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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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Spicoli
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walrus
I wonder if the US is going to end up like many Asian countries where it is very common to see a large amount of people walking around with masks. Granted part of the reason is the air quality. When I was in Nanking my eyes were burning from the pollutants but it is also due to the various virus floating around the country. Once this has passed, will we be a masks be a common site? Stores used to have signs saying no masks can be worn in the store, now you have to put them on. I am so glad I’m French
I think they will and have to say I'm glad the majority of locals are wearing them inside of businesses. The no masks allowed was one of the first things I thought of when they first started the DIY bandana masks around here. It is very common to see kids run around with bandanas around necks on heads in a pocket etc for as long as I can remember and to be honest those are the ones you give a second glance. I think masks in general will be the new norm and regardless of if you believe it's fact or you lick pennies and look for men in black trench coats under your bed..it's common sense and courtesy when among groups. Humans are nasty, think about all the snoting, wheezing and talking with our mouths full we do. We swap bacteria like it's going out of style. What gets lost and ignored is the mask isn't for you it's for the people you come across and vice a versa. If I see someone coughing in a store and they aren't masked up, now they get the second glance. We seemed to get that for the first few weeks on what was a unified front for the most part. This Country cannot unite worth a shat now. At least for longer than a month.
we need bacteria to improve our immune systems. wearing a mask is not common sense. do you wear one? if so do you wear it because you believe the virus can jump from someone else onto you?
Out of pennies? Ahh 'the virus' see you're making progress ;D. Among large crowds at enclosed stores yeh I wear one. No I know how that whole thing works. A mask is for others so you don't spritz all over them and common sense to negate or minimize it. Handle money you'll get all the bacteria you want. Someone coughs in your face, on your person..yeh things jump onto you.
you said pennies not me, you call it a virus yeh? i'm trying to work through your belief. i'll say god when referring to someones belief, doesn't make it real until prove though yeh? what sort of person coughs & spits over someone else? you don't catch disease that way anyway. you pick up bacteria from everyday life like your example of handling money or groceries that have been touched by many ungloved hands or mail & on & on. someone coughs in your face would be rude but it won't make you sick unless you have a weak immune system. so you believe if someone coughs on you a mask will keep the virus out?
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
There is some logic to exposure to certain things. One of the best treatments for a bug is herd immunity. If we have the antibodies to shit, be it from exposure or vaccine the bugs can’t flourish. There was a study done that children who grow up in houses with dogs tend to be more healthy as they grow because they are exposed to a vast amount of shit dog less houses don’t have. You can look up the study, I think it was done over twenty years.
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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walrus
There is some logic to exposure to certain things. One of the best treatments for a bug is herd immunity. If we have the antibodies to shit, be it from exposure or vaccine the bugs can’t flourish. There was a study done that children who grow up in houses with dogs tend to be more healthy as they grow because they are exposed to a vast amount of shit dog less houses don’t have. You can look up the study, I think it was done over twenty years.
vaccines put unnecessary poisons into your body. you believe in god yeh? do you think he makes mistakes? do you believe he created us so miraculously but fucked up with our immune system?
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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TIC
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walrus
There is some logic to exposure to certain things. One of the best treatments for a bug is herd immunity. If we have the antibodies to shit, be it from exposure or vaccine the bugs can’t flourish. There was a study done that children who grow up in houses with dogs tend to be more healthy as they grow because they are exposed to a vast amount of shit dog less houses don’t have. You can look up the study, I think it was done over twenty years.
vaccines put unnecessary poisons into your body. you believe in god yeh? do you think he makes mistakes? do you believe he created us so miraculously but fucked up with our immune system?
Is that a question to me
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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walrus
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TIC
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walrus
There is some logic to exposure to certain things. One of the best treatments for a bug is herd immunity. If we have the antibodies to shit, be it from exposure or vaccine the bugs can’t flourish. There was a study done that children who grow up in houses with dogs tend to be more healthy as they grow because they are exposed to a vast amount of shit dog less houses don’t have. You can look up the study, I think it was done over twenty years.
vaccines put unnecessary poisons into your body. you believe in god yeh? do you think he makes mistakes? do you believe he created us so miraculously but fucked up with our immune system?
Is that a question to me
it was but anyone who believes in god, your post was on point except for the vaccine part
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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TIC
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Spicoli
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TIC
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Spicoli
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walrus
I wonder if the US is going to end up like many Asian countries where it is very common to see a large amount of people walking around with masks. Granted part of the reason is the air quality. When I was in Nanking my eyes were burning from the pollutants but it is also due to the various virus floating around the country. Once this has passed, will we be a masks be a common site? Stores used to have signs saying no masks can be worn in the store, now you have to put them on. I am so glad I’m French
I think they will and have to say I'm glad the majority of locals are wearing them inside of businesses. The no masks allowed was one of the first things I thought of when they first started the DIY bandana masks around here. It is very common to see kids run around with bandanas around necks on heads in a pocket etc for as long as I can remember and to be honest those are the ones you give a second glance. I think masks in general will be the new norm and regardless of if you believe it's fact or you lick pennies and look for men in black trench coats under your bed..it's common sense and courtesy when among groups. Humans are nasty, think about all the snoting, wheezing and talking with our mouths full we do. We swap bacteria like it's going out of style. What gets lost and ignored is the mask isn't for you it's for the people you come across and vice a versa. If I see someone coughing in a store and they aren't masked up, now they get the second glance. We seemed to get that for the first few weeks on what was a unified front for the most part. This Country cannot unite worth a shat now. At least for longer than a month.
we need bacteria to improve our immune systems. wearing a mask is not common sense. do you wear one? if so do you wear it because you believe the virus can jump from someone else onto you?
