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Re: Klitshcko - Fury the gloves are off
Has Tyson Fury taken a punch from a legit power puncher before?
I mean I saw Cunningham put him on his ass, I saw Pajkic put him down. Those guys aren't big time punchers by any stretch of the imagination. To Tyson's credit he recovered well, but there is no way on Earth if he gets cracked like that from Wladimir that he will shake it off and be standing on solid legs right afterwards.
I don't rate Fury as a threat, he's goofy, and he might get to some fighters mentally and yeah Wlad has a lot of stuff going on in regards to his wife right now so maybe Fury thinks he can get Wlad angry or have Wlad use up some energy by being angry or mad or what have you....but Wlad is a fucking professional, he's had guys try to get him angry like that before....I just don't get where the confidence in Fury comes from other than he's probably too fucking stupid to know that he's in big time trouble once the bell rings.
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Has Tyson Fury taken a punch from a legit power puncher before?
I mean I saw Cunningham put him on his ass, I saw Pajkic put him down. Those guys aren't big time punchers by any stretch of the imagination. To Tyson's credit he recovered well, but there is no way on Earth if he gets cracked like that from Wladimir that he will shake it off and be standing on solid legs right afterwards.
I don't rate Fury as a threat, he's goofy, and he might get to some fighters mentally and yeah Wlad has a lot of stuff going on in regards to his wife right now so maybe Fury thinks he can get Wlad angry or have Wlad use up some energy by being angry or mad or what have you....but Wlad is a fucking professional, he's had guys try to get him angry like that before....I just don't get where the confidence in Fury comes from other than he's probably too fucking stupid to know that he's in big time trouble once the bell rings.
All the same things were said about Clay v Liston:cool:
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All the same things were said about Clay v Liston:cool:
And it's fine that you wish to keep clinging to really extreme examples like that, but typically the case is the experienced fighter beats the inexperienced fighter.
I mean you come in saying Fury is young, Fury is big, Wlad's never seen anyone like Fury before and I could say.....
All the same things were said about Hopkins vs Pavlik :cool:
or
All the same things were said about Calzaghe vs Lacy :cool:
or
All the same things were said about Duran vs Barkley :cool:
but whatever man
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I find the example of Clay v Liston funny , because Liston was a plodding power puncher , Clay was a fleet footed fancy dan who avoided punches better than any HW.
Fury is a big lump with no defence and is fighting a big power puncher who is fast of hand and foot.
Lets face it fury is about as hard to " FIND ", as a turd in a punch bowl.
Chalk and cheese.
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I find the example of Clay v Liston funny , because Liston was a plodding power puncher , Clay was a fleet footed fancy dan who avoided punches better than any HW.
Fury is a big lump with no defence and is fighting a big power puncher who is fast of hand and foot.
Lets face it fury is about as hard to " FIND ", as a turd in a punch bowl.
Chalk and cheese.
Clay wasn't considered a "fleet footed fancy dan who avoided punches better than any HW" at all!!
He had been dropped twice by much smaller men who neither were ever workd class and the smaller one, Cooper was his last fight before Liston.
He was far from considered either unhittable or having a good chin;D
This is why I use it as an example. You just cant get your head around how poorly he was thought of before the Liston fight because you have the luxury of knowing his whole career but at that point no one gave him a chamce and he was 8/1 to beat Liston compared to Furys 3/1 to beat Klitschko.
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Breaking news !!!!!
Cassius Clay adopts totally new style , and dances rings around plodding champion Sonny Liston.
Nobody would have seen this young slugger turn boxer for this fight !!! wow.
What are the odds ???????
Amazing.
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Breaking news !!!!!
Cassius Clay adopts totally new style , and dances rings around plodding champion Sonny Liston.
Nobody would have seen this young slugger turn boxer for this fight !!! wow.
What are the odds ???????
Amazing.
He had been dropped by two much smaller men. He wasnt hard to hit and didnt have a great chin. This was the assessment of him. There is a ring artical on it. An interesting side fact is that Liston had a longer reach than Klitschko!
"Of 58 sportswriters polled before the fight, 55 picked Liston to win and the vast majority thought he'd end matters quickly. In retrospect it's difficult to believe Clay was such a profound underdog but at the time several compelling reasons fueled their opinions.
