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Originally Posted by Spicoli
Texas Governor threw the doors wide open a few weeks ago. Zero compacity restrictions, no mask mandates and left up to local venues, Counties etc. To them..it's all over. Promoters love no limits. Until the next surge. Made some happy made some pissed but Federal Gov can just 'suggest and request' reconsideration.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Only in America!
‘FIGHTING WORDS’ — CANELO-SAUNDERS, COVID-19, AND 70,000 FANS IN A STADIUM
https://www.ringtv.com/620264-fighti...-in-a-stadium/
Both these 2 should have the nickname " Juice"
i wouldnt dwell on it, boxing isnt exactly a sport of gentlemen is itQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
there are bad men and cheats at every turn
Canelo has all the boxes checked, stronger, skilled, durable, his backyard. Saunders should go for broke since he's got nothing to lose.
BJS can outbox Canelo and has the skill to do it for the majority of the 12 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
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Originally Posted by SlimTrae
That's all Saunders can do.
Box to the absolute best of his ability (better than the Lemuix fight) and hope he can nick it on points.
Massive ask and not a fucking chance he'll even wobble Canelo.
Just hasn't got that power.
BJS is just going to be the latest sacrificial lamb..... and the fact he couldn't punch his way out of a wet paper bag certainly wasn't lost on Team Canelo, who probably would've given BJS a greater slice of the pie had BJS bargained for it.
Unfortunately, the laws of risk vs return do not apply in Canelo's World like they do in finances.
https://www.boxingnews24.com/2021/04...-about-judges/
Hahaha!
This is sounding worse by the minute. BJS bitching and moaning about the judges as the fight draws near. :rolleyes:
Said he was "promised" an English judge.
Right.
Let's file that one alongside "Your check is in the mail." :vd:
So ok. We have...
The fight in AT&T Stadium in Texas.
No English judges.
The powder-puff punching Saunders going into Canelo's backyard to try and (COUGH, HACK, CHUCKLE)...... "win a decision." :rofmaoal:
All of this... and the WBC with yet ANOTHER shiny trinket (made-up belt) to lovingly place around Canelo's waist after the slaughter... sacrifice... fight.
All of THIS... to cement Canelo's (cough) legacy.
What I want to know is... who's going to play Canelo in the sure-to-come Hollywood blockbuster?
Surely it has to be some handsome, redhaired dude.
His adoring fans would settle for nothing less.
'DISAPPOINTED' Billy Joe Saunders furious Eddie Hearn is making plans assuming Canelo Alvarez will BEAT him in Dallas dust-up on May 8
BILLY JOE SAUNDERS is furious with promoter Eddie Hearn for planning a super-middleweight title unification fight between Canelo Alvarez and Caleb Plant before his clash with the hard-hitting Mexican.
Welwyn Warrior Saunders will throw down with the pound-for-pound king a fortnight on Sunday in Dallas, Texas.
But Matchroom Boxing chief Hearn is already plotting a showdown between Canelo and IBO 168lb champ Plant.
The plan has irked the undefeated Saunders, who told iFL TV: "I’m a bit disappointed because he’s already planning venues for the Caleb Plant fight.
"You know. It’s one of them. People can say what they want and you know, you got this shot.
"And people look at… f**k the money. F**k everything. I’m here to win.”
Although he's already laying the groundwork for a bout between Canelo and Plant, Hearn is confident Saunders can spring a major upset and hand the pride of Mexico his second professional defeat.
He told Fight Hub TV: "Billy Joe Saunders for a long time has said he will beat Canelo Alvarez. He has the style to beat him.
"I’ll tell you one thing, I think if there’s anyone in the division that will beat or could beat Canelo, it’s Billy Joe Saunders — because he has the style and the movement and he has something different in his head.
"No fear. He can come out and he boxes and he moves and he flows, you know.
“Other fighters come out (tense). Same with Yildirim. That’s why this will be a good fight because Yildirim — no fear.
"He’ll come out, take his time, two or three rounds and then Joel Diaz will say to him ‘right, now’s your chance, go for it.’
"And he’ll let his hands go. But that’s very dangerous, but it’s exciting."
Saunders, 31, is confident of upsetting the apple cart, telling talkSPORT: “I’m the seventh Brit he’s faced, he’s dealt with six of them very comfortably.
“The Brits like dancing and moving and thinking they’ve gotta run away, but I will be there for him to hit.
“I will be in range for him to hit. I’ll be setting traps, the same as he’ll be setting traps.
“I don’t think running a million miles an hour is gonna do me any justice. He’s not got the best engine in the world, Canelo.
“He’s very good at what he does, extremely good at what he does, but there’s faults there.
