Vasyl Lomachenko v Devin Haney

Devin Haney has vowed to send Vasyl Lomachenko into retirement from boxing with a win in their undisputed title fight.

“I want to beat him bad. I want to send him into retirement,” Haney said during an episode of Top Rank Blood Sweat & Tears as he previewed their undisputed meeting this weekend. “Lomachenko has never been an underdog, this is the first time. This time he’s fighting a bigger guy, a strong guy, faster guy, younger guy.

“All odds are stacked against him and on May 20 I will show the world why. Whatever he brings on fight night it won’t be enough, I’m going to make him look average, I’m going to make him look ordinary. I’m gonna embarrass him and he won’t be the same.”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...a8eda20f&ei=24

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black fighters are cleaning house.

First tank squashed ryan garcia. Now another hyped up white fighter in loma is gonna get beat and what will make this even better is that loma will get schooled at his own game. Haney will out box him and make it look easy. I love it.

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i don’t even reckon you’re black? I reckon you’re like ali g. (is it cos i is black?)
the reason i say this is because you are clearly on a wind up trying to trigger other posters. Still , keep up the good work.

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dude. I used to go on zoom calls with nosavingbell. In fact if he saves his zoom call then you can clearly see that i'm black. as to this fight, i actually think it's 50/50 fight but gun to my head ? I think haney will win but loma will be the moral victor.

I can just see haney, building up a lead and then running from loma and stinking the place out with the crowd booing him and if he does that (and i think he will) then that'll b terrible look for haney to be scared to go toe to toe with a guy your bigger and younger than.

But if loma can consistently get under haney's jab past, get close to him and turn it into a dog fight ? I would not be suprised at all if he wins.

Haney wants to be the next floyd but he has to remember (and a lotta ppl forget) that floyd was a fkin killer in the ring in his 20's when he was devin's age. He was sending guys to hosipital (gatti, corales etc). Most ppl only really remember floyd's "money mayweather" days when he started to get older in his 30's, so was happy to cruise to ud victories

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harvey dock has been selected as the ref for this fight. that's good news for loma. i was dreading someone like kenny bayless getting the gig as he would allow devin to get away with holding on the inside. so ref issue out the way. next issue is the time of the weigh in. if it's early it benefits devin as he'll have more time to rehydrate, if it's afternoon it benefits loma

Loma will have to work on Haney body early to see if the weight draining has had an effect on him. Loma needs to be active and can not afford to give rounds away either.

Not wishing to diss the incredible skills of Loma, I think he’s a bit long in the tooth and Haney will be skilful enough to use his undoubted size and age advantages IMO.
I get that Haney might have rehydration issues, but he’s a seriou professional guy so I think he might have it covered.
I like both Boxers and respect that the fight is even happening. Very refreshing in this day and age .

"I believe that when you say something, you need to prove it," Lomachenko said.

"I have a lot of experience in boxing, and anything can happen during a fight.

"I just think about what I need to do during a fight - and my goal is to become the undisputed champion of the world.

"It will be very, very interesting. We have two different styles."

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...e75d1f7&ei=124

the weigh in is said to be at nine am. that's a big advantage for devin, gives him roughly thirty six hours before the fight

What's the time for weigh ins usually? You'd figure there has to be a set time per location, unless they load a stipulation in the contract maybe. So Loma will be up vs a CW jr middleweight.

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What's the time for weigh ins usually? You'd figure there has to be a set time per location, unless they load a stipulation in the contract maybe. So Loma will be up vs a CW jr middleweight.

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In my experience covering them, Weigh-ins are nearly always the late afternoon or evening before a fight 4-6pm here in the UK, to try and be close to 24hrs as possible whilst feeding the news cycle. No standard though as far as I can tell between shows, belt organisations, countries or even commissions. Haney is already huge and I can see him missing weight if he steps on the scales that early.

Needs common sense and stricter weight windows. Morning of fight or 12 hr would limit bulking up by the naturally bigger fighter skewing it so much. It's not right but as much as I loved him we have to admit as Brit fans Hatton built a career around it. Well that and a whole lot of desire, intensity, viciousness, skills and a willingness to walk through walls.

“After the Lopez loss, I could have gone down (in weight) and fight,” Lomachenko said during the first part of ESPN’s Blood, Sweat & Tears: Haney vs. Lomachenko.

“But I can’t because I lose at lightweight. Lightweight took my dream, took my goal. I can’t change.

“For me, it looks like you’re weak.