First, Liston was a textbook fighter with a complete arsenal of deadly punches while Clay broke every imaginable rule of boxing fundamentals. He kept his hands too low. He leaned away from punches instead of slipping them. He never punched to the body. He knew nothing about fighting in the trenches. His hook and uppercut – which he used rarely – were average at best.
Second, Clay had a questionable chin. He suffered a flash knockdown against Sonny Banks and was nearly knocked senseless by Henry Cooper in his most recent fight eight months earlier. The punch that floored Clay both times: The left hook. And what was Liston's best punch? The left hook.
Third, despite the 14 knockouts in his 19-0 record and the fact that he had stopped 10 of his last 11 opponents, Clay didn't appear to have the one-punch power to earn Liston's respect.
Finally, the experts thought the 22-year-old Clay was mentally unstable and lacked the maturity to be world heavyweight champion. Those criticisms seemingly were confirmed the morning of the fight when Clay instigated the most chaotic weigh-in ceremony the boxing world had ever seen."
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He had been dropped by two much smaller men. He wasnt hard to hit and didnt have a great chin. This was the assessment of him. There is a ring artical on it. An interesting side fact is that Liston had a longer reach than Klitschko!
"Of 58 sportswriters polled before the fight, 55 picked Liston to win and the vast majority thought he'd end matters quickly. In retrospect it's difficult to believe Clay was such a profound underdog but at the time several compelling reasons fueled their opinions.
First, Liston was a textbook fighter with a complete arsenal of deadly punches while Clay broke every imaginable rule of boxing fundamentals. He kept his hands too low. He leaned away from punches instead of slipping them. He never punched to the body. He knew nothing about fighting in the trenches. His hook and uppercut – which he used rarely – were average at best.
Second, Clay had a questionable chin. He suffered a flash knockdown against Sonny Banks and was nearly knocked senseless by Henry Cooper in his most recent fight eight months earlier. The punch that floored Clay both times: The left hook. And what was Liston's best punch? The left hook.
Third, despite the 14 knockouts in his 19-0 record and the fact that he had stopped 10 of his last 11 opponents, Clay didn't appear to have the one-punch power to earn Liston's respect.
Finally, the experts thought the 22-year-old Clay was mentally unstable and lacked the maturity to be world heavyweight champion. Those criticisms seemingly were confirmed the morning of the fight when Clay instigated the most chaotic weigh-in ceremony the boxing world had ever seen."
......please.....tell us more......there are......so many parallels between these fights :vd:
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Al is right Ali's defense was incredible at times for a HW. Reflexes and speed, something big ol Tyson Fury does not have in spades. He could throw a hook, but nothing like Frazier, and certainly not like Fury. Good luck putting Wlad in a headlock like Cunningham. Not going to happen.
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Al is right Ali's defense was incredible at times for a HW. Reflexes and speed, something big ol Tyson Fury does not have in spades. He could throw a hook, but nothing like Frazier, and certainly not like Fury. Good luck putting Wlad in a headlock like Cunningham. Not going to happen.
Who do you think will win Klitschko-Fury and how?
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I know the kids spuds will explode with a fury win but logic says fury has beaten nobody of note , he has shown a weak chin against light punchers , his defence is as water tight as a haddock's bathing costum . He will lose by KO and like Sarah Jessica Parker , it won't be pretty!
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I know the kids spuds will explode with a fury win but logic says fury has beaten nobody of note , he has shown a weak chin against light punchers , his defence is as water tight as a haddock's bathing costum . He will lose by KO and like Sarah Jessica Parker , it won't be pretty!
But the same thing was said about Ali before he fought Liston
HA I FUCKING BEAT YOU TO IT ROSS YOU COCKSUCKER!
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I know the kids spuds will explode with a fury win but logic says fury has beaten nobody of note , he has shown a weak chin against light punchers , his defence is as water tight as a haddock's bathing costum . He will lose by KO and like Sarah Jessica Parker , it won't be pretty!
But the same thing was said about Ali before he fought Liston
HA I FUCKING BEAT YOU TO IT ROSS YOU COCKSUCKER!
You didnt beat me to it, you used it because its relevant. Calm down, your getting excited again and lowering the tone.
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Al is right Ali's defense was incredible at times for a HW. Reflexes and speed, something big ol Tyson Fury does not have in spades. He could throw a hook, but nothing like Frazier, and certainly not like Fury. Good luck putting Wlad in a headlock like Cunningham. Not going to happen.