“We’ve seen people try to run away and box him, we’ve seen people try to use the brawn, but we’ve only seen one man use his brain and that was Floyd Mayweather.
“Brain over brawn here. Brain wins this, technical thinking wins this.”
He continued: "This is the way I look at it: you have to win every moment, every second in that ring when that bell goes.
“I’m prepared to put everything down, all of the chips down.
“As long as I get a fair decision then I believe in my heart of hearts that the job is definitely not an impossible job.
“People go on about how good he is, how great he is.
“But let’s not forget he’s been beat [by Floyd Mayweather] and he got beat in the first fight with Golovkin as well I thought.
“Let’s just hope that it’s all a fair playing field in and out the ring, and we can get to work.”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/14702...o-boxing-news/
everyone slagging saunders for moaning about judges and the rest but what is he (or anyone) supposed to do? he's not gonna win on points even if he wins every round
best he can hope for is a draw
so maybe its good to highlight the corruption before rather than seemingly moaning about it after
Yep, but he knew all of this before he signed the contract. :nopity:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
nah i think hes doing the right thing
otherwise he turns up, knocks him out, loses on points and goes home with nothing but a few million pounds
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Originally Posted by erics44
If he manages to knock him out and then lose on points he will go down in the history books. ;D
Saunders looks in career best shape already.
https://www.givemesport.com/1679447-...transformation
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Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYep, but he knew all of this before he signed the contract. :nopity:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
My question is:
How do you sign a mega-fight contract and not iron out the detail about the judges BEFOREHAND? Especially in a Canelo fight.
I mean... I'm not calling Saunders STUPID, but...
I would not put it past Canelo to sign one thing and do another, confident that Saunders will not turn away from a career high payday. The only thing BJS can do is highlight and moan about the injustice which is what he is doing. He could try and do a Fury and threaten to pull out of the fight which worked against Wlad.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYep, but he knew all of this before he signed the contract. :nopity:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
My question is:
How do you sign a mega-fight contract and not iron out the detail about the judges BEFOREHAND? Especially in a Canelo fight.
I mean... I'm not calling Saunders STUPID, but...
According to Saunders Dad, Hearns being a cunt during this build up.
Making it virtually impossible for UK fans to get tickets, no UK judges involved and has told team Saunders themselves to pay for 50% of the team to fly over so.
He's also apparently been overheard saying "If Saunders wins this he's gonna fuck everything up for us"
Basically doing everything he can to give his cash cow Canelo every possible advantage.
Saunders dad has no reason at all to lie about any of this and just wants his son to get given a fair go of winning.
https://youtu.be/gdNjqCuP6JA
no one forced him to sign to contract. billy joe is cashing out. canelo ices himQuote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Yeah but it won’t work with Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI would not put it past Canelo to sign one thing and do another, confident that Saunders will not turn away from a career high payday. The only thing BJS can do is highlight and moan about the injustice which is what he is doing. He could try and do a Fury and threaten to pull out of the fight which worked against Wlad.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYep, but he knew all of this before he signed the contract. :nopity:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
My question is:
How do you sign a mega-fight contract and not iron out the detail about the judges BEFOREHAND? Especially in a Canelo fight.
I mean... I'm not calling Saunders STUPID, but...
1. Too many people would take his place.
2. The financial rewards are higher here.
I’m not sure when people are going to actual realise this is true, but whether we like it or not, there is an A side and a B side, and the A side gets to call the shots. FACT!
Wlad , Floyd, now Canelo.
You might think it’s wrong, you might think it’s unfair, but it is what it is.
Saunders has got 2 choices, like it or fucking lump it.
And as for all the people saying “all he can do is moan about it to highlight it”, they’re the very same people that criticise Divers and people waving imaginary cards in football. Tell me, what’s the difference?:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
We all know about A side and B side. But those negotiations are supposed to happen before the contract is signed.
Saunders says "I want a British judge" and Canelo says "No dice... they'll all be Mexican"... Saunders can walk. No contract... no fight.
Ginger's the A side... everyone knows that.
Once the contract is signed, if it mentioned a British judge... it's still a contract. Otherwise why even bother with contracts?
A side means you have the upper hand in the negotiations. Not that you can wipe your ass with a signed contract after the fight preparations are underway.
Having said that... Ginger lives under his own rules... blessed by the WBC (we all know by now what that stands for) and all the powers-that-be in boxing.
Not this close to the fight. Fury threatened to pull out of the fight on the night when the ring had too much padding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYeah but it won’t work with Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI would not put it past Canelo to sign one thing and do another, confident that Saunders will not turn away from a career high payday. The only thing BJS can do is highlight and moan about the injustice which is what he is doing. He could try and do a Fury and threaten to pull out of the fight which worked against Wlad.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYep, but he knew all of this before he signed the contract. :nopity:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
My question is:
How do you sign a mega-fight contract and not iron out the detail about the judges BEFOREHAND? Especially in a Canelo fight.
