India is choking to death - why isnt Greta over there?

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My points is USA and EU have the cleanest air on earth, and everybody knows China and India have the worst. So why isnt Greta over there helping out the cause? Why is she in the countries with the least pollution doing the Guilt Game?

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It is not her job to go all over the world for your pleasure. It is everyone's responsibility to be mindful of the environment. So be sensible.

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its not about pleasure. But if she's so into the cause, why doesnt she go where its truly most dire? Of course its everybody's, but its like going to Beverly Hills, Califoonia and lecturing/scolding/yelling about innner city crime in Detroit. Just go straight to the jugular and go to Detroit.

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What are you babbling on about now?

If she went to India you would criticise her for polluting the environment getting there. Admit you have an issue with her which is just childish.

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If she went to India I would be proud of her! Don't accuse me of that.

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Sure you would. :rolleyes:

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My points is USA and EU have the cleanest air on earth, and everybody knows China and India have the worst. So why isnt Greta over there helping out the cause? Why is she in the countries with the least pollution doing the Guilt Game?

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It is not her job to go all over the world for your pleasure. It is everyone's responsibility to be mindful of the environment. So be sensible.

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its not about pleasure. But if she's so into the cause, why doesnt she go where its truly most dire? Of course its everybody's, but its like going to Beverly Hills, Califoonia and lecturing/scolding/yelling about innner city crime in Detroit. Just go straight to the jugular and go to Detroit.

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She went to the Americas to attend the International climate summits in New York and Chile etc. I would use your favourite word 'disingenuous' but I am not about to waste my time calling out fucking middle aged men attacking a 16yr old for fighting for something she believes in . It is an insane inversion of reality in which the same men ( as in YOU Brock) who would bemoan the younger generation not doing anything but look at their phones and games are now getting on their high horse about a 16 yr old who has already sailed across the Atlantic and got boots in their millions on the ground.

You do not even have to agree with her, or believe in climate change, but if she is what you all consider to be an acceptable target to launch your fucking feeble entitled bile towards, you must be pretty lame in real life.

There are Saddos and there are absolute fucking rotters. I would much rather be a Saddo.

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan

My points is USA and EU have the cleanest air on earth, and everybody knows China and India have the worst. So why isnt Greta over there helping out the cause? Why is she in the countries with the least pollution doing the Guilt Game?

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It is not her job to go all over the world for your pleasure. It is everyone's responsibility to be mindful of the environment. So be sensible.

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its not about pleasure. But if she's so into the cause, why doesnt she go where its truly most dire? Of course its everybody's, but its like going to Beverly Hills, Califoonia and lecturing/scolding/yelling about innner city crime in Detroit. Just go straight to the jugular and go to Detroit.

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What are you babbling on about now?

If she went to India you would criticise her for polluting the environment getting there. Admit you have an issue with her which is just childish.

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If she went to India I would be proud of her! Don't accuse me of that.

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Sure you would. :rolleyes:

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Master think what you want but I really would be proud of her if she went to either India or China.

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My points is USA and EU have the cleanest air on earth, and everybody knows China and India have the worst. So why isnt Greta over there helping out the cause? Why is she in the countries with the least pollution doing the Guilt Game?

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It is not her job to go all over the world for your pleasure. It is everyone's responsibility to be mindful of the environment. So be sensible.

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its not about pleasure. But if she's so into the cause, why doesnt she go where its truly most dire? Of course its everybody's, but its like going to Beverly Hills, Califoonia and lecturing/scolding/yelling about innner city crime in Detroit. Just go straight to the jugular and go to Detroit.

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She went to the Americas to attend the International climate summits in New York and Chile etc. I would use your favourite word 'disingenuous' but I am not about to waste my time calling out fucking middle aged men attacking a 16yr old for fighting for something she believes in . It is an insane inversion of reality in which the same men ( as in YOU Brock) who would bemoan the younger generation not doing anything but look at their phones and games are now getting on their high horse about a 16 yr old who has already sailed across the Atlantic and got boots in their millions on the ground.

You do not even have to agree with her, or believe in climate change, but if she is what you all consider to be an acceptable target to launch your fucking feeble entitled bile towards, you must be pretty lame in real life.

There are Saddos and there are absolute fucking rotters. I would much rather be a Saddo.

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Adult professionals, many of whom have a genuine concern for the environment, were at those summits. Having a 16-year old Swedish girl from a well-to-do background scolding them like so many naughty children is, IMHO, not the best look nor strategy to resolve the world's environmental crisis.

Contrary to what you and many others may think, some of us still feel this was a calculated, sensationalist stunt pulled off by adults behind the scenes. Whether the effect was positive or not remains to be seen, I guess. But suffice it to say that those who do not believe there is anything wrong with the environment or the climate change, are not about to be swayed to the other side by a yelling, grimacing teenaged girl.

