now it's mcwilliams that is injured & the fight with el rey is off again. what's that now five postponements? & i thought getting george v teo done was badQuote:
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now it's mcwilliams that is injured & the fight with el rey is off again. what's that now five postponements? & i thought getting george v teo done was badQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
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Originally Posted by TICnow it's mcwilliams that is injured & the fight with el rey is off again. what's that now five postponements? & i thought getting george v teo done was badQuote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Yeah, that fight certainly seems to be snake-bitten. To make matters more complicated, McWilliams had already said he would retire following the fight. He IS 36 years old, which is slightly ancient for the lighter weights.
Oh well... would've been a great fight.
On another note.....
https://www.essentiallysports.com/bo...r-a-wbc-title/
"What Will Happen to Artur Beterbiev and Dmitry Bivol After Mauricio Sulaiman’s Decision to Ban Russian Boxers From Competing for a WBC Title?"
Of course. ;)
Wonder what took him so long...
Gee, wait... does this pave the way for Ginger to grab another 175-lb trinket now that both Beterbiev and Bivol will be out of the WBC picture? :o (fake shock)
Gotta hand it to the W(e) B(low) C(anelo) president, Mexian Mafia head Mauricio Sulaiman. :thumb:
Since it's painfully obvious Ginger has NO business in the ring with either Bivol OR Beterbiev (who between them hold all the belts)... ol' Suli baby has suddenly developed (months after the conflict began) a sense of civil justice and has decided to remove both Bivol and Beterbiev from their rankings. Making it easy for "you-know-who" to come waltzing in. Well... he might have to beat the crap out of Callum Smith again... but what the hell.
Good shet.
i hope that callum smith confirmed as wbc mandatory doesn't get in the way of a potential artur v dmitry fight
They've stumbled upon their money collecting soapbox and apparently declared all Russian boxers who are ranked will be dropped immediately :cwm13:. Not as if this couldn't happen 6 months ago so while 'I get it' I'm not really with it. It's an individual sport like no other and seems misdirected to cast a few dozen careers into the shitter with no regard and directly impacting livelihoods. I can see if a fighter hits the ring spouting propaganda boosting up the invasion..?..yeh fook those guys. But a professional fighter making a living absent of Government sponsorship ?! should be allowed to do so and not penalized. The wbc standing on principle and morality is a bit laughable. Wonder if we did this after 9/11 with Saudi Arabia. It's just an endless slippy slide of guilt by Nationality.
Russian and Belarusian boxers will be removed from the WBC rankings and banned from competing for titles under the sanctioning body's authority.
The WBC initially announced it would not sanction any boxing in Russia the day after the country's invasion of Ukraine on February 24 this year.
But at the sanctioning body's convention in Mexico on Tuesday, WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman announced boxers from both Russia and Belarus would be removed from their rankings due to the ongoing conflict.
"All fighters from Russia and Belarus are being removed from the WBC rankings," Sulaiman said.
"The WBC will not sanction any fights in those two countries and no national citizen from those two countries can compete for a WBC championship title.
"I wish to express our deep regret for the athletes, for the promoters, for the members of the boxing industry from Russia and Belarus who will suffer with these consequences of the actions outside the ring.
"The WBC believes in peace, believes in fair play, and believes human dignity."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...420d42fdace102
Literally rewrites history and arbitrarily overturns the controversial Draw verdict from Azumah Nelson v Jeff Fenech I...which took place 31 years ago :cwm13:. Seemingly out of nowhere and while fans definitely want these bodies to revisit-review "bad" decisions, this is very strange and selective. Not to mention very disrespectful to Nelson and surprised Fenech would go along with it to be honest. And a couple decades late. Surely if the wbc is sincere in this effort we can follow up with some from the last year or two but they won't :-X.
the ibf removed zhilei zhang from their top fifteen to put charles martin in at thirteen at heavyweight
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This is a bad joke, right?
Right??
Interesting how they and Fenech just completely blow off the matter of the one-way brutal rematch they had. As well as the two fighting a third time 15 years later. Fact they're using it to coronate "new" 4 time champs etc is a pretty bad precedent. https://youtu.be/fr-QnKMONE0Quote:
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Originally Posted by Spicoli
This is a bad joke, right?
Right??
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliInteresting how they and Fenech just completely blow off the matter of the one-way brutal rematch they had. As well as the two fighting a third time 15 years later. Fact they're using it to coronate "new" 4 time champs etc is a pretty bad precedent. https://youtu.be/fr-QnKMONE0Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
This is a bad joke, right?
