Exactly and (old slow RJJ) before then when was he embarrassed. I don't remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by FLH2o
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Exactly and (old slow RJJ) before then when was he embarrassed. I don't remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by FLH2o
have yet to see a 60 punch combination by PBF. Or 10 straight left hooks in under 4 seconds ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyrokai
Y'all musta forgot :rotflmao:
OK You guys can believe what you want.
But let me say this. RJJ faught at 154-200lbs while PBF only faught guys from 130-147lbs. When he can dominate welterweight and middle weight then give me a call. ;D
I am a floyd and roy jones fan but right now jones is still far ahead of PBF.
Roy is only an athletic, punch-flurry, idiot! Can you explain that? Don King knows.
as an obvious fan of both of them...RJJ, PBF, and holyfield are top 3 favs....but as far as this thread...I thought RJJ is second to SRR....and said Floyd would be third...but once he (PBF) retires he will surpass RJJ for the number 2 spot and if he remains unbeaten he will IMO be the best ever...RJJ was the best thing in the sport for fifteen years 49-1...before he lost....really 49-0 the DQ..... Floyd is much better technically and as far as athlectic ability RJJ was great but floyd could fight the same way too if was trained that way, but it doesn't benefit a fighter in the long run to only rely on physical athleticism because once you slow down a step you get clipped like ROy did...PBF's technical style and ability to take a punch gives him more of a chance to remain unbeaten and not be starched by one punch...So this makes his potential to better than Roy possible...he has to keep going though....until then he's 3 and RJJ is 2...
Answer this...what happened to Roy when his athleticism faded a little?
Answer this, what will happen when Floyd is 36 ???
well in my post i stated that it wasn't benficial in the long run to only rely on athleticsm...that why he got starched once he slowed a bit...also his mental hunger probably wasn't the same either..but he clearly got hit by punches that wouldn't a have landed had he still been prime....Quote:
Originally Posted by baller
floyd is better equipped technically to fight at 36 because he doesn't rely on just his athletic ability...and he can a much better shot than can or could even in his prime...floyd can fight any style....but like i said in my previous post he has keep winning for another 8 years...until then he's still behind RJJ...But clearly his potential to be consider greater is higher than roy's...Quote:
Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
Floyd has potential but I think 147 is the wrong weight class. Since the fights get harder, and maybe thats because the opposition is getting tougher.
Yeah but roy got ko'd by guys that were over 180lbs. PBF might be able to take a punch at 147 but I wouldn't doubt he'll get knocked on his arse at 154.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
roy got beat by father time, someone who even mayweather cannot elude.
roy jones didnt need his hands to not get hit, floyd is NOWHERE close to roy jonesQuote:
Originally Posted by drgoodlooking
True for the most part...he did catch a lot of punches with his gloves esp when he fought southpaws...but as i said earlier...once he lost a step he got caught...this is because of poor technical skills....Floyd on the other hand is equipped to handle aging better than roy because he can sit inside the pocket and dodge punches roy never did that...floyd is very effective on the inside..which is what most older fightershave to resort to...floyd would still be able to slip punches on the inside and land hard enough shots to hurt his opponnent even at 36...barring some major physical damage floyd will still be able to use his slick inside moves to slipp punches and land his...much like Toney does now...a man that roy beat, yet he's still competitive and Roy is done...because roy's ability and greatness relied on his athletic skills and time them away...leaving him with an exposed jaw...Quote:
Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
this is true, but if both are in thier 20's jones would make him look like an amatuer, if floyd could even take his punches long enough for that to happen
It's not Roy's fault his reflexes slowed down.
And remember Mayweather said that 90 percent of "his" game is reflexes.