It is also a verifiable fact that most of the world's pollution and climate damaging man-made activities are occurring, and have been occurring for many years, in the very nations being mentioned here on this thread. To ignore that fact and continue driving the nail into the more progressive nations is a bit of foolish selective targeting, if you ask me. I'd rather see efforts to encourage/coerce offending nations to step in line, or risk economic and diplomatic sanctions.

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Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan

My points is USA and EU have the cleanest air on earth, and everybody knows China and India have the worst. So why isnt Greta over there helping out the cause? Why is she in the countries with the least pollution doing the Guilt Game?

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It is not her job to go all over the world for your pleasure. It is everyone's responsibility to be mindful of the environment. So be sensible.

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its not about pleasure. But if she's so into the cause, why doesnt she go where its truly most dire? Of course its everybody's, but its like going to Beverly Hills, Califoonia and lecturing/scolding/yelling about innner city crime in Detroit. Just go straight to the jugular and go to Detroit.

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She went to the Americas to attend the International climate summits in New York and Chile etc. I would use your favourite word 'disingenuous' but I am not about to waste my time calling out fucking middle aged men attacking a 16yr old for fighting for something she believes in . It is an insane inversion of reality in which the same men ( as in YOU Brock) who would bemoan the younger generation not doing anything but look at their phones and games are now getting on their high horse about a 16 yr old who has already sailed across the Atlantic and got boots in their millions on the ground.

You do not even have to agree with her, or believe in climate change, but if she is what you all consider to be an acceptable target to launch your fucking feeble entitled bile towards, you must be pretty lame in real life.

There are Saddos and there are absolute fucking rotters. I would much rather be a Saddo.

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Adult professionals, many of whom have a genuine concern for the environment, were at those summits. Having a 16-year old Swedish girl from a well-to-do background scolding them like so many naughty children is, IMHO, not the best look nor strategy to resolve the world's environmental crisis.

Contrary to what you and many others may think, some of us still feel this was a calculated, sensationalist stunt pulled off by adults behind the scenes. Whether the effect was positive or not remains to be seen, I guess. But suffice it to say that those who do not believe there is anything wrong with the environment or the climate change, are not about to be swayed to the other side by a yelling, grimacing teenaged girl.

It is also a verifiable fact that most of the world's pollution and climate damaging man-made activities are occurring, and have been occurring for many years, in the very nations being mentioned here on this thread. To ignore that fact and continue driving the nail into the more progressive nations is a bit of foolish selective targeting, if you ask me. I'd rather see efforts to encourage/coerce offending nations to step in line, or risk economic and diplomatic sanctions.

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Those very people castigating a brave 16 yr old girl here on Saddos and in the wider world have absolutely no respect for adult professionals. No respect for experts or scientists, the environment or the fact that their own children will if they are lucky inherit the mess they leave. Think of it what you will, the reality is a three week crossing of the Atlantic in a yacht is not for the feint hearted. She put her money where her mouth was. She is a spokeperson for a generation you and I have no authority to lecture. We have failed them. It is not sensationalist to point out how short sighted and selfish our generation and the ones before it have been.

Nobody is ignoring India or China. What people are willfully ignoring is the fact that the problem is not restricted to first, second or third world countries. It is a global issue and pretending that the USA, which is an atrocious country as far as man made climate change is concerned, should get a free pass under an administration that denies science is preposterous. If there is to be sanctions the USA should certainly be among the first to be shut down if needs be.

She went to the Americas because that is where the INTERNATIONAL climate change conferences were held. They were not held in India or China.

What is even more troubling is people being offended by emotion, by passion, by action , by the most human of qualities being expressed by someone purely because it is by somebody NOT LIKE THEM.

This whole board has massive issues with difference and diversity, even diversity of thought.

That is the reality of most people's lives off it but on here it is like fantasy island circa 1800 ffs ;D

I agree with Tito fan.

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My points is USA and EU have the cleanest air on earth, and everybody knows China and India have the worst. So why isnt Greta over there helping out the cause? Why is she in the countries with the least pollution doing the Guilt Game?

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It is not her job to go all over the world for your pleasure. It is everyone's responsibility to be mindful of the environment. So be sensible.

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its not about pleasure. But if she's so into the cause, why doesnt she go where its truly most dire? Of course its everybody's, but its like going to Beverly Hills, Califoonia and lecturing/scolding/yelling about innner city crime in Detroit. Just go straight to the jugular and go to Detroit.