Out of pennies? Ahh 'the virus' see you're making progress ;D. Among large crowds at enclosed stores yeh I wear one. No I know how that whole thing works. A mask is for others so you don't spritz all over them and common sense to negate or minimize it. Handle money you'll get all the bacteria you want. Someone coughs in your face, on your person..yeh things jump onto you.
you said pennies not me, you call it a virus yeh? i'm trying to work through your belief. i'll say god when referring to someones belief, doesn't make it real until prove though yeh? what sort of person coughs & spits over someone else? you don't catch disease that way anyway. you pick up bacteria from everyday life like your example of handling money or groceries that have been touched by many ungloved hands or mail & on & on. someone coughs in your face would be rude but it won't make you sick unless you have a weak immune system. so you believe if someone coughs on you a mask will keep the virus out?
That is some of the oddest verbiage..'trying to work through your belief' :cwm13:. People transfer fluids or droplets all the time in close quarters and we don't really know to what degree they make us sick or what they are exposing us to in actuality. I'll try this one more time though..a mask keeps you and a large degree..depending on the make..of your droplets- ?contaminations? off the next guy and items. If you're coming at it from Covid is a hoax it happens every day whatever than I get it, but there is no harm in taking responsible precautions.
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
TIC
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
TIC
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
walrus
I wonder if the US is going to end up like many Asian countries where it is very common to see a large amount of people walking around with masks. Granted part of the reason is the air quality. When I was in Nanking my eyes were burning from the pollutants but it is also due to the various virus floating around the country. Once this has passed, will we be a masks be a common site? Stores used to have signs saying no masks can be worn in the store, now you have to put them on. I am so glad I’m French
I think they will and have to say I'm glad the majority of locals are wearing them inside of businesses. The no masks allowed was one of the first things I thought of when they first started the DIY bandana masks around here. It is very common to see kids run around with bandanas around necks on heads in a pocket etc for as long as I can remember and to be honest those are the ones you give a second glance. I think masks in general will be the new norm and regardless of if you believe it's fact or you lick pennies and look for men in black trench coats under your bed..it's common sense and courtesy when among groups. Humans are nasty, think about all the snoting, wheezing and talking with our mouths full we do. We swap bacteria like it's going out of style. What gets lost and ignored is the mask isn't for you it's for the people you come across and vice a versa. If I see someone coughing in a store and they aren't masked up, now they get the second glance. We seemed to get that for the first few weeks on what was a unified front for the most part. This Country cannot unite worth a shat now. At least for longer than a month.
we need bacteria to improve our immune systems. wearing a mask is not common sense. do you wear one? if so do you wear it because you believe the virus can jump from someone else onto you?
Out of pennies? Ahh 'the virus' see you're making progress ;D. Among large crowds at enclosed stores yeh I wear one. No I know how that whole thing works. A mask is for others so you don't spritz all over them and common sense to negate or minimize it. Handle money you'll get all the bacteria you want. Someone coughs in your face, on your person..yeh things jump onto you.
you said pennies not me, you call it a virus yeh? i'm trying to work through your belief. i'll say god when referring to someones belief, doesn't make it real until prove though yeh? what sort of person coughs & spits over someone else? you don't catch disease that way anyway. you pick up bacteria from everyday life like your example of handling money or groceries that have been touched by many ungloved hands or mail & on & on. someone coughs in your face would be rude but it won't make you sick unless you have a weak immune system. so you believe if someone coughs on you a mask will keep the virus out?
That is some of the oddest verbiage..'trying to work through your belief' :cwm13:. People transfer fluids or droplets all the time in close quarters and we don't really know to what degree they make us sick or what they are exposing us to in actuality. I'll try this one more time though..a mask keeps
you and a large degree..depending on the make..of your droplets- ?contaminations? off the next guy and items. If you're coming at it from Covid is a hoax it happens every day whatever than I get it, but there is no harm in taking responsible precautions.
the virus is your belief yeh? not mine, when the two of us are discussing it. have you ever been around those that have a cold or a whole household where someone is sick? not everyone gets sick yeh? so if disease was spreading this way, everyone would get sick. so without a mask you believe droplets, contamination could get on the next guy & items & make them sick through their mouth & nose?
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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Originally Posted by
TIC
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
TIC
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
TIC
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
walrus
I wonder if the US is going to end up like many Asian countries where it is very common to see a large amount of people walking around with masks. Granted part of the reason is the air quality. When I was in Nanking my eyes were burning from the pollutants but it is also due to the various virus floating around the country. Once this has passed, will we be a masks be a common site? Stores used to have signs saying no masks can be worn in the store, now you have to put them on. I am so glad I’m French
I think they will and have to say I'm glad the majority of locals are wearing them inside of businesses. The no masks allowed was one of the first things I thought of when they first started the DIY bandana masks around here. It is very common to see kids run around with bandanas around necks on heads in a pocket etc for as long as I can remember and to be honest those are the ones you give a second glance. I think masks in general will be the new norm and regardless of if you believe it's fact or you lick pennies and look for men in black trench coats under your bed..it's common sense and courtesy when among groups. Humans are nasty, think about all the snoting, wheezing and talking with our mouths full we do. We swap bacteria like it's going out of style. What gets lost and ignored is the mask isn't for you it's for the people you come across and vice a versa. If I see someone coughing in a store and they aren't masked up, now they get the second glance. We seemed to get that for the first few weeks on what was a unified front for the most part. This Country cannot unite worth a shat now. At least for longer than a month.
we need bacteria to improve our immune systems. wearing a mask is not common sense. do you wear one? if so do you wear it because you believe the virus can jump from someone else onto you?
