Andre Ward at heavyweight?

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

I just can't see Ward lasting against AJ, Ortiz or Wilder for over 5 rounds. Strength, weight advantage, bone structure and density as well as speed.

Ward may just be talking. What I have come to understand in the heavier division it is about bone structure and bone density, which helps to absorb punishment and be stronger to dish out punishment. Ward is a good Super-Middle, and would have been a dominant Middle if he decided to fight there.

Heavier people don't have higher bone density. In fact the higher your fat content the lower the bone density. And heavier people have higher body fat percentages.

You can adjust your bone density by training. Adaptive stress, same as with muscles. But a bigger person is generally going to have worse stamina allowing them to put less stress. Yes, a higher weight seems like more stress but it is met with bigger bones balancing that out.(larger, not more dense) The smaller guy will train harder, faster, longer, and with this have more adaptation.

So in short, big guys have less bone density.

Bullshit, but not all Bullshit. FAT people are different from BIG people. Bone density is the strength and weight of your frame/skeleton, has nothing to do with muscles or how much fat around it you have.

For example the difference between Fallon Fox (transgender MMA fighter) and the women he/she faces. She may be the same weight, same height and even the same reach. HOWEVER, her bone strength and density is FAR GREATER than any woman he/she has faced. Which gives he a distinct advantage over the women he/she faces, regardless of what the scales say or how good her opposition's muscles look or how tall they are.

Fat people are different than big people, true. But the larger people are the higher their body fat percentages are. And body fat is directly related to bone density. You are speaking of tensile strength not bone density. Bone density is quite literally the density of your bones. The strength and weight of your bones is quite literally not bone density.

Nope. I'm talking about bone density, tensile strength is something a little different, but not all out of the discussion as it does prove more of a point- in that some people can be fat, but that weight or even muscle mass may equal to strength and durability in the ring. I think that's why we had weight classes in the first place and why boxing is a fitness sport even by casual participants.

Bone density better encapsulates jaw and eye-socket breakage, neck reverberation and whiplash, broken hands and more resounding effects from temple and nose shots.

Tensile strength does not encapsulate that, in fact it is not even a part of the dynamic in durability and punch-resistance as it is an opposite measurability of durability. In fact, you may want to say compressive strength, which bone density may be more comparable to and what may be more in line to your train of though.