Right??
And this is somehow allowed??!!??!!??
I mean, I realize the boxing orgs largely answer to nobody in particular and can operate with complete impunity. But this is beyond ridiculous. FUKK... why didn't they just wait until at least Azumah was dead or something so he wouldn't have to suffer this horrible injustice decades after the fact.
The W(e) B(low) C(anelo), aka Mexican Mafia, incredibly corrupt, sleazy, trinket-manufacturing boxing organization should be put out of its misery. IMO, they've already done enough damage to the great sport of boxing... as has the shady decisions and lack of accountability for corrupt judges. But this is fukking ludicrous, again... IMO.
Maybe others see nothing wrong with this. To me it's a slap in the face to the great champions of the past.
Where does this end? Talk about a slippery slope... :-X
Next thing you know they'll be going back to reverse decisions left and right at their leisure... and to favor their favorite fighters.
Hey... Bivol-Canelo was inexplicably scored a little tight by the three WBC pawns... er... judges that scored the fight. Who's to say in a couple of years or so the WBC doesn't revisit THAT fukking fight and decide that Canelo really won??
If I didn't like boxing so much, I'd have stopped caring about it a LONG time ago.
This sucks.
Eagerly anticipating the wbc to follow their own retroactive righteous example with overturning the Whitaker v Chavez and Holyfield v Lewis I "Draws". Toss the clear and worked robbery in wbc Randall v Chavez II where Randal lost a point (the difference) for something that was not ruled a foul.Quote:
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Originally Posted by SpicoliInteresting how they and Fenech just completely blow off the matter of the one-way brutal rematch they had. As well as the two fighting a third time 15 years later. Fact they're using it to coronate "new" 4 time champs etc is a pretty bad precedent. https://youtu.be/fr-QnKMONE0Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
This is a bad joke, right?
Right??
And this is somehow allowed??!!??!!??
I mean, I realize the boxing orgs largely answer to nobody in particular and can operate with complete impunity. But this is beyond ridiculous. FUKK... why didn't they just wait until at least Azumah was dead or something so he wouldn't have to suffer this horrible injustice decades after the fact.
The W(e) B(low) C(anelo), aka Mexican Mafia, incredibly corrupt, sleazy, trinket-manufacturing boxing organization should be put out of its misery. IMO, they've already done enough damage to the great sport of boxing... as has the shady decisions and lack of accountability for corrupt judges. But this is fukking ludicrous, again... IMO.
Maybe others see nothing wrong with this. To me it's a slap in the face to the great champions of the past.
Where does this end? Talk about a slippery slope... :-X
Next thing you know they'll be going back to reverse decisions left and right at their leisure... and to favor their favorite fighters.
Hey... Bivol-Canelo was inexplicably scored a little tight by the three WBC pawns... er... judges that scored the fight. Who's to say in a couple of years or so the WBC doesn't revisit THAT fukking fight and decide that Canelo really won??
If I didn't like boxing so much, I'd have stopped caring about it a LONG time ago.
This sucks.
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Manny Pacquiao: Referee Carlos Padilla says he influenced title fight
The World Boxing Council is looking into claims by former referee Carlos Padilla that he influenced the outcome of an early Manny Pacquiao title fight.
Padilla, now 88, said he prolonged a count to help fellow Filipino Pacquiao beat Nedal Hussein and defend his WBC International super-bantamweight title in Manila in 2000.
He also said he overlooked a headbutt from Pacquiao which opened a cut above Hussein's left eye and led to the fight being stopped on medical grounds.
Pacquiao won via TKO and went on to become a five-weight world champion.
WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman told BBC Sport: "The WBC has appointed a committee to look into this matter and we will be working on this situation with full attention."
Padilla, who refereed Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier's infamous 'Thrilla in Manila' fight in 1975, made the claims in an interview on the WBC website to mark his induction into the Nevada Boxing Hall of Fame in September.
Padilla said he was told before taking the Hussein bout that it was an "important fight" for Pacquiao's career.
Pacquiao, then 21, went on to defend the belt two more times before beating South Africa's Lehlo Ledwaba in 2001 to claim the IBF super-bantamweight title.
"Manny is not a (super-bantamweight) world champion yet. He was only a god in the Philippines," said Padilla.
"They told me 'Carlos, please, this is an important fight for Manny because the winner will have a chance to fight for the world championship'."
Padilla said he stepped in after Pacquiao was knocked down in the fourth round.
