Wilder vs Fury: Who wins and how?

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I don't see how Wilder wins unless his equalizer lands.

Wilder goes 12 with Stiverne - a decent performance albeit against a fat human statue / subesquently Stiverne gets even fatter and more static.
Molina - gets wobbled and outboxed at times in 9 rounds / subsequently Molina is stopped with ease by AJ and Breazeale.
Duhaupas - takes 11 rounds to get rid of a man subsequently knocked unconcious by Povetkin and schooled by Fat baby.
Szpilka - gets outboxed at times in 9 rounds / subsequently Szpilka is knocked unconcious by Kownaki and struggled with Wach.
Washington - gets outboxed until 5th round KO / subsequently Washington is stopped by Fat Baby.
Ortiz - comes back by the skin of his teeth after the geriatric's zimmer frame buckled in 10 rounds.

If these men - who have done nothing to boost the form - can navigate their way into the later stages and even have success then why wont Fury? He's an expert at using his own superior range/size, slowing fights down and hasn't taken a shot since Cunningham almost decapitated him with a run up and overarm bowl. Jab, jab, jab, switch, turn, switch, jab, clown, Wilder will spend all night with a cocked right hand with nowhere to go.

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If Fury goes back to his form from 4 years ago then sure. The problem is that boxing is very tough if you aren’t mentally stable. I don’t think that Fury will last until the second half of the fight.

And the one thing all of those fights have in common is that Wilder eventually got to all of them. Other than the first Stiverne fight.

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I don't buy all that mental (depression) stuff with Fury, he was out the ring for two years to avoid getting fingered for PEDs, he's always been a wild man outside of training. He just needs the right people around him to get him fit and focused.

I wouldn't be surprised if Wilder sparks him out, however, think it's more likely Fury proves too savvy.

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I agree with the mental illness BS, but he was coking it up and was extremely overweight during that time, that can put a lot of years on your body.

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Forgot about the coke. I just don’t think that Fury is what he used to be. Also, I was never that high on him before. I would just be surprised to see Fury completely outbox Wilder at this time in their careers.

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It definitely took some sort of toll on him, we just don't know how much yet.

Fury could win by KO but you have to be realistic and look at what previous opponents Fury has actually knocked out.

Fury beat Wlad and that is the name that puts him head and shoulders above anyone else.

Wilder never looks out of shape at any point and has to be the favourite going into this as he wants this more than anything else.

If Fury Looses what will become of him after that? do you think he has what it takes to climb back up to a chance at the number 1 spot?

Or does he call it quits?

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Originally Posted by KickMuck

If Fury Looses what will become of him after that? do you think he has what it takes to climb back up to a chance at the number 1 spot?

Or does he call it quits?

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I think he will fall off the rails, wagon and bike.

This interests me a lot , fury fiddled his way to the title beating a gun shy Wlad.
It will be interesting to see if fury can walk the walk after much talking the talk , as for Wilder the champ he boxes like a drunken giraffe carrying sticks of dynamite .
So it will be for the most part an edge of the seater with any luck.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

This interests me a lot , fury fiddled his way to the title beating a gun shy Wlad.
It will be interesting to see if fury can walk the walk after much talking the talk , as for Wilder the champ he boxes like a drunken giraffe carrying sticks of dynamite .
So it will be for the most part an edge of the seater with any luck.

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It definitely is an intriguing contest and with Wilder's punch power you can not take your eyes off the fight.

Will Fury be able to outbox Wilder for 12 rounds after being out of action for so long ?

All the ingredients for a must watch fight.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

This interests me a lot , fury fiddled his way to the title beating a gun shy Wlad.
It will be interesting to see if fury can walk the walk after much talking the talk , as for Wilder the champ he boxes like a drunken giraffe carrying sticks of dynamite .
So it will be for the most part an edge of the seater with any luck.

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That is the best description I've heard so far for Wilder.

I’ve voted finally - Fury by ud.

I’m a fan and will be nervous for him but I just hope he’s got back - or as near as he can - to the Fury that beat Wlad.

90% of that Fury will be enough to frustrate and outpoint Wilder.

I'll be rooting for Fury, but he's up against it.

