I've been to 5 African countries: trust me, they're shitholes

The numbers do not lie, Beanz. Many countries in Africa have a birth rate of half a dozen children per woman. Do you think that should be encouraged or discouraged? Is David Attenborough trolling when he describes humanity as 'a disease on the planet'? Should Europeans just open their borders in order to show much empathy they have? You know it isn't sustainable. The number of foreign born residents of the UK increased by 67% between 2001 and 2011. I was reading that Italy took in 600,000 Africans over just 4 years. It just isn't sustainable. All I argue is that women have a little bit more respect for themselves and the planet by not behaving like this. If you cannot raise a kid, then the decent thing to do is simply not to have a kid. It is selfish to continually get pregnant when you have no resources to raise the child.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/eart...enborough.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKBN1A30QD

It take 2 people to have a baby and yet you emphasise that the woman needs to stop having babies.

Those Italian citizens, because that it what they are as they were born in the country, will grow up and contribute to the country. They will become labourers, plumbers, drivers, doctors, nurses, cooks, lawyers and business people who will pay taxes and support the dependant population in the country.

The woman is the gatekeeper. She is the one who will grow the baby inside her and give birth to the child. She has a responsibility to make sure the man involved is decent, devoted and mature enough to be a stable father. She has a responsibilty to control herself and consider her impact. It is no coincidence that the lowest birth rates are in the most intelligent parts of the world.

I quite agree that a lot of men are no good. So why be involved with them? In the West it is like with Carrillion. We bail out those who act the most improperly. There is no penalty for risky behavior. In fact, prefering bad role models is quite hip. Amir Khan probably does quite well carrying on like he does. Yet women seem to enable him!

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The woman is the gatekeeper. She is the one who will grow the baby inside her and give birth to the child. She has a responsibility to make sure the man involved is decent, devoted and mature enough to be a stable father. She has a responsibilty to control herself and consider her impact. It is no coincidence that the lowest birth rates are in the most intelligent parts of the world.

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Jack rabbit baby making for various reasons isn't exclusive to Africa, 2 upper middle class wankers living in Vegas have just been locked up for starving and shackling a total of 13 of their own children, until one escaped. Pretty sick story early on.

No it isn't exclusive to Africa as we see with these stories of families in the West of 10 or more children. Less intelligent people do not consider their impact on the planet or even think about what they are doing. Amir Khan is very wealthy, but he is a perfect example of a thicko that no woman should be getting involved with. Yet here he is about to be a dad. He is clearly going to cause havoc. However, the woman mothering this baby knew full well what she was getting into. Luckily for her he does have money. The poor women who get into that kind of pickle will end up needing the taxpayer to pick things up when it goes wrong as it so obviously will. It sounds extreme but anybody can become a Mum and I think that is a tragedy for all too many babies. Before you can teach you need qualifications. Before you can drive a car you must pass a test. To hand out meds you should pass a course in pharmacology.....yet anyone can be a Mum whenever they want and that is fricking crazy when you think about the social, economic, and moral ramifications. We are seeing the fallout today in Africa and also in the West with the single Mums who seem to be everywhere. No training, kids guzzling sugar, no vegetables, neglect, abuse, surrounded by alcohol, smoke and drugs. It's toxic.

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The woman is the gatekeeper. She is the one who will grow the baby inside her and give birth to the child. She has a responsibility to make sure the man involved is decent, devoted and mature enough to be a stable father. She has a responsibilty to control herself and consider her impact. It is no coincidence that the lowest birth rates are in the most intelligent parts of the world.

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Some women do not have control over their bodies and are "sold" to other men. They are considered baby making machines.

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The woman is the gatekeeper. She is the one who will grow the baby inside her and give birth to the child. She has a responsibility to make sure the man involved is decent, devoted and mature enough to be a stable father. She has a responsibilty to control herself and consider her impact. It is no coincidence that the lowest birth rates are in the most intelligent parts of the world.

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Some women do not have control over their bodies and are "sold" to other men. They are considered baby making machines.

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That is unlikely to be the primary reason for Africa's population expansionism problems. If it was then it would suggest Trump was more on the ball than we realised. Anywhere where women are treated as baby making slaves has to be a bit of a shithole. The real issue is that Africans refuse to use contraception. Then because of that they then demand that their children be let into Europe to then have far too many children there and change the demographics forever. Eventually what you have is not Europe, but an extension of Nigeria which is so great that people are constantly trying to escape.

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The woman is the gatekeeper. She is the one who will grow the baby inside her and give birth to the child. She has a responsibility to make sure the man involved is decent, devoted and mature enough to be a stable father. She has a responsibilty to control herself and consider her impact. It is no coincidence that the lowest birth rates are in the most intelligent parts of the world.

