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Originally Posted by Fenster
I read this is Wilders first PPV fight as a headliner?
Not sure if that's true but it's pretty shocking given the amount of fights he's had.
For an undefeated Heavyweight Champ he's making peanuts too.
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Originally Posted by Fenster
I read this is Wilders first PPV fight as a headliner?
Not sure if that's true but it's pretty shocking given the amount of fights he's had.
For an undefeated Heavyweight Champ he's making peanuts too.
Yeah this is Wilder's first PPV, and last if he loses.
He made $2 million for his last fight, personally I wouldn't regard that as "peanuts," nor would 95% of current registered pro-boxers, however, compared to Joshua's paydays it's peanuts, and I guess Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield and Wlad before that. But not having their fanbase/dough is not the only thing he doesn't have in common.
Good decent promoters would've gotten a LOT more mileage out of Wilder by now.
Dillian Whyte is now making the same if not more than Wilder.
Whyte got around £1.3 million for the Parker fight.
Wilder is being mugged right off
That 1.1-1.2 million was going against HBO and a UFC PPV as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
People just don’t seem to want to acknowledge that TV is where the money is, not gate. If Wilder/Fury does 500k at 70-90$ that is 35 to 45 million generated. Put another 8-10 from gate and they’ve made huge money.
What you’ve (the boxer) made is irrelevant to what you currently make. Floyd only made 1 million for a long time, then he made 20, then 40, then 200 over time. It didn’t matter that he only made 1 earlier. If Wilder walks away with an exciting win that generates him 20 million AND raises his profile AJs offer will need to be GREATER than 20 million. This is why Eddie is saying negotiations need to be done BEFORE Dec 1st.(huge roadblock) If they go to the table after Dec 1st it’s with completely different numbers.
Let’s just hope for a good fight December 1st that leads to a good fight in April. Fury is completely capable of stinking the place out with his size, movement and compared to Wilder, skill.
It's going to be a sloppy dirty fight fight with more clinches than you can imagine and a lot of rabbit punches and wrestling and throwing each other to the ground
At a risk of feeling like Groundhog Day, if Wilder’s stock will be so high, of course Wilder and his team can offer TEAM AJ can’t they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonThat 1.1-1.2 million was going against HBO and a UFC PPV as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
People just don’t seem to want to acknowledge that TV is where the money is, not gate. If Wilder/Fury does 500k at 70-90$ that is 35 to 45 million generated. Put another 8-10 from gate and they’ve made huge money.
What you’ve (the boxer) made is irrelevant to what you currently make. Floyd only made 1 million for a long time, then he made 20, then 40, then 200 over time. It didn’t matter that he only made 1 earlier. If Wilder walks away with an exciting win that generates him 20 million AND raises his profile AJs offer will need to be GREATER than 20 million. This is why Eddie is saying negotiations need to be done BEFORE Dec 1st.(huge roadblock) If they go to the table after Dec 1st it’s with completely different numbers.
Let’s just hope for a good fight December 1st that leads to a good fight in April. Fury is completely capable of stinking the place out with his size, movement and compared to Wilder, skill.
Btw, with reference to your “it’s not where you start it’s where you finish” theory, what would you prefer?
EXAMPLE A
5 fights as follows :
10 Million
15 Million
20 Million
20 Million
30 Million
Or EXAMPLE B.
1 Million
1 Million
2 Million
20 Million
30 Million
It’s ok, i’ll wait.
Obviously the first. But it has ABSOLUTELY NO BARING on negotiations for his next fight. This is 2 people acknowledging the FACT that Wilder gets great TV ratings. And then you trying to switch the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraAt a risk of feeling like Groundhog Day, if Wilder’s stock will be so high, of course Wilder and his team can offer TEAM AJ can’t they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonThat 1.1-1.2 million was going against HBO and a UFC PPV as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
People just don’t seem to want to acknowledge that TV is where the money is, not gate. If Wilder/Fury does 500k at 70-90$ that is 35 to 45 million generated. Put another 8-10 from gate and they’ve made huge money.
