Re: Walrus shit stirring thread/personal hate thread
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Gandalf
The fact is that there are IQ differences, but there are factors that can cause that, not necessarily genes, though that of course has been argued. It could well be the case as we have all evolved differently but I couldn't say that without ruling out all other possibilities. So read the books, work hard, and see if you can do better. Don't join a gang and don't copy your parents. That's a start.
If you are trying to ground IQ as a genetic product of race the very first thing you need to do is offer up a genetic or biological definition of race,
Something no one has not done nor has any study. But I always, sit back, invite guys like you to me give such a definition. Mainly because their fumbling attempts to define race point out just how subjective such definitions are.
In close to a decade of debating race and IQ and genetics.
I have yet to see any one of them, no matter what their scientific c credentials, offer up an acceptably neutral definition of race.
No-one has shown that human variation is great enough to account for differences of IQ, nor has anyone established the veracity of IQ as a legitimate measurement.
No one has provided an inextricable link between genetics, race, and IQ outside of methodologically flawed correlations. They make the claim, then they prove the claim.
The fact that they or you are incapable of doing so makes my life very easy.
Which are those “races” then, purely scientifically speaking and in clear text ? What are the precise genetic criteria for making this classification ?
Those questions can obviously only be answered in arbitrary dimensions which are man-made constructs according to human perception alone. However you twist it, you will run in circles and eventually spiral back into concepts based on human perception alone.
Do you even know what a scientific fact is ?
A scientific fact is that rain water freezes at 0°C at a pressure of 1 bar.
There’s no human choice involved. It’s observable and reproducible anywhere by anybody in the exact same way. Now a scientific fact, peer-reviewed, confirmed and approved, can have political consequences. Using the simple water example, it means that public administration, set into function by politics, orders winter road service to get ready once the temperatures fall below 0°C and the roads are wet.
But yet you throw around concepts that have no constant repeatability everywhere you try to reproduce the experiment or apply the theoretical claim.
In natural science, only one single significant deviation is enough to render the claim at least disputable, at worst invalid.
The reality is that there is not only one but a multitude of deviations that those “scientists” choose to ignore. You are trying to make an absolutist claim by using extremely relative variables – variables, which (as should be obvious by now) they can’t even be bothered to define in relativist fashion.
In neurology no one takes IQ seriously.
It is archaic and only really useful to social scientists. Neurologists who have a better understanding of how the brain works because they spend decades of their lives studying it have little to no use for it, but to the public at large it is so important.
Why is that ?
I mean - Serial Killer (Ted Bundy) supposedly had an IQ off the chart. But would it be correct to say that a guy who used to slit women from their vagina to their neck was intelligent ?
Alfred Binet created IQ test’s to see which children weren’t profiting from the Parisian school system, not so that they could be labelled stupid but so new educational programs could be created to help those children.
I think he was physic because he was afraid that his tests would be misused for nepharious reasons and he could not have been more right, because once the certain people got a hold of it, it took on a whole new meaning.
And this is why you don't drive your arguments to it's logical conclusion
That is
If IQ is so important and so trustworthy, then why not give all the top positions to those with the highest IQ? Why have elections? Why have job interviews or resumes? Why not have birth licences or sterilization based on IQ?
I have to go out soon, so just a few short observations.
I think generally the top positions do go to those who are most capable. If it is a job requiring supreme intelligence, then a very intelligent person will get that job. Do you think someone with an IQ of 80 will be able to function as a doctor, lawyer, or Astrophysicist? It is highly unlikely.
An IQ test has nothing to do with morality, so for sure a serial killer can be intelligent. I don't see what you are saying there. Though fictional, Hannibal Lector was clearly intellectually gifted. It does not mean you have to be a nice person, but it does help in real life of course. You want to be a good friend, colleague,or what have you too. And able to be disciplined which I agreed with Tito on.
IQ is not perfect, but it is the best predictor of success out there and as I argue elsewhere, it is tested all through your childhood and into your adulthood. Typically if you have intelligence and pay attention, then you can navigate those tests, have more options and have a better future. If you cannot then life is harder, but no less meaningful or valid. We are all different and will make different choices.
What is race? Hmm, if you didn't see yourself as a black man then why do you hate on the white man daily? You accept that there is a thing called race yourself.
Re: Walrus shit stirring thread/personal hate thread
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Gandalf
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IQ tests do not even measure intelligence. That is just a learned rote response, little more sophisticated then spewing out the word 'Welfare' four times in one sentence, by somebody very heavily invested in repeating a lie, in a story which always makes them the hero. All IQ does is measure western teachable skills. Like Psychologists, very dull and ill informed, but privileged teachers and lecturers are often very heavily invested in this belief that intelligence is innate, a bit like Chomsky's daft innate grammar proposal in linguistics. The idea even, of a cultural element to intelligence is an anathema to them. That is the very serious flaw in western ideas of intelligence. Being so divorced from the environment that people of course do not realise how we can not exist apart from it, and it's influence, even if you lock yourself in a concrete tomb and just drink tea and read books. (That would though of course explain, quite how someone could develop such a narrow repetitive mindset that churned out the same rubbish for years on end.)
