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10-14-2016, 01:48 AM
erics44

Re: Where is David Haye?

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Originally Posted by Master

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Prefers the publicity and celebrity status than actually fighting.

Poor recent opponents.

Criticising others who are far better than him.

not really facts

poor recent opponents yes, but isn't any boxer allowed a couple of tune ups after 2+ years out?

and doesn't every boxer criticise others, and only one (two if you want to add an early loss) boxers have proved they are better

Well Haye has spent more time on TV doing non-related boxing shows than minutes in the boxing ring since his comeback. Fact.

does that make him a cunt?

and can the two things even be compared
10-14-2016, 01:52 AM
Master

Re: Where is David Haye?

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Originally Posted by erics44

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Prefers the publicity and celebrity status than actually fighting.

Poor recent opponents.

Criticising others who are far better than him.

not really facts

poor recent opponents yes, but isn't any boxer allowed a couple of tune ups after 2+ years out?

and doesn't every boxer criticise others, and only one (two if you want to add an early loss) boxers have proved they are better

Well Haye has spent more time on TV doing non-related boxing shows than minutes in the boxing ring since his comeback. Fact.

does that make him a cunt?

and can the two things even be compared

I am not saying he is but his statement that AJ v Wlad is like Ali v Berbick does.
10-14-2016, 02:44 AM
El Kabong

Re: Where is David Haye?

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why is david haye a cunt?

and i don't want a 300 word essay ill never read

lets have single short sentence facts

He's a heavyweight version (in shape heavyweight version of) of Naseem Hamed....gets beat after talking shit nonstop for 4 years doesn't do diddley-poo in the fight vs Wlad, shows off a hurt little toe and goes on the talk show circuit. Makes a comeback (needs money and misses the celebrity of boxing) fights absolute nobodies and apparently has no interest in winning a title again...else he'd fight someone good and there are plenty of available dance partners if you will.

I counted, that's less than 300 words.
10-14-2016, 06:09 AM
nuggetdotcom

Re: Where is David Haye?

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David Haye's record at Cruiserweight was excellent, he beat Mormec in his own back yard to become undisputed champion, meeting plenty of punchers on the way and taking shots. He then moved on to the opportunity in the Heavyweights because the division is PISS POOR, for you to even mention Chisora as a worthwhile opponent shows your ignorance of European boxers quality. I repeat, the heavyweight division is full of shit and he is trying to take opportunities. Unlike you I do not pour scorn on a non-Brit like Deontay, although all the quality of his opponents is laughable. I'm not concerned about the size of his ego, why should you be FFS? He has got a son named Cassius! I wouldn't be interested in a boxer that DIDNT have an ego. If he does get knocked out, that's boxing. But phrases like terrified little pussy belong in lads mag rants.

David Haye was a good cruiserweight....maybe that's great for England but in boxing it's just kind of "Well that's nice, when are you going to do something worthwhile?" and that's not because he's British, absolutely none of this is because he's British. Now truth be told I hate Steve Bunce because he is up the ass of whatever British boxer is the flavor of the month and it's JUST British boxers and it was especially David Haye who was his favorite.

If the heavyweights are "PISS POOR" what the fuck were the cruiserweights? It's guys too big for 175 and not talented enough for heavyweight it has ALWAYS been that way, ALWAYS. And it ALWAYS will be that way, it was that way when Qawi and Holyfield were there!

Dereck Chisora isn't worthwhile now but in 2012 after a UD loss to Vitali he was more worthwhile than most. More so than Marc de Mori. Hell if David Haye fought the 85 year old Shannon Briggs right now it would be better than Marc de Mori! In fact, people wouldn't actually mind if he DID fight Briggs because at least Briggs used to be a somebody! Fuck I'd be ELATED if David Haye decided to avenge his Olympic defeat to Odlanier Solis and he's fat and worthless as a professional boxer!

Pour as much scorn as you like on Deontay Wilder, I really don't care and ABSOLUTELY yes he's been in with some terrible fighters.....buuuuut he didn't talk shit for 4 years and pull out of fights with the fighter he talked shit about.

"But phrases like terrified little pussy belong in lads mag rants".....quote it correctly if you're going to complain about it. The caveat should be included not compared to me as I'm not a fighter but as compared to other fighters .

