The "Can We Keep it Civil?" Thread

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Originally Posted by Denilson-The-Comeback

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

Too late for ne, Dennis in non white land. However, I will address your points tomorrow.

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OK.

And let's go all the way with this. Don't wimp out. Don't chicken out. Don't make jokes.

Let's go all the way.

Let's unpack this all the way.

And let's see who makes more sense. OK ?

I mean. I pretty much know what your gonna say because I know how you think because I've debated with white supremacist you all my life. But anyway

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By labeling everyone as a white supremacist you have pigeon holed 850,000,000 people. About 11% of the worlds population. You must live in constant fear, they are everywhere

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Those are the PEOPLE, what about.....


https://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2767-White.jpg


Those guys?

Beautiful picture.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by walrus

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Originally Posted by Denilson-The-Comeback

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

Too late for ne, Dennis in non white land. However, I will address your points tomorrow.

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OK.

And let's go all the way with this. Don't wimp out. Don't chicken out. Don't make jokes.

Let's go all the way.

Let's unpack this all the way.

And let's see who makes more sense. OK ?

I mean. I pretty much know what your gonna say because I know how you think because I've debated with white supremacist you all my life. But anyway

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By labeling everyone as a white supremacist you have pigeon holed 850,000,000 people. About 11% of the worlds population. You must live in constant fear, they are everywhere

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Those are the PEOPLE, what about.....


https://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2767-White.jpg


Those guys?

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Damn you even got a white one good job

Firstly Dennis, this response will seem odd as your own was so long that I cannot reply to it with your data included, so i will just number my points and you can follow as you wish.

1. What do I mean by family planning? I mean that if you are looking for a man to father your child you need to choose that man incredibly carefully. That is the power of being a woman. You need to look at income, reliability, ability to work, provide, care, etc. You need to read up on parenting yourself and not just go on the muscle memory of one's own childhood. Think about nutrition, well being, nurture, really make sure you are being the best possible mother you can be. No white person is stopping a black person from choosing a partner carefully or reading a few books and practicing what one learns.

2. 'Let nature run its course' means that those who make bad decisions have to live with that. It also means accepting that not everyone has the capacity to be the best and that applies to ANY race.

3. I do not assume that there are IQ differences, there are IQ differences. Others like Peterson and Harris have observed the same thing and many others have done the research. That is not anything new or surprising unless you live in a lefty bubble.

There are differences between races. Have you ever been to Japan and seen how svelte and small many are? Have you observed the color, eye shape, or size an Asian person with say a Black person. We have evolved differently in different parts of the world over a very long time. Go from the West to the East of Russia and observe how time zone by time zone the people become more and more Asian looking. If penis size, or height can evolve differently, then why not the mind? It even applies to diseases and how likely we are to get them. Thus skin cancer is more me and diabetes more you.

And that is even going by the biological when I am constantly harking back to point 1 which is that I think nurture is damn important and that some groups do it better than others. I do not think Whites are top of the intelligence chain. It is East Asians. Factually so and having lived in East Asia I have seen the difference in nurturing. Kids are raised to be doctors and teachers. Kids are raised learning languages and complex Mathematics as children. Kids are pushed to achieve within the bounds of strong family networks. This occurs even in North America where Asian kids outperform Whites, Latinos, and Blacks. I honestly believe nurturing might have a little bit to do with it, but there is the genetic argument that won't go away. However, I have seen with my own eyes the difference between England and Asia in that regard. Kids in the UK are much more likely to grow up in single parent households outside of wedlock and in pverty that does not work unless the kid has inner resources and resolve.

4. I brought up slavery because that is a commonly held trope and as you agree, we were all slaves in a Feudal system. If you are going to talk about slavery as I see you then do, let's not forget that people were traded. It was black chiefs selling their own people for resources. The White people were wrong to do that, but so were the black Chiefs. At the end of the day though slavery was abolished a very long time ago and nobody thinks it was a good thing. Morals and times were different. We used to burn Protestants alive and publicly hang people. Times do change.

Have you actually studied the history of Ireland in the face of hundreds of years of English land theft, wars and occupation? They were not having a very fun time either whence so many being in America today. If your property is stolen and you are in effect a vagrant, then what are you? Free for what exactly? Life could be awful for anybody in those days.

I agree that things like Jim Crow were morally reprehensible, but what has been just as reprehensible is to encourage the break up of the family from strong families to 77% of kids born outside of wedlock today. That is devastating and to a degree, I would agree with you that White people passed those Poverty laws that have made people fat, lazy, and dependent.

5. I lived with a black person when I was at University and though her experiences were obviously different to mine she was not experiencing any of this persecution you are talking about. She studied hard, came out socializing, worked, nobody was holding her down for being black. You are British right? Surely you realize that Britain is a very tolerant country. I have worked with black PhD holders and there is non of this Denilson style rhetoric. If she was being held down then why would she be in such a good place? It was effort and smarts that got her somewhere. Same with other black people I have known, but my life means I only meet educated black people.

6. That's the thing Dennis, I do not buy into victimhood. Sure, bad things happened in the past to everybody, but we are living today and you are living in a country where the BBC specifically hires non whites. What more do you want? Affirmative action? You have it. Then you have arguments for reparations. From whom to who? And where does that end? Thus I believe in starting with yourself and getting an education, improving yourself, earning some money, saving some money, and building a decent life. It isn't that hard. However, from what I hear about US schools the same patterns exist and the black parents are more likely to be less involved in their education, be encouraged by peers to look down on learning, and thus it all starts from that rather than systemic racism. It starts with good parenting and no not everybody will succeed if there is a genetic component to intelligence, so you do your best with good nurturing and see if that actually has any impact.

7. No, guys like you make excuses for not even trying to improve and just want to wheel out excuses, but not only that. You actively consider the white man your enemy which is truly insidious.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

Firstly Dennis, this response will seem odd as your own was so long that I cannot reply to it with your data included, so i will just number my points and you can follow as you wish.

1. What do I mean by family planning? I mean that if you are looking for a man to father your child you need to choose that man incredibly carefully. That is the power of being a woman. You need to look at income, reliability, ability to work, provide, care, etc. You need to read up on parenting yourself and not just go on the muscle memory of one's own childhood. Think about nutrition, well being, nurture, really make sure you are being the best possible mother you can be. No white person is stopping a black person from choosing a partner carefully or reading a few books and practicing what one learns.

2. 'Let nature run its course' means that those who make bad decisions have to live with that. It also means accepting that not everyone has the capacity to be the best and that applies to ANY race.

3. I do not assume that there are IQ differences, there are IQ differences. Others like Peterson and Harris have observed the same thing and many others have done the research. That is not anything new or surprising unless you live in a lefty bubble.

There are differences between races. Have you ever been to Japan and seen how svelte and small many are? Have you observed the color, eye shape, or size an Asian person with say a Black person. We have evolved differently in different parts of the world over a very long time. Go from the West to the East of Russia and observe how time zone by time zone the people become more and more Asian looking. If penis size, or height can evolve differently, then why not the mind? It even applies to diseases and how likely we are to get them. Thus skin cancer is more me and diabetes more you.