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She went to the Americas to attend the International climate summits in New York and Chile etc. I would use your favourite word 'disingenuous' but I am not about to waste my time calling out fucking middle aged men attacking a 16yr old for fighting for something she believes in . It is an insane inversion of reality in which the same men ( as in YOU Brock) who would bemoan the younger generation not doing anything but look at their phones and games are now getting on their high horse about a 16 yr old who has already sailed across the Atlantic and got boots in their millions on the ground.

You do not even have to agree with her, or believe in climate change, but if she is what you all consider to be an acceptable target to launch your fucking feeble entitled bile towards, you must be pretty lame in real life.

There are Saddos and there are absolute fucking rotters. I would much rather be a Saddo.

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Adult professionals, many of whom have a genuine concern for the environment, were at those summits. Having a 16-year old Swedish girl from a well-to-do background scolding them like so many naughty children is, IMHO, not the best look nor strategy to resolve the world's environmental crisis.

Contrary to what you and many others may think, some of us still feel this was a calculated, sensationalist stunt pulled off by adults behind the scenes. Whether the effect was positive or not remains to be seen, I guess. But suffice it to say that those who do not believe there is anything wrong with the environment or the climate change, are not about to be swayed to the other side by a yelling, grimacing teenaged girl.

It is also a verifiable fact that most of the world's pollution and climate damaging man-made activities are occurring, and have been occurring for many years, in the very nations being mentioned here on this thread. To ignore that fact and continue driving the nail into the more progressive nations is a bit of foolish selective targeting, if you ask me. I'd rather see efforts to encourage/coerce offending nations to step in line, or risk economic and diplomatic sanctions.

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Those very people castigating a brave 16 yr old girl here on Saddos and in the wider world have absolutely no respect for adult professionals. No respect for experts or scientists, the environment or the fact that their own children will if they are lucky inherit the mess they leave. Think of it what you will, the reality is a three week crossing of the Atlantic in a yacht is not for the feint hearted. She put her money where her mouth was. She is a spokeperson for a generation you and I have no authority to lecture. We have failed them. It is not sensationalist to point out how short sighted and selfish our generation and the ones before it have been.

Nobody is ignoring India or China. What people are willfully ignoring is the fact that the problem is not restricted to first, second or third world countries. It is a global issue and pretending that the USA, which is an atrocious country as far as man made climate change is concerned, should get a free pass under an administration that denies science is preposterous. If there is to be sanctions the USA should certainly be among the first to be shut down if needs be.

She went to the Americas because that is where the INTERNATIONAL climate change conferences were held. They were not held in India or China.

What is even more troubling is people being offended by emotion, by passion, by action , by the most human of qualities being expressed by someone purely because it is by somebody NOT LIKE THEM.

This whole board has massive issues with difference and diversity, even diversity of thought.

That is the reality of most people's lives off it but on here it is like fantasy island circa 1800 ffs ;D

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"Those very people castigating a brave 16 yr old girl here on Saddos and in the wider world have absolutely no respect for adult professionals."


I have absolutely no idea what this is supposed to mean. I have all the respect in the world for the adult professionals who care about the environment. When speaking about a board with "massive issues" with diversity of thought, some thought should be given to ideas and opinions that do not mirror your own. I am careful to state my personal opinions with respect and clarity, so they are well understood. But I balk at the idea that because my opinions don't match others on here, that it is I that has the "massive issues" with diversity of thought.

My opinion stands that most responsible, mature, adult professionals react more positively to facts, figures, and sensible adult conversations... than to broad-brush scoldings from a 16-year old, regardless of how she chose to travel across the Atlantic.

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My points is USA and EU have the cleanest air on earth, and everybody knows China and India have the worst. So why isnt Greta over there helping out the cause? Why is she in the countries with the least pollution doing the Guilt Game?

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It is not her job to go all over the world for your pleasure. It is everyone's responsibility to be mindful of the environment. So be sensible.

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its not about pleasure. But if she's so into the cause, why doesnt she go where its truly most dire? Of course its everybody's, but its like going to Beverly Hills, Califoonia and lecturing/scolding/yelling about innner city crime in Detroit. Just go straight to the jugular and go to Detroit.

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Exaclement mon ami! Oh sorry, today’s not French day is it?

It’s going to back fire and she will do more harm than good to the movement

Primo my friend give me _"grammarly" app for autocorrect.

Took me a minute didn't realize she's on a first name basis. Truth be told and regardless of her little automaton delivery or backing...willing to bet this girl has invested and logged more physical time and effort in standing for a chosen cause than most of us stern hearted and steely eyed keyboard mashers here. When I was 15 I didn't even have the commitment to finish my paper route on Sunday morning.

