Did Haye win any fans tonight?

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Talk about history being rewritten.

Since when was Haye some big quitting bottle job? He was throwing punches when the towel was thrown in against Thompson and his only mistake against Wlad was blaming his toe after being outclassed by the much bigger, stronger better fighter. He got off the floor to beat Mormeck and came back against Fragomeni with half his face hanging off.

What he did last night for five rounds was ridiculous. He would have had more chance of winning if one of his arms were disabled instead of his footing.

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If you mean me mate then I should clarify that I don't think Haye was ever a quitter, but I still didn't expect him to show that kind of heart last night.
I tend to be ambivalent towards Haye, not in either 'camp' but have a lot more respect now than before.
That injury was an instant fight stopper in my opinion.

Speaking generally I don't really understand people that don't give credit where it due - regardless of their opinion on a person.

Speaking to a couple of friends today and the general response is 'yeah well Haye's a cunt'.
And I'm saying well your entitled to your opinion but I'm not discussing his position on the cunt-scale. I'm trying to discuss the fact that fighting for 5 rounds on one leg is fucking brave. The two shouldn't really influence each other.

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Originally Posted by ryanman

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Talk about history being rewritten.

Since when was Haye some big quitting bottle job? He was throwing punches when the towel was thrown in against Thompson and his only mistake against Wlad was blaming his toe after being outclassed by the much bigger, stronger better fighter. He got off the floor to beat Mormeck and came back against Fragomeni with half his face hanging off.

What he did last night for five rounds was ridiculous. He would have had more chance of winning if one of his arms were disabled instead of his footing.

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If you mean me mate then I should clarify that I don't think Haye was ever a quitter, but I still didn't expect him to show that kind of heart last night.
I tend to be ambivalent towards Haye, not in either 'camp' but have a lot more respect now than before.
That injury was an instant fight stopper in my opinion.

Speaking generally I don't really understand people that don't give credit where it due - regardless of their opinion on a person.

Speaking to a couple of friends today and the general response is 'yeah well Haye's a cunt'.
And I'm saying well your entitled to your opinion but I'm not discussing his position on the cunt-scale. I'm trying to discuss the fact that fighting for 5 rounds on one leg is fucking brave. The two shouldn't really influence each other.

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You get some fighters who would fight with their eye hanging out of its socket and a broken arm and they would still go mad at the corner for throwing in the towel, they want to go out on their sword they are fighters, they don't quit

Then you get someone who would jump out of the ring and run to Saturday Kitchen at the first opportunity if circumstances would have allowed it, as it happened Haye knows what the public opinion is and he knows that pulling out because of an (albeit genuine) injury would have damaged infinitely and by him hanging in means he gets to make the £££'s required through a rematch then that is what he is going to do.

He was banking on AJ after this fight and make no mistake about it he realized pretty sharpish that a rematch was the very best he could hope for and an injury wouldn't have warranted it, thats why he hung in as long as possible and said the better man won

It all depends on how long it will take Haye to recover. Bellew will want to remain active and Wilder would make perfect sense not.

I would like to withdraw all of my previous thoughts and opinions, I wanna hear what PK has to say about the fight

I reserve judgement until then

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Originally Posted by Batman

I would like to withdraw all of my previous thoughts and opinions, I wanna hear what PK has to say about the fight

I reserve judgement until then

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Now I know you have gone mad through sleep deprivation

Not aimed at you @ryanman mate... like you I don't get people that can't give credit where it's due.

It goes from the ridiculous (it was a fix to make the rematch) to the pathetic (the injury was fake). I noticed several posts across different threads where it was casually written as a truth that Haye is a well known constant bottler. Geezer has never quit in any fight.

It was surprising he showed so much heart, the reason is the vast majority of fighters sensibly/rightly quit when sustaining an injury that renders them incompetent.

It's what makes legendary heroics like Danny Williams ironing out Mark Potter so remarkable, except Haye didn't get the fairy tale ending.

The celebrity fake boxer that only does it for the money (as though that's not the norm for every fighter), far from swallowing risked being humiliatingly knocked unconscious. Pride. Balls. Heart. Went out like a true warrior. Respect.

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Originally Posted by Batman

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Talk about history being rewritten.

Since when was Haye some big quitting bottle job? He was throwing punches when the towel was thrown in against Thompson and his only mistake against Wlad was blaming his toe after being outclassed by the much bigger, stronger better fighter. He got off the floor to beat Mormeck and came back against Fragomeni with half his face hanging off.

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I don't think Haye has ever been a big quitting bottle job, the examples you gave were all before the Klit fight.

The questions about his desire have all came up immediately after the Klit fight.

There is no question of his commitment when he is actually in the ring, it is just getting him in there for the important fights that has been the problem.

Now I'm not going to say that his reasons for pulling out of the Fury fights were not legitimate but a loss against Fury would have been damaging to his media persona had he of fought and got beat.

The problem with Haye is that he appears to crave for celebrity attention outside of the rind but isn't prepared to take the risks required inside the ring.

I still believe that the only reason that he fought on as long as he did was because he had already exhausted all excuses previously (and I think if he was able to then he would have pulled out before the fight)

I'm going to forget about the injury from now and I'm going to say that based on the 5 rounds that he was fighting uninjured he looked like someone who used to be a good fighter buy will never ever be able to mix it with the big boys now.

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He isn't prepared to take the risks required inside the ring? Err.. what? He did a real life impression of the Black Knight from Monty Python and The Holy Grail.

If anything the injury justified his decision to pull out of previous scheduled fights before getting in the ring.

Yes getting accused of bottling it probably did play a part in his mental heroics. Hence he refused to mention the injury in the post fight interview even though it was the most remarkable thing about the fight.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

Am alone in thinking Bellew isn't the future of the HW division ?

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With his accent he could star in the Benidorm sitcom.

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Originally Posted by Batman

I would like to withdraw all of my previous thoughts and opinions, I wanna hear what PK has to say about the fight

I reserve judgement until then

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Personally I think you can poke all your previous, and I wont read all your future.