And that is even going by the biological when I am constantly harking back to point 1 which is that I think nurture is damn important and that some groups do it better than others. I do not think Whites are top of the intelligence chain. It is East Asians. Factually so and having lived in East Asia I have seen the difference in nurturing. Kids are raised to be doctors and teachers. Kids are raised learning languages and complex Mathematics as children. Kids are pushed to achieve within the bounds of strong family networks. This occurs even in North America where Asian kids outperform Whites, Latinos, and Blacks. I honestly believe nurturing might have a little bit to do with it, but there is the genetic argument that won't go away. However, I have seen with my own eyes the difference between England and Asia in that regard. Kids in the UK are much more likely to grow up in single parent households outside of wedlock and in pverty that does not work unless the kid has inner resources and resolve.

4. I brought up slavery because that is a commonly held trope and as you agree, we were all slaves in a Feudal system. If you are going to talk about slavery as I see you then do, let's not forget that people were traded. It was black chiefs selling their own people for resources. The White people were wrong to do that, but so were the black Chiefs. At the end of the day though slavery was abolished a very long time ago and nobody thinks it was a good thing. Morals and times were different. We used to burn Protestants alive and publicly hang people. Times do change.

Have you actually studied the history of Ireland in the face of hundreds of years of English land theft, wars and occupation? They were not having a very fun time either whence so many being in America today. If your property is stolen and you are in effect a vagrant, then what are you? Free for what exactly? Life could be awful for anybody in those days.

I agree that things like Jim Crow were morally reprehensible, but what has been just as reprehensible is to encourage the break up of the family from strong families to 77% of kids born outside of wedlock today. That is devastating and to a degree, I would agree with you that White people passed those Poverty laws that have made people fat, lazy, and dependent.

5. I lived with a black person when I was at University and though her experiences were obviously different to mine she was not experiencing any of this persecution you are talking about. She studied hard, came out socializing, worked, nobody was holding her down for being black. You are British right? Surely you realize that Britain is a very tolerant country. I have worked with black PhD holders and there is non of this Denilson style rhetoric. If she was being held down then why would she be in such a good place? It was effort and smarts that got her somewhere. Same with other black people I have known, but my life means I only meet educated black people.

6. That's the thing Dennis, I do not buy into victimhood. Sure, bad things happened in the past to everybody, but we are living today and you are living in a country where the BBC specifically hires non whites. What more do you want? Affirmative action? You have it. Then you have arguments for reparations. From whom to who? And where does that end? Thus I believe in starting with yourself and getting an education, improving yourself, earning some money, saving some money, and building a decent life. It isn't that hard. However, from what I hear about US schools the same patterns exist and the black parents are more likely to be less involved in their education, be encouraged by peers to look down on learning, and thus it all starts from that rather than systemic racism. It starts with good parenting and no not everybody will succeed if there is a genetic component to intelligence, so you do your best with good nurturing and see if that actually has any impact.

7. No, guys like you make excuses for not even trying to improve and just want to wheel out excuses, but not only that. You actively consider the white man your enemy which is truly insidious.

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Big D is consulting his prison papers and with new black panthers to craft his response give him a while they will tell him something good

Just want to know if we're still talking about tigers :-X
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Shit I thought this was the big D thread. Oh well, civility goes to shit again

Same style as before.

1. We call African Americans that because many of them do originally come from Africa. For sure there will be different tribes or ethnic groups within a huge continent like Africa. There have been many tribes within the UK too, but because of evolution those groups have more in common than the tribes of East Asia do. They do not look alike, they tend to differ physically, and it turns out that the brains appear to operate somewhat differently in terms of average intelligence. Is that really such a terrible thing, does it mean people cannot get along despite their differences? It is you casting about language like 'sub species' here and that is incredibly racist. All I say is that research and evidence tells us differentials exist and again and again you are told that there are amazing people in any group. What troubles you so much?

What do you even mean when you say that I 'want races so badly'? Your language sounds emotional and strange. I don't want anything except to know the truth. It doesn't make me emotional to know that the average Japanese person is smarter than the average British person. It is just data, information, a way to understand, and in my view to also LEARN. Some societies do things better than some societies and others do things worse whence my arguments about nurturing, but more on that later.


2. I am glad that you are carrying out research that will help humanity. You have a good heart.

In the battle of IQ differentials you will find a lot of common overlap between Europeans as they have evolved fairly similarly. Most of the people in Northern Europe have evolved slightly differently, but in terms of intelligence the numbers are pretty steady. America is the most interesting case though because it is the same country and still differentials are being produced. Now there has to be a reason why Blacks and Hispanics don't do as well as whites who are in the middle and Asians and Ashkenazi Jews who are way ahead. If IQ tests are a white mans tool, then those Asians must be the supreme shape shifters and if you want to know which Asians do the best generally? The Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, and so on. Again they have a closer historical evolutionary bond than the Celts, Angles, Saxons, Vikings, Romans etc. did or indeed do. They evolved differently as everyone around the world has.

3. Actually I am trying to read through your post, but it is so meandering and convoluted, I am not sure where to go with it at times. Yeah, I guess as a historical Normal probably crossed with some Angle blood, I might not be as smart as many other people in this world and that's nature for you. I would also argue that nurture played a role as I was poor, homeless, nutrient deprived, emotionally deprived etc too, but I guess though my Dad abandoned me, he did leave me with a brain that did work pretty well and that was my get out card. But imagine if I had been nurtured and given nutrients and all those glorious things! The potential! And even then I have done okay, despite some messy hangovers and a bit of surgery here and there.

That's all I really want is to see people raised with love and to fulfill their potential the best that they can and as I argued before that comes with a man and a women displaying a little bit of responsibility and doing things properly. I could rage and impregnate and fill my heart with nihilism, but I realize that it is a road to nowhere. Rap is a genre that particularly promotes nihilism. As does a bunch of friends mocking you for listening to your teacher. As do parents who do not give you the time of day. That's where I start with all of this. Once you work on nurture, then you can think about nature a little bit later on, but you should never ignore facts.

4. No, you are not inferior at all and you should stop talking like that. That you are engaging and doing it pretty civilly, unlike someone else who cannot do that, and that is cool. I feel no superiority over you in the slightest. We are all just different and as individuals most of all, but there are many overlaps as we are just human and not 'sub species'.

5. You brought up Obama there and I think he is a solid man in terms of how he carried himself in some ways. He was also a war criminal who did very little to encourage black self responsibility and also worked for vested interests. However, I can see that he is a smart man and I have no beef with him in that regard. Credit to any man that raises his children well.

