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Re: Who do you think won GGG/Canelo 2?
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Gandalf
Were they evenly matched over 24 rounds though. Granted the chins are both granite, but GGG appeared to win in two different ways according to most observers. Now if it was split 50/50 as to who people think won then fine, it was close, but that hasn't been the case. Every poll has GGG winning both fights. Yet somehow these judges are unable to see it. This suggests that boxing has something seriously wrong with it.
I can see how some rounds are close based on what you are looking at/for, but when GGG is unable to ever get the nod. Ever. It suggests that judging is no different to fake news. Everyone knows what they saw.
I suppose what I was trying to get across was how much closer Canelo was to GGG over 24 rounds than every other one of GGGs opponents, with the obvious exception of Jacobs. For me GGG did enough over both fights to be two nill in the series, 0-1-1 is a bad joke really. I personally preferred the volume unless trumped by more significant strikes and gave it to GGG 116-112. I liked that Canelo held his ground more this time around but it still wasn't enough to win/nick close rounds in my opinion.
The fact that there wasn't an Adalaide Byrd style scorecard last night with help some legitimise the overall scoring, however giving Canelo the last round and therefore the win even though more subtle was the standout issue for me with the scoring this time around. Will we ever trust Goldenboy and whoever their home fighter is, for me no. If they do it again will the same think happen, almost certainly.
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I had GGG winner by 2 rounds he hurt Canelo in the 10th really buzzed him.
Fair play Canelo was tough GGG had his jab in his face all night.
I can't scream at the discussion it depends on what you like it was a good fight.
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Haven't been on Saddo's for a long time but returned due to the controversy of this fight.
First time around I scored it a draw but this time I think Canelo edged it in a close fight.
The scoring is very subjective and both fight could've gone either way depending on who you give the close rounds to. So I strongly disagree with those crying robbery.
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Could have went either way but GGG is the champion so they should have gave it to him.
BJS must be the next option.
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Is there anyone on earth who's not Mexican or a white hating black bod who thought Canelo won?
Watching it again, with the element of surprise erased and full knowledge of the outcome, Canelo can scrape a draw by the skin of his teeth but he never won. Was it a well contested fight? Yes. But there was only one winner.
Respect to Canelo though - the chin/balls - he was terrific (even though Golovkin has jumped the shark).
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I saw it as a draw or a razor thin win by canelo. First half he did the stalking and landed good body shots. second half ggg did better.
I dont know wtf letterman was watching.
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I think a draw is fair. I will be a fan of both fighters (GGG again, Canelo for first time) on the back of that if they now fight the best MWs. No Lemieux waste of time. Charlo, Jacobs, Derevyanchenko, Saunders. Fight these guys and I’m a fan of either.
After what they did last night I could even accept a 3rd but if and only if they then fight the top guys. If GGG fights Canelo then retires I will hate him for eternity. If Canelo goes to Lemieux he can eat a bag of di(k$
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I saw it as a draw or a razor thin win by canelo. First half he did the stalking and landed good body shots. second half ggg did better.
I dont know wtf letterman was watching.
Golovkin jab was winning and controlling the first half of the fight even if he was the one moving and not being the aggressor. That seemed to have lost him those rounds on the judges score cards.
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If you have a look at the cards all 3 judges agreed that Canelo was up for the first half of the fight 4-2 for Saul.
They then were split until 10 and 11 which they gave to triple G.
Again they were split on the last round.
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I think a draw is fair. I will be a fan of both fighters (GGG again, Canelo for first time) on the back of that if they now fight the best MWs. No Lemieux waste of time. Charlo, Jacobs, Derevyanchenko, Saunders. Fight these guys and I’m a fan of either.
After what they did last night I could even accept a 3rd but if and only if they then fight the top guys. If GGG fights Canelo then retires I will hate him for eternity. If Canelo goes to Lemieux he can eat a bag of di(k$
Agreed. I just highly doubt either of them will fight one of those middleweights that you mentioned. I will give Canelo much more credit if he beats other middleweights. Canelo “beat” a GGG who is a step slower than normal and styles make fights. I’m still not convinced he beats the other top middleweights but he might “beat” them.