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Some women do not have control over their bodies and are "sold" to other men. They are considered baby making machines.

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That is unlikely to be the primary reason for Africa's population expansionism problems. If it was then it would suggest Trump was more on the ball than we realised. Anywhere where women are treated as baby making slaves has to be a bit of a shithole. The real issue is that Africans refuse to use contraception. Then because of that they then demand that their children be let into Europe to then have far too many children there and change the demographics forever. Eventually what you have is not Europe, but an extension of Nigeria which is so great that people are constantly trying to escape.

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I was making a general point that women do not always have the sole control over their own bodies.

True, I control them

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You don't even have control of your own mind or your own hands on the keyboard.... wanker. Fucking shithole of a poster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rf3lhUzB-Y

Murray makes the case that people coming from Africa are economic migrants. It basically shows that far from helping having too many children means there is nothing for people at home so they end up leaving for other countries. Then of course once they are settled in further down the line they can then bring their families with them.

Miles why are you posting Far Right propoganda? Rebel Media? What next Stormfront?

You seem to have a massive issue with both black people and women.

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Miles why are you posting Far Right propoganda? Rebel Media? What next Stormfront?

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Yes you do Miles, why is that?

I have an issue with anyone having that many children in an age of excessive resource consumption. It could be Casanova, a Princess, a local stud, a teen Mum, whatever it may be. Black and women too if that is what they are. The population expansionism problems are largely Middle Eastern and African issues today and will be Western issues too if things carry on as they are. It is not sustainable. My arguments are always pretty consistent on this particular issue.

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Miles why are you posting Far Right propoganda? Rebel Media? What next Stormfront?

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Yes you do Miles, why is that?

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It isn't about race, it is about behavior. The Middle East and Africa are both seeing excessive population expansionism. It is the same among the poor in the West, though on a lesser scale. I just don't want to see people born into a world where they are screwed from the off. It is better to just not let it happen to begin with.

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Miles why are you posting Far Right propoganda? Rebel Media? What next Stormfront?

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Yes you do Miles, why is that?

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It isn't about race, it is about behavior. The Middle East and Africa are both seeing excessive population expansionism. It is the same among the poor in the West, though on a lesser scale. I just don't want to see people born into a world where they are screwed from the off. It is better to just not let it happen to begin with.

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Stop avoiding the question you just wrote off an entire fucking continent mate and then posted something from a group connected to American white supremacist Richard Spencer.

I have said that 6 women per child is extremism and is selfish. No good can come of the kind of population expansionism we are now seeing. In fact European immigration today is a prime example of how Africa has gone wrong in that regard.

I have no idea where Murray is speaking from, all I care about is the content he articulates and it makes sense.

I love women; especially those who think about what are doing and don't behave recklessly. Race is neither here nor there with me. It is all about the behavior and it could be Africa, Middle East or next doors druggie.

Africa needs time to evolve and develop poor people in general have large families and a large child mortality rate.
Not unlike this Country hundred or so years back you must remember it took years to eradicate childhood diseases and improve health .
A modern society does not come overnight it takes years so Africa has a lot of catching up to do .
Miles education is a big factor so you as a teacher should know that but people who live hand to mouth education must be low on the list on the need to survive mate.
Harsh reality in Africa most of the people who run the Country's could not run a fucking bath mate.
Mugabe fucked up his Country it used to be the bread basket of Africa extremely fertility rich in natrule ressuses .
It's not about race colour it's the right people for the job Mugabe starved his people imagine if a western leader had done the same thing.!

Women are regarded as inferior to men and don't possess the same rights in many of these "shithole" countries, so to blame them for not keeping their legs shut, using contraception and being uneducated thickos is diabolical.

My mums father left Ireland to work here, met another woman and started another family, never to return, leaving my mums mwother stranded with 5 kids and not a pot to piss in (literally). She eventually brought them to London, searching for him, and they all grew up, lived and snuffed it here (my mad mum is still alive, touch wood).

I highly doubt most single mums choose to be that way.

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Women are regarded as inferior to men and don't possess the same rights in many of these "shithole" countries, so to blame them for not keeping their legs shut, using contraception and being uneducated thickos is diabolical.

My mums father left Ireland to work here, met another woman and started another family, never to return, leaving my mums mwother stranded with 5 kids and not a pot to piss in (literally). She eventually brought them to London, searching for him, and they all grew up, lived and snuffed it here (my mad mum is still alive, touch wood).

I highly doubt most single mums choose to be that way.

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I think what Miles is saying (except to Beanz) is that women withh fags hanging out of their mouths pushing baby strollers have made poor decisions, he wasnt only talking about those women who have no voice such as in Afghanistan or Saudi. Now Beanz ---- now THERE is a woman with a voice.

