If the fight was to happen and Fury did win would it be seen as an amazing feat for someone who has only fought 2 bums in 3 years or would people say Wilder was exposed?
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If the fight was to happen and Fury did win would it be seen as an amazing feat for someone who has only fought 2 bums in 3 years or would people say Wilder was exposed?
Wilder seems 100% it's a goer...
“It could be wrapped up next week,” Wilder said. “Or it could be wrapped up [Friday]. We’re that close. This has been the easiest negotiation I’ve ever been in, dealing with a fight of this magnitude. That just lets you know this fight will happen. I don’t see nothing that will stop this fight from happening, nothing at all.”
https://www.boxingscene.com/wilder-f...-fight--130556
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Originally Posted by smashup
If this does happen and Fury manages to pull off a win it'll be a fucking masterstroke in the art of gatecrashing the party.
Wilder is supposedly doing the commentary for BT Sports at the Frampton/Fury night so maybe we'll get an announcement Then?
I like this fight stylewise too so fingers crossed we get it. 😎
Certainly want it but with a fit Fury.
I'm realising how big a Tyson Fury fan I actually am after initially thinking he was a knob a few years back. Everything is tongue in cheek and extremely talented - oh and fucking huge too !
Hope he cleans up
I think with Wilder you need to hit him hard and early. Not sold on Fury's power and composure to do that. He did brilliantly sticking to a master plan with Wlad but I think AJ irons out Wilder early doors, where Fury makes it dangerous the longer he drags it out. He is not in the kind of shape mentally to be disciplined for 12 rounds at the moment IMO.
I agree but as mark tko said if Fury could pull this off, he would be a genius. This fight against Wilder is not as difficult as going to Germany and beating Wlad. I know it is mad but Fury has done the impossible before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
All this ring rust lark is way over the top, all Fury needs to be is not fat as fuck. It's not like the old days, sparring partners fly into each others camps from all over the world at the mention of a tweet these days.
Fury will school Wilder, his jab/levers/switching are enough to stop "mr cocked right hand" from ever getting "lucky" with an atomic windmill. Ortiz tamed him throwing three jabs per round from a southpaw stance. Fury has fought entire fights as a lefty.
Id heavily favour Fury in this too, Wilders always gonna have a Punchers chance against anyone and an athletic, unpredictable guy nearly the same size (what is Wilder 6ft 7 tall?) Makes this an intruiging matchup for me but I just see Fury completely nullifying everything he tries to bring and fucking his head up by the mid rounds out of pure awkwardness.
Fury is a fucking nightmare to fight for anyone.
AJ v Fury for me is a much more closely fought fight.
This potentially could pan out that Fury scalps Wilder, takes his belt then fights AJ in April 2019 at Wembley.
Imagine that.... 2 Brits fighting for all the belts in our national stadium in front of 90,000 people. 😎
actually Fenster you're right. It's not ring rustness it's fat bastardness
And smash yes can you imagine that - it would be right up there with when Big Frank fought John Emmen at the Albert Hall in 91
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Originally Posted by Batman
I'll have a go at that one too, since I'm answering all Fury-related questions.
Answer is "B", Wilder was exposed.
To expand. If Wilder loses to a "fat fuck" (someone else's description but I like it) with two laughable tuneups "fights" (quotation marks for a reason) after imploding following his horrific win over Wladimir Klitschko and falling off the cliff of professional boxing....................... YEAH............... I'd say with pretty much certainty it was that Wilder was exposed.
If Fury pulled this off then you do have to give him some credit, and it was me that called him that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Batman
I'll have a go at that one too, since I'm answering all Fury-related questions.
Answer is "B", Wilder was exposed.
To expand. If Wilder loses to a "fat fuck" (someone else's description but I like it) with two laughable tuneups "fights" (quotation marks for a reason) after imploding following his horrific win over Wladimir Klitschko and falling off the cliff of professional boxing....................... YEAH............... I'd say with pretty much certainty it was that Wilder was exposed.
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Originally Posted by MasterIf Fury pulled this off then you do have to give him some credit, and it was me that called him that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Batman
I'll have a go at that one too, since I'm answering all Fury-related questions.
Answer is "B", Wilder was exposed.
To expand. If Wilder loses to a "fat fuck" (someone else's description but I like it) with two laughable tuneups "fights" (quotation marks for a reason) after imploding following his horrific win over Wladimir Klitschko and falling off the cliff of professional boxing....................... YEAH............... I'd say with pretty much certainty it was that Wilder was exposed.
