Gennady Golovkin vs. Dominic Wade

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Originally Posted by Swice

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Why don't you get a job as GGG's matchmaker or manager?
After all, you think it's really easy to get these fights for him.
You are absolutely entitled to your opinion regardless of how often you post, so I'll ask YOU who you think GGG should be fighting that he hasn't done?
When you answer that, I'll be able to reply.
Btw , Ward DID fight in 2015, you are right. He was 12lbs heavier than what GGG fights at and his opponent was 16 lb heavier and not in the top 100 LHW's in the World.
And yes, he has fought in 2016 , at 15lbs heavier than what GGG fights at.
So Golovkin should fight Ward should he?

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Either of those positions would be bad for me, as I'm not interested in what's best for GGG from a business stand point, but what is best for me as a fan. I want to see GGG fighting Alvarez, Cotto, or Daniel Jacobs. I'll even take an up and comer like Chris Eubank Jr. I think any of those fighters would have been a better match up than Dominic Wade. I already said that Alvarez wanting to defend the middleweight title at 155 was as good as a duck, and I know Cotto hasn't been wafting about fighting GGG, but he hasn't ruled it out and I remember Roach being up for that fight. I have never heard anything about Jacobs ducking him though or Eubank Jr.


People overuse words like ducking and robbery when it comes to boxing and there is also a lot of hyperbole when it comes to this sport. Have people ducked GGG, yes, I already made mention of that, but has everyone, absolutely not. If you are going to say everyone is ducking him than there should be evidence to back that up. We already know, because of Ward, that that is false. If you want to say every middleweight is ducking him I doubt that as well as I can't recall Jacobs or Eubank Jr. refusing to fight GGG.

Also this is the same guy who called out Floyd Mayweather and said he would crush him and he isn't a middleweight. So isn't hypocritical to then use that same logic to discount Andre Ward? I don't care if he fights Ward or not, all I'm saying, as I have said from the beginning, is he shouldn't be fighting the likes of Dominic Wade because he is better than that and as a fan that isn't a fight that I or I think a lot of others would like to see when there are other more attractive options out there.

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Canelo - I think we all agree that he is blatantly avoiding GGG. Infact he and Cotto fought each other to avoid GGG.
Cotto - what would be the point after Canelo beat him? Cotto always said he wasn't a real MW, and you just have to look at the names banded around as his next possible opponent to see where he's going. Provo & JMM.
Jacobs - GGG was looking for his next opponent while Jacobs was preparing for his World title fight. He hasn't avoided GGG yet, but he hasn't said he would fight him either.
Eubank Jr. - now you're kidding me! 2 years ago while still a novice, Eubank Sr. Was saying "my son would beat Golovkin tomorrow." He would beat GGG tomorrow , but still needed a tune up fight before he challenged Saunders for a British title and lost!
Then he was offered 2 world title shots, a Saunders rematch , and as the mandatory , a shot at Jacobs. He decided to swerve both in order to fight for a British title for 10-15% of the money he would've earned for either of the World title fights. Then , after winning, he's asked about Golovkin and Snr. Said he's NOT ready. It also now appears that he'll probably have a rematch with Saunders , although negotiations have been, as ever with the Eubanks decidedly tricky.
So, as you can see , it's not easy to match GGG , you've tried with 4 names and none of them are likely, so imagine what it's like for his team.we shouldn't be talking about A avoiding B, let's focus on the fact that GGG has always said " put me in with any MW in the World."
As far as Mayweather goes, EVERYBODY tries to fight Mayweather, including Ward and Bernard Hopkins! This is an exception. He would like to fight Mayweather for the obvious riches and because Floyd is out there on his own.
For many of the same reasons I don't like the Ward fight, I don't like this one. They are different sized men, it borders on ridiculous. And let's be fair, GGG didn't exactly go hounding Mayweather and calling him out at every opportunity, he merely answered questions he was asked. There is a difference.

Look, anyone doubting they avoided Ward is blind. That's just obvious.

But there are others saying that GGGs team lies about their offers. BJS said they lied. I can't remember who else. Maybe some proof of offers is called for.

is this on ppv ?

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Originally Posted by Swice

1. Just saying it doesn't make it so. Who has personally come out and said I will not fight GGG? I want to see the offer sheets his team has made to the top 10 contenders along with their rejection rejection letters before I just take the "everybody is ducking him" as gospel.