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It take 2 people to have a baby and yet you emphasise that the woman needs to stop having babies.Those Italian citizens, because that it what they are as they were born in the country, will grow up and contribute to the country. They will become labourers, plumbers, drivers, doctors, nurses, cooks, lawyers and business people who will pay taxes and support the dependant population in the country.

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Most will claim benefits as they cant afford to keep the children they have , others will work minimum wage so never pay tax , their children will get free healthcare / education / etc. no real benefit to the indigenous stock.Taking in a qualified doctor is very different from a peasant with nothing , although id prefer to train doctors rather than take that option.Thats what happens when you let people from 3 world countries into a stable society , thankyou liberal ponces.

It is not diabolical to suggest that women be more responsible and stop having so many children. Looking at the immigration which is mostly young men, it makes you wonder if any of these men are actually in relationships or acting as fathers. Women should not be having relationships with low quality men. There is no excuse for it.

The point being though that there are too many ofthem and it is not sustainable. The mood in Europe now is that Europeans have had enough of unskilled young men flooding their countries. There are too many of them simply because of the excessive birth rates. Africa has done it to itself.

A man cannot give birth but a woman chooses to get pregnant and chooses to keep the baby. She controls the situation. It shouldn't be easy to knock someone up. It's not classy. If she does this again and again then you have to question her behavior. It's a given that all too many men are rascals. There should be no child unless there are resources, commitment, and love.

Unfortunately there seems to be very little thinking going on whence the population problems.

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It take 2 people to have a baby and yet you emphasise that the woman needs to stop having babies.Those Italian citizens, because that it what they are as they were born in the country, will grow up and contribute to the country. They will become labourers, plumbers, drivers, doctors, nurses, cooks, lawyers and business people who will pay taxes and support the dependant population in the country.

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Most will claim benefits as they cant afford to keep the children they have , others will work minimum wage so never pay tax , their children will get free healthcare / education / etc. no real benefit to the indigenous stock.Taking in a qualified doctor is very different from a peasant with nothing , although id prefer to train doctors rather than take that option.Thats what happens when you let people from 3 world countries into a stable society , thankyou liberal ponces.

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Germany has a aging population which is one of the reasons they took mass migration.

Whilst the children get educated they will want to secure good jobs after and do better than their parents.

You can see the next generation coming through, look at the German or Italy with boxers and footballers with Turkish and African backgrounds. France and England have longer history of it.

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It take 2 people to have a baby and yet you emphasise that the woman needs to stop having babies.Those Italian citizens, because that it what they are as they were born in the country, will grow up and contribute to the country. They will become labourers, plumbers, drivers, doctors, nurses, cooks, lawyers and business people who will pay taxes and support the dependant population in the country.

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Most will claim benefits as they cant afford to keep the children they have , others will work minimum wage so never pay tax , their children will get free healthcare / education / etc. no real benefit to the indigenous stock.Taking in a qualified doctor is very different from a peasant with nothing , although id prefer to train doctors rather than take that option.Thats what happens when you let people from 3 world countries into a stable society , thankyou liberal ponces.

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Germany has a aging population which is one of the reasons they took mass migration.

Whilst the children get educated they will want to secure good jobs after and do better than their parents.

You can see the next generation coming through, look at the German or Italy with boxers and footballers with Turkish and African backgrounds. France and England have longer history of it.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCsEqKjP9p0

Good luck with that. I am sure that these chaps are all future doctors and teachers.

Holy cow! You have just taken the place of Brock well done.

Not an argument.

I have just watched another video and they are saying that the women are treated like crap too, so it goes back to my original argument. If there are women being treated so badly, then why are we letting in hordes of men who have no respect for anybody? They are obviously not from good countries and they will try to spread their bad influences like in Sweden which has 50 no go zones. This would indicate that Trump's words might well have validity and as usual the left has basically gone 'How dare he.....racist pig' etc even though most would actually agree that these are not such nice places to be living in.

For me, I think women, certainly in the West are all about choice and they generally make terrible decisions. In Africa it is less cut and dry and it seems rather horrible if women either cannot stop having so many children because of ome cultural conditioning or are forced to have so many children. Either way the fallout of that is toxic and devastating as seen by Sweden which has imploded and constantly being short of food because there are too many people.

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Watch this and tell me there is nothing to worry about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk-ISywCbps

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Exactly. Whenever you nail one of them real good with a perfectly logical argument there then deflect to some kind of a subjective judgmental personal assessment of you

Exactly, it always gets spun into you don't like black people or women or whatever it is. It misses the point which is mostly about the terrible impact having too many children has on not only Africa, but countries that are then overburdened with economic migrants who don't really have any skills.