So who is Haye fighting hmm? What GIGANTIC boxing name is stepping in the ring with Haye this time??? Will it be somebody we've heard about? I'm going to guess it'll be Tony Bellew....AFTER Haye fights another nobody. Don't complain to me complain to Haye, he's the one not taking his profession seriously.

Just dwell on your last paragraph, if Haye can draw 10,000 tickets from fans, and Bellend does also, and Hearn or whoever puts it on at Goodison Park is there anything actually wrong with that? According to you the cruiserweight division is even more shit than the HW, but if people want to pay........ Would YOU take the money for an easy nights work with a week or so of talking bollocks on the telly before? At least its still boxing, not bloody UFC!
10-14-2016, 06:13 AM
Batman

Re: Where is David Haye?

yeah but what happened to ambition? what happened to wanting to prove that you are the best out there? why settle for an easy pay day when you fully believe in yourself and want to create a legacy?
10-14-2016, 06:17 AM
El Kabong

Re: Where is David Haye?

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Just dwell on your last paragraph, if Haye can draw 10,000 tickets from fans, and Bellend does also, and Hearn or whoever puts it on at Goodison Park is there anything actually wrong with that? According to you the cruiserweight division is even more shit than the HW, but if people want to pay........ Would YOU take the money for an easy nights work with a week or so of talking bollocks on the telly before? At least its still boxing, not bloody UFC!

No, there's no problem with it. I mean if David Haye JUST wants to make money that's fine...I was under the assumption that he actually wanted to achieve something in professional boxing, but apparently not and if you're ok with that then fine.

But I, as a boxing fan see that kind of fight as a waste of time.

The cruiserweight division is a NOTHING division....who are the 10 greatest cruiserweights of all-time???? Can you name 5 of them? I mean fucking hell it's no different than any division lower than anything under flyweight. The division itself has little to no history at all, it's been around since what 1980 or so? Maybe YOU admire the cruiserweight division, but most people look at 175 and heavyweight as exciting divisions that actually mean something to the sport.

Show of hands, who is a fan of the cruiserweight division? Anyone??? I'm not saying there can't be great fights which happen there, I'm just saying nobody follows the division and the division doesn't mean anything....unless you're David Haye or one of his fans.
10-14-2016, 10:20 AM
nuggetdotcom

Re: Where is David Haye?

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yeah but what happened to ambition? what happened to wanting to prove that you are the best out there? why settle for an easy pay day when you fully believe in yourself and want to create a legacy?

Its called professional boxing, for years we have not seen the best fight the best, indeed promoters discourage their slaves from taking competitive fights. It always has been, and always will be, about ticket sales (or nowadays PPV numbers). The only thing the promoters and alphabet committee men are interested in is numbers. Haye will exploit this because he is half sensible. Hamed is nowhere near half sensible and his family are seriously letting him down, and in his division he is nothing like as competitive as Haye. You can also see the bad management from family in the Fury camp, shame.

Haye will pick his fights, pick his money, be beholden to no promoter, and may even win a title again, good luck to him.
10-14-2016, 11:17 AM
El Kabong

Well if he's happy with that and his fans are happy with that then God bless them.

I think he could have been and done so much more....he'd never be THE guy with Wladimir in the division but he could have easily been #2 and made a fucking killing. Haye vs Solis in an Olympic rematch at Stamford Bridge before Vitali got to Solis, would have been HUGE. Haye vs any of the smaller heavyweights I think he'd win (sans break of course).

I've always been a "Haye-ter" proud of it as well. But I never doubted his talent only his dedication. Can't have his attitude and pair it with that lack of dedication...just my take.
10-14-2016, 06:20 PM
Batman

Re: Where is David Haye?

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Originally Posted by nuggetdotcom

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yeah but what happened to ambition? what happened to wanting to prove that you are the best out there? why settle for an easy pay day when you fully believe in yourself and want to create a legacy?

