It is not popular because of ppv. I never said greedy fighters have ruined the sport TV companies and promoters have. Even 1 subscription to ppv is a success to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
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It is not popular because of ppv. I never said greedy fighters have ruined the sport TV companies and promoters have. Even 1 subscription to ppv is a success to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Stop talking rubbish mate. so 1 person subscribes , they make a LOSS! let's be sensible bud. Nobody has "ruined" the sport, it is in rude health.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIt is not popular because of ppv. I never said greedy fighters have ruined the sport TV companies and promoters have. Even 1 subscription to ppv is a success to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
but don't be one of these guys that wants to have a pop at the bigwigs just because it feels macho and right to do so, yet still want to be pally pally and refuse to offer even a tiny critique to the people who are taking the majority of the money and taking it out of the sport. Just because you want to feel like the fighters are straight up working guys like you , and "one of our own."
do you expect the promoters and TV to carry on paying these Boxers the same money , yet not charge PPV? therefore losing money?
mate , I have no clue of what you do in the real World , but seem typical of the type of person who:
a. has never run a business in your life - nothing wrong with that , but don't criticize things you have no clue about. and
b. probably when talking about their Soccer club and the Chairman says things like "he needs to spend £50 million on that Striker!" easy to spend other people's money, but do you know how few people have £50 million washing around that they can throw about? and if they do, why the fuck should they be told how to spend their dough.
Be reasonable.
Don't worry I know what you said, all you do is repeat yourself and swerve, repeat and swerve, repeat and swerve until you've rendered the discussion unbearable.
Master - PPV has ruined boxing
MugFen - Boxing is more popular than at anytime since WW2
Master - Evil promoters are conning mugs
CuntFen - You have a choice whether or not to buy
Master - Evil promoters take all the money
CripFen - Fighters benefit most they get 80% of the show
Master - Boxers aren't worth the money
NazFen - Greedy fighters are to blame?
Master - Evil promoters have ruined boxing
DullFen - What about the BBC? They force you to hand over money
Master - Audley conned the BBC out of boxing
ArseFen - Greedy fighters fault?
Master - PPV has ruined boxing
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Do they do PPV in Germany where Wlad is popular? So it does not have to exist.
How Many Wlads are there in this World?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
In Germany, they also have 80,000 sell outs in the Bundesliga and pay as little as 15 euros a ticket.
Basically the money has to come from somewhere. More commercial sponsorship, image rights, self promoting,whatever.
But the money has to come from somewhere.
Now Haye self promotes, similarly to Wlad, but you think he's a cunt! So we can't win can we?
Not everyone has the clout that Wlad has. It takes years to get yourself into that position.
Time to have a rethink @Master. 😏
Once something can be monetized it is. And when it can be made more profitable it is.
But along those notes I think wealthy people going around buying up the land containing the worlds aquifers are evil. Not cable companies, they just suck
I've explained this already. Try reading some posts instead of spamming 50 half-sentences into every thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Your "greedy" fighters ruined boxing in Britain by "conning" the BBC (yes the BB-fucking-C) out of a 10-fight million quid deal. German TV paid £4 million for one fight.
PPV doesn't exist in Germany like boxing below welterweight doesn't exist.
PPV doesn't exist in Germany like small hall shows don't exist.
Read what I write, I am not blaming the fighters, the BBC executives over paid Audley who are to blame. If German TV paid £4 million for one fight and showed it free then that is good value for money.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI've explained this already. Try reading some posts instead of spamming 50 half-sentences into every thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Your "greedy" fighters ruined boxing in Britain by "conning" the BBC (yes the BB-fucking-C) out of a 10-fight million quid deal. German TV paid £4 million for one fight.
PPV doesn't exist in Germany like boxing below welterweight doesn't exist.
PPV doesn't exist in Germany like small hall shows don't exist.