What a pair of cowardly cunts. Posting a video from the Nordic Defense league now in which the comments are full of things like "We need another Hitler..lets start building the ovens"

That is not an argument, that is you posting propaganda to suit your own agenda. This is from a guy who tells us an article about a women engaging in bestiality is his kind of article and somebody who is still insisiting on writing off an entire continent. Are you both suggesting that X is full of shit and that all of Africa can be written off?

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It take 2 people to have a baby and yet you emphasise that the woman needs to stop having babies.Those Italian citizens, because that it what they are as they were born in the country, will grow up and contribute to the country. They will become labourers, plumbers, drivers, doctors, nurses, cooks, lawyers and business people who will pay taxes and support the dependant population in the country.

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Most will claim benefits as they cant afford to keep the children they have , others will work minimum wage so never pay tax , their children will get free healthcare / education / etc. no real benefit to the indigenous stock.Taking in a qualified doctor is very different from a peasant with nothing , although id prefer to train doctors rather than take that option.Thats what happens when you let people from 3 world countries into a stable society , thankyou liberal ponces.

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Germany has a aging population which is one of the reasons they took mass migration.

Whilst the children get educated they will want to secure good jobs after and do better than their parents.

You can see the next generation coming through, look at the German or Italy with boxers and footballers with Turkish and African backgrounds. France and England have longer history of it.

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Germany took in mass migrants from 3 world countries because an inept idiotic insane Politician who for her own gains allowed it to happen . It is apparent Merkel was trying to write her name into the history books as a great leader with a Nobel peace prize.
Her name will indeed be written into history as a bloody minded fool , with only thinks of herself.

Okay then Beanz. How about a world where every single woman has 6 children? It would lead to environmental, economic, and social disaster within a couple of generations. We cannot simply keep doubling the human population every 10 years. Being nice and encouraging it does not help anyone. Instead all I am saying is that it would be a good idea for women not to have so many children. It would be good for the planet, good for society, and most of all better for those women who could spend time learning and working. Africa has problems, and like Attenborough says, the constant famines are really an issue of overpopulation. So is the migrant crisis. The UK would be a mess if the population doubled to 120 million. Uncontrolled population expansionism is a disaster no matter where it is. You cannot feed or house everyone when the population doubles every decade. Systems eventually break down as does society.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRPmLWYbUqA

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Okay then Beanz. How about a world where every single woman has 6 children? It would lead to environmental, economic, and social disaster within a couple of generations. We cannot simply keep doubling the human population every 10 years. Being nice and encouraging it does not help anyone. Instead all I am saying is that it would be a good idea for women not to have so many children. It would be good for the planet, good for society, and most of all better for those women who could spend time learning and working. Africa has problems, and like Attenborough says, the constant famines are really an issue of overpopulation. So is the migrant crisis. The UK would be a mess if the population doubled to 120 million. Uncontrolled population expansionism is a disaster no matter where it is. You cannot feed or house everyone when the population doubles every decade. Systems eventually break down as does society.

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We don't live in a world where every single woman has six children though do we? far from it. You are talking to someone from a very large family with children and grandchildren of his own, Both Jews and Gypsies have big families but I don't use that to try and suggest you should be like me or the cultures that i am from. Yet you are taking about Africa like it is all sub-Saharan Africa and ignoring first hand experience from X that proves how ignorant Trump and his idiot sheeple blow hard lackey Brockton are. Afghanistan, Congo, East Timor, Niger etc still have women having too many babies because ironically , war, famine and disasters keep fertility rates high. When parents are more confident they will survive they have less of them. Other countries in Africa are as different as those in Europe. Not only that but in countries like Ethiopia the fertility rates are going up in some parts and down in others. Still though in Ethiopia in the capital the average is less than two children per women and the rate is going down but in the mountains , nomads still have larger families, even there though it has fallen form 7 to 4.

This idiotic insistence that everything can be summed up in a twatty soundbite and that anyone who does not subscribe to it is PC is fucking mental. You end up with stupid people with big mouths dominating the discourse because anything they don't like they just ignore and put it down to fake news, mental illness or PC ponces.
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It is a matter of species survival that people have smaller families and stop having so many children. That it hurts someone's feelings because they come from a big family is neither here nor there. It is just reality and there is nothing mental about it. The facts are that many African countries have a birth rate of 5 children per woman and up and that is ecologically and morally very dangerous. There is no way to sugar coat that fact and to continue behaving like that will mean their children and their children in turn will have a worse standard of living. It will also lead to more and more problems in Europe and likely see a massive shift to the right. I don't particularly want to see that happen. If one really loves the planet and wants to make a difference all they need to do is stop having so many children. It is that simple. 4 children is still completely unsustainable. Mathematically 1 is decent, 2 pushing it and 3 and beyond a bit selfish. We have all the knowledge and information we need. We know that to keep pushing it like this the consequences will be dire.