"I don't want you to listen to me I want you to listen to the scientists"

This is what Greta Thunberg has said since day one. Again and again. So to suggest that she is trying to replace "adult professionals" is simply not true. Also to pretend that the jury is still out on whether her actions have had any effect is again a bit daft when literally millions of people all over the world joined her in her 'klimate strike'.

And no I am not accusing you of being a climate change denier Titofan or of "having no respect for adult professionals", but there are many here who do not, and worse still, wear it as a badge of honour. And they are the most vocal, the dominant voices in the room.

The fact is the USA is the all time biggest emitter of greenhouse gases in the history of this planet. No other nation comes anywhere near it. FACT.

So the thread opener suggesting that somehow it is the responsibility of a 16yr old to ignore that fact and travel to India to satisfy his own virtue signalling faux French bullshit outrage is stupid.

Tear her down (not you), slag her off, mock her, whatever, but for Le Blockbuster to pretend that she needs to travel to India (because that is more edgy) to impress him is pathetic.

There has long been a movement here to pretend that the brave thing to do is to attack anyone or anything that is unusual, unconventional, non traditional, foreign, etc and that is not something to mistake as a positive.

This board sits on a server thanks to a Brit living in Germany and yet it has until very recently had to put up with someone who once threatened to sue it, pretending that Brits should still be hostile toward Germans as though that was a patriotic attribute.

Common sense has been hijacked by the Jack asses like your President and his council of fools. If it had not been maybe kids would not find themselves thousands of miles from home grimacing in genuine distress at how useless many of the responsible adults are.

https://mobile.twitter.com/CarbonBri...0%2Fframe.html

Looking at that chart China's rise from 1970 is incredible, how long will it be before they overtake America? (And rule the entire planet?)

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Looking at that chart China's rise from 1970 is incredible, how long will it be before they overtake America? (And rule the entire planet?)

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It is a complex issue. In many ways they may hold the key to fighting climate change because of the investments they are making in research but on the other hand their environmental track record is appalling and they are well and truly fucking over Australia and Africa in exploiting them mercilessly for resources.

There's not a "one-size-fits-all" solution to climate issues or pollution. (I mention the two together because, whether or not one believes climate change is partly man-made, there's no denying the effect of totally man-made pollution on the planet).

By saying that, I'm saying that Greta's crusade may help in some aspects, but not necessarily others. If we can ignore sources, I believe the following article speaks to some of the fears some of us have.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...g-s-radicalism

The author is neither hating on, nor making fun of Greta. Yet he's making some valid points. For all her sudden fame, Greta remains a 16-year old, hardly a person with the capacity to understand all the nuances and complexity of demanding climate action in a world so diverse and complicated. He mentions Greta's backing and encouragement of extremist movements like Extinction Rebellion, whose handiwork we've already seen in the disruption of everyday life, much to the chagrin of everyday people just trying to get to work.

Not being a total Greta supporter does not necessarily translate into a hater of "anyone or anything that is unusual, unconventional, non traditional, foreign, etc." I recently read through a NG issue celebrating women, in which one of the highlighted issues is the struggle being faced in countries like India regarding the very safety of women. Many of these women, some very young in age, have taken matters into their own hands through demonstrations, civic actions, movements.... and have thrust themselves into the limelight. I totally applaud and support that. But I cannot hold a 16-year old Swedish girl from a fairly comfortable background in one of the world's least offensive countries (on environmental issues) in the same regard as I do these women who are practically and truly "fighting for their future." One smacks of sensationalism, stoked by behind the scene adults. The other is a true, desperate and personally-lived struggle. Not sure if I'm making myself understood here.

In the end, Greta's campaign may be helpful in some ways, and may be harmful in others. I still cringe at the thought of being in the shoes of a highly-educated climate professional... traveling to a summit to discuss climate change... and being subjected to a shrieking scolding by a 16-year old. But I will say this: At the very least it has put the environment at the forefront of conversations. Like her methods (or those behind the scenes) or not..... the unarguable fact is that by being controversial she has brought the conversation to the forefront.

Another complexity of climate change/pollution. While the U.S. may the worst offender in CO2 emissions, it would be globally foolish to ignore the countries rapidly catching up, like China. Not to mention the fact that CO2 emissions are but a portion of the whole climate change/pollution picture. Water pollution is a far more urgent matter, IMO, and an animated graph on that would probably look a bit different. Like any complex issue, it's simply not a matter of "either or". It will take a multi-pronged approach, and by that I mean that while countries like the U.S. are to be expected to do their part, the huge offenders on the other side of the globe cannot just be given a pass because..... well, because "we don't have any control over what they do." We share the same planet, and it's everyone's business.

I agree again with Titofan.