I mean... I'm not calling Saunders STUPID, but...
1. Too many people would take his place.
2. The financial rewards are higher here.
I dislike the imaginary card, those who brandish it should be booked or sent off depending on the colour of their imaginary cardQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
diving though goes a lot deeper for me, rolling around on the floor maybe should be punished but going down seems like a necessary evil
So are you saying it was stipulated in the contract that there would be a British Judge? Because I heard that the contract stated that there would be 3 “neutral” judges?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
We all know about A side and B side. But those negotiations are supposed to happen before the contract is signed.
Saunders says "I want a British judge" and Canelo says "No dice... they'll all be Mexican"... Saunders can walk. No contract... no fight.
Ginger's the A side... everyone knows that.
Once the contract is signed, if it mentioned a British judge... it's still a contract. Otherwise why even bother with contracts?
A side means you have the upper hand in the negotiations. Not that you can wipe your ass with a signed contract after the fight preparations are underway.
Having said that... Ginger lives under his own rules... blessed by the WBC (we all know by now what that stands for) and all the powers-that-be in boxing.
I’ve got A couple of issues with your post and I’ll try to address them one by one.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44I dislike the imaginary card, those who brandish it should be booked or sent off depending on the colour of their imaginary cardQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
diving though goes a lot deeper for me, rolling around on the floor maybe should be punished but going down seems like a necessary evil
Apologies in advance for going off topic.
1. The imaginary card is to highlight an issue and seek justice. Billy Jo whingeing about stuff is to highlight an issue and seek justice. What’s the difference.
2. Diving is a “necessary evil” are you saying with or without contact? Are you saying CHEATING is “a necessary evil.”
like I say, diving goes deeper than a simple answerQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI’ve got A couple of issues with your post and I’ll try to address them one by one.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44I dislike the imaginary card, those who brandish it should be booked or sent off depending on the colour of their imaginary cardQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
diving though goes a lot deeper for me, rolling around on the floor maybe should be punished but going down seems like a necessary evil
Apologies in advance for going off topic.
1. The imaginary card is to highlight an issue and seek justice. Billy Jo whingeing about stuff is to highlight an issue and seek justice. What’s the difference.
2. Diving is a “necessary evil” are you saying with or without contact? Are you saying CHEATING is “a necessary evil.”
and no, 99 times out of 100 diving without contact isnt acceptable but im not sure all diving (or going down easy) is unacceptable, i think winning games by kicking people is more unacceptable
and i see your point about the imaginary card but i dont think that there is any honesty when people are branding it and i think its more about gaining an advantage
and i dont think its the same as BJS complaining about the judges, if england played spain in the world cup final - in Spain with a Spanish ref and linesman and Southgate complained then thats more like what BJS is doing
branding the card is more like BJS complaining about holding or hitting behind the head or something, asking for a point off
So do you think there will be 3 Mexican Judges? There might be 3 American judges, but technically they’re Neutral.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44like I say, diving goes deeper than a simple answerQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI’ve got A couple of issues with your post and I’ll try to address them one by one.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44I dislike the imaginary card, those who brandish it should be booked or sent off depending on the colour of their imaginary cardQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
diving though goes a lot deeper for me, rolling around on the floor maybe should be punished but going down seems like a necessary evil
Apologies in advance for going off topic.
1. The imaginary card is to highlight an issue and seek justice. Billy Jo whingeing about stuff is to highlight an issue and seek justice. What’s the difference.
2. Diving is a “necessary evil” are you saying with or without contact? Are you saying CHEATING is “a necessary evil.”
and no, 99 times out of 100 diving without contact isnt acceptable but im not sure all diving (or going down easy) is unacceptable, i think winning games by kicking people is more unacceptable
and i see your point about the imaginary card but i dont think that there is any honesty when people are branding it and i think its more about gaining an advantage
and i dont think its the same as BJS complaining about the judges, if england played spain in the world cup final - in Spain with a Spanish ref and linesman and Southgate complained then thats more like what BJS is doing
branding the card is more like BJS complaining about holding or hitting behind the head or something, asking for a point off
In reality I know that’s not the case, but it’s not a bias that Canelo has manufactured, its more the money men, and that includes Eddie Hearn. He’s English, but his major interest in this fight is Canelo.