"I still have my speed, my power, my conditioning. I was very close with this goal. Now I have a second chance. But I have a second chance with a different man.”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/othe...f74ec075&ei=34

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This might be of interest. James is a friend of mine.
https://www.youtube.com/live/MInHf8lIsrI?feature=share

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Is this local where you're at? Have to give it a listen on a half day. I look back and regret not dedicating more time to 'live' content of some sort. Shit I still have an 800+ tape collection to covert :p. Basically, following-using technology to delve deeper into the sport ;D. I remember years ago Memphis bringing up the idea of a podcast every so often but not sure anything came of it. But helluva good idea. The time and some expenses are the problem. And the damn endless job we all work ;D.

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I know James from Texas- after he left Texas he coached the Colombian National team for a few years. Now he trains fighters in Mexico. He has been training fighters since the 80s. He just did another video on his youtube channel that features an interview with Ronnie Sheilds.

Loma can't afford to give away early rounds
The deck is definitely stacked against him
Loma has received some bad cards from judges in the past
The 119-109 against Lopez
The 114-114 against Russell Jnr
I think Loma needs to start aggressively & target that body
Haney's punch selection can be predictable
Loma shouldn't really be fighting above 130
I think Haney wins a boring, safety 1st decision

DuBoef believes victory over the Ukrainian star would be the finest achievement of Haney's fast-rising career and could secure a massive clash against former unified super-featherweight king Stevenson.

"Loma says he is 100 per cent and the finest he could be. So if Haney can take out Lomachenko at his finest, I think that is a very, very big mark for Devin to accomplish," DuBoef said.

"Devin, we've seen, he's got great size, great speed, good footwork, really quick hands. But this is the matrix, you do not know what you're in with.

"He's going to learn a lot on Saturday night, if he hasn't already. Because he's going to get a masters degree from one of the great fighters of our era.

"Listen, absolutely [Stevenson to face the winner makes sense].

"With Devin Haney, he's so big, can he stay at 135lb? Or does he jump up to 140lb? And we're loaded at 140lb as well and there are opportunities there.

"So I think from a pure boxing perspective, to see Devin and Shakur is a natural, natural fight.

"It would have been like Mayweather and Mosley in their prime, which we didn't get.

"It's that type of fight, and they know each other well. Love to do those type of fights, but we'll see what happens with the outcome and how both fighters feel, and how Lomachenko feels.

"We have to read the room a little better and decide to make moves with the fighters, rather than force something they don't really want."

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...029c8274&ei=28

https://youtu.be/dvgsdmgyHGI

Maybe I'm missing something, but it looks like basically you do not need ESPN+ or Dazn for these recent ppvs? Of course if you still have cable that looks like the case. They're showing up on the same channel they did 20 years ago here :p.Tank-Garcia was 20 bucks more but you didn't get ripped off, stagnate in refreshing and freezing and charged 2,3 times by Dazn like so many did. It took that fiasco for Dazn to finally represent like they actually had customer services and respond.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwXw4A4a...g&name=900x900

devin was saying this years ago
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Haney has those Wilder legs. But why'd they do two weigh ins??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QrDDSlYcDE

That'll teach lomachenko for standing their quietly....who does he think he is!.

Haney is quite a bit bigger and longer, going to be a bad night lomachenko.

The money's on Haney, obviously. But I wouldn't be too upset if Loma shocked the world.

“Now he’s mine,” Lomachenko told ESPN’s Mark Kriegel immediately after the incident. “He don’t have the power.”
Haney uncharacteristically lost his composure after their ceremonial weigh-in at MGM Grand Garden Arena and pushed Lomachenko with two hands to his opponent’s chest. Lomachenko seemed to simply stare at Haney during their faceoff and didn’t say anything to antagonize Haney.

The taller, younger champion surprisingly pushed him, which Lomachenko took to mean that Haney is very nervous as their ESPN Pay-Per-View main event nears.
“Because he’s scared,” Lomachenko said. “He’s scared. Because I see right now. I see right now and a hundred percent [he’s scared].”

https://www.boxingscene.com/lomachen...scared--174734


I think we all know what it means, whenever someone tries to start the intimidation games early... Haney's expending extra energy without even realizing it at this point and all the way up to the fight.... young man's mistake

Weigh in dust up was all in the script. A 20 second convo on a live mic would have been more challenging for both :-X. Really surprised Loma didn't fly further than he did. Haney is trying to hard but he's also been labeled a third rung at 135 if we're honest. 140 inbound either way.

Don't think I can be staying up till 5am but I am looking forward to watching 'as live' later on Sunday morning. Been a while since I looked forward to a fight so much.

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Don't think I can be staying up till 5am but I am looking forward to watching 'as live' later on Sunday morning. Been a while since I looked forward to a fight so much.