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Looking at that chart China's rise from 1970 is incredible, how long will it be before they overtake America? (And rule the entire planet?)

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It is a complex issue. In many ways they may hold the key to fighting climate change because of the investments they are making in research but on the other hand their environmental track record is appalling and they are well and truly fucking over Australia and Africa in exploiting them mercilessly for resources.

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The Africa-China thing is mental. No wonder so many Americans are paranoid as hell.

I heard one of Greta's fans, an expert, say cows cause the most damage through blowing off (Methane). Is that true? If so why not kill all the cows? Nobody is missing beef and milk that much and the farmers can get a different job, like Bus conductors and all the other past lifestyles that went out of fashion.

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Ten Warning Signs for Cults

1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.

The leading advocates of the Climate Change movement are politicians, entertainers, and even children. Climate preachers such as Al Gore and Leonardo DiCaprio lack any formal scientific training whatsoever, and live personal lives of unparalleled luxury while prescribing carbon austerity for the masses. Yet no one is permitted to point out their scientific ignorance or call attention to their hypocritical lifestyles.

Child advocates such as Greta Thuneberg and the crudely indoctrinated children of the “Sunrise movement” are essentially sock puppets for their shameless activist handlers. Refuse to bend the knee to these tiny fascists, as Diane Feinstein most recently did, and the mainstream left will relentlessly attack you as an accessory to mass murder.

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I heard one of Greta's fans, an expert, say cows cause the most damage through blowing off (Methane). Is that true? If so why not kill all the cows? Nobody is missing beef and milk that much and the farmers can get a different job, like Bus conductors and all the other past lifestyles that went out of fashion.

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Jeremy Clarkson uses the cow argument on his car show a lot. Cows do not cause as much damage as factories, cars and aeroplanes.

Ten Warning Signs for Cults

1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.

The leading advocates of the Climate Change movement are politicians, entertainers, and even children. Climate preachers such as Al Gore and Leonardo DiCaprio lack any formal scientific training whatsoever, and live personal lives of unparalleled luxury while prescribing carbon austerity for the masses. Yet no one is permitted to point out their scientific ignorance or call attention to their hypocritical lifestyles.

Child advocates such as Greta Thuneberg and the crudely indoctrinated children of the “Sunrise movement” are essentially sock puppets for their shameless activist handlers. Refuse to bend the knee to these tiny fascists, as Diane Feinstein most recently did, and the mainstream left will relentlessly attack you as an accessory to mass murder.

Not that I give a shit but what are the other 9?

2. . No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
The conclusions of the Climate Change movement may not be challenged or questioned under any circumstances. Those who dare scrutinize the conclusions, methodology, or prescriptions of “climate scientists” are categorically dismissed as a “Climate Denier”, an excommunicated untouchable whose opinion is no longer valid on any subject.
Questions and critical inquiry aren’t merely dismissed or refuted. The unfortunate heretic immediately experiences a relentless ad hominem onslaught of scorn and hatred from the political and media left, and is often subjected to accusations of outright murder. Simply question the effectiveness of a “carbon tax” and you may find yourself tied to a stake.
There is no tolerance for questioning the Climate Change movement, and thus it clearly meets the second warning sign for unsafe groups.

Do not bother with the other 8 as the first two are just horse shit.

3. . No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
Hardly anyone knows just how much money is spent on “Climate research” every year. The cost is spread out among laughably useless study grants, wind and solar farm subsidies, carbon offset credits, “green” building code evaluation and enforcement, salaries for bureaucrats solely dedicated to “climate concerns”……you get the idea, it’s a lot of hazy money.
The abhorrent practice of “sue and settle” was a flat out money laundering scheme that allowed sympathetic government officials to transfer millions of tax dollars to radical leftist environmental groups. The practice only ended when the Trump administration used executive power to clamp down on it.
The total amount of yearly financial expenditure on the Climate Change movement is vague, difficult to track, and often carried out in unethical manners. Thus, the Climate Change movement exhibits the third warning sign for unsafe groups.

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There's not a "one-size-fits-all" solution to climate issues or pollution. (I mention the two together because, whether or not one believes climate change is partly man-made, there's no denying the effect of totally man-made pollution on the planet).

By saying that, I'm saying that Greta's crusade may help in some aspects, but not necessarily others. If we can ignore sources, I believe the following article speaks to some of the fears some of us have.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...g-s-radicalism

The author is neither hating on, nor making fun of Greta. Yet he's making some valid points. For all her sudden fame, Greta remains a 16-year old, hardly a person with the capacity to understand all the nuances and complexity of demanding climate action in a world so diverse and complicated. He mentions Greta's backing and encouragement of extremist movements like Extinction Rebellion, whose handiwork we've already seen in the disruption of everyday life, much to the chagrin of everyday people just trying to get to work.