Out of pennies? Ahh 'the virus' see you're making progress ;D. Among large crowds at enclosed stores yeh I wear one. No I know how that whole thing works. A mask is for others so you don't spritz all over them and common sense to negate or minimize it. Handle money you'll get all the bacteria you want. Someone coughs in your face, on your person..yeh things jump onto you.
you said pennies not me, you call it a virus yeh? i'm trying to work through your belief. i'll say god when referring to someones belief, doesn't make it real until prove though yeh? what sort of person coughs & spits over someone else? you don't catch disease that way anyway. you pick up bacteria from everyday life like your example of handling money or groceries that have been touched by many ungloved hands or mail & on & on. someone coughs in your face would be rude but it won't make you sick unless you have a weak immune system. so you believe if someone coughs on you a mask will keep the virus out?
That is some of the oddest verbiage..'trying to work through your belief' :cwm13:. People transfer fluids or droplets all the time in close quarters and we don't really know to what degree they make us sick or what they are exposing us to in actuality. I'll try this one more time though..a mask keeps
you and a large degree..depending on the make..of your droplets- ?contaminations? off the next guy and items. If you're coming at it from Covid is a hoax it happens every day whatever than I get it, but there is no harm in taking responsible precautions.
the virus is your belief yeh? not mine, when the two of us are discussing it. have you ever been around those that have a cold or a whole household where someone is sick? not everyone gets sick yeh? so if disease was spreading this way, everyone would get sick. so without a mask you believe droplets, contamination could get on the next guy & items & make them sick through their mouth & nose?
Brother you have a great way of going in circles. It's common knowledge colds and illness can circulate in closed common quarters. If I can reframe from coughing and sneezing on you directly or indirectly exposing you to whatever I may carry then I will. You're welcome and doing in kind will be appreciated. Simple as. Done spinning circles, have a great day.
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
TIC
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
TIC
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
TIC
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
walrus
I wonder if the US is going to end up like many Asian countries where it is very common to see a large amount of people walking around with masks. Granted part of the reason is the air quality. When I was in Nanking my eyes were burning from the pollutants but it is also due to the various virus floating around the country. Once this has passed, will we be a masks be a common site? Stores used to have signs saying no masks can be worn in the store, now you have to put them on. I am so glad I’m French
I think they will and have to say I'm glad the majority of locals are wearing them inside of businesses. The no masks allowed was one of the first things I thought of when they first started the DIY bandana masks around here. It is very common to see kids run around with bandanas around necks on heads in a pocket etc for as long as I can remember and to be honest those are the ones you give a second glance. I think masks in general will be the new norm and regardless of if you believe it's fact or you lick pennies and look for men in black trench coats under your bed..it's common sense and courtesy when among groups. Humans are nasty, think about all the snoting, wheezing and talking with our mouths full we do. We swap bacteria like it's going out of style. What gets lost and ignored is the mask isn't for you it's for the people you come across and vice a versa. If I see someone coughing in a store and they aren't masked up, now they get the second glance. We seemed to get that for the first few weeks on what was a unified front for the most part. This Country cannot unite worth a shat now. At least for longer than a month.
we need bacteria to improve our immune systems. wearing a mask is not common sense. do you wear one? if so do you wear it because you believe the virus can jump from someone else onto you?
Out of pennies? Ahh 'the virus' see you're making progress ;D. Among large crowds at enclosed stores yeh I wear one. No I know how that whole thing works. A mask is for others so you don't spritz all over them and common sense to negate or minimize it. Handle money you'll get all the bacteria you want. Someone coughs in your face, on your person..yeh things jump onto you.
you said pennies not me, you call it a virus yeh? i'm trying to work through your belief. i'll say god when referring to someones belief, doesn't make it real until prove though yeh? what sort of person coughs & spits over someone else? you don't catch disease that way anyway. you pick up bacteria from everyday life like your example of handling money or groceries that have been touched by many ungloved hands or mail & on & on. someone coughs in your face would be rude but it won't make you sick unless you have a weak immune system. so you believe if someone coughs on you a mask will keep the virus out?
That is some of the oddest verbiage..'trying to work through your belief' :cwm13:. People transfer fluids or droplets all the time in close quarters and we don't really know to what degree they make us sick or what they are exposing us to in actuality. I'll try this one more time though..a mask keeps
you and a large degree..depending on the make..of your droplets- ?contaminations? off the next guy and items. If you're coming at it from Covid is a hoax it happens every day whatever than I get it, but there is no harm in taking responsible precautions.
the virus is your belief yeh? not mine, when the two of us are discussing it. have you ever been around those that have a cold or a whole household where someone is sick? not everyone gets sick yeh? so if disease was spreading this way, everyone would get sick. so without a mask you believe droplets, contamination could get on the next guy & items & make them sick through their mouth & nose?
Brother you have a great way of going in circles. It's common knowledge colds and illness can circulate in closed common quarters. If I can reframe from coughing and sneezing on you directly or indirectly exposing you to whatever I may carry then I will. You're welcome and doing in kind will be appreciated. Simple as. Done spinning circles, have a great day.
you are deceptive in your answers so i ask for clarification. not everyone gets sick in those closed common quarters though do they? why? i haven't been sick in twelve years since improving my immune system. coughing & sneezing directly on someone is rude & an exaggeration on your part. if i don't wear a mask & breathe as i normally do, do you believe i can transfer a virus to someone else through the air or other surfaces & if they are wearing a mask will it stop them from getting it? don't run now cowboy
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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TIC
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walrus
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TIC
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walrus
There is some logic to exposure to certain things. One of the best treatments for a bug is herd immunity. If we have the antibodies to shit, be it from exposure or vaccine the bugs can’t flourish. There was a study done that children who grow up in houses with dogs tend to be more healthy as they grow because they are exposed to a vast amount of shit dog less houses don’t have. You can look up the study, I think it was done over twenty years.
vaccines put unnecessary poisons into your body. you believe in god yeh? do you think he makes mistakes? do you believe he created us so miraculously but fucked up with our immune system?