Who do you think will win Klitschko-Fury and how?
Wlad by brutal KO. It will be like the title of the Starsky and Hutch second season episode which originally started off as the test pilot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqODbg4nPbU
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Early rounds Klit KO. He will come out with a vengeance and throw big ones, all fury has got is bar room and fouling, end of in 3 rounds.
Fury then begging for a fight with Joshua, getting no response (why risk a potential world champion against a pikey who could foul him out) Haye will then knock him the fuck out for about 1 and a bit mill, you heard it here first.
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.....I just hope the ring is big enough to hold him horizontally is all. You know, once Fury is knocked out.
Good one! Probably had Ross sticking his fist in his mouth to keep from screaming!
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.....I just hope the ring is big enough to hold him horizontally is all. You know, once Fury is knocked out.
Good one! Probably had Ross sticking his fist in his mouth to keep from screaming!
The IQ is getting lower in here the closer the fight gets. Will be a good clear out when im the last man standing after:cool:
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I think Fury's height could work against him. Lennox Lewis was always more explosive against fighters around his height. The best Wlad looked in recent times was against 6'5 Pulev.
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I think Fury's height could work against him. Lennox Lewis was always more explosive against fighters around his height. The best Wlad looked in recent times was against 6'5 Pulev.
I dont know why the height is being made such a deal of like its Tysons only asset. Its not that hes taller, or even how much taller. Its Tysons fighting ability, stamna and desire will all be too much. His size is an added bonus because Wlad will be made to work because he cant lean on a taller man.
Wlad looked good against Wach? Povetkn looked better. Wach isnt much.
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I dont know why the height is being made such a deal of like its Tysons only asset. Its not that hes taller, or even how much taller. Its Tysons fighting ability, stamna and desire will all be too much. His size is an added bonus because Wlad will be made to work because he cant lean on a taller man.
Wlad looked good against Wach? Povetkn looked better. Wach isnt much.
1. Because it kinda IS his only asset...I mean if Tyson Fury was 6'3 would we see him differently? I think YES...if Wlad was 6'3 he'd still hold titles despite what people who assume his only asset is his size might say. Also Tyson Fury is talking about how big he is and how "Wlad has never fought a guy my size" :rolleyes:
2. Yeah, Tyson Fury has shown great things in the ring......against BUMS
3. The bigger the fighter the easier it is for Wlad....a bigger slower target that has long arms and throws loopy wide punches with no zip on them.....ooooh I'm sure Wlad is super scared of fighting against THAT.
I honestly don't know why people (posters, boxing pundits, retired and active boxers) say "We'll see how Wlad handles a fight vs someone his own size".......ummm we've seen this many times before: Wlad vs McCline (TKO win), Wlad vs Austin (KO win), Wlad vs Thompson (TKO win), Wlad vs Thompson II (KO win), Wlad vs Wach (UD win), Wlad vs Pianetta (TKO win), Wlad vs Pulev (KO win).
Wlad throws sharper punches, Wlad moves better, Wlad has more experience, Wlad has more power, Wlad is harder to hit.
ross you compare Tyson Fury to Wladimir like you believe Wlad is Nicolay Valuev....Tyson Fury CAN move and punch in a more fluid manner than Valuev did, but Tyson Fury isn't anywhere near the same level as Wlad....I guess you'll just have to see for yourself.
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.....I just hope the ring is big enough to hold him horizontally is all. You know, once Fury is knocked out.
Good one! Probably had Ross sticking his fist in his mouth to keep from screaming!
The IQ is getting lower in here the closer the fight gets. Will be a good clear out when im the last man standing after:cool:
Ross, we care about you! Honestly, we're trying to prepare you for the inevitable. We're trying our best to make you, at the very least, accept the possibility that Fury could lose. It's all coming from the heart, amigo! Once you say, "Yes, Fury could lose." I'll stop needling you. Yes, I'm almost positive I can do that! ;D
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I think Fury's height could work against him. Lennox Lewis was always more explosive against fighters around his height. The best Wlad looked in recent times was against 6'5 Pulev.
I dont know why the height is being made such a deal of like its Tysons only asset. Its not that hes taller, or even how much taller. Its Tysons fighting ability, stamna and desire will all be too much. His size is an added bonus because Wlad will be made to work because he cant lean on a taller man.