Not being a total Greta supporter does not necessarily translate into a hater of "anyone or anything that is unusual, unconventional, non traditional, foreign, etc." I recently read through a NG issue celebrating women, in which one of the highlighted issues is the struggle being faced in countries like India regarding the very safety of women. Many of these women, some very young in age, have taken matters into their own hands through demonstrations, civic actions, movements.... and have thrust themselves into the limelight. I totally applaud and support that. But I cannot hold a 16-year old Swedish girl from a fairly comfortable background in one of the world's least offensive countries (on environmental issues) in the same regard as I do these women who are practically and truly "fighting for their future." One smacks of sensationalism, stoked by behind the scene adults. The other is a true, desperate and personally-lived struggle. Not sure if I'm making myself understood here.

In the end, Greta's campaign may be helpful in some ways, and may be harmful in others. I still cringe at the thought of being in the shoes of a highly-educated climate professional... traveling to a summit to discuss climate change... and being subjected to a shrieking scolding by a 16-year old. But I will say this: At the very least it has put the environment at the forefront of conversations. Like her methods (or those behind the scenes) or not..... the unarguable fact is that by being controversial she has brought the conversation to the forefront.

Another complexity of climate change/pollution. While the U.S. may the worst offender in CO2 emissions, it would be globally foolish to ignore the countries rapidly catching up, like China. Not to mention the fact that CO2 emissions are but a portion of the whole climate change/pollution picture. Water pollution is a far more urgent matter, IMO, and an animated graph on that would probably look a bit different. Like any complex issue, it's simply not a matter of "either or". It will take a multi-pronged approach, and by that I mean that while countries like the U.S. are to be expected to do their part, the huge offenders on the other side of the globe cannot just be given a pass because..... well, because "we don't have any control over what they do." We share the same planet, and it's everyone's business.

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In many ways we are not just on opposite sides of the street but in entirely different universes. I don't consider Extinction Rebellion to be an extremist movement at all. The fact that absolute lying scumbags like Johnson and Trump feel threatened by Thunberg and ER is a ringing validation of everything they are doing. There are plenty of highly educated climate professionals backing every thing that Thunberg has said. She is not shreiking at them or scolding them, she is urging people to listen to them, whilst so many are acting as apologists for the inaction of the likes of Macron, Trump (two sides of the same coin) etc.

She cannot help her background and I think for many their issue really is with her because she is female, and because they cannot accept that young people are capable of achieving amazing things. Speaking from personal experience, working with young people ,many of whom have very difficult and complex , health and social issues, it never ceases to amaze me what they can achieve.

What i find sensationalist and frankly hilarious, is the idea of people like the United States leveling sanctions against other countries when their own environmental policies are so backwards and ignorant.

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The largest CO2 emitters since ..... 1750?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaIyvfRYef8


Why is CO2 bad again? That's what plants breathe IN and then they exhale Oxygen....does the entire world need to take some sort of remedial Environmental Science class?


What's the A#1 greenhouse gas? Anyone? Anyone? Do you know without Googling it?

4. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
This one is pretty obvious. The Climate Change movement always shouts out revised and updated apocalypse predictions, eerily reminiscent of the stereotypical bum on the sidewalk with that “The End Is Near” sign. “The world will end in X years if we don’t do X” is the constant refrain. The years always pass, and the apocalypse never happens. Interestingly, this is a characteristic of multiple religious cults (such as the Seekers of Chicago, and the Order of the Solar Temple). At the moment, we apparently have 12 years to nationalize the entire economy and phase out fossil fuels before we all die a fiery death.
There’s also no shortage of conspiracy theories about who they consider to be Earth’s greatest saboteurs. They have an enemies list. The fossil fuel industry is at the top of it, with widespread tinfoil hat theories about oil companies burying patents for efficient renewable fuel recipes to keep us all guzzling gasoline.
The “repent or burn” doomsday preaching is the most well-known staple of the Climate Change movement, and quite clearly exemplifies the fourth warning sign for unsafe groups.

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Ten Warning Signs for Cults

1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.

The leading advocates of the Climate Change movement are politicians, entertainers, and even children. Climate preachers such as Al Gore and Leonardo DiCaprio lack any formal scientific training whatsoever, and live personal lives of unparalleled luxury while prescribing carbon austerity for the masses. Yet no one is permitted to point out their scientific ignorance or call attention to their hypocritical lifestyles.

Child advocates such as Greta Thuneberg and the crudely indoctrinated children of the “Sunrise movement” are essentially sock puppets for their shameless activist handlers. Refuse to bend the knee to these tiny fascists, as Diane Feinstein most recently did, and the mainstream left will relentlessly attack you as an accessory to mass murder.