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That is chronically misleading and frankly a bit of a soft attempt at a straw man argument. Actions speak louder than words Not openly saying anything during Golovkins rise by the pretenders is worse than saying something. Any of these other guys ever call the guy out?? When they were asked and actually gave a repose, it was either I leave that to Al Haymon or a lame attempt at condescension. Shit even Martinez ducked him which I partly understood at the time with Sergio being so close to retirement and having never got the major money fight himself. During this same time Kid Ovaltine would almost wet himself when the Kazaks name was mentioned. He ended up dropping his belt rather then unify because he had “bigger plans” only to fight the guy he dropped the belt for rather then fight who was Andy Lee and he couldn’t make weight. He then got blasted out by Jacobs who also incidentally passed on an opportunity for a unification fight with Golovkin in slippery ways. Cotto wanted nothing to do with him.And btw why should Golovkin be obligated to make these frauds offers? He's the real champ who is about to surpass Hopkins in defenses in half the time. He's the recognized real champion in the real world regardless of the perpetrators of the fraud like the Ring listing first Cotto now Alvarez ahead. That in and of itself speaks volumes concerning mediocrity being the new normal. I'm sure Lee's people were not calling Golovkin and the new trinket champ in Saunders has admitted credit to him that he's not in the same league. The only other trinket holder that had the nut sack to fight this guy was David Lemieux and he did so 4 months after winning the thing.
Now, rumours are starting to circulate that after the Alvarez/Khan fraud, Alvarez will be matched against Lemieux and Quillins name has also popped up. Does anyone actually believe that Alvarez is not ducking Golovkin? The entire division has been ducking the guy for 5 years and he's cleaned it out of all the contenders while waiting for all the fakes to shit or get off the pot.

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Originally Posted by Swice

2. Andre Ward does fight. He fought in 2015 and 2016. Furthermore he has gone on record as saying GGG team turned down a fight with him in 2015.

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Again skewing the facts. Andre Ward won a botched tournament more than 5 years ago and he ran out of opponents or big fights at 168. So instead of moving up to fight the likes of Kovalev or Stevenson at the time which was 2011 he starched out Chad Dawson who was 175 for close to a decade and then started his self imposed, delusional work to rule antics coming up with ridiculous suits against Goossen who got him everything. Yet after winning the tourney he said he's most likely going to 175. Shortly after that Stevenson and Kovalev arrived and he went on strike. While on strike and playing the victim card he started calling out Golovkin. Why would he start calling out Golovkin? Is it because Golovkin made a comment which was silly that he'd go from 154 to 175? Can you blame the guy for saying that after being ducked and ignored since he won the title? He most likely would have added a Siberian tiger to the list. Why was Ward claiming he'd go to 160 to fight Floyd? If Golovkin was American would this debate even be happening?


Reality does not make distinctions for individual perception. The facts speak for themselves. We'd be photographs on cement if not for gravity and the same applies here. It makes little difference to the truth on how many times its misrepresented.

I haven't really followed GGG since he ducked out of a fight with Ward to fight that other fella

^^^ this is a joke by the way, I was just repeating something someone else said on this thread that I found funny

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Originally Posted by erics44

I haven't really followed GGG since he ducked out of a fight with Ward to fight that other fella

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Ok, let's get this clear when we talk about avoiding/ducking fighters.
1. there were never any official discussions.
2. When Ward said this, he hadn't fought for 3 years. would he have needed a tune up before GGG? Bearing in mind that his 1st fight ended up being Paul Smith , Ward weighed 172Lb , Smith 176Lb, I think he would've wanted a tune up prior to GGG.
3. if Ward has this tune up, is GGG just expected to wait for him? bear in mind GGG fights 3 to 4 times a year.
4. GGG's handlers allegedly wanted a "split down the middle " catchweight of 164Lb. Ward didn't want to know about that . (nothing wrong in that btw, I'm not a fan of CW's and this fight was never realistic imo.)
5. GGG fights at 160Lb , Ward used to fight at 168Lb and that's where he wanted the fight. The only problem is that Ward hasn't fought at 168Lb for 3 years. Ward now fights at 175Lb.
the fact is that nobody ducked anyone here, it was never a realistic fight for many reasons , they are very different sizes and one fights regularly while the other doesn't , so timings would never be right. Plus of course the Money/ A side/B side bollocks.

