Hard to pull agaisnt Crawford here. The only thing that could fuck him up is if the boxing Gods that night turn against him for how he insulted Bob Arum...Quote:
Originally Posted by Big J
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Hard to pull agaisnt Crawford here. The only thing that could fuck him up is if the boxing Gods that night turn against him for how he insulted Bob Arum...Quote:
Originally Posted by Big J
Spence laid down the gauntlet against his fellow American with his announcement for the fight on Instagram.
He said: "Finally giving the fans what they want❗️.
"This one a throwback fight on paper but it could be a one sided ass whooping one of the biggest fight of the century!"
Crawford's own announcement was more low-key, but just as potent.
He declared: "Time to reel in the big fish 🎣. No more talking @errolspencejr ‼️ Let’s get it 💪🏾."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/22481...ate-confirmed/
july has some really good fights, jared anderson v zhan kossobutskiy & vergil ortiz v eimantas stanionis as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Big J
potential undercard:
isaac cruz v giovanni cabrera
subriel matias v sergey lipinets
jesus ramos v tbd
sounds like it'll be elvis rodriguez v sergey lipinets insteadQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
nobody likes fighting southpaws. especially southpaws.
regis doesn't seem to have an issueQuote:
Originally Posted by Yuzo
when you watch a southpaw fight a southpaw have you ever thought they looked awfully sloppy?Quote:
Originally Posted by TICregis doesn't seem to have an issueQuote:
Originally Posted by Yuzo
not always, depends on the fighters i guess. cornelius boza-edwards v rafael 'bazooka' limon & josh taylor v regis prograis were a good watchQuote:
Originally Posted by Yuzowhen you watch a southpaw fight a southpaw have you ever thought they looked awfully sloppy?Quote:
Originally Posted by TICregis doesn't seem to have an issueQuote:
Originally Posted by Yuzo
sounds like sergey pulled out of the fightQuote:
Originally Posted by TICsounds like it'll be elvis rodriguez v sergey lipinets insteadQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
when a southpaw learns how to fight they learn by fighting orthodox fighters. when a southpaw fights a southpaw they dont get to do what they like to do. they kinda have to learn how to fight again. you might say they get a taste of their own medicine.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
sometimes, southpaws are all over the place now, a gym i visit, it is almost even numbersQuote:
Originally Posted by Yuzowhen a southpaw learns how to fight they learn by fighting orthodox fighters. when a southpaw fights a southpaw they dont get to do what they like to do. they kinda have to learn how to fight again. you might say they get a taste of their own medicine.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
do you think errol spence will be affected by it in any way?Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
i think both guys will be affected by it, neither has a lot of pro experience against southpaws. sparring partners could be the differenceQuote:
Originally Posted by Yuzodo you think errol spence will be affected by it in any way?Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
I know too much gets made of Bud's switching, but I think it could give him an advantage here. Or at least leave him the lesser affected one of the southpaw on southpaw.
Terence Crawford vs Errol Spence Jr
Poll added so please vote.
who do you give the advantage to in the following categories?
speed -
power -
footwork -
defense -
ring iq -
chin -
body punching -
versatility -
endurance -
resume -
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Originally Posted by TIC
Good list and tough call. ;D
Of the above, my most definite answers are on Ring IQ and versatility.
The rest I can see arguments on both sides. ;D
That being said, I'd favor Crawford to win the fight by the slightest of margins.
Interesting and more debatable than you would expect. This is just my opinion and I’m sure some will disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Personally I’m going for Bud probably points , maybe late stoppage but I doubt it. I’ve changed my mind on this one, I used to think Spence would be too strong.
But I’ve looked back at some of his fights and I see Spence getting tagged very heavily on the chin by Porter, Garcia and Peterson. And he took them well, but my thinking is , if Crawford tags him that clean, he won’t necessarily finish him off, but he will have more skill and will be able to take control of the fight.