6. It is a fact that 3 quarters of black children are born out of wedlock and no that does not mean that none of them have a father or do not know their father. However, the black community is more likely to have an absent father than any other group. That is also because so many tend to carry out crimes that they did not to do. The black divorce rate is higher. It is better to be raised in a loving marriage as it is a contract of loyalty and again should be entered into with responsibility and care. I do think any broken family regardless of race is harmful either knowingly or unknowingly and it happens far too often. In the black community a child is twice as likely to be sexually abused because stand in fathers can be very questionable. Not only did the mother choose a bad man, but she then chose a child abuser. That is sick. But yeah, I agree with you that absent fathers are a huge problem in the West in general and I know how harmful it is. It certainly doesn't help a child or set a good example.

7. Nope. You won't find me on Stormfront or anything like that. My values are simple traditional values and I think it all starts with tidying your room. Jordan Peterson should be required reading in schools rather than books about how great being a transgender is. Sort out the basics and go on from there. I am not interested in race conflict or being superior. I just want to see a better life for children and that will in turn make things better for all and it starts with good old fashioned self responsibility and making good choices and it starts with choosing your partner carefully and working as a team otherwise government will always be the bailout option and it negates any progress.

No more on this topic for me as I am too busy to post like that all the time.

I better stay out a here ;D;D;):cool:

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Originally Posted by walrus

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Denilson-The-Comeback

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

Too late for ne, Dennis in non white land. However, I will address your points tomorrow.

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OK.

And let's go all the way with this. Don't wimp out. Don't chicken out. Don't make jokes.

Let's go all the way.

Let's unpack this all the way.

And let's see who makes more sense. OK ?

I mean. I pretty much know what your gonna say because I know how you think because I've debated with white supremacist you all my life. But anyway

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By labeling everyone as a white supremacist you have pigeon holed 850,000,000 people. About 11% of the worlds population. You must live in constant fear, they are everywhere

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Those are the PEOPLE, what about.....


https://static.comicvine.com/uploads...2767-White.jpg


Those guys?

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Damn you even got a white one good job

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All tigers look that way to big D

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

Firstly Dennis, this response will seem odd as your own was so long that I cannot reply to it with your data included, so i will just number my points and you can follow as you wish.

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I'll respond to your points but you can't respond to my points. Right...OK.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

1. What do I mean by family planning? I mean that if you are looking for a man to father your child you need to choose that man incredibly carefully. That is the power of being a woman. You need to look at income, reliability, ability to work, provide, care, etc. You need to read up on parenting yourself and not just go on the muscle memory of one's own childhood. Think about nutrition, well being, nurture, really make sure you are being the best possible mother you can be. No white person is stopping a black person from choosing a partner carefully or reading a few books and practicing what one learns.

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As I said before

What you are saying about black fatherlessness is false and a lie and see this is a common thing white supremacist try to do.

They say a lie like "Black people commit 70% of murders" and then they try to get black people to defend that lie.

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First off can you explain to me why Iceland (One of the whitest countries you can find ? Has the highest rates for father-lesness ?

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Why would a white person want to talk about black illegitimacy ? You don't care. Because if you were truly concerned about illegitimacy, you'd also be just as concerned about white illegitimacy too.

Your understanding of the Black community. Out of wedlock birth does not mean what conservative whites project it does in Black households. Most of those children still have two parents that just decided to cohabit instead of marry. That phenomenon isn't just taking place in Black America, some all white European nations also have exceedingly high out of wedlock births.

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3. I do not assume that there are IQ differences,

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I agree.

Statistics can only give us data, before we draw any inference from these data we need to be sure all the factors contributing to what we are collecting data on has been taken into account. Statistics based inferences have their flaws, being a member of the ‘superior race’ you should know this. Right ?

Intelligence itself is very hard to define, whether IQ tests are a good measure of intelligence is hotly debated, the definition of race is unclear, there is no genetic proof as of yet that indicates the existence of traits unique to what we call a particular race(based on their appearance and known ancestry), yet you are sure blacks are inferior.

A person of the master race should know better

So what you are saying is this : A black cat and a white cat are not both cats. They are different species. So are you saying that there is no single human race ? There are just different races which just happen to look little bit alike.

I think you are just scared. A more ballsy guy would’ve said already that science proves that blacks are dumb. But since you and your kind are too scared, you try to find some sort of pseudo-scientifical dress which you can wear in the racist ballroom gala

In many way it's a waste of time even debating with you as you can’t argue facts against beliefs. People believe what they want and they will always use confirmation bias to justify what they want to be true. If you want to believe that people are inherently inferior, just like people in the Eugenics movement did, then nothing will convince them otherwise except possibly time. Going through such efforts in trying to prove the superiority of one group over another obviously comes with an agenda. And it’s not a scientific one.

Even when you look at the main people running around trying to prove how stupid black ppl are

• Steve Sailer, journalist/computer salesman.
• J. Philippe Rushton, psychologist.
• Francis Fukuyama, political economist.
• Richard Herrnstein, psychologist (Bell Curve Author)
• Charles Murray, political scientist (Bell Curve Author)
• Arthur Jensen, psychology professor.

You notice anything strange? No biologists or anthropologists, much less geneticists.

Why trust these people over biologists and anthropologists, the very people who study these things for a living? To leave no stone unturned, some biologists and anthropologists have even written books about race for the general public:

You are trying to hijack science in the same way that people hijack religion.............. to promote their agenda.

The problem is: unlike in religion, science is far less open to interpretation. Which is why they so often.

Define “race” in humans in scientific terms first. That is, unambiguously and universal throughout the world, not only the USA

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

That is not anything new or surprising unless you live in a lefty bubble.

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There always has to be at least one mention of “the liberals” or “lefties”

You'll never find such mention in serious scientific publications.

We never really drill down to the nuts and bolts that need to be asked of guys like you and you kind of like that. Because you never have to actually put your ideas out there on the line to be scrutinized.

You can always claim ideological martyr status for being shouted down as being iconoclasts in the public square and pretend that marginalized trash are actually hidden gems of knowledge only you and a select few others can see.

Let’s have the debate.

Let's see what it would actually mean in public policy terms. Let’s see how guys like you intend to address the problems of our time and indeed things they see as problems.

But I don't think you will because the reason you and others believe in this is because you need a new theory of racism that allows you to separate yourselves from the blue collar stormfronters. So they come up with this high sounding “Scientific” theory.

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There are differences between races.

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DNA studies do not indicate that separate classifiable subspecies (races) exist within modern humans. While different genes for physical traits such as skin and hair colour can be identified between individuals, no consistent patterns of genes across the human genome exist to distinguish one race from another.

It has never been a case of there not being differences between the way human beings look. The trouble is in the imprecise taxonomy. How do you define a “race” and might there not be other equally valid ways of dividing humans into taxonomical groupings ?

And - NO - It's not because we are all the same.

There are persistent and real genetic differences that cluster within so-called racial groups, and more so than many have heretofore believed.

Yet these differences still fall far short of indicating sub-speciation, which is the normal standard used by biologists to indicate different “races” or breeds of a larger species.

Many scientists worked hard (REAL HARD) on finding working definition of race as a biological fact. They all failed. They all failed not because genetic differences can’t be observed between various humans (after all, if there weren’t mDNA differences, we wouldn’t know much about human maternal ancestry).