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I was looking for something like this all last night. Thanks for sharing.
What can I say. It was closer than the first fight, which they inexplicably called a draw, so of course they gave it to Canelo.
I've looked back at some scorecards by Dave Moretti on Canelo fights and, although not as corrupt/inept as a CJ Ross or Adelaide Byrd, with Moretti scoring you practically have to kill Canelo to get him to score the other way.
Not in the robbery category maybe, but definitely the wrong decision as evidenced by the almost unanimous consensus by the boxing experts.
Bottom line: Canelo fans thought Canelo won. Boxing fans know GGG won.
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Again, most people are missing the point. It’s not that Canelo couldn’t have won the fight. It was definitely in the realm of possibility to score it for him without it being a robbery. It’s that it’s no fluke that two fights in a row the judges scored much more in favor of Canelo than the fans and media did. It’s clear as day that this was already set up for Canelo to win.
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powerpuncher
Again, most people are missing the point. It’s not that Canelo couldn’t have won the fight. It was definitely in the realm of possibility to score it for him without it being a robbery. It’s that it’s no fluke that two fights in a row the judges scored much more in favor of Canelo than the fans and media did. It’s clear as day that this was already set up for Canelo to win.
This does not bode well for anyone wishing to take on Canelo and try to win. They have to knock him out to win.
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powerpuncher
Again, most people are missing the point. It’s not that Canelo couldn’t have won the fight. It was definitely in the realm of possibility to score it for him without it being a robbery. It’s that it’s no fluke that two fights in a row the judges scored much more in favor of Canelo than the fans and media did. It’s clear as day that this was already set up for Canelo to win.
Precisely. Before the fight, I said “THE FIX IS ON!” That doesn’t mean it was a robbery. All GBP Have to do is get one judge on side to give it to Canelo and one to dither and give it a draw. This way , Canelo can never lose a decision, but more importantly, GGG Can never win one, he can only win by KO or DQ.
If it sufficiently close , then it can be done. Canelo doesn’t have to be the better fighter on the night, just close enough.
I have to qualify this by saying I haven’t watched a second of the fight as I am away. I’ll probably watch it later in the week in peace and quiet and then I’ll be able to say who I think won, although it doesn’t really matter.
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Again, most people are missing the point. It’s not that Canelo couldn’t have won the fight. It was definitely in the realm of possibility to score it for him without it being a robbery. It’s that it’s no fluke that two fights in a row the judges scored much more in favor of Canelo than the fans and media did. It’s clear as day that this was already set up for Canelo to win.
Precisely. Before the fight, I said “THE FIX IS ON!” That doesn’t mean it was a robbery. All GBP Have to do is get one judge on side to give it to Canelo and one to dither and give it a draw. This way , Canelo can never lose a decision, but more importantly, GGG Can never win one, he can only win by KO or DQ.
If it sufficiently close , then it can be done. Canelo doesn’t have to be the better fighter on the night, just close enough.
I have to qualify this by saying I haven’t watched a second of the fight as I am away. I’ll probably watch it later in the week in peace and quiet and then I’ll be able to say who I think won, although it doesn’t really matter.
@Primo Carnera tell you what mate, watch the fight and enjoy it for what it is, regardless of the questionable outcome it was a fucking cracking scrap.
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Again, most people are missing the point. It’s not that Canelo couldn’t have won the fight. It was definitely in the realm of possibility to score it for him without it being a robbery. It’s that it’s no fluke that two fights in a row the judges scored much more in favor of Canelo than the fans and media did. It’s clear as day that this was already set up for Canelo to win.
Precisely. Before the fight, I said “THE FIX IS ON!” That doesn’t mean it was a robbery. All GBP Have to do is get one judge on side to give it to Canelo and one to dither and give it a draw. This way , Canelo can never lose a decision, but more importantly, GGG Can never win one, he can only win by KO or DQ.
If it sufficiently close , then it can be done. Canelo doesn’t have to be the better fighter on the night, just close enough.
I have to qualify this by saying I haven’t watched a second of the fight as I am away. I’ll probably watch it later in the week in peace and quiet and then I’ll be able to say who I think won, although it doesn’t really matter.