Crawford is a more skilled fighter than any of those opponents.
speed - Crawford
power - Spence
footwork - Crawford
defense - Neither
ring iq - Crawford
chin - Spence
body punching - Spence
versatility - Crawford
endurance - Crawford
resume - Spence
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyIBpOMW...jpg&name=smallQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Speed - Crawford
Power - Spence
Footwork - Same
Defence - Crawford
Ring IQ - Same
Chin - Spence
Body punching - Spence
Versatility - Crawford
Endurance - Spence
Resume – Spence at the weight but Crawford P4P
I think both fighters are strong at the weight. Crawford has beaten better fighters overall particularly at the lower weights. This is the biggest fight of the year and long overdue. I think Spence strength will win the fight over 12 hard but close rounds.
Bigger fan of Spence, Crawford is just so difficult and Spence is so chill and straight forward. Feel like I could be good friends with Spence.
But I’m taking Crawford in this. I just feel like he’s more natural. Spence follows a game plan masterfully “I’m going to do this” and he does. But inevitably a point comes where decisions and adjustments need to be made in real time, not between rounds or any break.
I hope Spence does his thing and Crawford can’t stand up to it. But Crawford is a good counter puncher and can do damage with single shots, and finish. I’m taking Bud, sadly. And if he wins and anyone doesn’t have him number 1 P4P their opinion is meaningless.
But let’s go Spence!
Spence has to beat Crawford.
It’s not about Crawford it’s about Spence finding a way to beat Crawford.
Crawford has that Sugar Ray/Roy Jones/Floyd Mayweather sweet science that comes along every now and again.
Spence beating Crawford is more of an upset that Crawford beating Spence.
True. But I don't see Crawford funking out like Oscar did against Trinidad a few decades back. If anything, Crawford will pour it on more late- look at what he did to Benavidez and Porter late.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
I’m not a fan of Crawford behavior at 147 because of his choice to join Top Rank and avoid the top guys at PBC.
Regardless, he now fights the top dog at 147 with x3 of the belts to make him a potential undisputed 147 champion.
Crawford is the favorite in my eyes because of his ability to adjust and his switch hitting style.
If Crawford wins he is P4P number 1 and will knock Usyk off the top spot.
If Spence wins he must go straight to Charlo and beat him for undisputed.
Seriously torn on this still and will likely remain that way. I just cannot get around the thought of Spence having a single fight in two and a half years. Spence is going to need to be the aggressor, he's simply not going to be afforded the backfoot patience to outbox Crawford. Just a helluva level to "shake the rust off" and we've seen how that is a tremendous detriment for even the very best fighters. Saw some last Saturday. Also do not like Spence having the delusion of talking about facing Canelo. Man get your head clear. Your plate right in front of you is already overflowing! I'm pretty heart (Spence) vs mind (Bud) right now.
when you are boxing and you both jab at the same time your jabs will run parallel.
https://i.imgur.com/TmoH98v.gif
but when you are boxing with a southpaw and you both jab at the same time your jabs will become obstructed and essentially cancel out.
https://i.imgur.com/DezEu3z.gif
thats why when a southpaw jabs he can keep you from throwing your jab just by throwing his jab.
https://i.imgur.com/zdG6OT9.gif
when a southpaw jabs his jab will cancel out your jab. when errol spence throws his jab he is basically trying to keep you pinned down. then when you are being pinned down by the jab thats when he can start hitting you with the bulk of his punches. the jab is his lynchpin. take away his jab and you will take away everything with it.
i always guessed that the punch that beats spence is the counter right hand to the body when he picks up his right elbow to throw his jab.
https://i.imgur.com/Ax2YEST.gif
when he picks up his right elbow and steps in to jab, which he does a whole lot, you use his momentum and meet him with the counter right hand to the body, specifically to the liver. why guys don't do that, well, thats anybody's guess. but thats always the punch you throw when you are boxing with a southpaw who is stepping in with his jab.
now when a southpaw is boxing with a southpaw he may not want to jab so much, because instead of his jab pinning you down and laying a suppressive blanket on top of you to keep you from punching back, his jab just opens him up to a completely new set of counter punches. he doesn't just get to do southpaw stuff; now he really has to box.
Good posting to educate us dummies, well done yuzo!
jesus ramos jr v sergio garciaQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
I don't get to watch boxing much these days but I'm super excited for this fight.
