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Ezzard CharlesQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
"Clay is good. He is very fast, and very difficult to hit. But he will be beaten by a guy
who can keep up the pressure on him {Joe Frazier}."
"I throw out his bouts with Sonny Liston. They weren't real fights. They were more like
staged dance routines."
"I mean, if a guy like Henry Copper can drop him, then that tells me he isn't all that he
is cracked up to be. He was out, and his Ass was lucky it was at the end of the Round."
Ezzard Charles
Nah, I could never see Cassius Clay as a Top 5 Heavyweight. Just because he beat up Sonny Liston,
who was old, and out of shape. Nah, that don't tell me much.
Ali beat Frazier and then took the punches of Foreman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom
Ezzard was wrong I asked him yesterday and he said "I was wrong, Ali is the greatest".
Ezzard Charles
"Yea, we all sat around and watched Cassius defend his title against some pudgy Spaniard
from Uruguay, named Alfredo."
"Now, that was Fucking Funny."
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Ezzard also told me you were an ass Bill and that he hated you.
what mistakes are these? was it carrying his hands down by his waist, like gene tunney? or was it pulling straight back, like floyd mayweather? what mistakes are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
If you are a fan who can't live without a ranking system, ATG makes more sense to me. I can see Ali ranking in the top 15 on a heavyweight ATG list. The thing about Ali is that he was much bigger outside of boxing and that affects where many fans would rank him on any list.
Only top 15! Give me your list. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
You'll have to pay to see it, PPV and I are going to ring you dry, you danged skin-fling. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterOnly top 15! Give me your list. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
I liked both Ali and Robinson and when I was growing up I watched Ali as he surprisingly whipped Sonny Liston. Sonny was not a flashy fighter he was good but took too long to get a title shot and who knew how old he really was. Along came Ali with a fast mouth and this is important, a large ego. The bigger the ego the more driven when challenged. All the ATG's had egos but few worked well on you psychologically. Sonny Liston did text book boxing and won correctly and his ego was comprised of being tough as Ali's was anything you can do will never compare to me and he taunted them into a frenzy they could not recover from. George Foreman was strong and driven he was more man according to him. For Dempsey his enemy was his ego and the fact that he hated neutral corners but boxing was going through a change and he was not mentally prepared for what became know as "The long count.". It is easy to be tough when you are standing behind the referee waiting for someone to get up but if they got up and won then someone's ego would suffer greatly. Jack Johnson was proud of being black and pissed off the bigots of his time but with the evolution of boxing his style would be obsolete in this era but all time greats were good in their time but crossing the time line I would not venture to put them on a pound for pound list today. Foreman came back to erase an error, losing the title he ferociously loved. IamInuit put it in properer perspective when he mentioned guys I felt like Manny and Floyd that moved up created a smoke screen I believe with catch weights. They were not made like Armstrong who won with heart mind and body beating a bigger man with his own natural weight no catch weights. Ali and Tyson Fury used the same methods except for the costumes but both destroyed egos and Ali is the All time great that won contests of nerves and ego. Everything else is open for dissection. It's all in the head and here is where winning and losing begins or ends. Ali, headache or all time great P4p?