August 26, 1975 ~ 'Press Conference' ~ Ali Tries To Make Gorilla Out Of Joe Frazier

I hate him too. Joe Frazier's children were bullied for 3 years in school because Ali kept accusing Joe of being an Uncle Tom. In '72 Frazier had asked him to stop for the safety of his kids but Ali just continued with the uncle tom stuff. It was NOT to sell fights.

Frazier lent Ali shitload of money in 1970 AND helped him reinstate his boxing license.

Ali thanked him by publicly calling him "a flat-nosed ignorant Negro" then on TV "a flat-nosed pug".

Later that same month with Howard Cosell he mocked Joe Frazier's ears and nose and made fun of him and said his ears were like a deformity because they were not even and one was hanging lower than the other one.

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Ali is famous for what he did in the ring and what he achieved is untouchable.

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Yes, he was a great fighter and he changed boxing in some good ways and some bad ways. My question has always been, "Why did he have to be such a prick while doing it?"
One small example. When Ali KO'ed Foreman, he could have said, "We outsmarted him!", "We had a better plan.", or "He couldn't take the heat." Instead it was all about 'Rope a Dope'. This was post fight, so please don't talk to me about fight hype. Just one small example added to many others, before and after, have left me with a healthy dislike for Ali.
Master, I see pictures of Ali setting in his wheelchair, withered and probably suffering and I don't feel an ounce of compassion for the man. I am not proud or ashamed.

I feel EXACTLY the same.

Fuck 'em.

Somebody give that Parkinson's patient some dopamine or somethin'!

(" somebody give that old Negro a pension or something"

-- Muhammad Ali about Archie Moore before their fight)

If it was fair game then and awfully funny then it sure is now too!

We're gonna name Muhammad Ali "The Shaker"--
No I got a better one how about "The Mumbler".

Yeah that's it: the Mumbler in the Jungler!

@Bill Paxtom

Ali is the greatest heavyweight ever and he gave us some of the greatest fights and moments in history.

All your hate will never take that away.

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Originally Posted by Master

Ali is the greatest heavyweight ever and he gave us some of the greatest fights and moments in history.

All your hate will never take that away.

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I thoroughly enjoyed the above statement.

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Ali is the greatest heavyweight ever and he gave us some of the greatest fights and moments in history.

All your hate will never take that away.

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I do not doubt for one minute that he certainly gave us some of the greatest fights and moments in the ring in the history of the sport of boxing. For that I appreciate him. For me I think his biggest win was over George Foreman. I believe he should have retired after that fight. That would have been an amazing retirement the world would remember him with only one loss and more importantly he still had all his faculties at that time

Tuesday ~ August 26, 1975

Four Seasons Restaurant ~ New York City, New York

~ Press Conference ~

Smokin' Joe Frazier was the first to arrive, and was polite and cordial to the Press Corps and News Media.

Joe discussed his general plans for pre-fight Training during a 30-Minute question and answer session.

Then the {pre-staged} entrance.

It was all set up, that Muhammad Ali would arrive with his 'entourage' and disrupt the Press Interview
with a 'ranting tirade' aimed at Smokin' Joe.

On Cue >

There was a loud rumbling of noise at the Door Entrance of the 'Four Seasons', an up-scale and fancy
mid-town Restaurant for the 'high-enders'.

Yes, it was the World's Heavyweight Champion - Muhammad Ali, with his 'gangling mob', an entourage
of '15' hangers-on, plusTrainer - Angelo Dundee and 'The Head Cheerleader Clown' - Drew 'Bundini' Brown.

The muffled sound at the Door Entrance grew louder and louder, until it couldn't possibly be, wait a mistake >

Muhammad Ali entered the Press Room with the 'Clown Posse'.

The Champion walked into the Room with a sudden boisterous intrusion.

Smokin' Joe Frazier {acted surprised}, but he knew that the game {event} was pre-staged, so he played along.