Is that a question to me
it was but anyone who believes in god, your post was on point except for the vaccine part
Well thanks for approving some of it. If you talk to miles you will find most Frenchmen, like me, have high IQ’s
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
Deceptive. Where exactly? You read what you want not what is written. And why is it an exaggeration to point out that direct OR indirect coughing is a way to transfer???. Is that not a possibility?
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBWWqCYDyHw
Also, Sweden seems to have done it without locking everyone up as did many other countries including here. What are you going to do when you have decimated your economy? It is stupid. People are welcoming their own enslavement. The government does not have the right to make you stay in your home.
They found of the dead here about 97% had existing conditions and the average age was about 77. Just saying. Not many died.
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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Spicoli
Deceptive. Where exactly? You read what you want not what is written. And why is it an exaggeration to point out that direct OR indirect coughing is a way to transfer???. Is that not a possibility?
you say stuff like "No I know how that whole thing works". how what whole thing works? i was asking if you believed the virus can jump from someone else onto you, you admit that you don't really know to what degree they make us sick or what they are exposing us to in actuality & it is proven that just because someone is exposed to a certain disease does not mean they will be infected by it, the household with someone sick & not all getting it as an example, me around sick work mates, ask gandalf if any of his students have ever had a cold around him & if he got sick. i'm saying coughing & sneezing directly on other people is an exaggeration. i'm not sure what sort of people you hang around with but that never happens in my everyday life. people cough & sneeze in my vicinity, most will cover their mouths, not all do, kids are the worst & the disease doesn't transfer to me
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
Why the contentiousness about this virus, TIC? (and to some extent..... Gandalf)
At the end of the day, isn't my right to wear a mask and keep social distancing if I so choose just as important as your choice not to wear one?
And yet.... if we were in close proximity and I felt uncomfortable with not keeping social distancing.... would you not respect those wishes?
Recent anecdote.....
I was at the Post Office recently, and everyone was cooperating with the wearing of the facemasks and keeping to the lines marked on the floor. Everyone but this one dude who insisted on getting up on people in line. I guess he was kind of in a hurry, and couldn't be bothered with rules. He said he "only needed to buy a stamp" and was quite impatient. He wasn't wearing a mask, either. At one point he coughed. Probably meaningless..... but again..... I choose to follow social distancing guidelines, as is my right to do so. Nobody's keeping me at home..... nobody is keeping me from doing my business. At one point the guy comes up to me to ask a question. Already a bit annoyed at the one fool in every line who doesn't know how to behave, I kindly asked him to keep his distance. Fortunately, the guy realized he was being kind of an ass, and backed off and back into his spot on the line. At one point a guy already at the counter saw what was going on, and mercifully bought a stamp to give to the impatient bloke. He thanked the guy.... and off he went. There was a general sigh of relief from the people in line.
It doesn't matter whether you want to believe in anything or not.
It boils down to your rights versus mine. As long as our rights do not infringe on one another, everything should be cool. As soon as you want to impose your rights on mine...... that's a different story.
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Why the contentiousness about this virus, TIC? (and to some extent..... Gandalf)
At the end of the day, isn't my right to wear a mask and keep social distancing if I so choose just as important as your choice not to wear one?
And yet.... if we were in close proximity and I felt uncomfortable with not keeping social distancing.... would you not respect those wishes?
Recent anecdote.....
I was at the Post Office recently, and everyone was cooperating with the wearing of the facemasks and keeping to the lines marked on the floor. Everyone but this one dude who insisted on getting up on people in line. I guess he was kind of in a hurry, and couldn't be bothered with rules. He said he "only needed to buy a stamp" and was quite impatient. He wasn't wearing a mask, either. At one point he coughed. Probably meaningless..... but again..... I choose to follow social distancing guidelines, as is my right to do so. Nobody's keeping me at home..... nobody is keeping me from doing my business. At one point the guy comes up to me to ask a question. Already a bit annoyed at the one fool in every line who doesn't know how to behave, I kindly asked him to keep his distance. Fortunately, the guy realized he was being kind of an ass, and backed off and back into his spot on the line. At one point a guy already at the counter saw what was going on, and mercifully bought a stamp to give to the impatient bloke. He thanked the guy.... and off he went. There was a general sigh of relief from the people in line.
It doesn't matter whether you want to believe in anything or not.
It boils down to your rights versus mine. As long as our rights do not infringe on one another, everything should be cool. As soon as you want to impose your rights on mine...... that's a different story.
you are free to wear whatever you want, it's when it becomes mandatory that theres a problem. i will live free. if i am standing close to you am i harming you? you would need to prove your belief. if you don't want people near you stay at home. your fears don't over rule other peoples freedoms. order followers are the cause of slavery
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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Originally Posted by
TIC
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TitoFan
Why the contentiousness about this virus, TIC? (and to some extent..... Gandalf)
At the end of the day, isn't my right to wear a mask and keep social distancing if I so choose just as important as your choice not to wear one?
And yet.... if we were in close proximity and I felt uncomfortable with not keeping social distancing.... would you not respect those wishes?
Recent anecdote.....
I was at the Post Office recently, and everyone was cooperating with the wearing of the facemasks and keeping to the lines marked on the floor. Everyone but this one dude who insisted on getting up on people in line. I guess he was kind of in a hurry, and couldn't be bothered with rules. He said he "only needed to buy a stamp" and was quite impatient. He wasn't wearing a mask, either. At one point he coughed. Probably meaningless..... but again..... I choose to follow social distancing guidelines, as is my right to do so. Nobody's keeping me at home..... nobody is keeping me from doing my business. At one point the guy comes up to me to ask a question. Already a bit annoyed at the one fool in every line who doesn't know how to behave, I kindly asked him to keep his distance. Fortunately, the guy realized he was being kind of an ass, and backed off and back into his spot on the line. At one point a guy already at the counter saw what was going on, and mercifully bought a stamp to give to the impatient bloke. He thanked the guy.... and off he went. There was a general sigh of relief from the people in line.