Wilder will have home country advantage. The referee (possibly Jack Reiss, who is America's Ian John-Lewis) and the judges will be on his side, especially since he's co-managed by Al Haymon. Fury cannot win a decision unless he completely dominates, and after his long layoff and serious personal problems, he will not be back to his best.

Because of the massive weight gain followed by a massive weight loss, Fury will be weakened, much like Jim Jeffries was when he fought Jack Johnson. People who go on crash diets lose muscle along with the fat, and it takes months and plenty of exercise before their full strength returns. So I don't think Fury is strong enough to knock out Wilder, but I do hope I'm wrong.

My prediction:

1) There about a 75% chance Wilder will KO Fury, probably in the later rounds but possibly early.
2) There is about a 25% chance that Fury lasts the distance and outboxes Wilder, but not by a wide enough margin to win with Wilder and Haymon's home judges. Wilder will win by gift decision.
3) There is close to a ZERO chance of Fury winning by KO/TKO, because he's not strong enough yet and because the American referee will protect Wilder (especially if it's the notoriously dodgy Jack Reiss).

I am supporting Wilder and hope he can produce a spectacular KO and then move on to Joshua having made a statement and with the momentum being all his own following Ortiz and Fury. It's a pick 'em fight though isn't it? Fury has the potential to spoil, frustrate and win rounds, but Wilder has the potential to hurt Fury and have him gun shy or else knock him out cold. Wilder needs to watch his legs though as he has been getting them tangled up too much and Fury needs to watch his own as he has looked a bit awkward on them at times in this comeback.

Wilder KO or Fury decision.

Ive gone with Fury UD. There are concerns over Fury's fitness going in and they are valid. Inactivity, no real tests in his comeback, rapid weight loss. For me the physical side of things with Fury is something of a moot point. It's all in his head. When he's half arsed he looks a bit useless, see Cunningham, McDermott, Del Boy 1. When he straps it on he looks different gear, see Wlad, Del Boy 2. On song, His movement belies his size and excess baggage that might suggest a lack of fitness. Drivel spews from the Fury gob by the bucket load, but when he says he's a fighting man it's sincere, and I buy it. He's learned his trade but his fighting instinct has always been there.

I wont say Wilder's power is overrated, he can hit no doubt about that, but he averages eight and a bit rounds per fight since winning the title and half of those wins have been trumped by others in better quicker fashion. If he drops the right hand on Fury he'll know about it, I dont doubt that for a second, but it's by no means curtains if it happens. Wilder might get out of the blocks like Colin Jackson, but I doubt it. He was cautious against Ortiz and I expect him to repeat that against Fury. Tyson will have plenty of time to weave his spell and Wilder will never have had to think about something so much.

Interesting :)


Less than a week away, and we're pretty well split on the predictions (14 - Wilder, 10 - Fury, 2 - draw).

Notably, nobody has chosen Wilder by any kind of decision, nor has anyone chosen Fury by early knockout.

Really can't wait for this now - there has always been fights where you just don't know how it's going to go and have valid arguments for either guy winning with any outcome but for me this is one is on a different level.

Roll on Saturday - no doubt I won't be able to get the fight anyway as my BT subscription will cock up

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Originally Posted by Mark TKO

Really can't wait for this now - there has always been fights where you just don't know how it's going to go and have valid arguments for either guy winning with any outcome but for me this is one is on a different level.

Roll on Saturday - no doubt I won't be able to get the fight anyway as my BT subscription will cock up

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Do not worry you can teletext the result the next morning.

should be on page 381

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Interesting :)


Less than a week away, and we're pretty well split on the predictions (14 - Wilder, 10 - Fury, 2 - draw).

Notably, nobody has chosen Wilder by any kind of decision, nor has anyone chosen Fury by early knockout.

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Well those are just based on the stats they've attained as professionals....Wilder COULD beat the absolute shit out of Fury for 12 round straight and Fury COULD catch Wilder clean and drop him with the first punch he throws, but judging from previous fights those are unlikely outcomes.


I want Wilder to win by KO as I think Wilder-Joshua would be the shit, however there's a small part of me who thinks this will be a snoozer that goes the distance and if it's that I don't even give a fuck who wins.