They all failed because genetic differences do not support social races, races that divide people into (pardon my words) “black”, “white”, “yellow” and “red”.

The only living subspecies of the species Homo sapiens is Homo sapiens sapiens. That is current scientific knowledge. And it is very likely to remain the only one, unless Sasquatch or the Yeti decide to walk into a science lab for a DNA test one day.

There is a reason why blood transfusions and bone marrow transplants work. This is why a “black ” persons blood can save an white Irishman’s life with a transfusion and vice versa.

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Have you observed the color, eye shape, or size an Asian person with say a Black person.

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You are AGAIN making the mistake that physiological differences are markers for genetic-based IQ differences, except that they AREN’T.

Physiology is malleable, as in partially affected by the environment. Yet I will admit that physiology is affected by genes as well, but it still has nothing to do with a population/individual’s potential intelligence.

The racial designations that we currently use are principally based on three characteristics.

1) Facial structure
2) Skin color
3) Hair texture.

Those are things that are controlled by six genes out of thirty thousand genes in the human genome and those genes have never been shown by any geneticist on the planet, any biologist on the planet, to be connected, or what geneticists call “concordant,” with any other trait known as intelligence or known as temperament or behavior or ethics or morality or any of those kinds of things.

It’s also the reason why you’ll find African Americans in the NBA but you won’t find many West Africans, who are certainly “blacker” and according to the racist theorist, athleticism and blackness somehow run together, then you would expect West Africans to dominate the NBA and African teams to dominate international basketball competitions

They don’t because these things are not concordant on the basis of race. They do not cluster on the basis of so-called racial categories

Let me put it straight: nobody in the field is saying that humans don’t have physiological variation that we use as part of the definition for “race” that is often rooted in geographical regions. But race is not an absolute, like height, or weight, that can be measured or scientifically defined in humans. That’s the score, and it ain’t changing

The one piece that continues to gnaw at me, though, is: “What does ‘IQ’ actually measure?”

Can you start a fire without matches ? Can you look at the sun and use it as a guidance map ? Can you purify water ? Can skin a wild animal and the fur as clothing ? Do you know how preserve food without a fridge ?

No. Well there are many ppl living in rural parts of the world who can do this with their eyes closed but would more than likely not fair well on an IQ test. But they're dumb. Right ?

Let's say you were in rural Kenya. How long do you think it would be before I came upon your pink and naked body laying in a fen of fern, gasping and shivering, eyes bulging in horror, whilst some poisonous amphibian set atop your chest awaiting your inevitable demise?

Strip away the technology and tools and what can you really do ?

You put a MENSA member in a certain environment where a different type of intelligence is needed they would not last a second.

But no !! To you intelligence is fixed and if your can't figure out "If Jack is taller than Jim and Bob is smaller than Jack and Peter is smaller than Paul" (or any of them IQ type questions) then your dumb !!!!

Conversely, people living in abject poverty in third world countries devise almost unbelievably complex ways of eking out an existence, and some modicum of dignity, in the midst of dehumanizing conditions. This requires a deep level of intelligence

Even the most cursory googling on the subject of African genetic diversity will show you that African peoples have extremely diverse and divergent genetic makeups. They cannot possible all be guided by the same “dumb gene” or the same “violence gene,” or “fast running gene.”

Yet you dummies treat all Sub-Saharan Africans if they are a single genetic race.

The reason for this is because Sub-Saharan Africans have

• Dark Skin
• Type 4 or sometimes Type 3 hair

It doesn’t matter if they have a variety of different features, or if groups have different average heights, have reached different levels of civilization, and self-identify as different peoples.

NO !!!!! Blacks are all ONE race, not two, or five

ONE !!!!!

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And why? Because in order for your mumbo jumbo to really work, it requires a genetically homogenous race of Blacks who all share roughly the same DNA.

And how about white people ? They're certainly less genetically diverse than Blacks, but they obviously have genetic variance between say… Scandinavians and Italians or Anglo Saxons and Spaniards… but evidently, those genetic differences are somehow never linked to intelligence.

You don't want to theorize on which group of White people are the least intelligent.

No !! No !!

That is only used for talking about black ppl. Who are the genetically dumber and disadvantaged Whites ? If there is enough genetic difference for whites to have different hair color, eye color and different average height, then why not intelligence ?

The answer is because this is not science, it’s politics and to ask that question doesn't serve the political goals of racist Whites.

You don’t want to face the idea that you might belong to the dumbest group of White people in your little hierarchy. So you theorize that “Whiteness” simply makes all Whites just as capable, and all Blacks equally disadvantaged

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Have you ever been to Japan and seen how svelte and small many are?

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Yeah all Japs are svelte and small

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And Japan is still under the system of white supremacy

Japan lost the war and was de-militarized by the Anglo-U.S. government..

Japan is NOT a sovereign nation, it is a COLONY of the U.S. That’s why Japan is one of the only (or the only) “super powers” that doesn’t have any nuclear weapons (and It won’t be allowed to have any).

If you look at the nations where possession of nuclear weapons is a “problem” for the U.S. or Israel or NATO — they are always NON-WHITE nations.

And that’s why Japan cannot force the U.S. to remove its military bases even though it has begged and pleaded many times over the years to ASK (not tell) the U.S. to remove them and the U.S. has the power to refuse to do it.

Japan can’t build anything (even a convenience store) in the U.S. without permission from our government so how can we build, even expand a military presence in Japan without their permission?

Because Japan is not just a U.S. colony it is a non-white nation under the system of white supremacy.

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This occurs even in North America where Asian kids outperform Whites, Latinos, and Blacks. I honestly believe nurturing might have a little bit to do with it, but there is the genetic argument that won't go away. However, I have seen with my own eyes the difference between England and Asia in that regard. Kids in the UK are much more likely to grow up in single parent households outside of wedlock and in pverty that does not work unless the kid has inner resources and resolve.

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The proof that this is a specious and deceptive method of practicing white supremacy is white people DO NOT treat Asians like they’re superior to whites.

1. Asians are still “yellow people,” and “Chinks” and “people of color.”

2. Asian couples are NEVER portrayed as the most socially desirable couples in white movies and TV shows. In fact, they don’t even exist.

3. Asian women are seldom if ever lifted above the white female in movies and televisions as the most beautiful or desirable women (I’ve NEVER seen this happen)

4. Many allegedly “Asian” nations are still colonized by European nations, like South Korea, Japan, the Philippines, Vietnam, etc.

5. Asians were horribly stereotyped in Hollywood films of the past. Now, they practically invisible.

6. There are still many private white clubs and golf courses where Asians are not allowed to join or play on.

7. the fact that this “argument” exists is a stereotype, and in a white supremacy system, that means the targets are never equals to whites

8. White people still elevate other white people above all Asians when it comes to the best paying jobs and positions of power and political offices. If whites believed Asians were superior, they would put them in charge of everything.

9. That fact that this stereotype even exists while at the same time white people are allowed to be just people without stereotypes (aka ‘human’) is proof enough.