It doesn't matter whether you want to believe in anything or not.
It boils down to your rights versus mine. As long as our rights do not infringe on one another, everything should be cool. As soon as you want to impose your rights on mine...... that's a different story.
you are free to wear whatever you want, it's when it becomes mandatory that theres a problem. i will live free. if i am standing close to you am i harming you? you would need to prove your belief. if you don't want people near you stay at home. your fears don't over rule other peoples freedoms. order followers are the cause of slavery
I think if a business owner asks that you wear a mask in his establishment, it is you that can make a choice to either wear one or stay out.
If there's a line at a shop and you're asked to keep social distance and you don't, it is again your choice... just as it's the shop owner's right to ask you to leave.
When you were just complaining about having to stay home, it was more understandable.
If it was just a matter of rights, it would be one thing. But IMO, your attitude borders on rebelliousness and wanting to buck the system. My rights are still just as important as yours.
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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Originally Posted by
TIC
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Spicoli
Deceptive. Where exactly? You read what you want not what is written. And why is it an exaggeration to point out that direct OR indirect coughing is a way to transfer???. Is that not a possibility?
you say stuff like "No I know how that whole thing works". how what whole thing works? i was asking if you believed the virus can jump from someone else onto you, you admit that you don't really know to what degree they make us sick or what they are exposing us to in actuality & it is proven that just because someone is exposed to a certain disease does not mean they will be infected by it, the household with someone sick & not all getting it as an example, me around sick work mates, ask gandalf if any of his students have ever had a cold around him & if he got sick. i'm saying coughing & sneezing directly on other people is an exaggeration. i'm not sure what sort of people you hang around with but that never happens in my everyday life. people cough & sneeze in my vicinity, most will cover their mouths, not all do, kids are the worst & the disease doesn't transfer to me
But you don't 'know' either. None of it. What a given individual has been exposed to..what they carry..what their family members carry..the immune systems of them..who was in the exact location prior..none of it. So yeh in this climate it's common sense to take precautions.
If you're gonna throw around deceptive you really do need to have that zeroed in and/or hone up reading comprehension. Given your base question of 'do you wear one? if so do you wear it because you believe the virus can jump from someone else onto you?'
"....yeh I wear one. No I know how that whole thing works. A mask is for others so you don't spritz all over them and common sense to negate or minimize it. Handle money you'll get all the bacteria you want. Someone coughs in your face, on your person..yeh things jump onto you.."
two questions..two yeh answers and explanation why I wear one. No deception fella. Seems pretty clear but down the rabbit hole you run.
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Re: Cooking the Books on Covid-19?
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TIC
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Why the contentiousness about this virus, TIC? (and to some extent..... Gandalf)
At the end of the day, isn't my right to wear a mask and keep social distancing if I so choose just as important as your choice not to wear one?
And yet.... if we were in close proximity and I felt uncomfortable with not keeping social distancing.... would you not respect those wishes?
Recent anecdote.....
I was at the Post Office recently, and everyone was cooperating with the wearing of the facemasks and keeping to the lines marked on the floor. Everyone but this one dude who insisted on getting up on people in line. I guess he was kind of in a hurry, and couldn't be bothered with rules. He said he "only needed to buy a stamp" and was quite impatient. He wasn't wearing a mask, either. At one point he coughed. Probably meaningless..... but again..... I choose to follow social distancing guidelines, as is my right to do so. Nobody's keeping me at home..... nobody is keeping me from doing my business. At one point the guy comes up to me to ask a question. Already a bit annoyed at the one fool in every line who doesn't know how to behave, I kindly asked him to keep his distance. Fortunately, the guy realized he was being kind of an ass, and backed off and back into his spot on the line. At one point a guy already at the counter saw what was going on, and mercifully bought a stamp to give to the impatient bloke. He thanked the guy.... and off he went. There was a general sigh of relief from the people in line.
It doesn't matter whether you want to believe in anything or not.
It boils down to your rights versus mine. As long as our rights do not infringe on one another, everything should be cool. As soon as you want to impose your rights on mine...... that's a different story.
you are free to wear whatever you want, it's when it becomes mandatory that theres a problem. i will live free. if i am standing close to you am i harming you? you would need to prove your belief. if you don't want people near you stay at home. your fears don't over rule other peoples freedoms. order followers are the cause of slavery
I think if a business owner asks that you wear a mask in his establishment, it is you that can make a choice to either wear one or stay out.
If there's a line at a shop and you're asked to keep social distance and you don't, it is again your choice... just as it's the shop owner's right to ask you to leave.
When you were just complaining about having to stay home, it was more understandable.
If it was just a matter of rights, it would be one thing. But IMO, your attitude borders on rebelliousness and wanting to buck the system. My rights are still just as important as yours.
a business is private property & if that is their rules to wear a mask i will shop elsewhere, if they require six feet distancing i have no problem with that. what if i'm surfing or at a park with no one else around? should that still apply? no everywhere is the same as where you live. you didn't answer if i would be harming you, because you know you can't prove it & it is just your belief, you just feel because your belief is backed by thugs that is over rules my rights
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Spicoli
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TIC
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Spicoli
Deceptive. Where exactly? You read what you want not what is written. And why is it an exaggeration to point out that direct OR indirect coughing is a way to transfer???. Is that not a possibility?
you say stuff like "No I know how that whole thing works". how what whole thing works? i was asking if you believed the virus can jump from someone else onto you, you admit that you don't really know to what degree they make us sick or what they are exposing us to in actuality & it is proven that just because someone is exposed to a certain disease does not mean they will be infected by it, the household with someone sick & not all getting it as an example, me around sick work mates, ask gandalf if any of his students have ever had a cold around him & if he got sick. i'm saying coughing & sneezing directly on other people is an exaggeration. i'm not sure what sort of people you hang around with but that never happens in my everyday life. people cough & sneeze in my vicinity, most will cover their mouths, not all do, kids are the worst & the disease doesn't transfer to me
But you don't 'know' either. None of it. What a given individual has been exposed to..what they carry..what their family members carry..the immune systems of them..who was in the exact location prior..none of it. So yeh in this climate it's common sense to take precautions.