What you’ve (the boxer) made is irrelevant to what you currently make. Floyd only made 1 million for a long time, then he made 20, then 40, then 200 over time. It didn’t matter that he only made 1 earlier. If Wilder walks away with an exciting win that generates him 20 million AND raises his profile AJs offer will need to be GREATER than 20 million. This is why Eddie is saying negotiations need to be done BEFORE Dec 1st.(huge roadblock) If they go to the table after Dec 1st it’s with completely different numbers.
Let’s just hope for a good fight December 1st that leads to a good fight in April. Fury is completely capable of stinking the place out with his size, movement and compared to Wilder, skill.
Btw, with reference to your “it’s not where you start it’s where you finish” theory, what would you prefer?
EXAMPLE A
5 fights as follows :
10 Million
15 Million
20 Million
20 Million
30 Million
Or EXAMPLE B.
1 Million
1 Million
2 Million
20 Million
30 Million
It’s ok, i’ll wait.
And your other point is equally irrelevant. It doesn’t matter what Wilder offers AJ, that’s already proven since Wilder already made a more than fair offer. What matters is that AJ comes back with a fair offer, which he has yet to do.
Any other irrelevant things you want to talk about?
I am sure AJ overpaid Charles Martin to fight for the belt but he took the risk because the reward was high. He should bite the bullet and do the same against Wilder because the reward as the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world will be worth the money in the long run.
"ABSOLUTELY NO BARING (sic)" of course it has a fucking BEARING! you said yourself that Floyd wasn't always a $200 million fighter. That's right, but he got there by taking the short end of the stick against people like Oscar, because they were the "A-Side"! I know that's horseshit, but it's the way it is. Floyd had to beat him to then become the "A-Side". it wasn't necessarily about who the best boxer was , it was a historical thing that has to built up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonObviously the first. But it has ABSOLUTELY NO BARING on negotiations for his next fight. This is 2 people acknowledging the FACT that Wilder gets great TV ratings. And then you trying to switch the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraAt a risk of feeling like Groundhog Day, if Wilder’s stock will be so high, of course Wilder and his team can offer TEAM AJ can’t they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonThat 1.1-1.2 million was going against HBO and a UFC PPV as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
People just don’t seem to want to acknowledge that TV is where the money is, not gate. If Wilder/Fury does 500k at 70-90$ that is 35 to 45 million generated. Put another 8-10 from gate and they’ve made huge money.
What you’ve (the boxer) made is irrelevant to what you currently make. Floyd only made 1 million for a long time, then he made 20, then 40, then 200 over time. It didn’t matter that he only made 1 earlier. If Wilder walks away with an exciting win that generates him 20 million AND raises his profile AJs offer will need to be GREATER than 20 million. This is why Eddie is saying negotiations need to be done BEFORE Dec 1st.(huge roadblock) If they go to the table after Dec 1st it’s with completely different numbers.
Let’s just hope for a good fight December 1st that leads to a good fight in April. Fury is completely capable of stinking the place out with his size, movement and compared to Wilder, skill.
Btw, with reference to your “it’s not where you start it’s where you finish” theory, what would you prefer?
EXAMPLE A
5 fights as follows :
10 Million
15 Million
20 Million
20 Million
30 Million
Or EXAMPLE B.
1 Million
1 Million
2 Million
20 Million
30 Million
It’s ok, i’ll wait.
And your other point is equally irrelevant. It doesn’t matter what Wilder offers AJ, that’s already proven since Wilder already made a more than fair offer. What matters is that AJ comes back with a fair offer, which he has yet to do.
Any other irrelevant things you want to talk about?
now Joshua might be a better Boxer than Fury or Wilder, he might not. But Financially , he is the Money. So it obviously has a bearing on future negotiations.
Now Fury and Wilder can fight each other once, twice , ten times, but they are still not close to the Money Joshua earns.