Yes, there are cultural differences between Asians and other groups. So what? At the end of the day we are ALL still held hostage by the global system of white supremacy.

When it comes to blacks and Asians — to compare a people whose identity and nation and culture have been intact for over a THOUSAND YEARS and is still INTACT with a people who were enslaved for 500 YEARS and in the process were ROBBED of their identity, culture, nation, land, religion, and ability to govern their own lives under their own national banner, flag, and land is just plain STUPID.

Especially when those same (black) people are still under attack by white supremacists who seem to devote the majority of their time and energies to making sure black people stay inferior via inferior living environments, education, healthcare, food quality, water quality, endless promotion of destructive programming and stereotyping via the white mainstream media (TV and films and music they control), deliberate drug infestations,m police terror tactics, and excessive and unjust incarcerations,

Bottom line, the “Asian argument” was created for blacks, not for other white people.

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4. I brought up slavery because that is a commonly held trope and as you agree, we were all slaves in a Feudal system. If you are going to talk about slavery as I see you then do, let's not forget that people were traded. It was black chiefs selling their own people for resources. The White people were wrong to do that, but so were the black Chiefs. At the end of the day though slavery was abolished a very long time ago and nobody thinks it was a good thing. Morals and times were different. We used to burn Protestants alive and publicly hang people. Times do change.

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Africans were not selling “their own”, they were selling their enemies, just as the Greeks and Romans once did. Africa, then as now. They were no more selling “their own” than, say, “Europeans” were killing “their own” during the Holocaust.

The central impact of the African Transatlantic Slave trade you nonchalantly brush aside is the LEGACY. And it’s that legacy that connects us and everyone else posting in this forum today and will continue until the day it’s resolved or addressed.

You cannot (and here is the challenge if you are up for it) point to any other form of slavery (present, past or pre-historic) that has had such an immense and global impact on this planet than the African Holocaust

The outcome of that operation is the crucial factor which in terms of scale and magnitude has gone unsurpassed and has had a profound effect on millions worldwide. Not just because of slavery, that was just the starting point. But because white supremacy would not allow themselves to see blacks as humans and it carried on long after the slave trade was abolished.

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Have you actually studied the history of Ireland in the face of hundreds of years of English land theft, wars and occupation? They were not having a very fun time either whence so many being in America today. If your property is stolen and you are in effect a vagrant, then what are you? Free for what exactly? Life could be awful for anybody in those days.

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As I said before - What you leave out is that the Irish got to where they are because of racism.

The Irish did not suffer from hundreds of years of slavery - Because they were White.
The Irish could vote by the 1860s, not the 1960s – Because they were White.
The Irish qualified for the Homestead Act, the G.I. Bill and FHA loans – Because they were White.
The Irish could live in nice neighbourhoods and go to nice schools – Because they were White.

Irish indentured servants already received two forms of reparations. One was Freedom Dues (money & land). And the second, was all the tangible benefits that came with the first Affirmative Action program called white supremacy

Not everyone in the US saw them as fully White. But by the late 1800s, Whiteness in the US had been enlarged to include them and when the Irish first came to the USA in large numbers (in the 1800's) they had had almost no experience with blacks.

But after a short time in the states the Irish were rioting against blacks (as with the New York draft riots during the Civil War) and joining in the barring of blacks from labor unions, opposing school desegregation, and seeking to become white by assimilating to the white WASP system that was firmly in place.

The Irish joined the club of whiteness to the max.

Yes the Irish suffered and many never owned slaves. But whatever stereotypes they may have had then does not impact you now.

If and Irish person fills out a job application TODAY : No one cares if they are Irish.

No one follows them around in the store.
No one assumes they're are lazy.
No one assumes they're child-like and can’t take care of themselves.
No one assumes they're criminal.
No one tells them they are so much better off in America so they should be glad your ancestors were slaves.
No one acts like they did them a favor or saved them from a backwardness.
No one displays their human reminds as primitive until the late 70s.
They don't have to radically change/permanently alter a feature of your body to become accepted or get employment (like hair for example).

They're just another white person.

The same cannot be said for a black person. And how does this relates to slavery ?

The stereotypes were created during slavery as an excuse for enslaving blacks (we are childlike and need guidance, can’t take of ourselves need white help/masters, black women are sex-hungry, baby making machines to explain all the mixed children running around).

Or they were created after slavery to keep whites at the top and blacks at the bottom.

These stereotypes of blacks are to this day are still widely held and even defended by white folks and a few misguided blacks.

None of them are new. They are very old and they are based in slavery and it’s immediate aftermath.

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5. I lived with a black person when I was at University and though her experiences were obviously different to mine she was not experiencing any of this persecution you are talking about.

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First off - You assume that blacks always speak their minds to white people.

MOST DON'T

If she spoke her mind to you; a white supremacist about racism ? How would have that went down ? You would have ran your ass to your white landlord "You know that's Tiana is really hostile. She's really aggressive and saying some crazy things" and you would have got her kicked out the dorm.

And she knew that.

That's why black people have to often engage in this tackiness when they're around white.

Even outside of work most whites are so closed-minded about race and get upset about it so easily that it becomes a waste of breath. They have too many built-in defences. They make it a no-win. Even online it is largely a wasted effort (but not completely).

In these ways and others whites shut themselves off from any serious, honest talk about race with blacks. Then, partly from this engineered silence, they conclude that racism is no big deal.

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She studied hard, came out socializing, worked, nobody was holding her down for being black.

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How do you kn ow ?

She achieved IN SPITE of the system not because of it.

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You are British right? Surely you realize that Britain is a very tolerant country. I have worked with black PhD holders and there is non of this Denilson style rhetoric.

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Yes because black people have to make white ppl feel comfortable. The penalties for talking are severe.

Even me on Saddo. I've been a member here for 13 years. For pretty much the first ten years I didn't say anything other than speak on boxing because I knew what I say would not go down well. When whites do come across blacks who have talk openly and honestly about racism, such as activists, writers and bloggers, they dismiss them as radical, hostile, ungrateful, white-hating and so on.

Most whites have no first-hand experience that would make them seem reasonable.

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If she was being held down then why would she be in such a good place? It was effort and smarts that got her somewhere. Same with other black people I have known, but my life means I only meet educated black people.

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Madame C.J. Walker had become one of the very first African American millionaires in 1911. A year in which sixty-three black folks had been lynched in this country (more than one a week), and at a time when obviously all would agree overt racial oppression of African Americans was the norm.

Of course it’s true that some black folks have done extraordinarily well in this society. No one ever suggested the impossibility of such a thing. But she achieved in spite of the system, not because of it.

That's what KILL white supremacist like you.

White supremacists, I’m starting to realize, don’t really believe what they’re saying (not deep down) You look around and see that light skin is a recessive trait. You see the economies of the white west faltering, slowly (or perhaps not so slowly), being challenged by that of China. You see black people excelling in any arena where we are given full and equal opportunity (not enough arenas, to be sure, but still) you see a world in which global white supremacy is everywhere being challenged. In which the white world’s militaries are incapable of subduing a rag-tag bunch of insurgents, with darker skin.