If you're gonna throw around deceptive you really do need to have that zeroed in and/or hone up reading comprehension. Given your base question of 'do you wear one? if so do you wear it because you believe the virus can jump from someone else onto you?'
"....
yeh I wear one. No I know how that whole thing works. A mask is for others so you don't spritz all over them and common sense to negate or minimize it. Handle money you'll get all the bacteria you want.
Someone coughs in your face, on your person..yeh things jump onto you.."
two questions..two yeh answers and explanation why I wear one. No deception fella. Seems pretty clear but down the rabbit hole you run.
i'm not the one saying it's real. you believe it is, then prove it. people get sick because of their weak immune systems. if someone has a compromised immune system they shouldn't be going out, health is the responsibility of the person. so what was it that you know how that whole thing works? so if someone coughs on you & they had the virus it would get on you but the mask can stop it?
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I am not sure what you are referring to me for on the mask issue Tito. I have masks and wear them. I social distance. I respect the rights of anyone around me.
My issue is stopping healthy people from leaving their homes or earning a living. That is going to potentially destroy them far more than a virus that has a 1 in 240 chance of hurting them. It is still in the moment, but there is going to be a very big economic shock and all those who pushed this that rely on health care systems etc that are funded by a productive economy are in for a very big shock when those services inevitably decline and their children are saddled with huge debts.
Tracking devices for instance. That's the back door to a Chinese model and that is to be rejected at all costs. It is a balance between preserving the economy and individual freedoms. This went too far and there will be consequences to that. If as in Sweden it was shown that you did not need to shut down all small service businesses, then the policies of the other countries were by nature poor policies and then you have to ask 'Was it intentional?'
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I am not sure what you are referring to me for on the mask issue Tito. I have masks and wear them. I social distance. I respect the rights of anyone around me.
My issue is stopping healthy people from leaving their homes or earning a living. That is going to potentially destroy them far more than a virus that has a 1 in 240 chance of hurting them. It is still in the moment, but there is going to be a very big economic shock and all those who pushed this that rely on health care systems etc that are funded by a productive economy are in for a very big shock when those services inevitably decline and their children are saddled with huge debts.
Tracking devices for instance. That's the back door to a Chinese model and that is to be rejected at all costs. It is a balance between preserving the economy and individual freedoms. This went too far and there will be consequences to that. If as in Sweden it was shown that you did not need to shut down all small service businesses, then the policies of the other countries were by nature poor policies and then you have to ask 'Was it intentional?'
hey gandalf, if you don't mind could i ask why you wear the mask? do you believe that if someone has covid 19 it can jump from them & infect you?
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TIC
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Gandalf
I am not sure what you are referring to me for on the mask issue Tito. I have masks and wear them. I social distance. I respect the rights of anyone around me.
My issue is stopping healthy people from leaving their homes or earning a living. That is going to potentially destroy them far more than a virus that has a 1 in 240 chance of hurting them. It is still in the moment, but there is going to be a very big economic shock and all those who pushed this that rely on health care systems etc that are funded by a productive economy are in for a very big shock when those services inevitably decline and their children are saddled with huge debts.
Tracking devices for instance. That's the back door to a Chinese model and that is to be rejected at all costs. It is a balance between preserving the economy and individual freedoms. This went too far and there will be consequences to that. If as in Sweden it was shown that you did not need to shut down all small service businesses, then the policies of the other countries were by nature poor policies and then you have to ask 'Was it intentional?'
hey gandalf, if you don't mind could i ask why you wear the mask? do you believe that if someone has covid 19 it can jump from them & infect you?
I believe it is infectious, but with so few cases now, the need for masks is almost over. I think it is contagious and for some very risky, but I do not fear for myself. It is hard to get infected if nobody has it.
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TIC
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Gandalf
I am not sure what you are referring to me for on the mask issue Tito. I have masks and wear them. I social distance. I respect the rights of anyone around me.
My issue is stopping healthy people from leaving their homes or earning a living. That is going to potentially destroy them far more than a virus that has a 1 in 240 chance of hurting them. It is still in the moment, but there is going to be a very big economic shock and all those who pushed this that rely on health care systems etc that are funded by a productive economy are in for a very big shock when those services inevitably decline and their children are saddled with huge debts.
Tracking devices for instance. That's the back door to a Chinese model and that is to be rejected at all costs. It is a balance between preserving the economy and individual freedoms. This went too far and there will be consequences to that. If as in Sweden it was shown that you did not need to shut down all small service businesses, then the policies of the other countries were by nature poor policies and then you have to ask 'Was it intentional?'
hey gandalf, if you don't mind could i ask why you wear the mask? do you believe that if someone has covid 19 it can jump from them & infect you?
I believe it is infectious, but with so few cases now, the need for masks is almost over. I think it is contagious and for some very risky, but I do not fear for myself. It is hard to get infected if nobody has it.
thank you for answering honestly. so you believe the mask will stop it infecting you or just prolong you getting infected?
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I think masking up reduces your ability to transmit or get a virus. We use masks in all kinds of areas be it medicine, dentistry, and others. Even during the Spanish Flu period people were masked up. It makes sense to try and block virus transmission. However, if you are leaving your eyes uncovered too, then you are not considering all eventualities.