"I am a Filipino and everybody is a Filipino watching the fight," Padilla said. "So I prolong the count. I know how to do it. When he gets up I say to him 'Hey, are you OK?', which is prolonging the fight."
Pacquiao was knocked down again later in the round, but Australian Hussein was deducted a point for an elbow and Padilla said he allowed Pacquiao more recovery time.
Hussein was declared unfit to continue in the 10th round because of a cut, which Padilla said was caused by a headbutt from Pacquiao.
"He (Pacquiao) is shorter. He butted the other guy. It's a cut. I declare it a punch," said Padilla. "If there is a butt, you have to stop the fight and say to the judges 'headbutt' - that's a point deduction. But if you don't do that, and the fight continues, that says it is a good punch."
Padilla said he delayed medical treatment for Hussein then attempted to influence the ringside doctor's decision to have the fight stopped.
"It takes away my responsibility because as a referee that is the best way to do - let the doctor stop the fight," he said.
Hussein, who was 22 at the time and unbeaten in 19 fights, told Fox Sports that he has "never been the same since" the defeat.
"That guy (Padilla), he took everything from me. He took my soul," Hussein said.
Hussein, who now runs a gym in Sydney, won his next 17 fights before losing on points to Mexico's WBC world super-bantamweight champion Oscar Larios in his first world title fight in 2004.
He lost on points to Scotland's Scott Harrison in 2005 when fighting for the WBO world featherweight title.
Hussein finished his career in 2007 with 43 victories and five defeats.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/63793018
Hey...
Back in 2011, the Green Bay Packers beat my Pittsburgh Steelers 31-25 in Super Bowl XLV.
I'm pretty sure there was a controversial referee's call in there that influenced the outcome of the game. The Steelers should have won.
I'm gonna petition the WBC (We Blow Canelo) to go back... albeit in a different sport... and revisit this. I'd like for the Steelers to be declared the rightful winners and the trophy and Super Bowl rings to be taken away from the Green Bay Packers.
Huh :scratchchin: claimed on a wbc run website and interview. About another fighter based out of Australia. Alrighty. They do realize the full fight is available on boobtube? If that was prolonging a count it looked completely normal. Even kept count as ushering Hussein to neutral corner. You can see worse literally every few months. One of the bigger problems in that one was a case of a referee tasked with keeping score as a judge in addition. If they actually rewrite history in this one too, why not make the case to expunge any and all wbc title fights Padilla was a part of. Might want to pack a lunch though as it involves 4 decades.
Pacquiao addressed the furore surrounding the result after a training session in his homeland.
'It is not cheating,' he said.
'We just got favoured because we were on our home court.
'As a boxer I just did the right thing. For me, I'm only just a boxer. I just did my job in the ring.'
A furious Hussein is now seeking justice from the WBC, asking for the bout to be ruled a no contest in a correction similar to the one the body gave his countryman Jeff Fenech, who was recently awarded a fourth world title after being robbed of a win in his 1991 fight with Azumah Nelson.
'He [Padilla] has openly admitted to cheating here - the man in charge of the fight,' Hussein told Daily Mail Australia.
'I mean, if somebody confessed to a crime 20 years later, the police would chase it up. The corruption in this sport is so bad.
'Winning that fight would have changed my life. I missed out on a couple of hundred grand and a world title fight. I would have been able to buy a house and been so much better off.'
Hussein's lawyer has already fired off legal letters to the president of the WBC Mauricio Sulaimán, but the Aussie isn't confident anything will come of it.
'They [the WBC] are the most corrupt commission in the world,' says Hussein. 'There is no respect for them in the boxing world.'
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...23a074db73e884
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Not to rain on Hussein's parade, but... ;)
The longest statute of limitations in the Philippines is 20 years, and that is for crimes that carry an imprisonment of 12 to 40 years. I'm pretty sure this alleged cheating doesn't fall under that category.
Then again... the WBC (We Blow Canelo) could claim "institutional legal autonomy" or some other obscure (illegal) privilege... and end up doing whatever the hell they want.
Seems rewriting history is the new normal for this piece of shit organization, so... why stop there?
None of this shit surprises me. How long before Manny’s Doctor comes out saying he was on PEDs?
the wba gives jake paul some kind of honorary belt
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FkG5GPdW...jpg&name=small
the wbc has four interim champions, they are quickly catching up to the wba's six regular champions. if stephen v brandon is also an interim i'll be five for the wbc
I saw Mauricio Sulaiman wearing a Canelo Alvarez cap in an interview earlier today
What other sport do you see the head of a governing body wearing the merchandise of one of the stars of the sport?