I just for fucking once want a fight that is less about the talking BEFORE the fight and more about what happens between the ropes, AJ-Wlad was like that, both respectful fighters who put on a hell of a show I'm not sure if Wilder and Fury are capable of that.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Interesting :)


Less than a week away, and we're pretty well split on the predictions (14 - Wilder, 10 - Fury, 2 - draw).

Notably, nobody has chosen Wilder by any kind of decision, nor has anyone chosen Fury by early knockout.

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Well those are just based on the stats they've attained as professionals....Wilder COULD beat the absolute shit out of Fury for 12 round straight and Fury COULD catch Wilder clean and drop him with the first punch he throws, but judging from previous fights those are unlikely outcomes.


I want Wilder to win by KO as I think Wilder-Joshua would be the shit, however there's a small part of me who thinks this will be a snoozer that goes the distance and if it's that I don't even give a fuck who wins.



I just for fucking once want a fight that is less about the talking BEFORE the fight and more about what happens between the ropes, AJ-Wlad was like that, both respectful fighters who put on a hell of a show I'm not sure if Wilder and Fury are capable of that.

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Probably not. But then AJ-Wlad was an anomaly. Something that rarely happens nowadays. Didn't Fury-Wlad get prefaced with a bunch of talking nonsense, only to have the fight itself stink to high heaven?
It's all about the talk..... the fight itself is secondary.

I like Wilder. He is gregarious and fun in front of the camera and he always seems to have time for the public.

He showed great character in working multiple shitty jobs to make sure he could care for his disabled daughter. Lots of unmarried fathers would have just fucked off sharpish. He stuck by her.

He was a late late starter as an amateur, so his making the Olympic team and finishing with a bronze medal was a real underdog story.

He has been very carefully matched in the pros, but he has never been in a boring fight, always entertaining and edge of the seat stuff.

His style is somewhere between a praying mantis and (to steal somebody else's quote) 'a drunken giraffe with dynamite in each hand'.

He deserves to be a much bigger name, and if he wins against Fury, he will be.

I also like Fury. Endlessly entertaining, always makes great quotes. There is a sharp mind there too, as he completely outpsyched the experienced Wladimir Klitschko.

Not a late entrant to the sport. He was named at birth after Iron Mike and has been fighting since he was a toddler. He comes from generations of fighting stock.

Another good back story, coming from the most disadvantaged 'ethnic' group in the U.K. Mental health issues and refreshingly honest about it all too.

A surprisingly complete boxer. For a huge man, he is nimble on his feet and technically accomplished. A cagey spoiler, he is a very good technical boxer indeed.

People talk about his lack of power, but when a 6'9" guy hits you with a technically correct punch .... anybody is going to be hurt a lot.

Great matchup.

A huge hitting, rather wild and super aggressive yet vulnerable athlete (a big Nigel Benn?) against a much better technician who is bigger and heavier (a big .Chris Eubank?)

I would usually go for the better technician ..... but the fact Fury has been pretty inactive for 3 years really evens this up.

Fury has never faced anyone remotely like Wilder. Wilder has never faced anyone remotely like Fury.

Bring it on!

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by Mark TKO

Really can't wait for this now - there has always been fights where you just don't know how it's going to go and have valid arguments for either guy winning with any outcome but for me this is one is on a different level.

Roll on Saturday - no doubt I won't be able to get the fight anyway as my BT subscription will cock up

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Do not worry you can teletext the result the next morning.

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I use https://www.allthebestfights.com/category/boxing/ to checkout fights that i have missed the night before.

There are no spoilers anywhere on the page unless Clicked *Spoilers alert*

So if you can avoid the mainstream news and watch this, its just like watching live.

The only give away though, is sometimes you might notice the length of a video so you can tell weather it went the distance or not.

"Expert" Predictions: Deontay Wilder vs. Tyson Fury

Dan Rafael
ESPN.com
Wilder by KO

Nick Parkinson
ESPN UK
Wilder KO 10

Tony Bellew
Former cruiserweight titlist
Wilder by decision

Juan Manuel Marquez
ESPN Deportes/Golpe a Golpe
Wilder by decision

Teddy Atlas
ESPN TV
Wilder by KO

Nigel Collins
ESPN.com
Wilder by KO

Mark Kriegel
ESPN TV
Wilder by TKO 10

Steve Kim
ESPN.com
Fury by decision

Eric Raskin
HBO Boxing
Wilder by decision

Joe Cortez
ESPN Deportes
Wilder by KO8

Charles Moynihan
ESPN Bureau Producer
Wilder by TKO 9

Mike Tyson
Former heavyweight champion
I like Anthony Joshua.