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Primo Carnera tell you what mate, watch the fight and enjoy it for what it is, regardless of the questionable outcome it was a fucking cracking scrap.
Oh I’ll be doing exactly that mate . I’m just a bit pissed off with both of these and how they’ve held the division to ransom.
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Re: Who do you think won GGG/Canelo 2?
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Canelo he out GGG'd GGG . He came foward and it was a role reversal GGG ran. Canelo made a puncher box . GGG should have went.to the body like his stolen fake moniker Mexican Style. Abel was vague and.stupid as usual.
I agree that GGG was again absent when it came to the body. However, unlike Canelo in the first fight who was on the back foot, GGG was doing it in the center of the ring and was landing the jab again and again as well as noticeable uppercuts. That was the big difference. GGG hardly ran, he boxed. Canelo did run in that first fight, but count me the number of times GGG went to the ropes. He didn't at all. He was in the middle outlanding his opponent. He outlanded Alvarez by about 30 punches overall. GGG also came on strong hurting Canelo a number of times.
GGG WON IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT THIS AS A SLAP FIGHT. You ask your opponent in the lead up to not run then slap and run yourself. GGG is the one at fault for throwing a curve to the judges. The style he opted to fight swung the judges to think Canelo dictated the fight. Even Abel is throwing GGG under the bus saying he wanted him to fight and he opted to box. It was a good competitive fight but it was obvious if GGG opts to fight next time he is the one who will gas out. The man was dying in his corner at the end of each round from the middle rounds on.
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Re: Who do you think won GGG/Canelo 2?
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Addicted to_boxing
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Canelo he out GGG'd GGG . He came foward and it was a role reversal GGG ran. Canelo made a puncher box . GGG should have went.to the body like his stolen fake moniker Mexican Style. Abel was vague and.stupid as usual.
I agree that GGG was again absent when it came to the body. However, unlike Canelo in the first fight who was on the back foot, GGG was doing it in the center of the ring and was landing the jab again and again as well as noticeable uppercuts. That was the big difference. GGG hardly ran, he boxed. Canelo did run in that first fight, but count me the number of times GGG went to the ropes. He didn't at all. He was in the middle outlanding his opponent. He outlanded Alvarez by about 30 punches overall. GGG also came on strong hurting Canelo a number of times.
GGG WON IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT THIS AS A SLAP FIGHT. You ask your opponent in the lead up to not run then slap and run yourself. GGG is the one at fault for throwing a curve to the judges. The style he opted to fight swung the judges to think Canelo dictated the fight. Even Abel is throwing GGG under the bus saying he wanted him to fight and he opted to box. It was a good competitive fight but it was obvious if GGG opts to fight next time he is the one who will gas out. The man was dying in his corner at the end of each round from the middle rounds on.
Golovkin was winning the fight on the outside with the ramrod jab of his. If the fight was anywhere else Golovkin gets the decision. However you are right the judges all had Canelo 4-2 up after 6 rounds.
It was a good fight.
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Re: Who do you think won GGG/Canelo 2?
The always popular david haye and amir khan think alvarez won... I always said they are smart guys. :S
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The always popular david haye and amir khan think alvarez won... I always said they are smart guys. :S
I always thought you were but you must have drank too much last night.
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Media scores for GGG-Canelo II
Harold Lederman (HBO Sports): 116-112 Golovkin
Brian Campbell (CBS sports): 116-112 Golovkin
Dan Rafael (ESPN): 114-114 draw
Salvador Rodríguez (ESPN Mexico): 114-114 draw
Gareth A Davies (The Telegraph): 116-112 Golovkin
Josh Peter (USA Today): 115-113 Golovkin
Sports Illustrated: 114-114 draw
Dylan Hernandez (LA Times): 115-113 Golovkin
Lance Pugmire (La Times): 114-114 draw
Box Scene: 114-114 draw
Chris Mannix (Yahoo! Sports): 115-113 Golovkin
Kevin Iole (Yahoo! Sports): 114-114 draw
The Guardian: 116-112 Golovkin
Joe DePaolo (Washington Post): 115-113 Golovkin
Mike Coppinger (Ring Magazine): 114-114 draw
Sherdog: 116-112 Golovkin
Jai Bednall (news.com.au): 115-113 Golovkin
Brian Mazique (Forbes): 114-114 draw
Adam Abramowitz (Ring Magazine and SN Boxing): 115-113 Golovkin
Tom Craze (Bad Left Hook): 116-112 Golovkin
Fraser Coffeen (Bloody Elbow): 115-113 Golovkin
The Associated Press: 114-114 draw
Bill Simmons (HBO and The Ringer): 114-114 draw
Steven Muehlhausen (Sporting News): 116-112 Golovkin
Michael Montero (MonteroOnBoxing): 115-113 Golovkin
Matt Christie (Boxing News): 115-114 Golovkin
George Willis (New York Post): 114-114 draw
Below The Belt Podcast: 115-113 Golovkin
World Boxing News: 115-113 Golovkin
Jeff Powell (Daily Mail): 116-113 Golovkin
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Re: Who do you think won GGG/Canelo 2?