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I think masking up reduces your ability to transmit or get a virus. We use masks in all kinds of areas be it medicine, dentistry, and others. Even during the Spanish Flu period people were masked up. It makes sense to try and block virus transmission. However, if you are leaving your eyes uncovered too, then you are not considering all eventualities.
i'm glad you brought up the eyes, would a virus also not be small enough to travel through a mask? also if covid 19 was real would it not be better for someone like yourself, who sounds in pretty good health & age to get it & recover from it?
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It seems to be about the amount of the virus. If you get a full splash of pure energetic sneeze, then without a mask, you are absorbing much of that. I think the mask helps, but still particles will get through and if your eyes are slightly above and wide open, then you are still getting hit with it.
That's a fair question about getting it, so I would argue that recovering from a small amount is probably easier than recovering from a heavy splash. It's like with a hangover, why drink 3 bottles of wine when a glass will suffice? Sure you can build up good tolerance with the heavy drinking, but it probably isn't much fun.
You never quite know, I may have had it and not known, but I certainly don't make any song or dance about being sicker than ever before like some as I have not been sick. I mentioned being around sick, sneezy people a lot and I haven't got sick, but that doesn't mean I have not been hit with their particles. It is just that my body did not respond to them.
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TitoFan
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TIC
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TitoFan
Why the contentiousness about this virus, TIC? (and to some extent..... Gandalf)
At the end of the day, isn't my right to wear a mask and keep social distancing if I so choose just as important as your choice not to wear one?
And yet.... if we were in close proximity and I felt uncomfortable with not keeping social distancing.... would you not respect those wishes?
Recent anecdote.....
I was at the Post Office recently, and everyone was cooperating with the wearing of the facemasks and keeping to the lines marked on the floor. Everyone but this one dude who insisted on getting up on people in line. I guess he was kind of in a hurry, and couldn't be bothered with rules. He said he "only needed to buy a stamp" and was quite impatient. He wasn't wearing a mask, either. At one point he coughed. Probably meaningless..... but again..... I choose to follow social distancing guidelines, as is my right to do so. Nobody's keeping me at home..... nobody is keeping me from doing my business. At one point the guy comes up to me to ask a question. Already a bit annoyed at the one fool in every line who doesn't know how to behave, I kindly asked him to keep his distance. Fortunately, the guy realized he was being kind of an ass, and backed off and back into his spot on the line. At one point a guy already at the counter saw what was going on, and mercifully bought a stamp to give to the impatient bloke. He thanked the guy.... and off he went. There was a general sigh of relief from the people in line.
It doesn't matter whether you want to believe in anything or not.
It boils down to your rights versus mine. As long as our rights do not infringe on one another, everything should be cool. As soon as you want to impose your rights on mine...... that's a different story.
you are free to wear whatever you want, it's when it becomes mandatory that theres a problem. i will live free. if i am standing close to you am i harming you? you would need to prove your belief. if you don't want people near you stay at home. your fears don't over rule other peoples freedoms. order followers are the cause of slavery
I think if a business owner asks that you wear a mask in his establishment, it is you that can make a choice to either wear one or stay out.
If there's a line at a shop and you're asked to keep social distance and you don't, it is again your choice... just as it's the shop owner's right to ask you to leave.
When you were just complaining about having to stay home, it was more understandable.
If it was just a matter of rights, it would be one thing. But IMO, your attitude borders on rebelliousness and wanting to buck the system. My rights are still just as important as yours.
a business is private property & if that is their rules to wear a mask i will shop elsewhere, if they require six feet distancing i have no problem with that. what if i'm surfing or at a park with no one else around? should that still apply? no everywhere is the same as where you live. you didn't answer if i would be harming you, because you know you can't prove it & it is just your belief, you just feel because your belief is backed by thugs that is over rules my rights
If your respecting my rights is predicated upon my "having to prove" anything to you......... we would have a serious problem.
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I am not sure what you are referring to me for on the mask issue Tito. I have masks and wear them. I social distance. I respect the rights of anyone around me.
My issue is stopping healthy people from leaving their homes or earning a living. That is going to potentially destroy them far more than a virus that has a 1 in 240 chance of hurting them. It is still in the moment, but there is going to be a very big economic shock and all those who pushed this that rely on health care systems etc that are funded by a productive economy are in for a very big shock when those services inevitably decline and their children are saddled with huge debts.
Tracking devices for instance. That's the back door to a Chinese model and that is to be rejected at all costs. It is a balance between preserving the economy and individual freedoms. This went too far and there will be consequences to that. If as in Sweden it was shown that you did not need to shut down all small service businesses, then the policies of the other countries were by nature poor policies and then you have to ask 'Was it intentional?'
I apologize if I grouped you and TIC together. Clearly the bolded statement is something TIC would never say.
It's a bit of a fine line between believing something and trying to shove your beliefs at others. And that door swings both ways.
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TitoFan
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TIC
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TitoFan
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TIC
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Why the contentiousness about this virus, TIC? (and to some extent..... Gandalf)
At the end of the day, isn't my right to wear a mask and keep social distancing if I so choose just as important as your choice not to wear one?
And yet.... if we were in close proximity and I felt uncomfortable with not keeping social distancing.... would you not respect those wishes?
Recent anecdote.....
I was at the Post Office recently, and everyone was cooperating with the wearing of the facemasks and keeping to the lines marked on the floor. Everyone but this one dude who insisted on getting up on people in line. I guess he was kind of in a hurry, and couldn't be bothered with rules. He said he "only needed to buy a stamp" and was quite impatient. He wasn't wearing a mask, either. At one point he coughed. Probably meaningless..... but again..... I choose to follow social distancing guidelines, as is my right to do so. Nobody's keeping me at home..... nobody is keeping me from doing my business. At one point the guy comes up to me to ask a question. Already a bit annoyed at the one fool in every line who doesn't know how to behave, I kindly asked him to keep his distance. Fortunately, the guy realized he was being kind of an ass, and backed off and back into his spot on the line. At one point a guy already at the counter saw what was going on, and mercifully bought a stamp to give to the impatient bloke. He thanked the guy.... and off he went. There was a general sigh of relief from the people in line.