Muhammad came barreling in by ranting-and-raving.

But the insiders knew it was 'rigged' before-hand.

It was a staged publicity event.

Joe Frazier was one that didn't go for 'Lunch Charades', but he said that he would play along, to make the
'show' look good.

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Originally Posted by Master

Ali is the greatest heavyweight ever and he gave us some of the greatest fights and moments in history.

All your hate will never take that away.

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There could be some argument about Ali being the greatest, he was definitely one of the best. I have no desire to change anything Ali did in or out of the ring. I want to remember all of it! It keeps my blood flowing. Know what I mean? ;)

Tuesday ~ August 26, 1975

Four Seasons ~ New York City, New York

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Ali behaved like an ass for his behaviour and comments to Joe. Ali admitted it, apologised and wished he never did it.

Get over it and remember the fights.

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Ali behaved like an ass for his behaviour and comments to Joe. Ali admitted it, apologised and wished he never did it.

Get over it and remember the fights.

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Muhammad Ali 'never' apologized for anything.

It was 'half-hearted' gesture at best from a 'Certified Sell-Out'.

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Originally Posted by Master

Ali behaved like an ass for his behaviour and comments to Joe. Ali admitted it, apologised and wished he never did it.

Get over it and remember the fights.

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Muhammad Ali 'never' apologized for anything.

It was 'half-hearted' gesture at best from a 'Certified Sell-Out'.

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He did now get a life and move on.

Are You Aware

That the Muhammad Ali Sales and Marketing Team were promoting the sale
of these blue Tee-Shirts.

From August 1975, thru 1980.

Yea, that Muhammad Ali was 'some-kind-of-guy'.

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So what? Joe could have sold T shirts about Ali's infidelity.

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So what? Joe could have sold T shirts about Ali's infidelity.

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True, but the point is, HE DIDN'T. Because Smokin' Joe was a Class Act, something scumbag Ali could never come close to being. Joe was also a faithful family man, while Ali whored around the world acting like a devout Muslim and fucking everything that moved (and some things that DIDN'T move).

Cheated on HIS wife/WIVES incessantly. What an Uncle Tom, trying to copy Elvis Presley. bwAAAAAHAHAHA

In that doc we talked about called facing Ali Foreman said Frazier called him saying " George, Ali keeps calling me an uncle Tom, I don't want people thinking I'm peeping in other people's windows, I'm not a pervert." Frazier thought an uncle Tom was a peeping Tom. Kind of classic, shows how little Frazier grasped all the bs Ali was doing.

Brian Gumble, a great sports writer, of African descent, also wrote an article called Joe Frazier, the white fighter in a Blackman body. He now regrets he ever wrote it but says it was easy to get caught up in that stuff back then.

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So what? Joe could have sold T shirts about Ali's infidelity.

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True, but the point is, HE DIDN'T. Because Smokin' Joe was a Class Act, something scumbag Ali could never come close to being. Joe was also a faithful family man, while Ali whored around the world acting like a devout Muslim and fucking everything that moved (and some things that DIDN'T move).

Cheated on HIS wife/WIVES incessantly. What an Uncle Tom, trying to copy Elvis Presley. bwAAAAAHAHAHA

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In that ring he was great do not forget that

Look at this Mister Master.

Isn't it 'Fucking Hilarious'.


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So what? Joe could have sold T shirts about Ali's infidelity.

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True, but the point is, HE DIDN'T. Because Smokin' Joe was a Class Act, something scumbag Ali could never come close to being. Joe was also a faithful family man, while Ali whored around the world acting like a devout Muslim and fucking everything that moved (and some things that DIDN'T move).