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6. That's the thing Dennis, I do not buy into victimhood. Sure, bad things happened in the past to everybody, but we are living today and you are living in a country where the BBC specifically hires non whites. What more do you want? Affirmative action? You have it.

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Calm down. The BBC is still very white at the top. Happy now ?

Plus I'm pretty sure you know that white men with a criminal record are more likely to get a a job than a black man without one.

I'm pretty sure you know this

Happy now ?

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Then you have arguments for reparations. From whom to who? And where does that end?

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No one deserves reparations more than black Americans. Black Americans who built the wealth of the USA.

Slavery was sanctioned by the federal government, and all those UNDER the government profited from free Black labor. So the same government & its subjects owe Black people for the free labor that accumulated ALL the wealth today. Your ancestors PROFITED for their "sins". And the PROFITS for those sins were passed down generationally to YOU. And those profits have been racially locked into the dominant society AWAY from the descendants of slaves

In order to justify American slavery, a culture of vile anti-Black racism was created and placed into ALL AREAS of activity. That systematic culture has been passed down TODAY and it has magnified into genocidal proportions at this point

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Thus I believe in starting with yourself and getting an education

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Education is part of the system of white supremacy because most teachers have lower expectations of black kids

Black kids are punished more harshly than white kids for minor behavioral infractions, even if they commit those infractions no more frequently than whites.

Black children are tracked into basic and remedial level classes while white kids are tracked into advanced and honors classes (whether or not they show promise and even sometimes quite a bit less)

Why are predominantly Black school districts are under-funded ?
Why are predominantly Black school districts under-staffed with inexperienced teachers ?
Why are predominantly Black school districts denied books ?
Why are predominantly Black school districts denied microscopes and other lab equipment ?
Why are predominantly Black school districts always have hazardous waste near by black schools ?
Why are predominantly Black school districts always have to cut art and music classes, sports teams and sometimes hot meals in a cafeteria ?

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earning some money,

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All the jobs are controlled by the white supremacists.

That's why people with white sounds names are preferred and why job discrimination for black people is rife and why black ppl with degrees are more likely to be out of work than whites

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saving some money

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and building a decent life. It isn't that hard.

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Yeah sure if your white.

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However, from what I hear about US schools the same patterns exist and the black parents are more likely to be less involved in their education, be encouraged by peers to look down on learning, and thus it all starts from that rather than systemic racism.

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"From what you hear" And that's the thing you don't know anything

Denilson, you must excuse our friend Gandalf.

He, as opposed to the rest of us, still gives a shit about whatever you have to say.

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Factually so and having lived in East Asia I have seen the difference in nurturing. Kids are raised to be doctors and teachers. Kids are raised learning languages and complex Mathematics as children. Kids are pushed to achieve within the bounds of strong family networks.

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Fk you talking about ?

I think about the Asian women working twelve hours a day in sweatshops to make clothes for people you; They ain't Doctors and teachers. I think about the Asian families whose members have to put in eighty hours a week just to keep their heads above water; They ain't Doctors and teachers.

If you look at ethnic Koreans in Japan and the Burakumin there you'll find the same kind of consistent under performance relative to the dominant Japanese in terms of education and employment status. Both are targets of discrimination and treated like sh*t and although they are culturally and genetically indistinguishable from other Koreans or Japanese, they are consistently found at the bottom of Japanese society, and do worse than others in Japan and Korea.

This kinda debunks your notion of pan-Asian cultural superiority, it also suggests that a group’s caste status influences group outcomes: much as with blacks in the U.S., whose position has been similar to the Burakumin and ethnic Koreans in Japan.

Even when you look at so called Asians success this doesn’t translate into greater financial success nor job security.

This is evident in the Ivy League’s admissions.

They reject Asian applicants with higher GPAs and SATs than white students because they do not want more than 15% of the student body to be Asian. They apply these stereotypes because they do not want a c.h.i.n.k.s and g.o.oks making big bucks on Wall Street. They want a white boy to make big bucks on Wall Street, because of course, only white men are suitable for any big job. Right ?

Even the over 100 Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) dedicated to the advancement of education for blacks. However of course white supremacy affects them due to allocation of funding and resources that generally favor historically white universities like the Ivy League.

Not to mention that African Americans tend to be in the poorest areas of America were resources, teachers and local area are usually substandard. But then whites supremacists say blacks are stupid. Well why go to such efforts to fk shit up ? I mean were just gonna mess up everything. Right ?

White social domination makes sure white schools out compete with black schools.

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So according to your logic and albino man is not the same race as his parents because he is absolutely white ? Even though he was born out of a normal woman. Hence albinos are a different race ? Since they are genetically different than their parents. So albinos are a race of beings who are born of different race ?

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So this black couple who gave birth to a white child are a different species ?

There is no clear, objective way to divide living humans into races that is based on biology. Are there three races? Six? Seven? How do you tell? And where do you draw the lines between them? And why ?

Race is skin deep, at best any two humans are 99.9% genetically the same, according to the Human Genome Project. And even that 0.1% is mostly made up of individual differences. Only 6.3% of that 0.1% comes from differences between races.

And I’m not into all this “We are the same”

But many scientists worked really hard on finding working definition of race as a biological fact. They all failed. They all failed not because genetic differences can’t be observed between various humans (after all, if there weren’t mDNA differences, we wouldn’t know much about human maternal ancestry).

They all failed because genetic differences do not support social races, races that divide people into (pardon my words) “black”, “white”, “yellow” and “red”.

Races have pretty much the same set of genes, just in different frequencies. And even those frequencies do not always fall along the lines of race. Skin colour changes as you go north to south. The frequency of blood type B changes as you go east to west

Denilson continues talking about white supremacy.

Meanwhile............


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Omg brother big D is worse than the transphobia thread.

If only the death cult following Denilson had a job, his voice may have more pull for his pathetic ethnic gripes.
Life is good for all of us and we all have our places in society .
Some people are jealous of others because they are worthless vermin.

Eh? You clearly ignored or did not take in what I was saying. You should not say someone is telling a lie when something verifiably true is told to you. Nor should you say something is ignored when it is addressed. Nor should you assume the experiences and actions of other black people when they are clearly nothing like you. The black people I have known do well because they are intelligent and are not ideological zealots like you. They respect the tolerance and freedom that the West provides. You come across as a bit rude, Dennis.

You are entitled to your point of view, but if life is so bad then go and live in one of the black utopia states and quit bitching. Those are your options. Stay and better yourself. Or go. Have a good day. If you are English then be an Englishman.

I think Denilson is coming across more civilly than you lot, he's made some excellent points, responded directly to you with substance, and all he gets back is ad hominem or the same thing he has already broken down without any response to his argument, yet,.... he's the one missing the point? lame. You either aren't reading his posts or you're just throwing shade hoping nobody else will, and because you either know you can't or don't have the energy to debate. This was about as predictable as that Truce thread.