Very little, and I've seen it said by others too.
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Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Batman
I'll have a go at that one too, since I'm answering all Fury-related questions.
Answer is "B", Wilder was exposed.
To expand. If Wilder loses to a "fat fuck" (someone else's description but I like it) with two laughable tuneups "fights" (quotation marks for a reason) after imploding following his horrific win over Wladimir Klitschko and falling off the cliff of professional boxing....................... YEAH............... I'd say with pretty much certainty it was that Wilder was exposed.
But on the flipside of that if a big fat fuck with only 2 easy tune up fights coming off a 3 year drink, drug and depression problem, losing 7 stone along the way does beat Wilder on US soil, does that not make him an excellent fighter?
I think Wilder is too fast and athletic to not land some massive right hands on Fury at times and Fury ain't exactly a hard hitter who's power makes an opponent think twice about attacking him, it's his freakish height, reach and slippery awkward style that gets him results.
Furys chin is still a bit suspect when it boils down to it and if Wilder is able to land his right hand Furys in trouble.
It's a great mix of fucked up wild styles that intruiges me as a fan.
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Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Batman
I'll have a go at that one too, since I'm answering all Fury-related questions.
Answer is "B", Wilder was exposed.
To expand. If Wilder loses to a "fat fuck" (someone else's description but I like it) with two laughable tuneups "fights" (quotation marks for a reason) after imploding following his horrific win over Wladimir Klitschko and falling off the cliff of professional boxing....................... YEAH............... I'd say with pretty much certainty it was that Wilder was exposed.
But on the flipside of that if a big fat fuck with only 2 easy tune up fights coming off a 3 year drink, drug and depression problem, losing 7 stone along the way does beat Wilder on US soil, does that not make him an excellent fighter?
I think Wilder is too fast and athletic to not land some massive right hands on Fury at times and Fury ain't exactly a hard hitter who's power makes an opponent think twice about attacking him, it's his freakish height, reach and slippery awkward style that gets him results.
Furys chin is still a bit suspect when it boils down to it and if Wilder is able to land his right hand Furys in trouble.
It's a great mix of fucked up wild styles that intruiges me as a fan.
I don't think that makes him an excellent fighter, just like his win over Wlad I didn't think meant Fury was an excellent fighter either. Awkward, yes. Wily, yes. Savvy, yes. Fury beat Wlad by getting into his head (not that Wlad needed much help on that..... he had been "Timid Wlad" for over a decade, thanks to Emmanuel Steward's Bambi defense coaching). But back to Wilder. Wilder is fast and athletic... yes. Huge puncher, too. So obviously Fury would get his due credit for doing what AJ is obviously not willing to do..... travel to the U.S. and beating Wilder in his own backyard. But would that make him an excellent fighter? IMO, no. Wilder is fast and athletic, but tremendously RAW. If he was anything close to being a classic boxer with passable boxing skills.... he'd be undefeated until age 50. Nobody would touch him. But couple Wilder's rawness with Fury's awkwardness and savvy..... and you've got a recipe for success, provided Fury doesn't get tagged. I'll agree with your last sentence, though. It IS a great mix of fucked up wild styles.
Maybe not excellent fighter but certainly an exceptional fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Batman
I'll have a go at that one too, since I'm answering all Fury-related questions.
Answer is "B", Wilder was exposed.
To expand. If Wilder loses to a "fat fuck" (someone else's description but I like it) with two laughable tuneups "fights" (quotation marks for a reason) after imploding following his horrific win over Wladimir Klitschko and falling off the cliff of professional boxing....................... YEAH............... I'd say with pretty much certainty it was that Wilder was exposed.
But on the flipside of that if a big fat fuck with only 2 easy tune up fights coming off a 3 year drink, drug and depression problem, losing 7 stone along the way does beat Wilder on US soil, does that not make him an excellent fighter?
I think Wilder is too fast and athletic to not land some massive right hands on Fury at times and Fury ain't exactly a hard hitter who's power makes an opponent think twice about attacking him, it's his freakish height, reach and slippery awkward style that gets him results.
Furys chin is still a bit suspect when it boils down to it and if Wilder is able to land his right hand Furys in trouble.
It's a great mix of fucked up wild styles that intruiges me as a fan.