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You have supported those globalist politicians like Macron, Cameron and Trump who have forced a false austerity campaign onto millions of the most vulnerable people in the west, causing their deaths. So fuck you if you think you can then get on your soapbox about whinge about being held to account . Own it, you advocated it, you can't then wash your hands of it. The Trump cult is full of true sickos

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4. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
This one is pretty obvious. The Climate Change movement always shouts out revised and updated apocalypse predictions, eerily reminiscent of the stereotypical bum on the sidewalk with that “The End Is Near” sign. “The world will end in X years if we don’t do X” is the constant refrain. The years always pass, and the apocalypse never happens. Interestingly, this is a characteristic of multiple religious cults (such as the Seekers of Chicago, and the Order of the Solar Temple). At the moment, we apparently have 12 years to nationalize the entire economy and phase out fossil fuels before we all die a fiery death.
There’s also no shortage of conspiracy theories about who they consider to be Earth’s greatest saboteurs. They have an enemies list. The fossil fuel industry is at the top of it, with widespread tinfoil hat theories about oil companies burying patents for efficient renewable fuel recipes to keep us all guzzling gasoline.
The “repent or burn” doomsday preaching is the most well-known staple of the Climate Change movement, and quite clearly exemplifies the fourth warning sign for unsafe groups.

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You and your sicko Trump chums sound way more like Commie bastards than those you refuse to debate. This is what you did last time. Shut down debate with your compulsive lies. You are boasting about wanting to hang Obama as though that were not a conspiracy theory motivated by a weird refusal to admit that Trump has you by the bollocks.

It is a long way back down the twisty stairs of the minaret for Donkeys like you.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/CarbonBri...0%2Fframe.html

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The largest CO2 emitters since ..... 1750?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaIyvfRYef8


Why is CO2 bad again? That's what plants breathe IN and then they exhale Oxygen....does the entire world need to take some sort of remedial Environmental Science class?


What's the A#1 greenhouse gas? Anyone? Anyone? Do you know without Googling it?

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Nice to see you refusing to engage with reality as per usual. Thought you would love such a great infographic. An animated graph like that one makes it quite clear who would have no problem putting a bag over their head. You love C02 so much stick a bag back over your head and breathe away.

I shall remember to ask you in future, as a recognized scientific expert on the environment, just like your big orange God, and ignore all the thousands of scientists who think you are both full of way more than just C02.

You factory farm bullshit

Beanz you are once again very aggressive in how you answer people who don't agree with you.
Is there a reason for the hostility ?
I personally think Greta is a sweet little girl, her message is clear and yes the planet is fucked the way we are going.
Greta uses planes, multi billion dollar boats isn't a great way to preach your message. But you Beanz are so aggressive for someone who is a liberal, I think the far left and far right are pretty similar in aggression to be honest.

Everyone have a nice happy day, I know i will :)

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Beanz you are once again very aggressive in how you answer people who don't agree with you.
Is there a reason for the hostility ?
I personally think Greta is a sweet little girl, her message is clear and yes the planet is fucked the way we are going.
Greta uses planes, multi billion dollar boats isn't a great way to preach your message. But you Beanz are so aggressive for someone who is a liberal, I think the far left and far right are pretty similar in aggression to be honest.

Everyone have a nice happy day, I know i will :)

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Aggressive? ;D

What do you want me to do wrap everything up in Pink Roses? I am not preaching a message I just have a different opinion to many and that is seen as bloody blasphemy around here. Next you will be pretending that there is no hostility in you calling people peasants and scum for the crime of not buying into your own world view ;)


What a bunch of broflakes

https://babylonbee.com/news/man-in-c...wQVgBHs2jGhJJs

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Beanz you are once again very aggressive in how you answer people who don't agree with you.
Is there a reason for the hostility ?
I personally think Greta is a sweet little girl, her message is clear and yes the planet is fucked the way we are going.
Greta uses planes, multi billion dollar boats isn't a great way to preach your message. But you Beanz are so aggressive for someone who is a liberal, I think the far left and far right are pretty similar in aggression to be honest.

Everyone have a nice happy day, I know i will :)

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Aggressive? ;D

What do you want me to do wrap everything up in Pink Roses? I am not preaching a message I just have a different opinion to many and that is seen as bloody blasphemy around here. Next you will be pretending that there is no hostility in you calling people peasants and scum for the crime of not buying into your own world view ;)


What a bunch of broflakes

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I don't agree with many here , however I'm just chilled as its Friday and it will involve wine.
Try it you may chill out a bit. :)

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Beanz you are once again very aggressive in how you answer people who don't agree with you.
Is there a reason for the hostility ?
I personally think Greta is a sweet little girl, her message is clear and yes the planet is fucked the way we are going.
Greta uses planes, multi billion dollar boats isn't a great way to preach your message. But you Beanz are so aggressive for someone who is a liberal, I think the far left and far right are pretty similar in aggression to be honest.