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Primo Carnera
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Primo Carnera
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powerpuncher
Again, most people are missing the point. It’s not that Canelo couldn’t have won the fight. It was definitely in the realm of possibility to score it for him without it being a robbery. It’s that it’s no fluke that two fights in a row the judges scored much more in favor of Canelo than the fans and media did. It’s clear as day that this was already set up for Canelo to win.
Precisely. Before the fight, I said “THE FIX IS ON!” That doesn’t mean it was a robbery. All GBP Have to do is get one judge on side to give it to Canelo and one to dither and give it a draw. This way , Canelo can never lose a decision, but more importantly, GGG Can never win one, he can only win by KO or DQ.
If it sufficiently close , then it can be done. Canelo doesn’t have to be the better fighter on the night, just close enough.
I have to qualify this by saying I haven’t watched a second of the fight as I am away. I’ll probably watch it later in the week in peace and quiet and then I’ll be able to say who I think won, although it doesn’t really matter.
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Primo Carnera tell you what mate, watch the fight and enjoy it for what it is, regardless of the questionable outcome it was a fucking cracking scrap.
Oh I’ll be doing exactly that mate . I’m just a bit pissed off with both of these and how they’ve held the division to ransom.
That’s where I was but they won me over last night. Anyone crying robbery is biased or ignorant. There was about 6 swing rounds
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Gandalf
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Canelo he out GGG'd GGG . He came foward and it was a role reversal GGG ran. Canelo made a puncher box . GGG should have went.to the body like his stolen fake moniker Mexican Style. Abel was vague and.stupid as usual.
I agree that GGG was again absent when it came to the body. However, unlike Canelo in the first fight who was on the back foot, GGG was doing it in the center of the ring and was landing the jab again and again as well as noticeable uppercuts. That was the big difference. GGG hardly ran, he boxed. Canelo did run in that first fight, but count me the number of times GGG went to the ropes. He didn't at all. He was in the middle outlanding his opponent. He outlanded Alvarez by about 30 punches overall. GGG also came on strong hurting Canelo a number of times.
GGG WON IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT THIS AS A SLAP FIGHT. You ask your opponent in the lead up to not run then slap and run yourself. GGG is the one at fault for throwing a curve to the judges. The style he opted to fight swung the judges to think Canelo dictated the fight. Even Abel is throwing GGG under the bus saying he wanted him to fight and he opted to box. It was a good competitive fight but it was obvious if GGG opts to fight next time he is the one who will gas out. The man was dying in his corner at the end of each round from the middle rounds on.
Golovkin was winning the fight on the outside with the ramrod jab of his. If the fight was anywhere else Golovkin gets the decision. However you are right the judges all had Canelo 4-2 up after 6 rounds.
It was a good fight.
That part they got right. Canelo looked like he was going to stop GGG until he gassed in the 8th. Of course Canelo would gas, he always has. But it was shocking to see GGG staggering around in 6,7, early 8 from what he took early. While you were fawning over GGGs jab Canelo was brutalizing him to the body.
But Canelo couldn’t maintain and GGG found that something special inside himself to take the momentum.
Canelo is a better fighter than I ever gave him credit for and GGG showed he’s not just a bully, he won’t fold for nothing.