I don't think that makes him an excellent fighter, just like his win over Wlad I didn't think meant Fury was an excellent fighter either. Awkward, yes. Wily, yes. Savvy, yes. Fury beat Wlad by getting into his head (not that Wlad needed much help on that..... he had been "Timid Wlad" for over a decade, thanks to Emmanuel Steward's Bambi defense coaching). But back to Wilder. Wilder is fast and athletic... yes. Huge puncher, too. So obviously Fury would get his due credit for doing what AJ is obviously not willing to do..... travel to the U.S. and beating Wilder in his own backyard. But would that make him an excellent fighter? IMO, no. Wilder is fast and athletic, but tremendously RAW. If he was anything close to being a classic boxer with passable boxing skills.... he'd be undefeated until age 50. Nobody would touch him. But couple Wilder's rawness with Fury's awkwardness and savvy..... and you've got a recipe for success, provided Fury doesn't get tagged. I'll agree with your last sentence, though. It IS a great mix of fucked up wild styles.
Are people seriously picking Fury to win this? Fury is so overrated it’s ridiculous. If this was right after the Wlad fight, I would be 50/50. Now, as @TitoFan said, it would just be a complete implosion by Wilder if he lost. Wilder has proven to have stamina to last 12 rounds. No way Fury can last down the stretch if it even got that far.
IF Fury did pull this off, and IF he beat AJ , there’s one thing above all that I would look forward to........yes,
THE RETURN OF @ross! ;D;D
I agree but if he did it it would be an amazing acheivment.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Tyson Fury is making a big mistake, he won't be ready for Wilder in November
Fury needs to first fight several decent journeymen to get back into his best fighting shape before going in with Wilder or Joshua!
After his massive weight gain, depression and long period of inactivity, he shouldn't fight someone like Wilder until at least the summer of 2019, especially not in Las Vegas with it's dodgy referees and judges.
I realize Wilder is far from invincible. If Fury waits until he's back into his top form, he's sure to win. But November 2018 is too soon, he's going to very likely ruin his chances of getting back to the top of the heavyweight division.
IF he could beat Wilder then it would be the best decision of his life. If not, I think he goes back into his depression and quits boxing again.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI agree but if he did it it would be an amazing acheivment.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Hard.
I agree. Even the real Tyson built himself up first after the long lay off. I can see Fury being a bit like Hatton after a long lay off and the timing, stamina and drive won't be the same. Fury will get knocked out. He wasn't that good to begin with. Both Fury and Joshua beat an old and done Wlad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom
He could just get back on the wild boar and he'll be in top condition again.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Then he will be out for another 3 years by being banned.Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerqHe could just get back on the wild boar and he'll be in top condition again.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Wilder v Fury I think Tyson will just be to crafty for Wilder learning on holding he will frustrate him winning on points in one ugly fight.
Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury set for November as WBC champion hits out at ‘embarrassing’ Anthony Joshua
Deontay Wilder has revealed a deal to face Tyson Fury is close and that the duo are set to fight in either “November or December” as the WBC heavyweight champion took another passing shot at rival Anthony Joshua.
Fury revealed last week that his team were in talks for the fight, which is believed to be pencilled in for Las Vegas on either 10 or 17 November of this year.
Wilder was left frustrated in his negotiations with Joshua and his promoter Eddie Hearn this summer as the two parties could not make a deal on an undisputed unification fight for this year, and has consequently turned to other options.
Joshua will face his mandatory challenger Alexander Povetkin instead of Wilder now after being threatened with the stripping of his belts.
Wilder revealed how pleasantly surprised he had been with the quick progress of negotiations between his team and Fury’s in what will be the biggest fight of his career to date.
“Whatever date that suits us best, that’s the date we’ll go with,” Wilder told BoxingScene.com. “But people should know that this fight is happening. It will happen. We just can’t wait. We can’t wait to announce it and get it on.
“It could be wrapped up next week. Or it could be wrapped up [Friday]. We’re that close. This has been the easiest negotiation I’ve ever been in, dealing with a fight of this magnitude. That just lets you know this fight will happen. I don’t see nothing that will stop this fight from happening, nothing at all.”
https://s.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/N3...ee716c0f17d7c4
Wilder called Fury, who is still boxing’s lineal world heavyweight champion, a “true champion” and claimed that he saved the UK from the “embarrassment” of Joshua not taking the fight. He also praised the Manchester fighter for being willing to fight in America, even though he could have demanded Wilder came to the UK, where he would have earned more money.
“I respect for him and I salute him for that [accepting the fight in America], for trying to save face for his country, to try to save them from the embarrassment they feel over there,” Wilder said.