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

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Originally Posted by erics44

I haven't really followed GGG since he ducked out of a fight with Ward to fight that other fella

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Ok, let's get this clear when we talk about avoiding/ducking fighters.
1. there were never any official discussions.
2. When Ward said this, he hadn't fought for 3 years. would he have needed a tune up before GGG? Bearing in mind that his 1st fight ended up being Paul Smith , Ward weighed 172Lb , Smith 176Lb, I think he would've wanted a tune up prior to GGG.
3. if Ward has this tune up, is GGG just expected to wait for him? bear in mind GGG fights 3 to 4 times a year.
4. GGG's handlers allegedly wanted a "split down the middle " catchweight of 164Lb. Ward didn't want to know about that . (nothing wrong in that btw, I'm not a fan of CW's and this fight was never realistic imo.)
5. GGG fights at 160Lb , Ward used to fight at 168Lb and that's where he wanted the fight. The only problem is that Ward hasn't fought at 168Lb for 3 years. Ward now fights at 175Lb.
the fact is that nobody ducked anyone here, it was never a realistic fight for many reasons , they are very different sizes and one fights regularly while the other doesn't , so timings would never be right. Plus of course the Money/ A side/B side bollocks.

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that was a joke by the way

I was just repeating something someone else said I found funny

got me ya fucker! ;D;D;D

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

got me ya fucker! ;D;D;D

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Eric has a weird sense of humour.

Right, now I've backed GGG up regularly.
Now , to prove that I'm consistent and unbiased, I'm gonna rip into him a little bit.
http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-...ematch--103645

Shut your fucking mouth about fighting Floyd and concentrate on your own legacy. It's one thing answering a question, but to talk about KO'ing him and all that bollocks , just fucking get on with your own career.
There, I said it!

Everything triple G says is true. The Floyd v Manny fight was boring, no one is interested in a rematch and he would wipe out Floyd with ease.

Why call out a retired fighter 2 weights below you?
That's as bad as Ward calling him out.

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Why call out a retired fighter 2 weights below you?
That's as bad as Ward calling him out.

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Floyd is not retired, only you believe that.
Floyd wants to win a title at middleweight.
Floyd wants 50th fight to beat Rocky's record.

GGG is making sure Floyd does not fight Canelo claiming to be the middleweight champ.

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Why call out a retired fighter 2 weights below you?
That's as bad as Ward calling him out.

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That’s what Hagler did to Leonard. Leonard had him on the line before he retired. The Kazak knows full well that his chances of getting Floyd at this moment in time are slim to none and slim has left the building. If Floyd were to come back sooner rather than later it would be for the fake title against the winner of Khan/Alvarez. That’s the money fight as insane as it is and there’s no reason for him to be concerned with legacy at this point when he was not concerned throughout his career. For Floyd to fight Golovkin now, the Kazak would have had to have deteriorated at the same pace Hagler did.

Let's be honest, why does Floyd sell? Because 50% , maybe more of the people that tune in want to see him lose.
Manny - been there, done that, it won't sell like before because people have seen the outcome.
Canelo - ditto. Even the "he's more mature, no CW , he's better now, etc.etc. won't sell it."
GGG - enough people (not me btw) think he could beat Floyd at a 154lb CW. It's intriguing and we don't know the answer.
The Only problem is that Floyd ain't buying it. He's already said so, and to be honest, who can blame him . It would be yet another Circus act.

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Let's be honest, why does Floyd sell? Because 50% , maybe more of the people that tune in want to see him lose.
Manny - been there, done that, it won't sell like before because people have seen the outcome.
Canelo - ditto. Even the "he's more mature, no CW , he's better now, etc.etc. won't sell it."
GGG - enough people (not me btw) think he could beat Floyd at a 154lb CW. It's intriguing and we don't know the answer.
The Only problem is that Floyd ain't buying it. He's already said so, and to be honest, who can blame him . It would be yet another Circus act.

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The ego to win 50th fight is the reason. He would fight one of his ex-girlfriends just so he can do it. The money is irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Let's be honest, why does Floyd sell? Because 50% , maybe more of the people that tune in want to see him lose.
Manny - been there, done that, it won't sell like before because people have seen the outcome.
Canelo - ditto. Even the "he's more mature, no CW , he's better now, etc.etc. won't sell it."
GGG - enough people (not me btw) think he could beat Floyd at a 154lb CW. It's intriguing and we don't know the answer.
The Only problem is that Floyd ain't buying it. He's already said so, and to be honest, who can blame him . It would be yet another Circus act.

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The ego to win 50th fight is the reason. He would fight one of his ex-girlfriends just so he can do it. The money is irrelevant.

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if ex girlfriends count on the record he has already passed 50

I think 50 fights means more to everyone else than it does Floyd.
If it meant anything to him, he wouldn't have retired in the first place.
He's loving life at the moment. Everybody talking about him and he won't discourage that.
If he comes back , there has to be a public demand, after all it's a business and it's all about supply and demand.
If the people demand it , then they/we are far more stupid than I ever believed.
So tell me, are you stupid ?