Abstraction is cultural and it is the development of this ability that will be far more valuable than somebody with a high IQ result and an old fashioned literal mindedness that will see them condemn humans to repeating the same mistakes until we are wiped out. Creativity in any form is hugely more valuable to a modern human, in a world in which 3 yr olds can use gestures to navigate the complex symbolism of a virtual world on a tablet.
IQ test are basically a way of saying if you are not like me then you are a cunt. No wonder sociopaths do so well in them.
What a load of waffle. If psychologists are so rote and ill informed then why do you wear your Aperger's label so proudly? 'Ooh Fenster, my darling Fenster....Sorry for snapping, it is my Asperger's you see.....it is not just BS made up by psychologists, but certainly useful so I can lick you. Oh, and YEAH I want to sexualize kids too. We are a team....high five!' You pick and choose what you want to hear.
In schools much of the testing is a form of IQ testing. The ability to solve abstract problems, to process thought logically. In turn how well you do will determine your University and in turn your life choices. It starts at a young age and is constantly monitored. Either you can do it or you can't. Not everyone is intellectually capable. Those are the facts of life, honey and not everyone is a winner.
If IQ was not important, then show me a Maths teacher, lawyer, or engineer with a low IQ. You won't. If IQ was not important we would have people with IQ's of 90 filling important, socially responsible jobs and they simply do not do that.
Your posting is as usual grammatically odd, waffly, and hateful, so you are best ignored. See ya, wouldn't wanna be ya!
I have been here for 9 years. For 8 years and a few months I never once mentioned being on the spectrum myself. That is hardly wearing a label you are so determined to beat me with proudly.
and then you see no irony on lecturing people on not being a loser ;D
Re: Thread for big D and his apologists
You were begging Fenster to understand why you were snappy and off and everyone knows you HATE to be on the wrong side of the Mods. It looked rather sucky sucky and desperate. You could just say 'I was being a cunt because I am one', but no, you now fall back on a convenient toolbox of the phony psychologists. You couldn't make it up. Not that I do think the toolbox is phony which is why IQ is undoubtedly one of the best tools they have for predicting outcomes and behavior.
Re: Denilson our brother hate thread/personal thread
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Make white babies?
why not?
btw your post on iq started very well before you started to waffle
Re: Thread for big D and his apologists
@walrus - well played, very well played.
Like a puppet on a string. ;)
Re: Denilson our brother hate thread/personal thread
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TIC
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Beanz
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TIC
Make white babies?
why not?
btw your post on iq started very well before you started to waffle
The question is 'Why?' not 'Why not?'
Who if they wanted to have children would be in the least bit interested in what skin colour their children had? Also if you are having kids in the belief that it somehow enures your immortality you may not be the kind of person who will prove to be a decent parent. Kids have enough on their plate without having to deal with some egotistical self obsessed parent.
For sure i can waffle, but is is very funny that you could, without any irony, post such a garbage nothing burger video, and then accuse me of waffling.
Re: Thread for big D and his apologists
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walrus - well played, very well played.
Like a puppet on a string. ;)
@Fenster ok dude I have no clue what ur talking about but thanks. Are you ok
Re: Thread for big D and his apologists
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walrus
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Fenster
@
walrus - well played, very well played.
Like a puppet on a string. ;)
@
Fenster ok dude I have no clue what ur talking about but thanks. Are you ok
He thinks you were playing a trick with the thread.
Re: Thread for big D and his apologists
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Gandalf
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walrus
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walrus - well played, very well played.
Like a puppet on a string. ;)
@
Fenster ok dude I have no clue what ur talking about but thanks. Are you ok
He thinks you were playing a trick with the thread.
Walrus won. :)
Re: Thread for big D and his apologists
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Fenster
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Gandalf
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walrus
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walrus - well played, very well played.
Like a puppet on a string. ;)
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Fenster ok dude I have no clue what ur talking about but thanks. Are you ok
He thinks you were playing a trick with the thread.
Walrus won. :)
Ok thanks I guess
Re: Thread for big D and his apologists
Re: Denilson our brother hate thread/personal thread
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Beanz
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TIC
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Beanz
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TIC
Make white babies?
why not?
btw your post on iq started very well before you started to waffle
The question is
'Why?' not
'Why not?'
Who if they wanted to have children would be in the least bit interested in what skin colour their children had? Also if you are having kids in the belief that it somehow enures your immortality you may not be the kind of person who will prove to be a decent parent. Kids have enough on their plate without having to deal with some egotistical self obsessed parent.