"I'm not blaming the fighters" fucking hell , you got that right! You don't blame the fighters for anything. They have a part to play in your anger, whether you like it or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRead what I write, I am not blaming the fighters, the BBC executives over paid Audley who are to blame. If German TV paid £4 million for one fight and showed it free then that is good value for money.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI've explained this already. Try reading some posts instead of spamming 50 half-sentences into every thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Your "greedy" fighters ruined boxing in Britain by "conning" the BBC (yes the BB-fucking-C) out of a 10-fight million quid deal. German TV paid £4 million for one fight.
PPV doesn't exist in Germany like boxing below welterweight doesn't exist.
PPV doesn't exist in Germany like small hall shows don't exist.
Fighters take the real risk and it is a short career. They take the money they can get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera"I'm not blaming the fighters" fucking hell , you got that right! You don't blame the fighters for anything. They have a part to play in your anger, whether you like it or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRead what I write, I am not blaming the fighters, the BBC executives over paid Audley who are to blame. If German TV paid £4 million for one fight and showed it free then that is good value for money.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI've explained this already. Try reading some posts instead of spamming 50 half-sentences into every thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Your "greedy" fighters ruined boxing in Britain by "conning" the BBC (yes the BB-fucking-C) out of a 10-fight million quid deal. German TV paid £4 million for one fight.
PPV doesn't exist in Germany like boxing below welterweight doesn't exist.
PPV doesn't exist in Germany like small hall shows don't exist.
Yep, and in order to pay them tha money they want, there are more PPV's . Unless of course your name is Wladimir Klitschko and you basically self promote.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterFighters take the real risk and it is a short career. They take the money they can get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera"I'm not blaming the fighters" fucking hell , you got that right! You don't blame the fighters for anything. They have a part to play in your anger, whether you like it or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRead what I write, I am not blaming the fighters, the BBC executives over paid Audley who are to blame. If German TV paid £4 million for one fight and showed it free then that is good value for money.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI've explained this already. Try reading some posts instead of spamming 50 half-sentences into every thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Your "greedy" fighters ruined boxing in Britain by "conning" the BBC (yes the BB-fucking-C) out of a 10-fight million quid deal. German TV paid £4 million for one fight.
PPV doesn't exist in Germany like boxing below welterweight doesn't exist.
PPV doesn't exist in Germany like small hall shows don't exist.
Accept it and move on. That's the way it is bud.
What makes me laugh is , if you were at a do and Eddie Hearn was there, I bet you would end up having a fucking selfie with him! :p
If Wlad could do it so could AJ and the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYep, and in order to pay them tha money they want, there are more PPV's . Unless of course your name is Wladimir Klitschko and you basically self promote.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterFighters take the real risk and it is a short career. They take the money they can get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera"I'm not blaming the fighters" fucking hell , you got that right! You don't blame the fighters for anything. They have a part to play in your anger, whether you like it or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRead what I write, I am not blaming the fighters, the BBC executives over paid Audley who are to blame. If German TV paid £4 million for one fight and showed it free then that is good value for money.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI've explained this already. Try reading some posts instead of spamming 50 half-sentences into every thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Your "greedy" fighters ruined boxing in Britain by "conning" the BBC (yes the BB-fucking-C) out of a 10-fight million quid deal. German TV paid £4 million for one fight.
PPV doesn't exist in Germany like boxing below welterweight doesn't exist.
PPV doesn't exist in Germany like small hall shows don't exist.
Accept it and move on. That's the way it is bud.
What makes me laugh is , if you were at a do and Eddie Hearn was there, I bet you would end up having a fucking selfie with him! :p
Eddie is a cunt why would I take a photo with him?
@Master was begging me for a selfie whilst I was promoting your Mayweather/Conor bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIf Wlad could do it so could AJ and the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYep, and in order to pay them tha money they want, there are more PPV's . Unless of course your name is Wladimir Klitschko and you basically self promote.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterFighters take the real risk and it is a short career. They take the money they can get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera"I'm not blaming the fighters" fucking hell , you got that right! You don't blame the fighters for anything. They have a part to play in your anger, whether you like it or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRead what I write, I am not blaming the fighters, the BBC executives over paid Audley who are to blame. If German TV paid £4 million for one fight and showed it free then that is good value for money.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI've explained this already. Try reading some posts instead of spamming 50 half-sentences into every thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Your "greedy" fighters ruined boxing in Britain by "conning" the BBC (yes the BB-fucking-C) out of a 10-fight million quid deal. German TV paid £4 million for one fight.