Frankly, I couldn't give two hoots about this fight. Golovkin has become boring with all these decent record, but unknown fighters. He is getting old already and I don't buy that nobody will fight him. Until Golovkin fights James Toney I just don't want to know.

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Look, anyone doubting they avoided Ward is blind. That's just obvious.

But there are others saying that GGGs team lies about their offers. BJS said they lied. I can't remember who else. Maybe some proof of offers is called for.

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You can't avoid a fighter a weight class above you, unless the fighter offered to fight you at your weight class. For example, Floyd Mayweather didn't avoid Sergio Martinez.

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

I think 50 fights means more to everyone else than it does Floyd.
If it meant anything to him, he wouldn't have retired in the first place.
He's loving life at the moment. Everybody talking about him and he won't discourage that.
If he comes back , there has to be a public demand, after all it's a business and it's all about supply and demand.
If the people demand it , then they/we are far more stupid than I ever believed.
So tell me, are you stupid ?

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Floyd deliberately retired at 49 thinking they would pay for his 50th. No one wants to see the gimp. It is funny how hard he is trying to manufacture a fight with Broner (Floyd is in on it).

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

I think 50 fights means more to everyone else than it does Floyd.
If it meant anything to him, he wouldn't have retired in the first place.
He's loving life at the moment. Everybody talking about him and he won't discourage that.
If he comes back , there has to be a public demand, after all it's a business and it's all about supply and demand.
If the people demand it , then they/we are far more stupid than I ever believed.
So tell me, are you stupid ?

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Floyd deliberately retired at 49 thinking they would pay for his 50th. No one wants to see the gimp. It is funny how hard he is trying to manufacture a fight with Broner (Floyd is in on it).

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Think about what you just wrote. On one hand, Floyd retired in order to make more interest in his comeback.
On the other hand , nobody wants to see him or his comeback.
Well if that's the case , why would the money men pay him millions and millions for something that won't sell?
I'm curious, are you in Business, because I'm not sure you understand how it works? 😉😃

It is not diificult to work out.

Floyd mis-calculated, he thought they would offer him an open cheque.

But he does want 50th win so will do it with his tail between his legs.

I don't believe all those rumours that Marvin Hagler was an avoided fighter. I don't believe other fighters were ducking him at all. I want to see the the offer sheets his team has made to the top 10 contenders along with their rejection rejection letters before I just take the "everybody ducked him" as gospel.

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Originally Posted by Master

It is not diificult to work out.

Floyd mis-calculated, he thought they would offer him an open cheque.

But he does want 50th win so will do it with his tail between his legs.

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Miscalculated? Really? Nah, he knew exactly how the Pac fight would go, and he knew that after he schooled Pac, there wouldn't be a realistic challenger to him and he'd reached the top of the earning mountain.
The Berto fight was just a fight to finish off his contract.
As for really wanting the 50th win, who says so? You? The press? The public?
Floyd has never said he wants it, but he has said he couldn't give a flying fuck about it.
I'll tell what Floyd does like. He likes his unbeaten record and he likes calling himself TBE.
Why is he going to risk losing that? Oh yeah, to beat Marciano's record. But does anybody put Marciano above him? (Apart from Brock) so what will he gain?
Come on, let's think a bit clearly here.

You are forgetting Floyd's vanity. Mark my words the cunt will be back for 50th. Just watch.

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Originally Posted by Master

You are forgetting Floyd's vanity. Mark my words the cunt will be back for 50th. Just watch.

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nah mate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=Wqxc0MYC7Sw

Might as well be fighting Dwayne Wade. Guys wasted his career fighting b and c level fighters. He needs a big fight before people get fed up with the one sided beat beatdowns of mediocrity.

This divsion is strait shit there is no one besides GGG in it by far the weakest mw division ever worse then even Monzon or Hopkins reign. Hagler is close but it was a tad better with Hearns, Duran and Ray having big wins at the weight and up but still not very strong.

Pedro vs Pedro. Lopez almost got squashed out of the gate

Chocolatito is going to eat McDonalds in five or six rounds.

Well no blow out! but I hear the theme from jaws.

Fuck he's great to watch.

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Originally Posted by IamInuit

Pedro vs Pedro. Lopez almost got squashed out of the gate

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where did you watch that ?

Arroyo holding his own. For now

Mac has been impressively busy, but most of those shots have been blocked.

Gonzalez is gonna bring the onslaught in the next few rounds and chop him down.

Gonzalez has took over the fight. Arroyo favoring his side

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Fuck he's great to watch.

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Love the way he ropes his punches together, fluid as hell.

someone give that man a shoe !