Wlad looked good against Wach? Povetkn looked better. Wach isnt much.
Wach was also all roided up for the fight vs Wlad and even attempted to use a doctored glove....but whatever, Wlad still handed Mariusz his first loss. That's another thing Wlad is good at doing in case you hadn't noticed.
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Im relishing it!
You have a biased, warped way of interpreting what you see in Tyson. Your over excited now, just wait until this absolutely useless boxer beats Wlad. What does that say about Wlad then?
I didnt know steroids made you skilful? Maybe thats why Wlads been around so long? Maybe thats why he fights better in Germany? Maybe thats why Pulev accused him of taking steroids?
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.....I just hope the ring is big enough to hold him horizontally is all. You know, once Fury is knocked out.
Good one! Probably had Ross sticking his fist in his mouth to keep from screaming!
The IQ is getting lower in here the closer the fight gets. Will be a good clear out when im the last man standing after:cool:
Ross, we care about you! Honestly, we're trying to prepare you for the inevitable. We're trying our best to make you, at the very least, accept the possibility that Fury could lose. It's all coming from the heart, amigo! Once you say, "Yes, Fury could lose." I'll stop needling you. Yes, I'm almost positive I can do that! ;D
When Tyson wins you will all have to bow down to me because I knew and was sure he would win.
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beenKOed
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.....I just hope the ring is big enough to hold him horizontally is all. You know, once Fury is knocked out.
Good one! Probably had Ross sticking his fist in his mouth to keep from screaming!
The IQ is getting lower in here the closer the fight gets. Will be a good clear out when im the last man standing after:cool:
Ross, we care about you! Honestly, we're trying to prepare you for the inevitable. We're trying our best to make you, at the very least, accept the possibility that Fury could lose. It's all coming from the heart, amigo! Once you say, "Yes, Fury could lose." I'll stop needling you. Yes, I'm almost positive I can do that! ;D
When Tyson wins you will all have to bow down to me because I knew and was sure he would win.
LOL
Ross, your are haplessly hopeless.
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Vitali has been away for a while and has deteriorated considerably but Wlad's camp believes he will still be fighting at or above Tyson's level, so they brought him in to do some sparring. :D
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Vitali has been away for a while and has deteriorated considerably but Wlad's camp believes he will still be fighting at or above Tyson's level, so they brought him in to do some sparring. :D
Vitali is getting back in the swing of things for when he has to try beat Tyson for his brother;D
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Fury knows more about boxing? Idiot
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Fury will lose inside 3 rounds is my prediction.
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I think Fury's height could work against him. Lennox Lewis was always more explosive against fighters around his height. The best Wlad looked in recent times was against 6'5 Pulev.
I dont know why the height is being made such a deal of like its Tysons only asset. Its not that hes taller, or even how much taller. Its Tysons fighting ability, stamna and desire will all be too much. His size is an added bonus because Wlad will be made to work because he cant lean on a taller man.
Wlad looked good against Wach? Povetkn looked better. Wach isnt much.
I reckon Tysons Man Tits will clinch it for him
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Fury will lose inside 3 rounds is my prediction.
I agree, he will get hit very hard, very early. Not sure I will PPV it though, not a competitive fight.
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Fury talks a good fight but will he deliver the goods,! it's could be entertaining or Fury takes a beating
we will see on Saturday, I have to go for Wald think he has far to much for Fury,! but they are HW
and anything can happen.
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I think Fury's height could work against him. Lennox Lewis was always more explosive against fighters around his height. The best Wlad looked in recent times was against 6'5 Pulev.
I dont know why the height is being made such a deal of like its Tysons only asset. Its not that hes taller, or even how much taller. Its Tysons fighting ability, stamna and desire will all be too much. His size is an added bonus because Wlad will be made to work because he cant lean on a taller man.
Wlad looked good against Wach? Povetkn looked better. Wach isnt much.
I reckon Tysons Man Tits will clinch it for him
Tyson's scary looking, nightmarish even, with those things flopping around. I suspect being smacked in the face with on of those things is Wlad's biggest fear!