Its called professional boxing, for years we have not seen the best fight the best, indeed promoters discourage their slaves from taking competitive fights. It always has been, and always will be, about ticket sales (or nowadays PPV numbers). The only thing the promoters and alphabet committee men are interested in is numbers. Haye will exploit this because he is half sensible. Hamed is nowhere near half sensible and his family are seriously letting him down, and in his division he is nothing like as competitive as Haye. You can also see the bad management from family in the Fury camp, shame.

Haye will pick his fights, pick his money, be beholden to no promoter, and may even win a title again, good luck to him.

Yeah but at least the majority of fighters at least try to pick someone on on the very edge of being a semi decent fight, even if you know that the fight will be absolutely shite most of the time you will have at least heard of the person they are fighting, Haye is literally walking into a pub and picking random blokes to fight at the expense of the fans.

I'm not going to get into a debate because unfortunately I think that Haye is a cunt and I don't think you will be able to change my mind on that.
10-15-2016, 01:55 AM
nuggetdotcom

Re: Where is David Haye?

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Originally Posted by Batman

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Originally Posted by nuggetdotcom

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Originally Posted by Batman

yeah but what happened to ambition? what happened to wanting to prove that you are the best out there? why settle for an easy pay day when you fully believe in yourself and want to create a legacy?

Its called professional boxing, for years we have not seen the best fight the best, indeed promoters discourage their slaves from taking competitive fights. It always has been, and always will be, about ticket sales (or nowadays PPV numbers). The only thing the promoters and alphabet committee men are interested in is numbers. Haye will exploit this because he is half sensible. Hamed is nowhere near half sensible and his family are seriously letting him down, and in his division he is nothing like as competitive as Haye. You can also see the bad management from family in the Fury camp, shame.

Haye will pick his fights, pick his money, be beholden to no promoter, and may even win a title again, good luck to him.

Yeah but at least the majority of fighters at least try to pick someone on on the very edge of being a semi decent fight, even if you know that the fight will be absolutely shite most of the time you will have at least heard of the person they are fighting, Haye is literally walking into a pub and picking random blokes to fight at the expense of the fans.

I'm not going to get into a debate because unfortunately I think that Haye is a cunt and I don't think you will be able to change my mind on that.

Ha ha, Well put
10-15-2016, 05:05 AM
Master

Re: Where is David Haye?

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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David Haye's record at Cruiserweight was excellent, he beat Mormec in his own back yard to become undisputed champion, meeting plenty of punchers on the way and taking shots. He then moved on to the opportunity in the Heavyweights because the division is PISS POOR, for you to even mention Chisora as a worthwhile opponent shows your ignorance of European boxers quality. I repeat, the heavyweight division is full of shit and he is trying to take opportunities. Unlike you I do not pour scorn on a non-Brit like Deontay, although all the quality of his opponents is laughable. I'm not concerned about the size of his ego, why should you be FFS? He has got a son named Cassius! I wouldn't be interested in a boxer that DIDNT have an ego. If he does get knocked out, that's boxing. But phrases like terrified little pussy belong in lads mag rants.

David Haye was a good cruiserweight....maybe that's great for England but in boxing it's just kind of "Well that's nice, when are you going to do something worthwhile?" and that's not because he's British, absolutely none of this is because he's British. Now truth be told I hate Steve Bunce because he is up the ass of whatever British boxer is the flavor of the month and it's JUST British boxers and it was especially David Haye who was his favorite.

If the heavyweights are "PISS POOR" what the fuck were the cruiserweights? It's guys too big for 175 and not talented enough for heavyweight it has ALWAYS been that way, ALWAYS. And it ALWAYS will be that way, it was that way when Qawi and Holyfield were there!

Dereck Chisora isn't worthwhile now but in 2012 after a UD loss to Vitali he was more worthwhile than most. More so than Marc de Mori. Hell if David Haye fought the 85 year old Shannon Briggs right now it would be better than Marc de Mori! In fact, people wouldn't actually mind if he DID fight Briggs because at least Briggs used to be a somebody! Fuck I'd be ELATED if David Haye decided to avenge his Olympic defeat to Odlanier Solis and he's fat and worthless as a professional boxer!

Pour as much scorn as you like on Deontay Wilder, I really don't care and ABSOLUTELY yes he's been in with some terrible fighters.....buuuuut he didn't talk shit for 4 years and pull out of fights with the fighter he talked shit about.