Evander Holyfield
Former heavyweight champion
Wilder KO / Fury PTS

Lennox Lewis
Former heavyweight champion
Wilder Early / Fury Late

George Foreman
Former heavyweight champion
Wilder by decision

Riddick Bowe
Former heavyweight champion
Wilder by KO with ease.

Gerry Cooney
Former heavyweight title contender
Wilder by KO inside 4.

Luis "King Kong" Ortiz
Heavyweight title contender
Wilder by KO

Chris Arreola
Former heavyweight title contender
Wilder to win

Salvador Rodriguez
ESPNdeportes.com
Wilder by decision

Claudia Trejos
ESPNdeportes.com
Wilder by KO early

Bernardo Pilatti
ESPNdeportes.com
Wilder by KO early

Delvin Rodriguez
ESPN Deportes
Wilder by KO

Jorge Eduardo Sanchez
ESPN Deportes
Fury by decision

Pablo Viruega
ESPN Deportes/Noche de Combates
Wilder by TKO

Score: Wilder - 22 / Fury - 2 / Joshua - 1.

Did Fury get his double 'win' vote on that pole. Lewis and Holyfield basically calling duel either way scenarios of all things ;D.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

"Expert" Predictions: Deontay Wilder vs. Tyson Fury

Dan Rafael
ESPN.com
Wilder by KO

Nick Parkinson
ESPN UK
Wilder KO 10

Tony Bellew
Former cruiserweight titlist
Wilder by decision

Juan Manuel Marquez
ESPN Deportes/Golpe a Golpe
Wilder by decision

Teddy Atlas
ESPN TV
Wilder by KO

Nigel Collins
ESPN.com
Wilder by KO

Mark Kriegel
ESPN TV
Wilder by TKO 10

Steve Kim
ESPN.com
Fury by decision

Eric Raskin
HBO Boxing
Wilder by decision

Joe Cortez
ESPN Deportes
Wilder by KO8

Charles Moynihan
ESPN Bureau Producer
Wilder by TKO 9

Mike Tyson
Former heavyweight champion
I like Anthony Joshua.

Evander Holyfield
Former heavyweight champion
Wilder KO / Fury PTS

Lennox Lewis
Former heavyweight champion
Wilder Early / Fury Late

George Foreman
Former heavyweight champion
Wilder by decision

Riddick Bowe
Former heavyweight champion
Wilder by KO with ease.

Gerry Cooney
Former heavyweight title contender
Wilder by KO inside 4.

Luis "King Kong" Ortiz
Heavyweight title contender
Wilder by KO

Chris Arreola
Former heavyweight title contender
Wilder to win

Salvador Rodriguez
ESPNdeportes.com
Wilder by decision

Claudia Trejos
ESPNdeportes.com
Wilder by KO early

Bernardo Pilatti
ESPNdeportes.com
Wilder by KO early

Delvin Rodriguez
ESPN Deportes
Wilder by KO

Jorge Eduardo Sanchez
ESPN Deportes
Fury by decision

Pablo Viruega
ESPN Deportes/Noche de Combates
Wilder by TKO

Score: Wilder - 22 / Fury - 2 / Joshua - 1.

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Seeing all these people picking Wilder makes me want to pick Fury. I'd feel confident about it if he'd had a couple of decent tuneups. Wilder stuggled like hell last time out against a 97 year old who had a bit of boxing ability. If they'd been the same size or close to it Wilder could easily have lost. If Fury is fit and on form Wilder could easily be a mile behind halfway through the fight and can't get into it but I have a feeling he'll do enough to keep it close on the cards. Anything other than a clear Fury win and Wilder will get the decision. That said, fuck it, I'm picking Fury. :)

Bodyshots all the way for Fury to make Wilder quit.