I think you are missing the prior exchanges and somehow ignoring his glaring accusations. For instance, I am the last person on earth to be ignoring the problem of single motherhood in the white community. I am not the one declaring that I will go down fighting or calling anyone sub human. I have basically been saying 'sort it out' and 'show some agency'. Go back and address Denilson's quirks. I was reasonable and then in the end stated reasonably 'If you don't like it then go somewhere nice'. If the most tolerant country on earth is not good enough for him then nothing will please him. It's a long moan and he thinks he is inferior. A shrink might help.

You are right when I say I do not have the time. A verbal debate is fine, but it takes time to type and frankly I have work to do, so yes 'Cheer up or find a new paradise' are my only words of consolation. At the end of the day the facts exist and there is not a whole lot I can do to increase IQ among groups beyond encouraging agency and good behavior.

I may have missed something, obviously he can be and has been nasty in the past as we all have, but I was just talking about this thread. he was making a good argument and cited more facts than you did by a long ways, also asked some very blunt questions you didn't attempt to answer. Yet you continue to make lengthy posts claiming it's a matter of time, all the while saying nothing. Itd be funny if you meant it to be.

I am the one that has been stating factual information. The fact is that IQ differences exist between racial groups. That was the civil starting point. Dennis is the one trying to suggest that we do not know what race is or that it is not clear. I have agreed and said that there are different White, Black and Asian ethnic groups. I also pointed out that tribes of similar origin tend to have similar intelligence traits. Thus the typical German is similar to the typical Brit in terms of IQ. The Korean is similar to the Japanese. Their genes and evolution are more similar than that of the other races. They have evolved differently over time which some researchers suggest is a genetic component. It will obviously affect the appearance and the internal structure such as disease proclivity and thinking mechanisms.

I have been fair in saying that actually Asians have stronger families and study harder too meaning that is probably also a factor. I have been clear in saying I hope this is a significant difference. The first sentence is a fact. The final part is not a fact. It is opinion.

I am not too sure what facts you are refering to. Denilson bullet points a thousand different things and at the same time as hating on the evils of the white man is making a case that race is not well defined. He is all over the place.

At the end of the day it is a fact that if you put an East Asian in any environment they will tend to be top. There is a lot of evidence on this and Denilson is so hung up on the white man thing he doesn't seem to notice that I am saying Asians do the best job of raising intelligent children in strong family environments. As is the fact that there are high and low level performers in any group. These are all facts, man. Read up on it and find for yourself.

It is not all racism as Dennis likes to claim. Far from it. It all starts with self responsibility and that is an opinion based on observation. It starts with something as simple as choosing a good partner which white people are very guilty of not doing.


The insanity of suggesting I do not pay attention to white broken families after all these years of talking about precisely that is preposterous. When I point out out of wedlock numbers, black incarceration rates, etc. these are easily verifiable facts. The sad reality is that all too many condemn themselves with poor decisions.

When that is pointed out our emotional friend will rant about 'going down fighting'. How about chill the fuck out and be a normal human being? Thus if he doesn't like it then do what I did and fuck off somewhere. I've a feeling he won't find what he is looking for because the problem is inside. It is something I learned too and life is better once you adjust and take responsibility. That is an opinion.

Thus high IQ is dependent on environmental factors not race.

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I can't compete with you dude

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You're the superior one. I bow before your presence. Your just so dam intellectually superior to me. I'm just so jealous

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You are right when I say I do not have the time. A verbal debate is fine, but it takes time to type and frankly I have work to do, so yes 'Cheer up or find a new paradise' are my only words of consolation. At the end of the day the facts exist and there is not a whole lot I can do to increase IQ among groups beyond encouraging agency and good behavior.

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It does take time to respond. It took me hours to write that IQ post and it's not something I'm gonna do often.

My wife wonders whether it makes sense to spend so much time and energy responding to your Nazi claims

Because let's be clear - The bedrock of Nazi ideology was the intellectual superiority of the Aryan race and the inferiority of the negro race.

It would be nice not to have to respond to you, but the fact is, guys who think like you have been cited approvingly by conservative columnists and talking heads, guys who think like you are in serious positions of power. Donald Trump is often doing racist dog whistles about IQ

So given the appeal of racist logic to so many, and given the strength of institutional racism as a defining force, I can hardly afford the luxury of ignoring your position, so as to “not give you legitimacy.”

The fact is that racism already enjoys plenty of legitimacy

Ignoring this reality isn’t likely to diminish its strength, but I will always-always challenge it because frankly what saying is horse-sh*t.

Because for many reasons that I've pointed out and another one is that intelligence is not something quantifiable you can’t measure how intelligent someone is, because to begin with you would have to be able to define intelligence very specifically and that can’t be done because intelligence, like many words that define brain functions is an umbrella term that describes several properties of thought(communication, reasoning, understanding) working in tandem

Finally it is absurd to rest a moral claim about how a society should be structured, upon the claims of scientists. There are always different scientists who have different evidence. If you think science can settle moral questions, you need only look at the debate and differing scientific opinions over climate change to see how wrong such an assumption can be.

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You are right when I say I do not have the time. A verbal debate is fine, but it takes time to type and frankly I have work to do, so yes 'Cheer up or find a new paradise' are my only words of consolation. At the end of the day the facts exist and there is not a whole lot I can do to increase IQ among groups beyond encouraging agency and good behavior.

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It does take time to respond. It took me hours to write that IQ post and it's not something I'm gonna do often.

My wife wonders whether it makes sense to spend so much time and energy responding to your Nazi claims

Because let's be clear - The bedrock of Nazi ideology was the intellectual superiority of the Aryan race and the inferiority of the negro race.

It would be nice not to have to respond to you, but the fact is, guys who think like you have been cited approvingly by conservative columnists and talking heads, guys who think like you are in serious positions of power. Donald Trump is often doing racist dog whistles about IQ

So given the appeal of racist logic to so many, and given the strength of institutional racism as a defining force, I can hardly afford the luxury of ignoring your position, so as to “not give you legitimacy.”

The fact is that racism already enjoys plenty of legitimacy

Ignoring this reality isn’t likely to diminish its strength, but I will always-always challenge it because frankly what saying is horse-sh*t.

Because for many reasons that I've pointed out and another one is that intelligence is not something quantifiable you can’t measure how intelligent someone is, because to begin with you would have to be able to define intelligence very specifically and that can’t be done because intelligence, like many words that define brain functions is an umbrella term that describes several properties of thought(communication, reasoning, understanding) working in tandem

Finally it is absurd to rest a moral claim about how a society should be structured, upon the claims of scientists. There are always different scientists who have different evidence. If you think science can settle moral questions, you need only look at the debate and differing opinions over climate change to see how wrong such an assumption can be.

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Brother Bid D you just quoted a white guy to prove your point

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I may have missed something, obviously he can be and has been nasty in the past as we all have, but I was just talking about this thread. he was making a good argument and cited more facts than you did by a long ways, also asked some very blunt questions you didn't attempt to answer. Yet you continue to make lengthy posts claiming it's a matter of time, all the while saying nothing. Itd be funny if you meant it to be.

