Nearing the 'mount o' casserole dump' with the leftovers. Sometimes that's the best. At the end you just pile a plate and make sure no one is watching :-X
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Nearing the 'mount o' casserole dump' with the leftovers. Sometimes that's the best. At the end you just pile a plate and make sure no one is watching :-X
Disease weakened the Indian tribes well before any Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock. So, instead of fighting off the Pilgrims, some tribes, weakened by disease, allied themselves with the Pilgrims. Now, tough shit for them, because of the diseases the Pilgrims carried further hurt the tribes allied with the white devils. When other tribes attacked, as Indian tribes were wont to do (whether you fucking like it or not) those tribes caught beat downs because they didn't have guns, the white devils did.
Now miles, I find your view of history to be naïve and condescending especially to Indians. Sure they did not have the technological advances the settlers had, but you act as though the Indians were docile imbeciles who had no sense of self preservation. It's very offensive intellectually because self preservation, just a simple survival instinct is the most basic trait in any life form and your view is that those groups of humans just didn't have that at all and this is why they were just mowed down like blades of grass by the horrible awful cause of everything evil ever in the history of the world, the white devil.
Fucking pathetic miles. I expect that kind of excrement from Brockton, but not you.
"Let me explain something to you 'Tonto'. You've got 48-Hours to get out,
or we're going to take some Indian Ass."
"You here me there Chief."
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It isn't pathetic. I have read books on this particular subject as it interests me and though illness played its role, the North American Indians had genocide carried out upon them by marauding invaders. The last book I read empahised the Spanish were much worse, but the chaps up North were doing their best to abuse and slaughter too. It was a shameful period in your history and you should be ashamed of yourself trying to use revisionism to justify it all.
You can read?!?!?!
Well read this Aztec Empire 300,000 men....Conquistadors 90–100 cavalry 900–1,300 infantry 6 guns......and helping those Conquistadors??????
Tlaxcala Indians with a force of 80,000-200,000 and the Cempoala Indians with an additional 400 strong.
And to answer the question:
"Why would Indians help destroy other Indians?"
Because they were tired of being slaughtered by the fucking Aztecs! And it was the exact same in the early United States.
Don't tell me to be ashamed, try peddling your white guilt horse shit elsewhere!
Lyle, this is me. Can I read? I work half a year, I read more than most. David Stannard's work documents the genocides as well as any other.
My advice is more simple than yours. Try reading a book and learn something about your country. Humility will help you grow.
So basically you're victim blaming the Tlaxcala and Cempoala because NEWSFLASH the Conquistadores alone didn't topple the Aztec Empire.....hate to be the one to break that to you miles, but it happened.
Yes some Indians died of diseases....now if you think the Europeans were sooooo far advanced that they knew of biological warfare well before anyone else that's I guess is fine, but I'm not buying it.
That makes no sense, but being British or American, how could you know any other way? I reject all of that and I know what is right. I will never defend a power control system for the sake of it.
It might explain him being better informed than you though. I know you think that is an unthinkable concept, and that you are the most well read man on earth, but maybe, just maybe, you could leave the lecturing in the classroom for once and try learning something from somebody else.
Biased history books are a thing of the past, with the wealth of information now available to everyone. Still.... the same books, articles, essays, etc that are read by someone who's American are available to someone who isn't. Hence, my tongue-in-cheek comment awhile back.
Miles' claim of genocide over the Indians may be a bit overdramatic, but Lyle's only too quick to counteract the argument with his own claims. Neither of them were there, so as usual with these history arguments, it depends on which side you want to win.
....and also that happened a lot in history too, the "interracial relationships" between white devils and Indians.
But yes my wife is Indian, no it doesn't "repeal" history :rolleyes: .....but it also doesn't mean your version of history is correct.
Were there atrocities in those times? Yes, and they were on BOTH SIDES! Sorry to break that to you. If the Aztecs could have defeated the Conquistadores and kept the land to themselves they certainly would have done so, and they certainly would have kept raping and pillaging the other smaller tribes around.
You're defending the Aztecs.....they were a power control system.....soooo yeah, you kinda would and are doing that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l153atE72OA
Winner Lyle :lyle:
Loser miles :angryxo4:
I do not lose. If you want to lose then say something.
Oooh, my wife is Korean so that makes it all okay. Does it fuck! I want to .....die. I don't care anymore....bye bye.
It's not an argument it's a statement of FACT. Indian tribes helped the Conquistadores topple the Aztecs....the Aztecs were the "power control system" in that geopolitical area at the time and they weren't all nicey nice and peaceful.....they massacred MANY Indians themselves......and it is just so very brave of you to whitewash that from your mind. You memory hole well, doubleplus good comrade!
If you want to think that the Aztecs were just happy go lucky, sunshine and rainbows, to anyone and everyone until the evil mean Conquistadores came then go right ahead........but history doesn't support you in thinking that.
I thought you had ragequit?
Plymouth Rock
This looks like a good place to set up Camp.
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Actually no I didn't say that at all. I said I understood history better because I'm not a social justice warrior. Meaning I don't look to see whose feelings got hurt or which group felt oppressed or which group needed to have their privilege checked, I look at history in context....which is the only way it should be viewed.
Walrus you low down dirty piece of excrement. Beanz has been so entertaining and pleasant lately; we are getting along just fine and precisely now @walrus you want to stir the shit between me and Beanz like the trouble making gambler and alcoholic that you truly are up there at the American Indian casinos in Connecticut with your gambling partner who we all know is named ~Ass~ "Candle"
OK, ...whew! So we're still good then? :-)
@walrus
See? Fuck off walrus. You can never get between us.