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Originally Posted by sanatogen

Bodyshots all the way for Fury to make Wilder quit.

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Also a lot of leaning on the lighter Wilder to tire him out.

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by sanatogen

Bodyshots all the way for Fury to make Wilder quit.

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Also a lot of leaning on the lighter Wilder to tire him out.

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It better not be a leaning hug fest

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Originally Posted by walrus

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by sanatogen

Bodyshots all the way for Fury to make Wilder quit.

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Also a lot of leaning on the lighter Wilder to tire him out.

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It better not be a leaning hug fest

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It is a tactic that Fury uses well against smaller and lighter fighters.

Isn't that the kind of cheating Wlad used? Now it is a tactic? A great mass of landlocked whale laying on you is now a tactic? My word.

Fury has to turn it into an ugly scuffle. He needs to tie Wilder up, lean on him, maul him and waste time with feints.

He has had no serious ring time in three years, so he needs to buy some time to get back into the groove. Dangerous place to be doing that, and I do think he should have had a couple more fights before shooting for a title.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

"Expert" Predictions: Deontay Wilder vs. Tyson Fury

Dan Rafael
ESPN.com
Wilder by KO

Nick Parkinson
ESPN UK
Wilder KO 10

Tony Bellew
Former cruiserweight titlist
Wilder by decision

Juan Manuel Marquez
ESPN Deportes/Golpe a Golpe
Wilder by decision

Teddy Atlas
ESPN TV
Wilder by KO

Nigel Collins
ESPN.com
Wilder by KO

Mark Kriegel
ESPN TV
Wilder by TKO 10

Steve Kim
ESPN.com
Fury by decision

Eric Raskin
HBO Boxing
Wilder by decision

Joe Cortez
ESPN Deportes
Wilder by KO8

Charles Moynihan
ESPN Bureau Producer
Wilder by TKO 9

Mike Tyson
Former heavyweight champion
I like Anthony Joshua.

Evander Holyfield
Former heavyweight champion
Wilder KO / Fury PTS

Lennox Lewis
Former heavyweight champion
Wilder Early / Fury Late

George Foreman
Former heavyweight champion
Wilder by decision

Riddick Bowe
Former heavyweight champion
Wilder by KO with ease.

Gerry Cooney
Former heavyweight title contender
Wilder by KO inside 4.

Luis "King Kong" Ortiz
Heavyweight title contender
Wilder by KO

Chris Arreola
Former heavyweight title contender
Wilder to win

Salvador Rodriguez
ESPNdeportes.com
Wilder by decision

Claudia Trejos
ESPNdeportes.com
Wilder by KO early

Bernardo Pilatti
ESPNdeportes.com
Wilder by KO early

Delvin Rodriguez
ESPN Deportes
Wilder by KO

Jorge Eduardo Sanchez
ESPN Deportes
Fury by decision

Pablo Viruega
ESPN Deportes/Noche de Combates
Wilder by TKO

Score: Wilder - 22 / Fury - 2 / Joshua - 1.

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Wow thats a lot of support for Wilder. Maybe they see something I don't.
im picking Fury and I think he will make it look easy. I struggle to see Deontay landing a punch on Fury. If he does of course he can change everything but if Wvlad couldn't land I don't think he can.

when I was watching Furys come back fights and remember thinking how bad he looked but styles make fights and Deontay with his wide stance and tendency to telegraph every punch is going to be falling for Furys feints and missing wildly from round 1. The fact he weighs just 15 stone won't help him walk down his 18 stone opponent either and I can even see times where Fury abandons the movement and uses superior infighting to rough up the bronze bomber.

If you rewatch the rounds where guys like zspilka, Washington and Ortiz were outboxing Deontay it's hard to imagine him winning rounds vs Fury. Wilders power got him out of trouble in those fights but even the fat washed up arreola was able to absorb wilders punches flush round after round. I'd be surprised if Deontay won this fight or even wins more than 3 rounds and think on Sunday the news will be how easy Fury made it look. It's foolish to write off a man with Deontays power, I just think his power won't play a part

Wilder KO 1. Fury hasn't fought in a long time. I don't think his heart or head is in this fight.

@p4pking and @Primo Carnera ............... take a bow. ;D