had been the distance with Fury
I think there was amarked difference between this Johnson and the one who fought Chisora over a year ago now, he fancied that fight. He was lacklustre against Char after Chisora also.
Joshua is big and very strong and if someone doesnt fancy the fight and has little ambition it wont take him long to overwhelm them, however, put someone with out a handful of losses to see what hes made of.
Even ahughie Furys last opponent Andrei Rudenko. Hes tough.
Jishua might be the goods but I want to see someone with ambition take him the distance.
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That Johnson was no different to the one that fought Fury or Chisora. He came in the same shape as he always does and tried to widdle and fiddle his way like he always does.
The difference is Joshua is more explosive/powerful than those two put together.
An awesome athlete, boxing brain, realist with a serious vicious streak. Don't fuck with that man. Fact.
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did he have any desire against tyson or chisora tho? he hardly threw a punch in those fights
this isnt conclusive evidence that A Josh's KO of Johnson was anything but a fantastic performance against the same very durable fighter who had been the distance with Fury
I think there was amarked difference between this Johnson and the one who fought Chisora over a year ago now, he fancied that fight. He was lacklustre against Char after Chisora also.
Joshua is big and very strong and if someone doesnt fancy the fight and has little ambition it wont take him long to overwhelm them, however, put someone with out a handful of losses to see what hes made of.
Even ahughie Furys last opponent Andrei Rudenko. Hes tough.
Jishua might be the goods but I want to see someone with ambition take him the distance.
yep i would as well
if we are comparing him to fury and chisora though, which one of any of either of their wins would have posed any sort of threat to Josh?
i dont think any of the fighters they have beaten would have lasted more than a couple to 3 rounds (excluding Chisora)
and i also agree that you dont know how josh is gonna fair in a fight that lasts 6 or more rounds
id like to see him fight Chisora next, a chisora at his best could probably take him 6 rounds
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ross
did he have any desire against tyson or chisora tho? he hardly threw a punch in those fights
this isnt conclusive evidence that A Josh's KO of Johnson was anything but a fantastic performance against the same very durable fighter who had been the distance with Fury
I think there was amarked difference between this Johnson and the one who fought Chisora over a year ago now, he fancied that fight. He was lacklustre against Char after Chisora also.
Joshua is big and very strong and if someone doesnt fancy the fight and has little ambition it wont take him long to overwhelm them, however, put someone with out a handful of losses to see what hes made of.
Even ahughie Furys last opponent Andrei Rudenko. Hes tough.
Jishua might be the goods but I want to see someone with ambition take him the distance.
yep i would as well
if we are comparing him to fury and chisora though, which one of any of either of their wins would have posed any sort of threat to Josh?
i dont think any of the fighters they have beaten would have lasted more than a couple to 3 rounds (excluding Chisora)
and i also agree that you dont know how josh is gonna fair in a fight that lasts 6 or more rounds
id like to see him fight Chisora next, a chisora at his best could probably take him 6 rounds
Chisora I doubt has any real ambition left in a hard fight. Leading up to the Fury fight there were times where he did very little and skipped around after taking a shot. His back in training now but only for another payday against Price.
I seen someone mention he has a good boxing brain, again, based on what?;D
The hype surrounding this man is ridiculous, it was the same with Price remember. He was proper starching people;)
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I think had Johnson wanted to last the distance or even wanted to win (although still very far fetched) he would have fought better. I certainly think he was capable of lasting the distance with Joshua but of course didn't show up with any fire, he got tagged a few times and Joshua was just right on top of him and fresh as a daisy when Johnson was hurt so the ref had little choice but to stop the fight. Johnson's jab did nothing to Joshua.
I think it was a very impressive performance but at the same time there' not much you can take from it as seemingly Kevin Johnson was just there to get paid. I believe it was a great matchup by Joshua's trainer and I hope to see him continue progressing as he has been. I'm not sold on him yet as he's not very loose but we'll see what styles give him troubles soon enough.
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Yes lets use Peter fury as an unbiased view on rival pro fighters lol .
It has to be true because Peter Fury said it , did Peter say Johnson had more desire when he took the lumbering oaf the distance ? well who would have thought that!
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Joshua hasn't put a foot wrong yet as a pro , lets wait and see if he is the real deal or not.
Neither has Lee Selby, but you're prepared to write him off as a paper champ who'll be exposed as soon as he fights a live body? Despite his shitness Selby is British, Commonwealth, Euro and now World champion.
You cant have it both ways mate.
I think Joshua so far looks the real deal , however the light punching Welsh limbo dancer I don't rate. That isn't having it both ways, they are my opinions on two different fighters. In case you didn't know by the way Selby put a foot wrong in his 5th fight and lost;) and has also shown a lack of power with only 8 ko wins , now he is at top level his power will be less affective, and his Hamed style of defence wont help at top level without Hameds power .;)
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ross
did he have any desire against tyson or chisora tho? he hardly threw a punch in those fights
this isnt conclusive evidence that A Josh's KO of Johnson was anything but a fantastic performance against the same very durable fighter who had been the distance with Fury
I think there was amarked difference between this Johnson and the one who fought Chisora over a year ago now, he fancied that fight. He was lacklustre against Char after Chisora also.
Joshua is big and very strong and if someone doesnt fancy the fight and has little ambition it wont take him long to overwhelm them, however, put someone with out a handful of losses to see what hes made of.
Even ahughie Furys last opponent Andrei Rudenko. Hes tough.