So what do we do about that? 🤷*♂️
This is what makes it slightly different in Boxing.
to be fair i dont know what nationality the judges are and im well aware of the dynamics of boxing and the role of the a side and b side fighters
in fact i think some fighters have built a very very successful career on the advantages of being the A side fighter
and i dont even know if i disagree with it happening
what would you do if you were in Saunders position?
Youve signed a contract for the biggest fight of your life and there is supposed to be an English judge and there isn't
Call their bluff and threaten to withdraw from the fight. The closer to the date you do it the stronger your position.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
maybe thats the best way but then people will still see it as complaining, even more so than what he is doingQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterCall their bluff and threaten to withdraw from the fight. The closer to the date you do it the stronger your position.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I can’t see away Saunders can win this.
Canelo’s (just about only) weakness is that he has slow feet. May weather exploited this superbly and he had enough pop to land some spectacular shots - especially his trademark straight right.
Saunders definitely has skills, but not particularly great footwork. I don’t see he has the power to get Alvarez’ respect and Camelot is very good at applying pressure until his opponent just looks to survive.
My BOLD prediction!!
Saunders starched by KNOCKOUT!!
But this is it, does the contract state that there should be a British Judge. Because my understanding was that it would be “3 Neutral Judges.”Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
But to answer your question, IF the contract did state that there would be a British judge, then if I were him, yes, I would kick up about it, but if it really pissed me off, I would threaten to pull out.
And then comes the moment when I would show whether I had the balls or not by pulling out or not. It’s hard to say.
Anyone whos been watching boxing long enough might suggest ol Saunders is just trying to set up 'I told ya so' tantrums if and when Canelo gets the nod assuming the judges are even involved. I think he's going to have many moments of fight or flight panic trying to find an effective way to keep Canelo off as it goes and is cut off. Any talk about the size of the ring? If I were Saunders that would be top of the list over what Country a judge is from. Saunders can box and does a good job reading available avenues but he isn't trying to evade 1-2 and nonchalantly slide off to reset. This Canelo will keep rolling them with varying power and really mess up Saunders since of timing. Hope it's a competitive..*cough scrap and Saunders really rises up but honestly I think he'll be throwing snowballs at a tank and his best bet would be cutting Canelo badly.
I think it's time to start a "What's Next for Canelo?" thread, considering the consensus that this fight is a foregone conclusion.
Canelo Alvarez reveals his brother was KIDNAPPED just days before Rocky Fielding fight and had to negotiate release
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/14799...ielding-fight/
Canelo Alvarez breaks down Floyd Mayweather fight if Mexican was in his prime
Saul Canelo Alvarez’s only defeat of his glittering career came against boxing legend Floyd Mayweather back in 2013, but the Mexican says it wouldn't play out that way if he was in his prime
Saul Canelo Alvarez has revealed how he thinks a fight with Floyd Mayweather would go down if they had fought when the Mexican was in his prime.
Alvarez’s only defeat of his career came against boxing legend Mayweather back in September 2013 by majority decision when he was just 23.
‘Money’ Mayweather famously never lost a fight during his career, despite stepping into the ring 50 times professionally.
And, Canelo, who is now a unified super middleweight world champion at the age of 30, insists that Mayweather would have been scared to put his belts on the line if he was in the sort of form he’s been in for years now.
Speaking to Graham Bensinger on his self-titled show, Alvarez said: “He’d have nothing to do with me.
“If we were both at our prime, our best prime, he wouldn’t anything do with me. Nothing.
"I’d knock him out.”
Explaining though how that fight helped to turn him into the world-beater he is today, Alvarez admits that the blow only made him more determined to become a world champion.
“I wasn’t the boxer I am today,” he added of why he lost. “For me, that moment hurt a lot. I got to thinking, I’m not going to let this kill my dreams.
“Someday I’m going to be the best boxer in the world. And now, today I am.”
Alvarez’s long-time trainer Jose ‘Chepo’ Reynoso also believes that the defeat to Mayweather taught him that he has to keep going even when times are tough.
“That fight taught him to continue working, and to keep moving forward,” he told Bensinger.
“Saul had never lost a fight, and that night he lost his undefeated status.
“Many boxers say ‘I’m not good anymore’. They give up - not us.
“You can’t just stay there, crying over a defeat.
“Only the one who doesn’t fight, doesn’t lose, but he will never win.”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxin...ather-24004884
:LMAO:
Even today... Canelo feels compelled to qualify/ excuse/ explain his defeat to Mayweather over 7 years ago. :D :D
Priceless.
Sorry bud. It's a thorn in your side you'll never be able to get rid of. :cool:
Not even a "bought-off" CJ Ross was able to pull off what was supposed to be the Robbery of the Millennium.
Mofo will probably be telling his grandchildren this shit someday. :D