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The first person to scream Nazi loses. I accept your White flag of defeat, Dennis. You gave it a good shot, but fail because in your efforts to deny race you still constantly hate on White people. If there is no such thing as race then what are you arguing?

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Nah, race is not real, gender is not real, and IQ means nothing. Get with the program you sad 20th century type.

Well if big D now says no race exists we are finally free from white supremacy

Does anyone actually want it to be civil around here? OK I know some do. But the lengths some people will go to to have a ruck are insane. Certain people literally can't engage with one another without having a tear up. And if there's any ambiguity at all over conflict or lack there of, conflict is quickly created, consciously, subconsciously, I dunno. I know people are quick to defend themselves against these accusations, but deliberately misconstruing someones viewpoint to create opposition is rife. It's happening all over the place.

Wouldn't it be easier for certain parties to just concede that they love it. Stop pretending it's all someone elses fault, it always is. Stop pretending you want it to end, you don't.

I've gone 180 on this. A while back I was firmly of the opinion that the site needed to lose half a dozen members or so. Half a dozen or so members that fall over themselves to have a row and in the grand scheme of things do more harm to the forum than good. Now, I think fuck it. You want to treat one another that way fine, fill your boots, but please stop fucking crying about it.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

The first person to scream Nazi loses. I accept your White flag of defeat, Dennis. You gave it a good shot, but fail because in your efforts to deny race you still constantly hate on White people. If there is no such thing as race then what are you arguing?

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Well Hitler did not just come out and say

"Hey. German people. We're just gonna kill six millions Jew. Are you cool with that ?"

No. No. That's not how it works.

The first stage was to dehumanize them

They are seen as less than human, stupid, as animals or a kind of disease. So killing them was no longer murder – it was just ridding the country of something bad.

And the first people killed in any genocide are those in the mainstream who speak up for them. That's what Hitler did. Now the message of hate goes unchallenged.

This is why the likes of Mandela was locked up. Colin Kapernick was kicked out the NFL etc. MLK shot

Read Mein Kampf.

Genocides unfold stages.

Stopping it at any one stage, stops the genocide from going forward.

Racism grows and feeds off a culture of silence. The point of calling out racism is to break down that silence.

It doesn't matter if I persuade anyone.
It doesn't matter if I “win the argument”.

What matters is that you were heard and planted that seed in people’s minds of, “Hey, maybe this is not right.”

Take Elizabeth Eckford.

https://abagond.files.wordpress.com/...pg?w=281&h=300

She was one of the first nine black students to go to Little Rock Central High School in the American South. That school was a racist hell for her – because the 90% who were not giving her sh*t would not stand up to the 10% who were. The American civil rights movement succeeded when people stopped being cowed by fear of standing up to racists.

And I'll say this

Calling out racism matters more when it comes from whites.

Why ? Because most ppl (especially whites) think white people are way more objective and neutral about racism than blacks.

Black people calling out racism ? Whites generally discount what blacks say, it is part of your cultural conditioning, but they still hear it. They hear what we say and, just as important, what we do not say. If something racist goes down and blacks say nothing, whites will assume that it is “okay”. Especially since many whites assume blacks are “oversensitive”.

A bully will always start off with an instant comment, they do this because, if you react they can do what your doing "Hey, you know, just joking, ya know, it's not that serious"

Nope. It's very serious because when you look at the fked up racial history of America that's because racism was not shut down at stage one.

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Originally Posted by Memphis

Does anyone actually want it to be civil around here? OK I know some do.

Yeah... some do. This particular thread, believe it or not, was started (ill-advised I'll admit) as maybe a step in that direction. I'm hardly the only one to start such threads, as there have been numerous (and hilarious) "truce" threads started by others. The thread was immediately called "bait", which is a false accusation.

But the lengths some people will go to to have a ruck are insane. Certain people literally can't engage with one another without having a tear up.

As Mod and peacekeeper on here, I know you'll leave it at that. But I'll add that some of us can pretty much engage with each other. I'm sorry but when it's "one against the world", usually I start looking at the "one." It works this way in kindergarten (which this many times resembles)..... it works this way in any work environment.


And if there's any ambiguity at all over conflict or lack there of, conflict is quickly created, consciously, subconsciously, I dunno. I know people are quick to defend themselves against these accusations, but deliberately misconstruing someones viewpoint to create opposition is rife. It's happening all over the place.

Hey... we've been warring on here long enough that eventually a lot of that sets in. I'll not throw stones lest I crack my glass ceiling.... but as the orange-haired one once said.... "there's fault on both sides."


Wouldn't it be easier for certain parties to just concede that they love it. Stop pretending it's all someone elses fault, it always is. Stop pretending you want it to end, you don't.

You have a wonderful point there. I personally tend to go though a cycle. At first I discuss in earnest. Disagreements are part of life.... without them we wouldn't be human. As the arguments progress and go nowhere, yes.... I'll get caught up on the heat of the argument. At some point, when I see arguing is fruitless.... and attempts at being civil fail miserably.... yes, I usually then go into the cynic, fun-poking mode. And you know what? It does become a sort of twisted type of fun. Again... nothing to hide here.

I've gone 180 on this. A while back I was firmly of the opinion that the site needed to lose half a dozen members or so. Half a dozen or so members that fall over themselves to have a row and in the grand scheme of things do more harm to the forum than good. Now, I think fuck it. You want to treat one another that way fine, fill your boots, but please stop fucking crying about it.

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But again, you bring up some very good points. Still, I'll revert back to my way of thinking about it.

I've had heated arguments with another poster on gun control. As heated as they get. Today we still disagree... but do so as normal human beings. I've had heated arguments with another about IQ and its "supposed correlations." Ditto on the arguments being conducted normally. I disagree with a few others on Trump. Everything gets said civilly. And so on and so forth.

If it was me (or anyone else for that matter) who was constantly at war with those "half a dozen members" you mention... and was constantly claiming not to "want it", as you said..... not to "enjoy it", as you said..... and that it was everybody else's fault...... DAMN.... I'd very likely be gone by now. And THAT, Memphis, is a fact.

In the end, it's a damn forum. Everyone keeps their shit off the main boards... and those members who don't care to see the circus on the other side simply don't go there.

Dennis, you are confused.

I think Black people in the West deserve the same rights and opportunities as anyone else. I believe in equality of opportunity which is WHY I stress the importance of raising a child in a stable loving environment or else not having children. I apply the same logic to anyone. The only person calling anyone subhuman or calling people animals here is you.

Mandela was locked up because he was a terrorist. He was responsible for murder. However, that is what happens when you deny people their rights and opportunities. I was against Apartheid.

I do not agree with suppressing anyone. All I am doing is saying that the scientific data is what it is and that things can and should be done better and it starts in the home. Not ending in a concentration camp. You go off onto these wild tangents when I have tacitly downplayed genetics perhaps in denial of what smarter minds than I think.

I have seen different cultures and that is where I think culture is crucial. I think I would have benefited a lot from private tuition. Wouldn't you have?