PPV doesn't exist in Germany like boxing below welterweight doesn't exist.
PPV doesn't exist in Germany like small hall shows don't exist.
Accept it and move on. That's the way it is bud.
What makes me laugh is , if you were at a do and Eddie Hearn was there, I bet you would end up having a fucking selfie with him! :p
Eddie is a cunt why would I take a photo with him?
Not me, must have been someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Batman@Master was begging me for a selfie whilst I was promoting your Mayweather/Conor bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIf Wlad could do it so could AJ and the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYep, and in order to pay them tha money they want, there are more PPV's . Unless of course your name is Wladimir Klitschko and you basically self promote.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterFighters take the real risk and it is a short career. They take the money they can get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera"I'm not blaming the fighters" fucking hell , you got that right! You don't blame the fighters for anything. They have a part to play in your anger, whether you like it or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRead what I write, I am not blaming the fighters, the BBC executives over paid Audley who are to blame. If German TV paid £4 million for one fight and showed it free then that is good value for money.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI've explained this already. Try reading some posts instead of spamming 50 half-sentences into every thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Your "greedy" fighters ruined boxing in Britain by "conning" the BBC (yes the BB-fucking-C) out of a 10-fight million quid deal. German TV paid £4 million for one fight.
PPV doesn't exist in Germany like boxing below welterweight doesn't exist.
PPV doesn't exist in Germany like small hall shows don't exist.
Accept it and move on. That's the way it is bud.
What makes me laugh is , if you were at a do and Eddie Hearn was there, I bet you would end up having a fucking selfie with him! :p
Eddie is a cunt why would I take a photo with him?
well it couldn't have been anyone else, I asked the person that requested the selfie if they were enjoying the weather and they went on a 20 minute rant about how much they hate Mayweather, I tried to explain that the I was talking about weather as in sun, wind and snow but they were having none of it, they eventually pissed their pants and stomped off complaining about how much they despise Floyd even though they can't live without him.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterNot me, must have been someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Batman@Master was begging me for a selfie whilst I was promoting your Mayweather/Conor bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIf Wlad could do it so could AJ and the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYep, and in order to pay them tha money they want, there are more PPV's . Unless of course your name is Wladimir Klitschko and you basically self promote.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterFighters take the real risk and it is a short career. They take the money they can get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera"I'm not blaming the fighters" fucking hell , you got that right! You don't blame the fighters for anything. They have a part to play in your anger, whether you like it or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRead what I write, I am not blaming the fighters, the BBC executives over paid Audley who are to blame. If German TV paid £4 million for one fight and showed it free then that is good value for money.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI've explained this already. Try reading some posts instead of spamming 50 half-sentences into every thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Your "greedy" fighters ruined boxing in Britain by "conning" the BBC (yes the BB-fucking-C) out of a 10-fight million quid deal. German TV paid £4 million for one fight.
PPV doesn't exist in Germany like boxing below welterweight doesn't exist.
PPV doesn't exist in Germany like small hall shows don't exist.
Accept it and move on. That's the way it is bud.
What makes me laugh is , if you were at a do and Eddie Hearn was there, I bet you would end up having a fucking selfie with him! :p
Eddie is a cunt why would I take a photo with him?
I just assumed it was you
So now you're not blaming Audley. The promoter isn't to blame (who, by the way, was Audley - not sure why you think Wlad is the only self-promoter, dozens of fighters self-promote). The BBC are to blame for paying Audley too much?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRead what I write, I am not blaming the fighters, the BBC executives over paid Audley who are to blame. If German TV paid £4 million for one fight and showed it free then that is good value for money.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI've explained this already. Try reading some posts instead of spamming 50 half-sentences into every thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Your "greedy" fighters ruined boxing in Britain by "conning" the BBC (yes the BB-fucking-C) out of a 10-fight million quid deal. German TV paid £4 million for one fight.