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Freedom
The 70% in the Fightnews poll matches the 70% on this thread poll.
Plus none of the sportswriters you mentioned voted for Canelo............. NONE.
No, it was not a robbery 'cause it was close. But the decision had already been mailed in. Announcing it was merely a formality.
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Master
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Canelo he out GGG'd GGG . He came foward and it was a role reversal GGG ran. Canelo made a puncher box . GGG should have went.to the body like his stolen fake moniker Mexican Style. Abel was vague and.stupid as usual.
I agree that GGG was again absent when it came to the body. However, unlike Canelo in the first fight who was on the back foot, GGG was doing it in the center of the ring and was landing the jab again and again as well as noticeable uppercuts. That was the big difference. GGG hardly ran, he boxed. Canelo did run in that first fight, but count me the number of times GGG went to the ropes. He didn't at all. He was in the middle outlanding his opponent. He outlanded Alvarez by about 30 punches overall. GGG also came on strong hurting Canelo a number of times.
GGG WON IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT THIS AS A SLAP FIGHT. You ask your opponent in the lead up to not run then slap and run yourself. GGG is the one at fault for throwing a curve to the judges. The style he opted to fight swung the judges to think Canelo dictated the fight. Even Abel is throwing GGG under the bus saying he wanted him to fight and he opted to box. It was a good competitive fight but it was obvious if GGG opts to fight next time he is the one who will gas out. The man was dying in his corner at the end of each round from the middle rounds on.
Golovkin was winning the fight on the outside with the ramrod jab of his. If the fight was anywhere else Golovkin gets the decision. However you are right the judges all had Canelo 4-2 up after 6 rounds.
It was a good fight.
That part they got right. Canelo looked like he was going to stop GGG until he gassed in the 8th. Of course Canelo would gas, he always has. But it was shocking to see GGG staggering around in 6,7, early 8 from what he took early. While you were fawning over GGGs jab Canelo was brutalizing him to the body.
But Canelo couldn’t maintain and GGG found that something special inside himself to take the momentum.
Canelo is a better fighter than I ever gave him credit for and GGG showed he’s not just a bully, he won’t fold for nothing.
Jab also brutalised Canelo's face.
So it seems the early rounds, the first 6, were key to this fight. I thought Golovkin was controlling the fight and winning the majority of the first half of the fight.
Other posters saw it as a negative and favoured Canelo's aggression.
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Canelo he out GGG'd GGG . He came foward and it was a role reversal GGG ran. Canelo made a puncher box . GGG should have went.to the body like his stolen fake moniker Mexican Style. Abel was vague and.stupid as usual.
I agree that GGG was again absent when it came to the body. However, unlike Canelo in the first fight who was on the back foot, GGG was doing it in the center of the ring and was landing the jab again and again as well as noticeable uppercuts. That was the big difference. GGG hardly ran, he boxed. Canelo did run in that first fight, but count me the number of times GGG went to the ropes. He didn't at all. He was in the middle outlanding his opponent. He outlanded Alvarez by about 30 punches overall. GGG also came on strong hurting Canelo a number of times.
GGG WON IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT THIS AS A SLAP FIGHT. You ask your opponent in the lead up to not run then slap and run yourself. GGG is the one at fault for throwing a curve to the judges. The style he opted to fight swung the judges to think Canelo dictated the fight. Even Abel is throwing GGG under the bus saying he wanted him to fight and he opted to box. It was a good competitive fight but it was obvious if GGG opts to fight next time he is the one who will gas out. The man was dying in his corner at the end of each round from the middle rounds on.
Golovkin was winning the fight on the outside with the ramrod jab of his. If the fight was anywhere else Golovkin gets the decision. However you are right the judges all had Canelo 4-2 up after 6 rounds.
It was a good fight.
That part they got right. Canelo looked like he was going to stop GGG until he gassed in the 8th. Of course Canelo would gas, he always has. But it was shocking to see GGG staggering around in 6,7, early 8 from what he took early. While you were fawning over GGGs jab Canelo was brutalizing him to the body.
But Canelo couldn’t maintain and GGG found that something special inside himself to take the momentum.
Canelo is a better fighter than I ever gave him credit for and GGG showed he’s not just a bully, he won’t fold for nothing.
