This is everything that is wrong with Boxing. I wonder when was the last time that Joyce had any sort of medical to show he’s fit to fight? Disgraceful.
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This is everything that is wrong with Boxing. I wonder when was the last time that Joyce had any sort of medical to show he’s fit to fight? Disgraceful.
Better second round from Joyce getting his jab to work and cutting Hrgovic.
Joyce pressure is winning the 3rd. His jab is good and causing Hrgovic problems.
filip's mentality v joe's chin. gave joe the third
Hrgovic looks tired after 4 rounds of pressure. Will he quit?
Even if Joyce wins it won’t change my mind. How many punches has he taken clean to the head?
how good is derek?
gave joe the fifth
Hrgovic staying in the corner and trying to sneak the right hand but Joyce just putting the pressure in round 5.
Am I watching Jurassic Park 2025 ?
85 power shots to the head in less than 6 rounds! Insane
The rounds are close but I have Joyce way ahead after 6 rounds.
sixth was close, i'll give it to joe
Hrgovic shows his quality and fast hands to win the 7th round.
Good chance this goes to points now which I didn't think I'd be saying and all 3 judges are English, so Hrgo is probably gonna have to get Joe outta there
gave filip the seventh. i have ahead by one point
Did Hrgovic just steal that 8th round with the barrage of punches at the end?
filip stole the eighth towards the end of the round
nineth to filip
Strong quality 9th round for Hrgovic. I have it 5-4 to Joyce.
filip should win this
Tough and close last round but I have Joyce 6-4 but could easily go the other way.
I do think Joyce should retire he takes too much, very slow and not the juggernaut he once was.
Hrgovic won that by a mile.
Hrgo for me on cleaner work. No matter what happens Joyce was way more competitive than I thought
filip gets the unanimous decision
Filip Hrgovic wins UD. One judge had it 9 rounds to 1. Which is insane.
The last judge got it right 98-92. 150 power punches landed to the head versus about 30.
Just because Joyce’s head is made of iron doesn’t mean he wins the round.
I would hate to see a brain scan of Joyce and I worry about where he’ll be in 10 years time.
i could maybe see seven to three at most. joe was more active at times & filip kept going to the ropes. yeah joe might be a mess in a few years but a man has the right to earn his money the way he wants. people put their health at risk everyday in all sorts of waysQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
See in my my opinion “more active” s meaningless if your opponent is landing 5 times more power punches to the head.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICi could maybe see seven to three at most. joe was more active at times & filip kept going to the ropes. yeah joe might be a mess in a few years but a man has the right to earn his money the way he wants. people put their health at risk everyday in all sorts of waysQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Furthermore a man only has the right to earn money how he wants If he is physically fit to do so.
For Joyce’s own well-being he should have his licence taken away .
more active for me means landing more punchesQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraSee in my my opinion “more active” s meaningless if your opponent is landing 5 times more punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICi could maybe see seven to three at most. joe was more active at times & filip kept going to the ropes. yeah joe might be a mess in a few years but a man has the right to earn his money the way he wants. people put their health at risk everyday in all sorts of waysQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
High quality chins & hearts, low quality everything else. Not sure where Joe goes from here. Sounds like he wants to go on. Why ? To be food for Itauma ? To fight Johnny Fischer ? Seriously where can he go ? He should retire, yes he's very lucid and talks fluid but I can see a James Toney / Tommy Hearns speech coming in later years.
what else can he do to make the sort of money he does fighting? i'm not sure if he has been smart with his money, hopefully he has. but if he hasn't then fighting is his best bet to set up his familyQuote:
Originally Posted by Denilson3.0
Well in that case the stats will show that Joyce wasn’t more active.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICmore active for me means landing more punchesQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraSee in my my opinion “more active” s meaningless if your opponent is landing 5 times more punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICi could maybe see seven to three at most. joe was more active at times & filip kept going to the ropes. yeah joe might be a mess in a few years but a man has the right to earn his money the way he wants. people put their health at risk everyday in all sorts of waysQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
punch stats are rubbish. i trust what i'm seeing. joe was out landing filip in certain roundsQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraWell in that case the stats will show that Joyce wasn’t more active.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICmore active for me means landing more punchesQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraSee in my my opinion “more active” s meaningless if your opponent is landing 5 times more punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICi could maybe see seven to three at most. joe was more active at times & filip kept going to the ropes. yeah joe might be a mess in a few years but a man has the right to earn his money the way he wants. people put their health at risk everyday in all sorts of waysQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
That was fugly and not lying a little bit hard to watch. We're getting to a point with some guys where maybe mandatory retirement may be a consideration. Eating punches like that at 40 years old will stay on a man, in every way.
Nah he wasn’t . if you count “tippy tappies” versus full on shots on the head, maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICpunch stats are rubbish. i trust what i'm seeing. joe was out landing filip in certain roundsQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraWell in that case the stats will show that Joyce wasn’t more active.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICmore active for me means landing more punchesQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraSee in my my opinion “more active” s meaningless if your opponent is landing 5 times more punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICi could maybe see seven to three at most. joe was more active at times & filip kept going to the ropes. yeah joe might be a mess in a few years but a man has the right to earn his money the way he wants. people put their health at risk everyday in all sorts of waysQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Punch stats can be bullshit, for example shots that just touch the target or go past.
But common sense will tell you that the less margin for error is with power shots landed, because they are clean.
Midway through round 6 (roughly halfway through the fight) Hrgovic had landed with 85 power shots JUST TO THE HEAD as opposed to 12 from Joyce.
That is a fucking ridiculous stat.
Let’s not forget that this is a sport and there have to be some acknowledgment to safety and wellbeing.
Joyce wins fights with a freakishly durable chin absorbing a crazy volume of shots, which tires the other fighter and he then bowls them over.
While you can applaud that if you like, for his own safety it shouldn’t be allowed.
Just because those shots aren’t concussing him like they would normal people, it doesn’t mean they are not damaging his head long term.
yeah he was. filip is very lazy & spent parts of rounds doing nothing. filip did land numerous head shots but fights are scored by rounds & joe was out landing filip in several rounds. it is a sport & if joe is passing the medicals then i have no issue. i'm not in the business of telling another man what he is allowed to do with his body
Exactly that! When do you think he had his last medical? Or any Boxers for that matter? They have to jump through hoops to get their licence, after that nobody gives a flying fuck.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
As for “I’m not in the business of telling another man what to do with his body” , yep, the sort of people that say that are the sort of people who say “oh yeah that’s really sad , what a warrior!” When a fighter gets dementia and can’t remember his own name.
i think he would have had his last medical prior to this fight to be cleared. this fight was in the uk? so you should have a better idea than me. over here they are pretty strict, especially with a fight that is on the level of being televised. it is sad to see anyone suffer from any illness but that is not a reason for me to tell another man what he can & can't do with his body & life. people put their health/ lives at risk everyday in all sorts of ways but i'm not going to take away someone's freedom of how they want to live their lives because i don't agree with how they're living it. joe wants to box so he consents to the license & medicals that the sport subject him to, it is up to the sport, those involved & joe himself to make sure he meets those standards. we both know many fighters throughout history, even today that shouldn't have been cleared to fight, yes it's sad how some of them end up but if they chose to fight & weren't forced to, then i have no issue. i'd rather someone be free to choose how they live their life