So without those reflexes Floyd would be done too. Reflexes escape with time, something Floyd will not be immortal to either.
that's unfair to say because roy started at 154, floyd might not even get that high..and floyd at 130 was too quick much like roy at 160 was too quick...if they both were 20...floyd would be 126-130,Roy would be154-160 so of course he'd hurt floyd...Trust me Roy Jones is my all time favorite and floyd is right behind him...but looking at they're styles if it were imaginable...given brain power, boxing skills, speed, cornermen, styles floyd would win...because he could effectively pressure Roy...and be quick enough to stay with him when he tries to evade...it wouldn't be a blowout by far on either side, but i think floyd would win...but since there's no real plausible way to even compare them at a resonable weight because they're so far apart...it's pointless...but Myweather if he continues on his path..he will be mentioned ahead of Roy Jones....think about this...if Floyd beats Hatton and Margarito...who else could he fight that would truly benefit his place in boxing history...nobody...so he really only needs two more fights and he could retire....Quote:
Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
floyd wouldnt be able to hit roy
if bernard hopkins hit Roy...Floyd would hit him alot....Quote:
Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
Floyd wouldn't be able to reach Roy. Because Roy had a habit of hitting opponents right when they thought about hitting him.
Not yet, If he continues his roll he could be. I think we all have forgot how badass Jones Jr was.... Everybody gets old.
well, at least you can say nobody is saying Mayweather is better then Tommy Morrison ;)
Are you serious, because I love RJJ, but B-Hop hit him with straight right hands in their fight, and Floyd is WAAAAAY faster than B-Hop he would hit Roy alot....Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
This is "Hopkins" And Floyd isn't even on Hopkins level.
How many right hands did the faster James Toney land on Roy?
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Originally Posted by Starr
Now you're just being ridiculous...Hopkins is gritty and great..but the Hopkins that Roy fought is light years behind PBF....even the eventual B-HOP is behind PBF...who was it that Hopkins beat that made him better than PBF? oh the little bitty Trinidad and De La Hoya...also remeber that Hopkins' greatness is courtesy of RJJ...because he moved out of the division..PBF is earning his...Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
roy jones jr and floyd mayweather are not even close to the mighty butterbean
in weight size
He'll be retired.Quote:
Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
Neither was it Evander Holyfield's fault either. I think Floyd will be smarter than Jones and get out of the game soon enough instead of waiting so long. Mayweather should have just enough fights and retire without losing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
You're comparing PBF to Roy when it comes to what they were physically capable and thats a little silly. If Floyd was capable of fighting in RJ's style im sure he would, but it's doubtful that he can. Atleast I don't think he could on account of his slower footwork. Especially at 147 his footwork just isn't the same. And i'm not convinced he can take a good shot yet because Judah didn't hit him flush and nearly make his head snap off the way he did Cory Spinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Floyds good but he struggled against castillo in fight 1, Im not all that impressed, hes a great fighter but had he come along when osscar shane and other were at the lighter weights he may have lost pretty soon. Pernell whitaker would have beat after seeing the judah fight
agreed sirQuote:
Originally Posted by pacdog
Im sorry Roys hand speed wa sin another class, floyd is fast but Im not sure if you put him in with a prime delahoya, mosley and certainly leonard if he would be the fastest gun. Roy might lose to certain fighters of the past but he certainly has the fastest hands ever in his class and if you argue that your lying, their may have been people who could have boxed with him though, floyd however if he was quicker than a prime delahoy it wasnt by much and the difference would be power at lower weights
What hurts Mayweather is not having natural power (I call it not being mean enough). Deceptive power and natural power are 2 different things, and Jones had vicious striking to go with his speed. Gotta suck to be able to do all the things Floyd can but still lack the 1 punch everyone wants to see :)
Hopkins "earned" his greatness too. He didn't go for a decade with his title ducking no one for no reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
You are a Roy Jones Jr. fan? If you want to bring up Hopkins I bring up Castillo 1, and before you say Floyd had a broken hand or rib, so did Roy when he fought Hopkins.
And you avoided my question, how many right hands did the faster James Toney land on Roy?