Joshua doesn't have to go to the States as his earnings are massive here for fighting the Takams , Parkers , Povetkins and Whytes of this World. Bigger than anything Fury and Wilder can muster by fighting each other, and they are already playing catch up , because his dough is in the bank already.
I'm not saying that this is right and fair, but it's the way it is.
Finally, you talked about Matchroom's credibility in negotiations , but look at the Amateurish way that this Wilder/Fury business has unfolded. Allegedly , there's a press conference on Monday to "Announce" the date of December 1st.
Firstly , I'll believe it when I see it. Secondly that leaves them a ridiculously short period of time , 2 months to have training camps and marketing what is the biggest fight in both fighter's lives . That cannot benefit anybody surely? and thirdly , they (and you) had the gall to criticize Hearn/Matchroom's behaviour in all of this.
the marketing to date has consisted of :
Frank Warren bleating "It's on" a month ago and "It's 99% done" 3 weeks ago and yet still nothing.
Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury spurting out shit on their phones while driving or lying in bed and posting it on Social Media!!!
bunch of Amateur Clowns, the lot of them.
Whyte just headlined a 400,000 selling PPV at a packed 02. If Wilder is on £1.5 million for non-PPV maybe Whyte is getting mugged off? ;) - (Different markets)Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
That is why you should pay smashup right now and bite the bullet yourself. After you knock him out you will become The Supreme Mod of Saddo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I don't understand why fans debate money in boxing. Personally I think every fight should be 50-50 as both men are always putting their life on the line and doing something for the other guy. I know it sounds commie, but that's how I feel about it. At the top when it is SO MUCH MONEY I find it pathetic that is what it all boils down to. GGG-Canelo should be 50-50. What's the problem? Greedy to say I want more because I have had more money spent on marketing thus more people know me. Just share the pot you drug cheating Prince Harry wannabe.
I agree with Miles here I have not ever one time thought of money when it comes to boxing I mean yes just in passing I might mention that so and so is going to make 20 million but it is the last thing on my mind because this is about the fight itself one mass of testosterone against another. It is about the fight it is about the grit and determination and being a warrior
All you people talking about money why don't you all just go get a job in the bank or something with walrus
Of Course Miles, you're not completely wrong, but we don't live in a ideal World unfortunately. I wouldn't necessarily say 50-50 because there has to be a sport/motivational element , but I would say that each fighter should get 30% of the total purse and the winner get the remaining 40%. But like I said , we don't live in an ideal world , and consequently this is why Communism doesn't work. it's because of the Human race, we're all a bunch of greedy bastards!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
love the last sentence though ! ;D
Except he clearly is completely wrong..... If every fight was 50/50 where is the incentive for anyone to get to a high level, or remain there? I know you’ve said as much yourself in that post, but why precurse it like that? If we weren’t greedy bastards we wouldn’t watch guys beat each other up, period.
Ok so now that the fight is official, can we get back to the WBC and the clean boxing program?
Fury is in their ratings, it's a championship fight.
Has Fury enrolled yet? Or will this just be swept under the carpet?
No 'Fury' fans have bothered to touch on this, each time I have brought it up since Aug.
Do we really care about testing? Or only when a fighter we don't like us involved?
The incentive would be vecause the prize money of 15 million dollars at the top is greater than the 5000 dollars starting out. How far you go depends on how good you get. If a champ wants an easy tune up then make a smaller name rich and lower his own level. If the champ wants a big fight his own purse will automatically go up due to the reputation ofhis opponent and himself. All this 55:45 stuff is gay.
Communism is when we all earn the same for the same work.My theory is not that. Journeymen will be on journeymen wages. Top fighters will be on top wages. It's just that we actually respect all people who end up in there with the top dog. If the top dog wants to stay top then no tune ups or pissing about. The motivation is in winning 10 million plus every time. If that cannot motivate you then go to college and do something else.