"But phrases like terrified little pussy belong in lads mag rants".....quote it correctly if you're going to complain about it. The caveat should be included not compared to me as I'm not a fighter but as compared to other fighters .

So who is Haye fighting hmm? What GIGANTIC boxing name is stepping in the ring with Haye this time??? Will it be somebody we've heard about? I'm going to guess it'll be Tony Bellew....AFTER Haye fights another nobody. Don't complain to me complain to Haye, he's the one not taking his profession seriously.

Just dwell on your last paragraph, if Haye can draw 10,000 tickets from fans, and Bellend does also, and Hearn or whoever puts it on at Goodison Park is there anything actually wrong with that? According to you the cruiserweight division is even more shit than the HW, but if people want to pay........ Would YOU take the money for an easy nights work with a week or so of talking bollocks on the telly before? At least its still boxing, not bloody UFC!

Are you actually arguing to see Haye v Bellew? That would be a huge mismatch but Eddie likes those.
10-15-2016, 09:52 AM
nuggetdotcom

Re: Where is David Haye?

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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David Haye's record at Cruiserweight was excellent, he beat Mormec in his own back yard to become undisputed champion, meeting plenty of punchers on the way and taking shots. He then moved on to the opportunity in the Heavyweights because the division is PISS POOR, for you to even mention Chisora as a worthwhile opponent shows your ignorance of European boxers quality. I repeat, the heavyweight division is full of shit and he is trying to take opportunities. Unlike you I do not pour scorn on a non-Brit like Deontay, although all the quality of his opponents is laughable. I'm not concerned about the size of his ego, why should you be FFS? He has got a son named Cassius! I wouldn't be interested in a boxer that DIDNT have an ego. If he does get knocked out, that's boxing. But phrases like terrified little pussy belong in lads mag rants.

David Haye was a good cruiserweight....maybe that's great for England but in boxing it's just kind of "Well that's nice, when are you going to do something worthwhile?" and that's not because he's British, absolutely none of this is because he's British. Now truth be told I hate Steve Bunce because he is up the ass of whatever British boxer is the flavor of the month and it's JUST British boxers and it was especially David Haye who was his favorite.

If the heavyweights are "PISS POOR" what the fuck were the cruiserweights? It's guys too big for 175 and not talented enough for heavyweight it has ALWAYS been that way, ALWAYS. And it ALWAYS will be that way, it was that way when Qawi and Holyfield were there!

Dereck Chisora isn't worthwhile now but in 2012 after a UD loss to Vitali he was more worthwhile than most. More so than Marc de Mori. Hell if David Haye fought the 85 year old Shannon Briggs right now it would be better than Marc de Mori! In fact, people wouldn't actually mind if he DID fight Briggs because at least Briggs used to be a somebody! Fuck I'd be ELATED if David Haye decided to avenge his Olympic defeat to Odlanier Solis and he's fat and worthless as a professional boxer!

Pour as much scorn as you like on Deontay Wilder, I really don't care and ABSOLUTELY yes he's been in with some terrible fighters.....buuuuut he didn't talk shit for 4 years and pull out of fights with the fighter he talked shit about.

"But phrases like terrified little pussy belong in lads mag rants".....quote it correctly if you're going to complain about it. The caveat should be included not compared to me as I'm not a fighter but as compared to other fighters .

So who is Haye fighting hmm? What GIGANTIC boxing name is stepping in the ring with Haye this time??? Will it be somebody we've heard about? I'm going to guess it'll be Tony Bellew....AFTER Haye fights another nobody. Don't complain to me complain to Haye, he's the one not taking his profession seriously.

Just dwell on your last paragraph, if Haye can draw 10,000 tickets from fans, and Bellend does also, and Hearn or whoever puts it on at Goodison Park is there anything actually wrong with that? According to you the cruiserweight division is even more shit than the HW, but if people want to pay........ Would YOU take the money for an easy nights work with a week or so of talking bollocks on the telly before? At least its still boxing, not bloody UFC!

Are you actually arguing to see Haye v Bellew? That would be a huge mismatch but Eddie likes those.