Jishua might be the goods but I want to see someone with ambition take him the distance.
yep i would as well
if we are comparing him to fury and chisora though, which one of any of either of their wins would have posed any sort of threat to Josh?
i dont think any of the fighters they have beaten would have lasted more than a couple to 3 rounds (excluding Chisora)
and i also agree that you dont know how josh is gonna fair in a fight that lasts 6 or more rounds
id like to see him fight Chisora next, a chisora at his best could probably take him 6 rounds
Chisora I doubt has any real ambition left in a hard fight. Leading up to the Fury fight there were times where he did very little and skipped around after taking a shot. His back in training now but only for another payday against Price.
I seen someone mention he has a good boxing brain, again, based on what?;D
The hype surrounding this man is ridiculous, it was the same with Price remember. He was proper starching people;)
I thought chisora looked good for a few fights, I liked his style, I liked his fights with helenius and kilt
He just didn't hit hard enough
But yeah I doubt he will ever put a performance like that in again
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ross
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ross
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erics44
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ross
did he have any desire against tyson or chisora tho? he hardly threw a punch in those fights
this isnt conclusive evidence that A Josh's KO of Johnson was anything but a fantastic performance against the same very durable fighter who had been the distance with Fury
I think there was amarked difference between this Johnson and the one who fought Chisora over a year ago now, he fancied that fight. He was lacklustre against Char after Chisora also.
Joshua is big and very strong and if someone doesnt fancy the fight and has little ambition it wont take him long to overwhelm them, however, put someone with out a handful of losses to see what hes made of.
Even ahughie Furys last opponent Andrei Rudenko. Hes tough.
Jishua might be the goods but I want to see someone with ambition take him the distance.
yep i would as well
if we are comparing him to fury and chisora though, which one of any of either of their wins would have posed any sort of threat to Josh?
i dont think any of the fighters they have beaten would have lasted more than a couple to 3 rounds (excluding Chisora)
and i also agree that you dont know how josh is gonna fair in a fight that lasts 6 or more rounds
id like to see him fight Chisora next, a chisora at his best could probably take him 6 rounds
Chisora I doubt has any real ambition left in a hard fight. Leading up to the Fury fight there were times where he did very little and skipped around after taking a shot. His back in training now but only for another payday against Price.
I seen someone mention he has a good boxing brain, again, based on what?;D
The hype surrounding this man is ridiculous, it was the same with Price remember. He was proper starching people;)
I thought chisora looked good for a few fights, I liked his style, I liked his fights with helenius and kilt
He just didn't hit hard enough
But yeah I doubt he will ever put a performance like that in again
Im not trying to downplay Chisora either in some kind of way to pre empt Joshua beating him saying hes shot. I said the same things leading up to the afury rematch that it was a waste of time and Tyson would beat him easy.
People raved about Price being a monster as well. http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...at-thread.html
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ross
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erics44
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ross
did he have any desire against tyson or chisora tho? he hardly threw a punch in those fights
this isnt conclusive evidence that A Josh's KO of Johnson was anything but a fantastic performance against the same very durable fighter who had been the distance with Fury
I think there was amarked difference between this Johnson and the one who fought Chisora over a year ago now, he fancied that fight. He was lacklustre against Char after Chisora also.
Joshua is big and very strong and if someone doesnt fancy the fight and has little ambition it wont take him long to overwhelm them, however, put someone with out a handful of losses to see what hes made of.
Even ahughie Furys last opponent Andrei Rudenko. Hes tough.
Jishua might be the goods but I want to see someone with ambition take him the distance.
yep i would as well
if we are comparing him to fury and chisora though, which one of any of either of their wins would have posed any sort of threat to Josh?
i dont think any of the fighters they have beaten would have lasted more than a couple to 3 rounds (excluding Chisora)
and i also agree that you dont know how josh is gonna fair in a fight that lasts 6 or more rounds
id like to see him fight Chisora next, a chisora at his best could probably take him 6 rounds
Chisora I doubt has any real ambition left in a hard fight. Leading up to the Fury fight there were times where he did very little and skipped around after taking a shot. His back in training now but only for another payday against Price.
I seen someone mention he has a good boxing brain, again, based on what?;D
The hype surrounding this man is ridiculous, it was the same with Price remember. He was proper starching people;)
I thought chisora looked good for a few fights, I liked his style, I liked his fights with helenius and kilt
He just didn't hit hard enough
But yeah I doubt he will ever put a performance like that in again
Im not trying to downplay Chisora either in some kind of way to pre empt Joshua beating him saying hes shot. I said the same things leading up to the afury rematch that it was a waste of time and Tyson would beat him easy.
People raved about Price being a monster as well.
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...at-thread.html
David Price isn't Joshua and visa versa . What has that got to do with anything ?
Wilder hasn't exactly has a tough resume but he holds a world belt , judge Joshua on his development fight per fight, not on David Prices failings.
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Joshua hasn't put a foot wrong yet as a pro , lets wait and see if he is the real deal or not.
Neither has Lee Selby, but you're prepared to write him off as a paper champ who'll be exposed as soon as he fights a live body? Despite his shitness Selby is British, Commonwealth, Euro and now World champion.
You cant have it both ways mate.
Selby has lost a fight
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Joshua hasn't put a foot wrong yet as a pro , lets wait and see if he is the real deal or not.
Neither has Lee Selby, but you're prepared to write him off as a paper champ who'll be exposed as soon as he fights a live body? Despite his shitness Selby is British, Commonwealth, Euro and now World champion.
You cant have it both ways mate.
Selby has lost a fight
That isn't putting a foot wrong apparently.