Fury will snort Coke between Rds 3 and 4 and ~KNOCKOUT@~ the Atomic windmill
I think you’re well smart enough to realize how dumb what you initially posted was. If not, I’d just implore you to look for some consistency between that and what you just did post. If that escapes you, nobody can help you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Miles is insightful, bright, unique and sprightly. He steps lightly with light feet, as Nietzsche described in Die Gotzendammerung.
How goddam dare you question his sensibilities.
The same way I’d question whether you have a full head of hair, you fumbling twit.
Like fuck I do you doppelganging oyster!Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Were you trying to cement my argument, or was that an accident?
You are a big bowl of seafood and that includes oysters and scallops and things like muscles and other shellfish. It was no accident that I have called you out on your fishiness. In this thread right here you have shown posts which are loaded with salt and foam and one could say the high seas. Quite how Gandalf would be able to respond to your clammy kind of comment remains to be seen but one thing I can tell you is to get the tartar sauce and a few slices of lemon. Oh hey there Ahoy there starboard side starboard side.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
You are a bowl of ass burgers.
Wlad would enjoy this exchange.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGHyN3tj35Q
First press conference is today at BT Headquarters in London then off to New York for the second one then LA for the third.
Furys been chatting shit on Twitter saying he wants a 4 round war with Wilder ( sure Wilder will believe that) 🤔
Is there much of a buzz about this in the US yet, is it hitting the sports news on tv or in the papers much?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.t...rier-bout/amp/
What is wrong with my logic p4p? Please explain. I think rich people squabbling over money is pathetic and that is where I stand on that. If one man is getting hit in the head a lot more than the other man then maybe he deserves more considering the long term consequences. But I am fair at 50:50. I don't demand Communism but simply that at each step of the way every opponent means something to your career and you should be compensated accordingly as should the other guy. Is it really so bad to just say 'Fury here is 50% and Wilder here is 50%'? What is a penny to a man with 20 pounds in his pocket? It's greed and against the way of Jesus. All these fighters thanking God after the fight never consider God at the negotiating table. Hypocrites. I throw down the the tables of the money lenders.
I am a fair man P4P. I challenge you to a duel at a CW of 165 pounds and the prize is 10 bottles of JD each even though I have more disciples. When I beat your drunken bum after 4 rounds (that is my limit due to age) in which I use my reach to jab your nose off I will thank Richard Dawkins at the end and give you my 10 bottles of JD because you need it more than me.
I am not a greedy man. I just want the same prize money in case I lose in which case I will probably need the 10 bottles.
err... wrong thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
It is a rather strange post. I'm just saying rich people arguing about money is not very noble.
Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder LIVE: Watch press conference video stream ahead of world title fight
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-a8562881.html
The press conference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJdEwBzZamA
Just a shorter clip from the above video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXgRkTIPi20
I reckon Fury could end up getting inside Wilders head in the build up to this, much like he did with Klit
Miles, in true form, ~NAILED~ it, and nailed it good. Rich people IN GENERAL are nauseating, but rich people ~ARGUING ABOUT MONEY~ is exponentially more gut-turning.
FFS, this isn't rocket science. No need for the contrariness.
Fury to Wilder .... " I'm gonna make you fuck yourself "
😂😂😂
Wtf, no he didn't!!!!?? Hahahaha
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Originally Posted by Batman
I don't think he'll get into Wilder's head like he did Klitschko's. That was pathetic on Wlad's part. He lost the fight before he ever got in the ring.
Fury can get into anyone's head I feel, he's fucking psychotic/does a fantastic job pretending. He will get Wilder so angry, the Windmill will swing so hard he'll fall down.
Fury KO 8
I don't buy into that for a minute. He lost the fight because he was in against a bigger man that can stick and move for 12 rounds. Wlad had just never faced that before and as an old man didn't have the legs or will to force anything. Joshua on the other hand was right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Batman
I don't think he'll get into Wilder's head like he did Klitschko's. That was pathetic on Wlad's part. He lost the fight before he ever got in the ring.