Have just been reading through the posts here, I had no idea Spence has been out for so long. That's absurd.
Just to add to Yuzo's post, I've seen Crawford throw back hands under his opponents jabs and the scary thing is that he can throw to the body from a very upright position, with a lot of weight behind it. I totally agree, that punch is a problem for Spence.
I used to be a big fan of Danny Garcia's ability to punch with opponents. In a lot of ways, Crawford can also do this but on a much higher level.
This fight is going to be hell for Spence unless by some miracle, he pulls off a raid early in the fight when Crawford is still doing some calculations, I honestly see him getting hurt often and probably stopped.
Great breakdown! I see it slightly different:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Power- Spence (we agree)
Footwork- Crawford (I feel Spence is solid but fights in a linear fashion, where I see Bud moving more and a little more swiftly)
Defense- Spence (I feel like Spence has underrated defense because he is a volume and pressure fighter)
Ring IQ- Crawford (slight edge)
Chin- Spence (we agree)
Body punching- Spence (we agree)
Versatility- Crawford (we agree)
Endurance- Spence (we agree)
Resume- Spence (overall as I feel most of the big names on Crawford’s resume we’re not at their best when he fought them)
I feel like Spence is the stronger man at 147. If not for the accidents I would lean towards Spence because I feel like when two great talents go head to head, the naturally larger fighter tends to win more often. That being said, I saw a “diminished” Spence in the Danny Garcia and Ugas fights- he was hit more often and struggled more than I anticipated.
Always respect your views and opinions but Spence has better defence because of his attack/aggression does not make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodGreat breakdown! I see it slightly different:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Power- Spence (we agree)
Footwork- Crawford (I feel Spence is solid but fights in a linear fashion, where I see Bud moving more and a little more swiftly)
Defense- Spence (I feel like Spence has underrated defense because he is a volume and pressure fighter)
Ring IQ- Crawford (slight edge)
Chin- Spence (we agree)
Body punching- Spence (we agree)
Versatility- Crawford (we agree)
Endurance- Spence (we agree)
Resume- Spence (overall as I feel most of the big names on Crawford’s resume we’re not at their best when he fought them)
I feel like Spence is the stronger man at 147. If not for the accidents I would lean towards Spence because I feel like when two great talents go head to head, the naturally larger fighter tends to win more often. That being said, I saw a “diminished” Spence in the Danny Garcia and Ugas fights- he was hit more often and struggled more than I anticipated.
I did not see any deterioration in his performance against Ugas, I was impressed considering his issues he had to deal with.
I feel like Spence is defensively sound- he catches, parries, blocks, and rolls well with punches. I feel like Errol”s defense is underrated because he is a pressure and volume fighter (people assume he leaves himself open when he is punching) but he always has his hands high/ in position, his chin tucked, and in position to move in or out. I rate his defense higher than Terrance because I have seen Crawford take more clean shots (despite being more athletic and mobile). Just my take- best thing is we will find out for sure in one month!Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterAlways respect your views and opinions but Spence has better defence because of his attack/aggression does not make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodGreat breakdown! I see it slightly different:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Power- Spence (we agree)
Footwork- Crawford (I feel Spence is solid but fights in a linear fashion, where I see Bud moving more and a little more swiftly)
Defense- Spence (I feel like Spence has underrated defense because he is a volume and pressure fighter)
Ring IQ- Crawford (slight edge)
Chin- Spence (we agree)
Body punching- Spence (we agree)
Versatility- Crawford (we agree)
Endurance- Spence (we agree)
Resume- Spence (overall as I feel most of the big names on Crawford’s resume we’re not at their best when he fought them)
I feel like Spence is the stronger man at 147. If not for the accidents I would lean towards Spence because I feel like when two great talents go head to head, the naturally larger fighter tends to win more often. That being said, I saw a “diminished” Spence in the Danny Garcia and Ugas fights- he was hit more often and struggled more than I anticipated.
I did not see any deterioration in his performance against Ugas, I was impressed considering his issues he had to deal with.