PPV doesn't exist in Germany like boxing below welterweight doesn't exist.
PPV doesn't exist in Germany like small hall shows don't exist.
The BBC ruined boxing paying Audley £100,000 per fight.
Wlad getting £4 million for one fight is good value.
Surely even you can see the problem here?
Got to add it's laughable calling Wlad a self-promoter. K2 has some of the worlds top promoters (boxing and music) behind it - Tom Loeffler, Shelly Finkel, Bernd Bonte
By self promote, I believe they have a controlling interest in the company (financially)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Of course Loeffler probably has a stake and is the promotional face of the company, just like Warren's and McGuigan's sons are officially in charge of their respective companies.
By the way, this is for @Master, why don't we have a little challenge.
1. You reckon "if the Klits can self promote, then AJ can as well."
Why don't YOU use your business acumen and set up a promotional company ? Then you can show AJ how to do it! Piece of piss really. :rolleyes:
2. Do you want AJ to self promote because you feel he's not earning enough?
3. Surely if he starts to self promote, then he would be a cunt as well wouldn't he? He would be one of them!
Actually that is a bit oversimplifying things. Fighters sell their own tickets and are taking that risk all career by trying to balance sponsorship, often a day job and then ability to attract fans that will pay them for tickets. As they become more successful and prove themselves as having the pulling power, promoters will start to shoulder more of that risk and start selling and promoting more on behalf of the fighter. Most fighters do not make it to the level where they do not have to worry about personally shifting tickets. Big Promotional companies and Television Corporations can absorb that risk because they are set up to do just that promote. They do not have to embrace the risks the fighters do and have both a stable of fighters and a whole card to offset that. They win all ways. Fighters are there to make money. That is why it is called prizefighting. The fighters then often go on and to train and mange other fighters or at the very least inspire grass roots boxing which fills the gyms and grows the talent pool from which promoters cherry pick. So no, actually there is no way to argue that the boxers themselves are taking the money out of the sport. They are the sport. They employ everyone from trainers to managers and enable promoters, not the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraMate, I detest some of these ridiculous PPV's as much as you do. I also feel that Joe Public is getting rinsed in the UK .Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
But you have to be realistic and accept that the reason there are more PPV's is because of the demand of the fighters. Yes , promoters and TV Stations are making money, but that's what they're there to do.
And you turn around and say "fighters are earning but they'll be retired soon , but the promoters and TV Leeches will still be taking the money."
Well , you could actually turn that around and say "The fighters are taking the money out of the sport and will ride off into the sunset, but the promoters and TV will carry on investing in the sport and putting money back into it."
Hey, the top fighters know their market value and best of luck to them. But you can't deny the Promoters and TV the money they make because they're stumping up the dough and taking the risks!
Bit of perspective needed bud.
Never said it was easy Mr Frank Primo Hearn just said it is unfair that we (and USA) have to have box office and Germany/South Korea/Philippines watch their fights for free.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraBy self promote, I believe they have a controlling interest in the company (financially)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Of course Loeffler probably has a stake and is the promotional face of the company, just like Warren's and McGuigan's sons are officially in charge of their respective companies.
By the way, this is for @Master, why don't we have a little challenge.
1. You reckon "if the Klits can self promote, then AJ can as well."
Why don't YOU use your business acumen and set up a promotional company ? Then you can show AJ how to do it! Piece of piss really. :rolleyes:
2. Do you want AJ to self promote because you feel he's not earning enough?
3. Surely if he starts to self promote, then he would be a cunt as well wouldn't he? He would be one of them!
Philippines is PPV for Pac.