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Answer: I can't think of any right off the bat.
But thanks for pointing that out. It only underscores the painfully obvious (at least to me) over the course of Canelo's career.
i want that cap
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the wbc named nico ali walsh as their prospect of the year
don't really want to get into mauricio sulaiman's nonsense about dmitry bivol but they approved sergey kovalev & artur beterbiev. if dmitry fights canelo mauricio will change his tune in a heartbest
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Yep. Let's not get into it. The Sulaimans have long ago proven they are the most corrupt, self-serving, family in boxing.
And yes... don Mauricio would indeed change his tune in a heartbeat for a Bivol-Ginger fight.
Nauseating.
apparently francis ngannou will be rated at number ten in the next wbc rankings
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So now 0-1 Ngannou ranks ahead of Otto Wallin who lost to arguably a 25lbs lighter and "serious" Fury. This Ngannou experiment will be short lived one way or the another. The wbc is not to be taken serious in any form.
sounds like common sense right. not for the wbc, their rule requires a need for them to prove "intentional ingestion" of a ped by a boxer
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Between that and the refusal to recognize Tszyu vs Turman for the belt suddenly the wbo sounds like the adult in the room.
it reads that wayQuote:
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So a fighter has no excuses and has to take full responsibility for what he puts in his body.
That is right but I worry innocent mistakes can be made and careers tarnished which means their case needs to be heard on its individual facts and merits.
So automatic bans for life should not be the only punishment.
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conor benn moved up from five to three in the wbc's welterweight rankings. his last fight at welter was nearly two years ago
The result of the appeal from the Board should be happening in a few weeks. That will dictate the future fights and career of Conor.Quote:
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WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman said that this was because Crawford had not paid WBC sanctioning fees for his last two fights, against Saul "Canelo" Alvarez this past September and Israil Madrimov in August 2024.
"Champion Crawford allegedly earned $50 million [for] that fight [vs. Alvarez]," Sulaiman explained. "Appreciating the magnitude of that event and the magnitude of those monies, the WBC modifies rules to limit the boxer's bout fees to 0.6% [$300,000] instead of the 3% [$1.5 million], which the rules required."
"The WBC put champion Crawford on notice of his failure to comply with express mandates of the WBC rules and regulations," Sulaiman continued. "Specifically, non-payment of the boxer's bout fees for his last two fights against Israil Madrimov and against Saul Alvarez.
"The WBC sent multiple communications to champion Crawford, his manager, and his legal counsel. Very unfortunately, the WBC did not even receive an acknowledgement of receipt, nor any response to any of those communications.
"The WBC had no choice but to act, considering champion Crawford had received ample notification and multiple opportunities to address and resolve the situation. ... The WBC board has voted to declare vacant the WBC super middleweight title effective immediately."
https://uk.yahoo.com/sports/news/ter...100558377.html
Who the f*** you think I am?" Crawford said in a video posted to social media, filming himself in his car. “Boy, you better slap your f***ing self, I ain’t paying your ass s***. The f*** you talking about, pay you $300,000? What makes you so motherf*****g better than any of the other sanctioning bodies? Answer that question. Everybody accepted what I was giving them. The WBC, you think that you’re better than everybody. You got the f***ing green belt, which don’t mean f***ing s***.
“You want me to pay you more than the other sanctioning bodies,” Crawford alleged, “because you feel like you’re better than them.”
Crawford saying: “You can take the f***ing belt, it’s a trophy anyway. [Why] the f*** am I paying you every time I step foot in the ring? I’m the motherf****r that’s putting my ass on the line, not you.”
The WBC did take the belt, whose iconic green-and-gold design means little to Crawford. He suggested The Ring title, “which is free”, is the “real” belt, although the significance of the famous boxing magazine’s strap is often debated.
Crawford saying: “You can take the f***ing belt, it’s a trophy anyway. [Why] the f*** am I paying you every time I step foot in the ring? I’m the motherf****r that’s putting my ass on the line, not you.”
The WBC did take the belt, whose iconic green-and-gold design means little to Crawford. He suggested The Ring title, “which is free”, is the “real” belt, although the significance of the famous boxing magazine’s strap is often debated.
Other key stories to emerge from the WBC convention have been: the body granting Oleksandr Usyk a voluntary title defence (which the heavyweight king may use to fight an undeserving Deontay Wilder; a reported fight between the great Katie Taylor and UFC icon Ronda Rousey; and Conor Benn being named the WBC’s No 1 contender at welterweight, despite his thin CV.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/terence-cr...121937820.html