Everyone have a nice happy day, I know i will :)

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Just booked two tickets for the Ballet and am about to go and cover a friends opening night (Exhibition), I am very happy, and look forward to a nice ale when I get home. Have a lovely weekend.

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Beanz you are once again very aggressive in how you answer people who don't agree with you.
Is there a reason for the hostility ?
I personally think Greta is a sweet little girl, her message is clear and yes the planet is fucked the way we are going.
Greta uses planes, multi billion dollar boats isn't a great way to preach your message. But you Beanz are so aggressive for someone who is a liberal, I think the far left and far right are pretty similar in aggression to be honest.

Everyone have a nice happy day, I know i will :)

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Just booked two tickets for the Ballet and am about to go and cover a friends opening night (Exhibition), I am very happy, and look forward to a nice ale when I get home. Have a lovely weekend.

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I am not the biggest fan of Ballet but its always nice to get dressed up and see some culture.
May I ask what is the performance ? and where is it held ?

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

Beanz you are once again very aggressive in how you answer people who don't agree with you.
Is there a reason for the hostility ?
I personally think Greta is a sweet little girl, her message is clear and yes the planet is fucked the way we are going.
Greta uses planes, multi billion dollar boats isn't a great way to preach your message. But you Beanz are so aggressive for someone who is a liberal, I think the far left and far right are pretty similar in aggression to be honest.

Everyone have a nice happy day, I know i will :)

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Aggressive? ;D

What do you want me to do wrap everything up in Pink Roses? I am not preaching a message I just have a different opinion to many and that is seen as bloody blasphemy around here. Next you will be pretending that there is no hostility in you calling people peasants and scum for the crime of not buying into your own world view ;)


What a bunch of broflakes

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I don't agree with many here , however I'm just chilled as its Friday and it will involve wine.
Try it you may chill out a bit. :)

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Had a nice Shiraz yesterday. Seriously mate all this angry Beanz stuff is pretty hilarious and in the heads of everyone else. It has gone way beyond boring and I am not about to mind my P's and Q's for Cunts fools like Brock FlatboxingFlan or anyone else

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Nice to see you refusing to engage with reality as per usual. Thought you would love such a great infographic. An animated graph like that one makes it quite clear who would have no problem putting a bag over their head. You love C02 so much stick a bag back over your head and breathe away.

I shall remember to ask you in future, as a recognized scientific expert on the environment, just like your big orange God, and ignore all the thousands of scientists who think you are both full of way more than just C02.

You factory farm bullshit

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The sun shines on plants helping them with their photosynthesis. During photosynthesis plants inhale CO2 and exhale Oxygen. Humans and animals inhale Oxygen and exhale CO2. Some Carbon is released into the soil and some forms of Oxygen climb into the atmosphere. This is pretty simple stuff here.


Well I don't trust the "OMG we're killing the Earth!" folks anymore than I trusted the Y2K folks or Mayan Calendar folks or Heaven's Gate Cult or whoever else who is just declaring the world is going to end. The Earth is going to be just fine. That said we should attempt to keep things as clean as possible and if that's truly the goal then shouldn't China and India bring their standards up to American and European levels? I mean it would be like if you had a split personality and 1 of them was vegan and ran marathons and the other ate like shit and was an alcoholic...the vegan marathoner can do things absolutely PERFECTLY but that personality ain't out running the other personality's shitty diet and alcoholism. And in this case America and Europe, we're doing more than our fair share, but there's China and India and they are the 800 pound chain smoking gorilla in the room fucking up our marathon time in this case....so yeah how's about they step up their game before Greta just dictates that air travel and beef are now verboten hmm?

All the "thousands of scientists" are paid by who? The government who seeks increasing control over and the compliance of their citizens.


"You factory farm bullshit"....yeah thanks I actually hunt, garden, and I also support my local farms but hey like ALWAYS it's whatever insult you'd like to blindly hurl at me to make you feel better about yourself. Do you eat what you hunt? Oh you don't hunt? Do you eat meat? Where does that come from? Do you eat vegetables? Do you grow them yourself? Where do they come from? How are they grown? ......or don't we want to stop and think about that glass house we live in before throwing stones at others?



'member that "hole in the ozone"? Whatever happened to that? member the population bomb? member global COOLING? member global WARMING?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ncps_RYHoAI