Cheated on HIS wife/WIVES incessantly. What an Uncle Tom, trying to copy Elvis Presley. bwAAAAAHAHAHA

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In that ring he was great do not forget that

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Yes, Ali was a great fighter and he may have been one of the first to create a brand the way he did. Yes, he said some dirty stuff to sell tickets but he showed boxers how to make the fight build up profitable. It's a shame Ali is in the state he is today, it would be great to hear him talk on all that stuff he did back then. It was easy to get caught up in the racial bs in the US in the 70's. I truly dislike what Ali did to Joe. Had Joe had People in his camp who were more adept at counter punching the Ali nonsense it would have been interesting. What I truly disliked reading about Ali is how he was prone to using his thumb on opponents eyes. That and some other tactics rather bothered me as I always have Ali on a pedestal. Still, the man is ONE of the all time greats, I don't subscribe to the greatest of all time but certainly give Ali his due. God, it really hurt me to watch that Spinks fight, I know Ali got a good deal of money but look at his face in the ring prior to the fight, I truly believe Ali was already ill before that fight and that just put the icing on the cake. That fight should have been stopped very early. It was one of the saddest fights I have ever seen.

spinks fight was sad, but this here is worse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlKKn_dUqqA

Yup. Sad stuff Brock, look at that lack of speed. Those fights did more damage to Ali than the brutality of Foreman and Frazier etc. That's my opinion but he was getting whacked so much and so hard a seriously can't watch those fights. I wish Ali had gone out at the top like he said he would by money and fame are enticing as Miles shows us often here. By the way Brock, look up Barclays Center in NYC and see what fights are coming up.

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Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom

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Originally Posted by Master

Ali behaved like an ass for his behaviour and comments to Joe. Ali admitted it, apologised and wished he never did it.

Get over it and remember the fights.

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Muhammad Ali 'never' apologized for anything.

It was 'half-hearted' gesture at best from a 'Certified Sell-Out'.

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Bullshit!!! Joe himself told us that Ali did apologize for what he did to him. Joe understood most of it was purely hype but the thing that bothered him most was his kids being teased saying their Daddy was a Gorilla. Ali had silly names for every one of his opponents The Mummy, The Rabbit, The Washerwoman etc it was part of Ali's charisma.. He himself was called The Louisville Lip. Watch Facing Ali not one of Ali's opponents had ill feelings the all respected him
Joe forgave him its time you haters did too You condemn Ali for things he said now read what you've said about a very sick man Don't be hypocritical

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Originally Posted by Master

So what? Joe could have sold T shirts about Ali's infidelity.

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True, but the point is, HE DIDN'T. Because Smokin' Joe was a Class Act, something scumbag Ali could never come close to being. Joe was also a faithful family man, while Ali whored around the world acting like a devout Muslim and fucking everything that moved (and some things that DIDN'T move).

Cheated on HIS wife/WIVES incessantly. What an Uncle Tom, trying to copy Elvis Presley. bwAAAAAHAHAHA

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Tell me Have you read Joe Fraziers life story?? Obviously not Joe had two women pregnant at same time in his early days Face it these guys are fighters not Angels.
I ve done things I'm not proud of in my life & wish I could take them back. We all have
Joes book Smiokin Joe is well worth a read

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So what? Joe could have sold T shirts about Ali's infidelity.

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True, but the point is, HE DIDN'T. Because Smokin' Joe was a Class Act, something scumbag Ali could never come close to being. Joe was also a faithful family man, while Ali whored around the world acting like a devout Muslim and fucking everything that moved (and some things that DIDN'T move).

Cheated on HIS wife/WIVES incessantly. What an Uncle Tom, trying to copy Elvis Presley. bwAAAAAHAHAHA

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Tell me Have you read Joe Fraziers life story?? Obviously not Joe had two women pregnant at same time in his early days Face it these guys are fighters not Angels.
I ve done things I'm not proud of in my life & wish I could take them back. We all have
Joes book Smiokin Joe is well worth a read

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C.J. Rock,

You are violating the Forum Rules.

Follow the Thread Title.

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Originally Posted by Master

Ali behaved like an ass for his behaviour and comments to Joe. Ali admitted it, apologised and wished he never did it.

Get over it and remember the fights.