For sure i can waffle, but is is very funny that you could, without any irony, post such a garbage nothing burger video, and then accuse me of waffling.
more waffle from you. white couples can only make white babies. and they should be making as many as possible
Re: Denilson our brother hate thread/personal thread
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Originally Posted by
TIC
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Originally Posted by
Beanz
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Originally Posted by
TIC
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Originally Posted by
Beanz
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Originally Posted by
TIC
Make white babies?
why not?
btw your post on iq started very well before you started to waffle
The question is
'Why?' not
'Why not?'
Who if they wanted to have children would be in the least bit interested in what skin colour their children had? Also if you are having kids in the belief that it somehow enures your immortality you may not be the kind of person who will prove to be a decent parent. Kids have enough on their plate without having to deal with some egotistical self obsessed parent.
For sure i can waffle, but is is very funny that you could, without any irony, post such a garbage nothing burger video, and then accuse me of waffling.
more waffle from you. white couples can only make white babies. and they should be making as many as possible
That is logical, but I would also add in as long as they have the resources, time and love for them too. You don't want the woman with 15 kids, all white, but raised poorly just for the sake of it. Within reason is good.
Re: Walrus shit stirring thread/personal hate thread
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Gandalf
I think generally the top positions do go to those who are most capable. If it is a job requiring supreme intelligence, then a very intelligent person will get that job.
But who are the people interviewing you for those top positions ?
It's not black people.
So when you seek admission to a university, apply for a job, or hunt for an apartment almost all of the people evaluating you for those things look like you--they are white. They see in you a reflection of themselves, and in a racist world that is an advantage. You smile. You are white. You are one of them. You aren’t dangerous. Even when you get angry, your cut some slack. After all, your white.
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Gandalf
Do you think someone with an IQ of 80 will be able to function as a doctor, lawyer, or Astrophysicist? It is highly unlikely.
So in that case why don't you drive your arguments to their logical conclusions ?
If IQ is so important and so trustworthy, why not give all the top positions to those with the highest IQ? Why have elections? Why have job interviews or resumes? Why not have birth licences or sterilization based on IQ?
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Gandalf
IQ is not perfect, but it is the best predictor of success out there and as I argue elsewhere, it is tested all through your childhood and into your adulthood. Typically if you have intelligence and pay attention, then you can navigate those tests, have more options and have a better future. If you cannot then life is harder, but no less meaningful or valid. We are all different and will make different choices.
Let’s take the ultimate computer nerd. Mark Zuckerberg (Founder or Facebook)
Do you really think he got to where because of intelligence and hard work ?
He attended two of the most expensive and prestigious schools in the USA (Harvard, Phillips Exeter Academy). His success was due to his parents bank account and a bit a luck but had little to do with his intelligence and hard work.
It’s that simple. Everyone from Bill Gates to Warren Buffett needed a substantial amount of money to start up their companies.
Take the average drug dealer born in the ghetto and put them into an upper middle class family all of the sudden they’ll become a fortune five hundred CEO.
The same type of person that has the personality and skills to run a criminal entrepreneurship can easily run a legal one, but many will never have the opportunity that will allow them to earn the credentials necessary to do so.
Re: Thread for big D and his apologists
1. When a black person with a PhD is interviewed at an Asian University there are no white or black people on the hiring board, then where is the racism? When it comes to some jobs one indeed just needs to be the most well spoken, prepared, and indeed qualified to get the job. Was my black housemate denied work because of her race? I am sure that the interviewer was statistically likely to be white. In a majority white country there will be mostly white people on the hiring board. Unless you live in London or overseas whence me suggesting you go there or just go overseas and try out Nigeria if your obvious contempt in an interview is just too much to handle.
2. Your arguments are feeble. You do realize that basic Origami is beyond a person with an IQ of 80. Fine, ask someone at that level to fix your torn shoulder. Go for it. Have fun. Be nice.
3. IQ is not the only factor, there is also conscientiousness meaning you need discipline to do well too. A surgeon will work a 12 hour day and not be afforded many opportunities to try again. One can try again with the Origami puzzle, you cannot repeat the shoulder surgery. It is a very responsible position to be in.
4. People who attend Ivy league Universities tend to have pretty high IQ's. As much as I dislike Zuckerberg he is clearly a very intelligent man. He is a world away from the IQ of 90 world. I would guess 140 plus.
5. No, you are making excuses. I was born poor, lived in a shelter, but still got an education, still made some money. Having money first is an advantage, but it is not everything. I did not sell drugs, I worked hard at bettering myself and this gave me opportunities and you called me a liar for saying a white man had not hired me in decades, but it is absolutely true.
Even on this forum we have successful non white people who pay more in taxes than I probably earn in a year, so quit with all the excuses all the time. Either you have ability along with discipline, or else you do not, but you probably have the intelligence or the discipline which is at least something. If you have neither then it is tough, but that is why we nurture and try our best.