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I will get up to watch this. Love the build up and hype for this fight.

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Don't think I can be staying up till 5am but I am looking forward to watching 'as live' later on Sunday morning. Been a while since I looked forward to a fight so much.

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I will get up to watch this. Love the build up and hype for this fight.

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I might...

May the best man win, this could be a classic. Haney has the potential but I don't see him adjusting as well if it doesn't go according to the game plan. Loma is not going to just allow him to dictate things and needs to put his foot on the pedal early to make that clear. That push is as much nerves as promotion and Loma will love the opportunity to pick apart Haney if comes in fired up fighting from his belly rather than his head. Can see a few pendulum swings in this one with at least one of them having to get off the seat of their pants to reset. Haney may be lighter at weigh-in but Loma is not going to put on much and come fight night Haney will be the bigger man. Lets hope they are allowed to fight on the inside but not turn into a hugfest. Bring it on.

Hoping we get a Loma who is close to 100%. If Loma is on and starts aggressively, I can see him winning a tough fight. Devin is big/long, young, and a great boxer, but I feel like Loma has more dimensions. Teo was a much more explosive puncher and eked out the win more for what Loma didn’t do (start fighting before round 6) than anything Teo did. I feel like that fight is misleading, and the lack of power from Devin means Loma will have an easier style match up. Really looking forward to this fight.

Loma didn’t do because of what Teo did do. Teo sat waiting for Loma to reach and counter him hard right up the middle, this kept Loma from being able to get into all that dancing you can only do if you can stall the opponent. And when Loma would cross step or rhythm step Teo took advantage of the wrong footing to get off combinations

The idea Loma just didn’t do more for no reason is simply not reflective of the action. Teo fought the smarter fight, which is surprising but really undeniable.

Be very interested in the same night "unofficial" weights but haven't really seen that much since HBO closed shop.

2-hour undercard being aired on regular ESPN also.

I’ve changed my mind. Loma will win. I can see it being similar 2 the PAC Vs Thurman fight. We’re ppl are probably overrating Haney, who like Thurman had an ‘0’ on his record and overlooking Loma’s resume as they did PAC’s.

It will be very difficult for Haney to beat Loma in a chess match n that’s what it will b, a chess match. Teo beat Loma coz Loma was cautious about his power n let Teo build up a lead he could not close.

I’m really looking forward to this fight FAR more than I was for the Tank Vs Garcia fight

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Loma didn’t do because of what Teo did do. Teo sat waiting for Loma to reach and counter him hard right up the middle, this kept Loma from being able to get into all that dancing you can only do if you can stall the opponent. And when Loma would cross step or rhythm step Teo took advantage of the wrong footing to get off combinations

The idea Loma just didn’t do more for no reason is simply not reflective of the action. Teo fought the smarter fight, which is surprising but really undeniable.

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Good posting Mr Swanson, if possible you should make posts like @Yuzo does with the gifs, I have no idea where he gets them from so maybe that's not possible. These gifs and explanations help us monkeys understand the more complicated parts of boxing better.

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I’ve changed my mind. Loma will win. I can see it being similar 2 the PAC Vs Thurman fight. We’re ppl are probably overrating Haney, who like Thurman had an ‘0’ on his record and overlooking Loma’s resume as they did PAC’s.

It will be very difficult for Haney to beat Loma in a chess match n that’s what it will b, a chess match. Teo beat Loma coz Loma was cautious about his power n let Teo build up a lead he could not close.

I’m really looking forward to this fight FAR more than I was for the Tank Vs Garcia fight

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That's bold. See change is possible ;D. Think it's all on the shoulders of Haney. Right about Teo, he's a lot of things but he will commit to and has natural power. I still don't know what kind of dog Haney has in him.

This can potentially be a very short undercard. Get ready for some studio-interview mic stretching. This fight did build rather nicely, all fully exposed.

Don't think I've ever seen a ring covered in glitter like that.

Ali Walsh still getting clipped way too clean. Rosenberger losing zip on punches and falling over himself in 4th.

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Ali Walsh still getting clipped way too clean. Rosenberger losing zip on punches and falling over himself in 4th.

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They have been trying to find him an early ko and.....

the judges doing a terrible job early

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Ali Walsh still getting clipped way too clean. Rosenberger losing zip on punches and falling over himself in 4th.

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They have been trying to find him an early ko and.....

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Dating myself but some of these guys can suffer from too much early exposure. Not every single start with a guy obviously raw should be hyped and aired like it's on mini event. The related to legend hype doing him in these making sausage fights.