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Muhammad Ali 'never' apologized for anything.

It was 'half-hearted' gesture at best from a 'Certified Sell-Out'.

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Bullshit!!! Joe himself told us that Ali did apologize for what he did to him. Joe understood most of it was purely hype but the thing that bothered him most was his kids being teased saying their Daddy was a Gorilla. Ali had silly names for every one of his opponents The Mummy, The Rabbit, The Washerwoman etc it was part of Ali's charisma.. He himself was called The Louisville Lip. Watch Facing Ali not one of Ali's opponents had ill feelings the all respected him
Joe forgave him its time you haters did too You condemn Ali for things he said now read what you've said about a very sick man Don't be hypocritical

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True but Ali was intentionally brutal word wise to Joe for some time. It hurt Joe, Ali ended up getting black America to dislike him. I'm not an Ali hater but but he went overboard with Joe and the apology took a while. Still, they both brought great things to boxing.

Tuesday ~ August 26, 1975

Muhammad Ali entered the 'Four Seasons' Restaurant wearing a blue Tee-Shirt that bore a Gorilla,
with the words 'Manila Gorilla' stenciled on them.

Muhammad marched right up to Joe Frazier who was sitting behind a long table.

Smokin' Joe had been 'tipped off' of what was going to happen. To Joe Frazier, it was no big deal,
and nothing that Muhammad Ali did {or could do} would bother him.

The 'Scum Bag' had 20 or so of his 'Clown Posse' behind him.

Joe Frazier was smiling, as he knew the show was rigged.

Smokin' Joe blurted out > "I've seen this all before, on Late Night TV reruns at 2:00 AM in the Morning."

Both Angleo Dundee and Drew 'Bundini' Brown were right by Muhammad's side, along with a host
of 20 others.

Muhammad Ali moved close to Smokin' Joe and yelled >

"I'm here to agitate Frazier. He is 'The Gorilla from Manila'. He shouldn't be allowed out of the Zoo. He should
be put back in his cage at the Zoo with a bunch of bananas."

"Somebody get the Zoo-Keeper, and tell then that the Gorilla broke out his cage and snuck into a New York City
restaurant wearing clothes."

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So Joe played along nice touch.

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So Joe played along nice touch.

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He may have played along for that press conference master but I don't think he thought he was going to have to play along for the next 10 years

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So Joe played along nice touch.

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He may have played along for that press conference master but I don't think he thought he was going to have to play along for the next 10 years

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He got over it, maybe you should too.

Tuesday ~ August 26, 1975

While all the this is going on.

Drew 'Bundini Brown {Scum-Bag Leech} is yelling at Smokin' Joe >
"We gonna stick em'. We gonna stick em' all night in Manila."

Smokin' Joe just remained calm, and took it all in gest.

'Bundini' was rambling on like a revivalist. Then Muhammad Ali stated chanting >
"We gonna stick em'. We gonna stick em' all night."

Then Muhammad Ali leaned over the table, and started poking at Smokin' Joe.

Muhammad was flicking jabs at Smokin' Joe's forehead.

Smokin' Joe didn't even flinch. He just smiled and played along for 3-Minutes.

Then Smokin' Joe stood up, and there was a 'hush' then went over the Restaurant.

Immediately, Muhammad Ali's entourage {Scum Baggers} jumped in, and formed a wall in front
their Boss' and acted as a barrier for the 'Scum Bag'.



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Brock you dummy, I meant see if they have any boxing events coming up at the Barclays center. I wouldn't want to go down for craft beer. They put on a lot of good fights there

It must gnaw at the pit of one's stomach to hate someone who's so beloved and famous.

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It must gnaw at the pit of one's stomach to hate someone who's so beloved and famous.

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I don't hate the 'Scum Bag'.

Check This Out.

The 'Scum Bag' calling Joe Frazier a 'Gorilla'.

And all the media and 'Super Scum Bag' and Murderer - Don King laughing.