It doesn't matter whether you want to believe in anything or not.
It boils down to your rights versus mine. As long as our rights do not infringe on one another, everything should be cool. As soon as you want to impose your rights on mine...... that's a different story.
you are free to wear whatever you want, it's when it becomes mandatory that theres a problem. i will live free. if i am standing close to you am i harming you? you would need to prove your belief. if you don't want people near you stay at home. your fears don't over rule other peoples freedoms. order followers are the cause of slavery
I think if a business owner asks that you wear a mask in his establishment, it is you that can make a choice to either wear one or stay out.
If there's a line at a shop and you're asked to keep social distance and you don't, it is again your choice... just as it's the shop owner's right to ask you to leave.
When you were just complaining about having to stay home, it was more understandable.
If it was just a matter of rights, it would be one thing. But IMO, your attitude borders on rebelliousness and wanting to buck the system. My rights are still just as important as yours.
a business is private property & if that is their rules to wear a mask i will shop elsewhere, if they require six feet distancing i have no problem with that. what if i'm surfing or at a park with no one else around? should that still apply? no everywhere is the same as where you live. you didn't answer if i would be harming you, because you know you can't prove it & it is just your belief, you just feel because your belief is backed by thugs that is over rules my rights
If your respecting my rights is predicated upon my "having to prove" anything to you......... we would have a serious problem.
lets do a thought experiment, it is this time last year & i am standing about a foot or two from you, not disturbing you & not close enough to be within your personal space anything wrong with that? course not. but now because you have a belief & fear of something that the thugs in control are pushing & the mindless are buying you have an issue. nothing there is going against your rights, just against your fears & beliefs. i guess you agree with the salem witch trials where fear & beliefs lead to them being found guilty & many executed. what if i'm the business owner & i want to refuse anyone from entering with a mask on, because i want to be able to identify someone if something gets stolen, or if i want to stay open to anyone who wants to use their freewill & take responsibility for their own health & use my services? a year ago you would have no issue, now because of your fear & belief you do. i think it's fair to ask for proof & as we see the lies being brought to light more & more each day i don't think it's unreasonable. the removal of peoples freedoms is unreasonable. taking away peoples freedoms always leads to more death
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Gandalf
I am not sure what you are referring to me for on the mask issue Tito. I have masks and wear them. I social distance. I respect the rights of anyone around me.
My issue is stopping healthy people from leaving their homes or earning a living. That is going to potentially destroy them far more than a virus that has a 1 in 240 chance of hurting them. It is still in the moment, but there is going to be a very big economic shock and all those who pushed this that rely on health care systems etc that are funded by a productive economy are in for a very big shock when those services inevitably decline and their children are saddled with huge debts.
Tracking devices for instance. That's the back door to a Chinese model and that is to be rejected at all costs. It is a balance between preserving the economy and individual freedoms. This went too far and there will be consequences to that. If as in Sweden it was shown that you did not need to shut down all small service businesses, then the policies of the other countries were by nature poor policies and then you have to ask 'Was it intentional?'
I apologize if I grouped you and TIC together. Clearly the bolded statement is something TIC would never say.
It's a bit of a fine line between believing something and trying to shove your beliefs at others. And that door swings both ways.
you highlighted part of the second paragraph, i have been saying that from the beginning. they have made healthy people afraid of healthy people
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It seems to be about the amount of the virus. If you get a full splash of pure energetic sneeze, then without a mask, you are absorbing much of that. I think the mask helps, but still particles will get through and if your eyes are slightly above and wide open, then you are still getting hit with it.
That's a fair question about getting it, so I would argue that recovering from a small amount is probably easier than recovering from a heavy splash. It's like with a hangover, why drink 3 bottles of wine when a glass will suffice? Sure you can build up good tolerance with the heavy drinking, but it probably isn't much fun.
You never quite know, I may have had it and not known, but I certainly don't make any song or dance about being sicker than ever before like some as I have not been sick. I mentioned being around sick, sneezy people a lot and I haven't got sick, but that doesn't mean I have not been hit with their particles. It is just that my body did not respond to them.
what sort of people are you guys hanging out with? people coughing & sneezing on you? that rarely happens in my everyday life, my nieces are young & are terrible at covering their mouths when coughing or sneezing but even they never do it on purpose or directly at me. if a virus was in the air it would get through the material of a mask & especially into your eyes. the best way to get over a sickness is by building up an immunity to it. you & i disagree on how we get disease but our experiences along with millions of others, households where one person has a cold but no one else gets it or work places shows that the immune system is the key
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Paul Joseph Watson always showing hypocrisy for what it is. Doctors wasting equipment, pissing about, and cancer patients left dying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCc2JsAUkwU
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PJW make up things as he goes along whatever fits the narative at the time
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PJW make up things as he goes along whatever fits the narative at the time
Well said
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PJW make up things as he goes along whatever fits the narative at the time
Really? Who did you vote for? Macron? LePen? Mugabe?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBXZhFekv6Q
total horror coming for the USA - yes, please open up!!!! go to bars!!!! movie theatres!!! malls!!! restaurants!!!! I beg all you hillbillies.
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it's alright, we'll getting dancing nurses for all the horror. stay hiding inside coward
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I don't think you like America.
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Be careful people who wish that on others usually are the ones who end up with it. It’s bad karma
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This is scientific accurate projection, not wish. Arrogant, self-entitle Americans think nobody/nothing can do them anything. No need for masks or societal distancing. It's all just a fake virus. Right? No problem then, OK, let them go out and be the guinea pigs. See ya in 21 days. How'd that work out for ya?