Jab also brutalised Canelo's face.
So it seems the early rounds, the first 6, were key to this fight. I thought Golovkin was controlling the fight and winning the majority of the first half of the fight.
Other posters saw it as a negative and favoured Canelo's aggression.
There’s a reason GGG was staggering around 6, 7 and early 8 before Canelo hit the wall. It was the body work that controlled the early portion.
Again, much respect to GGG for withstanding that and showing the will to recover. Because he looked like he had no chance at finishing the fight.
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I think it would have been better for Canelo to lose. It’s another decision that drew our attentions away from what Canelo did. He was impressive and showed a granite chin. If he would have lost the decision I think that we all could have just respected both fighters and their teams.
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One thing i noticed with this bout is the distance the ref kept during the whole fight..
Its almost like he is not there. He left them both to it. Which was a good thing.
So thumbs up for the ref.
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Alvarez won. It was close. But it was clear. If you want to pretend like body shots don't count or just don't like Alvarez than I can see the thinking Golovkin won
Real talk. Good seeing the truth being spouted here by VD all these years later.
Canelo won this fight in the 12th for me. I have only watched once but thought he won five of the first six rounds and won the last.
Overall he was just landing much cleaner punches, was the ring general and I think his body punching has been the different in both fights.
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I think it fairly safe to say that there is pretty much a consensus on the way people saw the fight. 70% of the fans saw another GGG victory and it appears the boxing press saw a similar story. However, 0% of the judges were able to even cede a 33.3% possibility that GGG might well have won. That's pretty revealing about where boxing is at and this is not the first time people have questioned Golden Boy, Nevada or the officiating for their fights.
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20% of the forum saw a Canelo win. 20%. :)
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It is turning a bit like the Pac/Marquez saga. Canelo is the younger speedier guy and GGG is the older fighter with the better experience and ramrod jab. Will it take fight number 4 to yell timber?
Surely it is time judges were held accountable for their decisions. Harold Lederman bless him is able to talk people through what he is seeing, but these official judges are anonymous and answer to nobody. In my profession evaluation is a very serious process and I am held accountable every step of the way. Boxing by contrast really seems so slippery and loose and considering the average American is paying 90 dollars to watch a fight and they disagree with the decision 70% of the time, certainly in fights like this, surely something has to change.
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Dudes I was too pissed last night to talk about it but I ordered the fight and couldn’t watch it. My cable provider said there was an issue with the transmission from the source. About ten minutes prior to the main event the signal cut out again and that was it. I spent three hours on the phone trying to sort the whole thing out. Piece of shit, they said it happened all over the country. I don’t know if it was due to demand or if it was a plan to piss me off
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Walrus this is potentially very serious. Did you watch the fight on replay? You voted Canelo. This could mean Canelo has even less support. I demand an investigation.
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Gandalf
Walrus this is potentially very serious. Did you watch the fight on replay? You voted Canelo. This could mean Canelo has even less support. I demand an investigation.
Oh shit didn’t mean to do the poll yet so subtract mine. Didn’t watch the fight yet. I watch them on allthebestfights.com and they didn’t have it yet. Should be on it by now but I’m working. I took a night off just for the fight so I wasted my paid personal time as well. I was so pissed I can’t explain it. I may need therapy. Definitely didn’t mean to vote yet. I followed the play by play u guys put up and I have no doubt the majority are wrong. Please forgive me @Gandalf
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Re: Who do you think won GGG/Canelo 2?
Forgive him.
He was only doing what the judges do with Canelo fights. They don't really have to see the fight to vote for Canelo.
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Re: Who do you think won GGG/Canelo 2?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comm...scorecards/
This is pretty telling on who should have won the fight
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Re: Who do you think won GGG/Canelo 2?
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Originally Posted by
powerpuncher
34 media for GGG, 2 for Canelo, 15 draw.
Average fan score collected was 116-113 GGG
So let’s look at it this way. Let’s imagine these were the scores of everybody. So they put all of the scores in a hat and picked them out. You are saying that by some crazy chance that you pulled BOTH of the cards scored for Canelo and one of the draw cards. That is crazy!