So that's USA, UK, OZ, Canada, Philippines, South Africa, India, Japan, South America (certain places), Europe (certain places), Asia (certain places)
Greedy fighters ruined boxing No I mean Greedy promoters ruined boxing No I mean Greedy TV companies ruined boxing. ;D
Just accept your a tight miserable cunt that's not willing to pay for it. Gawds sake.
I saw pictures where Philippines were watching the fight on a big TV screen for free.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
you can watch most fights for free in your local boozer or sports bar, its still PPVQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI saw pictures where Philippines were watching the fight on a big TV screen for free.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Explain how Miles can watch it free in South Korea?Quote:
Originally Posted by Batmanyou can watch most fights for free in your local boozer or sports bar, its still PPVQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI saw pictures where Philippines were watching the fight on a big TV screen for free.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
He can watch the odd international fight for free the same way as we watch international fights for free, it depends on who buys the product. International content is peanuts compared to a live production.
How many more times? It's not that hard to work out. We have 20+ LIVE domestic dates on SKY alone, BoxNation/BT, ITV and Channel 5 all showing regular live boxing. And between BN/SKY just about every top international fight in the world that takes place FREEEEEE (if you subscribe).
So why do we have to pay extra for Box Office? No need, it is a scam created by promoters and TV companies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
The horse has been flogged, it is what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo why do we have to pay extra for Box Office? No need, it is a scam created by promoters and TV companies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
A "scam" that benefits fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo why do we have to pay extra for Box Office? No need, it is a scam created by promoters and TV companies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
And here we go again.... ;D (not really ;D)
Evil promoters are unnecessary?
For a big show apart from stumping up all the dosh (which means they do their dough if it doesn't sell) they have to sort out sponsorship, venues, councils, police, security, TV, international rights, radio, press, newspapers, merchandise, weigh-ins, opponents, undercards, medicals, drug testing, travel, flights, hotels, training facilities, transport, food, officials, commission, hospitality etc.
Why oh why does a fighter, who is training everyday to make sure he doesn't get his face caved in, employ these evil bastards? Surely anyone can see fighters just need to show a bit of elbow grease inbetween chin-ups and star-jumps.
Fighters have to sign up to these promoters to earn a living otherwise they do not get exposure from the TV companies who work hand in hand with the self same promoters on exclusive contracts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Looks like it may happen on November 11th in Vegas
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/oth...-a3596456.html
This had all gone quiet and i was beginning to think it may not actually happen.
Still have my doubts
Correct! But it was created in order to pay the fighters the massive purses that they demand!Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo why do we have to pay extra for Box Office? No need, it is a scam created by promoters and TV companies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Again, who makes the most out of a ppv event?
And who puts money back into the sport? The Boxer or the Evil Promoter?
Mate, you can't just rinse and repeat the same fucking drivel without acknowledging the answers to those questions.
It is in the promoters interest for the boxer to be paid less. The boxers purse comes out of their profit margin, and stop demanding people answer your questions it's just lame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraCorrect! But it was created in order to pay the fighters the massive purses that they demand!Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo why do we have to pay extra for Box Office? No need, it is a scam created by promoters and TV companies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Again, who makes the most out of a ppv event?
And who puts money back into the sport? The Boxer or the Evil Promoter?
Mate, you can't just rinse and repeat the same fucking drivel without acknowledging the answers to those questions.
@Beanz, I didn't "DEMAND" he answered, I just said until he answers , we'll just keep going round in circles.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzIt is in the promoters interest for the boxer to be paid less. The boxers purse comes out of their profit margin, and stop demanding people answer your questions it's just lame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraCorrect! But it was created in order to pay the fighters the massive purses that they demand!Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo why do we have to pay extra for Box Office? No need, it is a scam created by promoters and TV companies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Again, who makes the most out of a ppv event?
And who puts money back into the sport? The Boxer or the Evil Promoter?
Mate, you can't just rinse and repeat the same fucking drivel without acknowledging the answers to those questions.
And besides , your answer didn't actually address the statement.
Finally, who asked you about it and who the fuck are you to tell me to stop asking questions? 😎