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It must gnaw at the pit of one's stomach to hate someone who's so beloved and famous.

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Does not bother me at all, I live and let live, if you like him that is great. I do not like him and it feels great! Do what you want because I sure will. See how it works? There is no gnawing going on!;D
No cursing.;D No screaming.;D Just some very committed hating going on here.;D
Seems like it gnaws on you when someone dislikes your hero? Do not let it bother you, as you well know we are just a bunch of misguided boxing fans.:rolleyes:

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It must gnaw at the pit of one's stomach to hate someone who's so beloved and famous.

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Does not bother me at all, I live and let live, if you like him that is great. I do not like him and it feels great! Do what you want because I sure will. See how it works? There is no gnawing going on!;D
No cursing.;D No screaming.;D Just some very committed hating going on here.;D
Seems like it gnaws on you when someone dislikes your hero? Do not let it bother you, as you well know we are just a bunch of misguided boxing fans.:rolleyes:

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Oh, I know you don't lose much sleep over it. Really wasn't referring to you. ;)
I can pretty much tell plain ol' hate from rabid obsession.

You see.... you can hate a fighter and go on with life without obsessing about the person's personal life, such as..... how limp he is.... how bad a tipper he is.... how bad of a husband/father he is.... etc, etc. Once you become obsessed to the point of making up stories and supposed quotes..... you've entered the realm of needing Industrial-Strength Mylanta to sleep at night.

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So what? Joe could have sold T shirts about Ali's infidelity.

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True, but the point is, HE DIDN'T. Because Smokin' Joe was a Class Act, something scumbag Ali could never come close to being. Joe was also a faithful family man, while Ali whored around the world acting like a devout Muslim and fucking everything that moved (and some things that DIDN'T move).

Cheated on HIS wife/WIVES incessantly. What an Uncle Tom, trying to copy Elvis Presley. bwAAAAAHAHAHA

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Tell me Have you read Joe Fraziers life story?? Obviously not Joe had two women pregnant at same time in his early days Face it these guys are fighters not Angels.
I ve done things I'm not proud of in my life & wish I could take them back. We all have
Joes book Smiokin Joe is well worth a read

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C.J. Rock,

You are violating the Forum Rules.

Follow the Thread Title.

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When did you become a mod Billy Boy lol ??? In actual fact Joe was known as Billy Boy in his younger years

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So what? Joe could have sold T shirts about Ali's infidelity.

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True, but the point is, HE DIDN'T. Because Smokin' Joe was a Class Act, something scumbag Ali could never come close to being. Joe was also a faithful family man, while Ali whored around the world acting like a devout Muslim and fucking everything that moved (and some things that DIDN'T move).

Cheated on HIS wife/WIVES incessantly. What an Uncle Tom, trying to copy Elvis Presley. bwAAAAAHAHAHA

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Tell me Have you read Joe Fraziers life story?? Obviously not Joe had two women pregnant at same time in his early days Face it these guys are fighters not Angels.
I ve done things I'm not proud of in my life & wish I could take them back. We all have
Joes book Smiokin Joe is well worth a read

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C.J. Rock,

You are violating the Forum Rules.

Follow the Thread Title.

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When did you become a mod Billy Boy lol ??? In actual fact Joe was known as Billy Boy in his younger years

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Bill can not handle the truth!

Tuesday ~ August 26, 1975

Now that Smokin' Joe stood up, there was a concern that he would grab 'The Scum Bag' and
break his coward neck.

But Smokin' Joe just smiled.

Muhammad Ai, realizing he was safe, then started to send out flicking left-jabs aimed at
Smokin' Joe's forehead, and missing by a 1/2" inch.

Smokin' Joe again, never flinched.

Finally, Muhammad realized that he couldn't intimidate Smokin' Joe, so he put out his left-hand
and made a fist. He gently placed it on Smokin' Joe's forehead.

Smokin' Joe then started laughing while saying >
"Don't you fella's see how scared I am."

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