To be honest Master, although I've attended most of Haye's fights, including the two most important German ones, I would not pay to attend a Bellend fight. But who are we to argue? If it makes money and customers are happy then let them get on with it, its not my thing but at least its better than UFC. The Bellend thing, after his comments having last won, seems to be whipping up tribalism and hooly followers, don't really like that in boxing.
10-16-2016, 09:46 AM
nuggetdotcom

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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David Haye's record at Cruiserweight was excellent, he beat Mormec in his own back yard to become undisputed champion, meeting plenty of punchers on the way and taking shots. He then moved on to the opportunity in the Heavyweights because the division is PISS POOR, for you to even mention Chisora as a worthwhile opponent shows your ignorance of European boxers quality. I repeat, the heavyweight division is full of shit and he is trying to take opportunities. Unlike you I do not pour scorn on a non-Brit like Deontay, although all the quality of his opponents is laughable. I'm not concerned about the size of his ego, why should you be FFS? He has got a son named Cassius! I wouldn't be interested in a boxer that DIDNT have an ego. If he does get knocked out, that's boxing. But phrases like terrified little pussy belong in lads mag rants.

David Haye was a good cruiserweight....maybe that's great for England but in boxing it's just kind of "Well that's nice, when are you going to do something worthwhile?" and that's not because he's British, absolutely none of this is because he's British. Now truth be told I hate Steve Bunce because he is up the ass of whatever British boxer is the flavor of the month and it's JUST British boxers and it was especially David Haye who was his favorite.

If the heavyweights are "PISS POOR" what the fuck were the cruiserweights? It's guys too big for 175 and not talented enough for heavyweight it has ALWAYS been that way, ALWAYS. And it ALWAYS will be that way, it was that way when Qawi and Holyfield were there!

Dereck Chisora isn't worthwhile now but in 2012 after a UD loss to Vitali he was more worthwhile than most. More so than Marc de Mori. Hell if David Haye fought the 85 year old Shannon Briggs right now it would be better than Marc de Mori! In fact, people wouldn't actually mind if he DID fight Briggs because at least Briggs used to be a somebody! Fuck I'd be ELATED if David Haye decided to avenge his Olympic defeat to Odlanier Solis and he's fat and worthless as a professional boxer!

Pour as much scorn as you like on Deontay Wilder, I really don't care and ABSOLUTELY yes he's been in with some terrible fighters.....buuuuut he didn't talk shit for 4 years and pull out of fights with the fighter he talked shit about.

"But phrases like terrified little pussy belong in lads mag rants".....quote it correctly if you're going to complain about it. The caveat should be included not compared to me as I'm not a fighter but as compared to other fighters .

So who is Haye fighting hmm? What GIGANTIC boxing name is stepping in the ring with Haye this time??? Will it be somebody we've heard about? I'm going to guess it'll be Tony Bellew....AFTER Haye fights another nobody. Don't complain to me complain to Haye, he's the one not taking his profession seriously.

Just dwell on your last paragraph, if Haye can draw 10,000 tickets from fans, and Bellend does also, and Hearn or whoever puts it on at Goodison Park is there anything actually wrong with that? According to you the cruiserweight division is even more shit than the HW, but if people want to pay........ Would YOU take the money for an easy nights work with a week or so of talking bollocks on the telly before? At least its still boxing, not bloody UFC!

Are you actually arguing to see Haye v Bellew? That would be a huge mismatch but Eddie likes those.

To be honest Master, although I've attended most of Haye's fights, including the two most important German ones, I would not pay to attend a Bellend fight. But who are we to argue? If it makes money and customers are happy then let them get on with it, its not my thing but at least its better than UFC. The Bellend thing, after his comments having last won, seems to be whipping up tribalism and hooly followers, don't really like that in boxing.

That's it then, Mr, Hearn has spoken and Bellend and Haye have done the warm up act. I will not attend. I will PPV and relax with a few drinks and have a bet. Not like the old days when we all sat together and nobody knew who was supporting who, we just went to see a good and fair contest.
10-16-2016, 09:44 PM
Master

Re: Where is David Haye?

This will be a gross mismatch just like GGG v Brook. Stupidity of the fight game just gets worse and worse.

This is just as bad as Bellew v Cleverely 2 PPV and Haye v Audley PPV.

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