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"Much like Ali vs Liston....and I'm not comparing Tyson Fury to Ali"
ENOUGH ALREADY! We all get it, Tyson is acting crazy, or is he? Oh it's a fun game look he's dressed like Batman! Tyson Fury knows his boxing history! He's got Wladimir flustered.
Wladimir speaks English as like a 7th language and he STILL speaks better than Tyson Fury. Tyson Fury and the whole of the Tyson Fury bandwagon of fans are mistaking Wlad's kindness for weakness and when the bell finally rings for the fight the reality of Wladimir's power and boxing prowess are going to crash down very hard on that giant gypsy gourd of Tyson Fury and all this frivolous bullshit will be recognized for what it is.....a fat dumb gypsy's attempt to try and sell himself as a great boxer. Tyson Fury isn't even the best boxer in his own country, much less the world!
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"Much like Ali vs Liston....and I'm not comparing Tyson Fury to Ali"
ENOUGH ALREADY! We all get it, Tyson is acting crazy, or is he? Oh it's a fun game look he's dressed like Batman! Tyson Fury knows his boxing history! He's got Wladimir flustered.
Wladimir speaks English as like a 7th language and he STILL speaks better than Tyson Fury. Tyson Fury and the whole of the Tyson Fury bandwagon of fans are mistaking Wlad's kindness for weakness and when the bell finally rings for the fight the reality of Wladimir's power and boxing prowess are going to crash down very hard on that giant gypsy gourd of Tyson Fury and all this frivolous bullshit will be recognized for what it is.....
a fat dumb gypsy's attempt to try and sell himself as a great boxer. Tyson Fury isn't even the best boxer in his own country, much less the world!
See now this is what I was talking about and where I find it insulting. That is not constructive criticism.
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"Much like Ali vs Liston....and I'm not comparing Tyson Fury to Ali"
ENOUGH ALREADY! We all get it, Tyson is acting crazy, or is he? Oh it's a fun game look he's dressed like Batman! Tyson Fury knows his boxing history! He's got Wladimir flustered.
Wladimir speaks English as like a 7th language and he STILL speaks better than Tyson Fury. Tyson Fury and the whole of the Tyson Fury bandwagon of fans are mistaking Wlad's kindness for weakness and when the bell finally rings for the fight the reality of Wladimir's power and boxing prowess are going to crash down very hard on that giant gypsy gourd of Tyson Fury and all this frivolous bullshit will be recognized for what it is.....
a fat dumb gypsy's attempt to try and sell himself as a great boxer. Tyson Fury isn't even the best boxer in his own country, much less the world!
See now this is what I was talking about and where I find it insulting. That is not constructive criticism.
Who's trying to be constructive? And I don't need to have had professional or amateur fights to call Tyson Fury fat, dumb, or a gypsy....he's quite easily pegged as all three. He admits he's a gypsy, you can look at him and see he's fat, and well if you listen to him talk about anything you can tell he's stupid. I haven't called him a coward though now have I Mr. I've boxed and judged and reffed all my life?
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"Much like Ali vs Liston....and I'm not comparing Tyson Fury to Ali"
ENOUGH ALREADY! We all get it, Tyson is acting crazy, or is he? Oh it's a fun game look he's dressed like Batman! Tyson Fury knows his boxing history! He's got Wladimir flustered.
Wladimir speaks English as like a 7th language and he STILL speaks better than Tyson Fury. Tyson Fury and the whole of the Tyson Fury bandwagon of fans are mistaking Wlad's kindness for weakness and when the bell finally rings for the fight the reality of Wladimir's power and boxing prowess are going to crash down very hard on that giant gypsy gourd of Tyson Fury and all this frivolous bullshit will be recognized for what it is.....
a fat dumb gypsy's attempt to try and sell himself as a great boxer. Tyson Fury isn't even the best boxer in his own country, much less the world!
See now this is what I was talking about and where I find it insulting. That is not constructive criticism.
Who's trying to be constructive? And I don't need to have had professional or amateur fights to call Tyson Fury fat, dumb, or a gypsy....he's quite easily pegged as all three. He admits he's a gypsy, you can look at him and see he's fat, and well if you listen to him talk about anything you can tell he's stupid. I haven't called him a coward though now have I Mr. I've boxed and judged and reffed all my life?
Just grow up and stop talkng like this fight affects you personally.
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Just grow up and stop talkng like this fight affects you personally.
...said pot to kettle :-X