“Because we’re laughing at them hard, especially when Joshua asked for $50 million and then talked about he was just playing. But Fury, he’s a true champion. This is what champions are all about.
“This is a bigger fight than the Joshua fight. This is a way bigger fight. Just for Tyson to take this opportunity, and be able to do [a deal] in a short amount of time, it tells you about his character. He’s a true warrior. He’s a true gypsy king and I can’t wait to share a ring with him.
“This is humiliation for Joshua’s side. They didn’t wanna fight, they didn’t wanna let me in the ring, they didn’t want no confrontation with me, they didn’t wanna look me in the eye. So we’re showing the young boy what it is to be a man, what the requirements of this job are. So I hope Joshua and his team are taking notes on what real champions are supposed to do. Real kings are supposed to fight each other.”
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/deo...114700177.html
Sounds like Fury has provided Wilder a new angle through which to vent his frustrations at the failed AJ fight negotiations..... and Wilder will play that up to the hilt.
If Fury kisses Wilder in the ring then all bets are off. 😂
Can Fury get at least 2 fights in before the Wilder fight?
If so, then make it in December.
Fury just needs more real rounds. He's too mobile and crafty for Wilder as has been mentioned before.
Unless Wilder clocks Firy, he'll get frustrated and begin to be demoralised by 4 rounds.
They would not allow Fury to fight another time. Fury will have to work hard to get fighting fit and seasoned. Quality sparring will help him get off the ring rust but psychologically he will know he has not prepared for a hard fight. Fury must try to get Wilder's head and play mind games with him to slow him down.Quote:
Originally Posted by sanatogen
Lennox Lewis blames Hearn
Lennox Lewis spells out in clear, unequivocal terms what Anthony Joshua has to do if he really wants to succeed him as the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world.
He tells Joshua: 'Go order Eddie Hearn to make the fight with Deontay Wilder. Now is the moment when you must take charge of your own destiny.'
Lewis is no doubt that it is the British end of the infamously prolonged negotiations which is sabotaging the heavyweight fight of the decade.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/box...nox-Lewis.html
Lewis is a fellow Brit, yet he pulls no punches in his criticism of how AJ and team handled the Wilder fight negotiations. Very telling indeed....
No matter who you blame (AJ or Wilder), it's clear that AJ's reputation for taking on all comers took a gigantic hit. If he really wanted Wilder, the deal would've gotten done.
Now in comes Fury and upstages AJ, making AJ look even more like a chump. Fury of course also being a fellow Brit who comes in and says..... "AJ doesn't want any part of this? Hell..... I'll take it."
I don't like Fury too much, but you gotta respect him for that.
Reminiscent of how Tyson suddenly got a shot at Klitchscko and beat the odds, he could do it again.
It could end up being as wide in class as Calzaghe vs Lacy.
At the risk of being boring, I repeat Wilder is terminally fucking useless and any of the top ten Euros beat him, if an out of condition Fury does it point doubly proven. Don't kid yourself that this division, or its promoters have anything to do with fair and competitive matchmaking. Its all on the money, Warren will offer a rematch with Fury or Chis in the contract, so nutjob Wilder gets two reasonably big fights, also gets wiped out of the now Euro dominated hierarchy which Hearn/Warren/Sauerland control.
I don’t know what Wilder did to you to make you think so low of him. Did he kidnap your wife and children?Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetdotcom
Ha Ha, I just watched some videos, total hype job in my view, which again is not unusual in this game, remember Gerry Cooney?Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherI don’t know what Wilder did to you to make you think so low of him. Did he kidnap your wife and children?Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetdotcom
Joseph Parker was too. Wilder is driving a harder bargain.Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetdotcomHa Ha, I just watched some videos, total hype job in my view, which again is not unusual in this game, remember Gerry Cooney?Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherI don’t know what Wilder did to you to make you think so low of him. Did he kidnap your wife and children?Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetdotcom
Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetdotcomHa Ha, I just watched some videos, total hype job in my view, which again is not unusual in this game, remember Gerry Cooney?Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherI don’t know what Wilder did to you to make you think so low of him. Did he kidnap your wife and children?Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetdotcom
Fury and AJ are hardly to be mistaken for Larry Holmes. ;)
not really though , is he? I wouldn’t put much kudos in the “fellow Brit “ theory as far as this goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Nationality: UK
Residence: UK
Birthplace: UK
Yeah... I know the whole Canada thing but, I'd rather not argue with BoxRec.