Re: prime tyson vs prime lewis
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PRIME Tyson was like a force of nature - speed, power, combinations, head movement ........ he was elusive and did not go looking for the one punch blowout. He was also the most aggressive opening rounds fighter I have ever seen. Period.
Lewis - in my opinion only - was a superb athlete who happened to be a boxer. Speed, coordination, reflexes, confidence etc, but I still don't think he was ever a natural.
At the end of it all - despote what happened to Tyson later on, nobody could ever say he had a poor chin, unlike Lennox.
That's why I think Tyson would win.
I think Lewis was older than Tyson when he first got KO'ed and Tyson has been TKO'ed or KO'ed more often than Lewis...
Re: prime tyson vs prime lewis
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Originally Posted by X
PRIME Tyson was like a force of nature - speed, power, combinations, head movement ........ he was elusive and did not go looking for the one punch blowout. He was also the most aggressive opening rounds fighter I have ever seen. Period.
Lewis - in my opinion only - was a superb athlete who happened to be a boxer. Speed, coordination, reflexes, confidence etc, but I still don't think he was ever a natural.
At the end of it all - despote what happened to Tyson later on, nobody could ever say he had a poor chin, unlike Lennox.
That's why I think Tyson would win.
I think Lewis was older than Tyson when he first got KO'ed and Tyson has been TKO'ed or KO'ed more often than Lewis...
u cant bring age into it when it comes to lewis tyson because although they were the same age almost lewis was just peaking and tyson had peaked 14 years before against spinks 88
Re: prime tyson vs prime lewis
Tyson stops Lewis, period.
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Tyson stops Lewis, period.
Right.
His prime was better than Lennox's.
I will not budge on this fact. ;)
Re: prime tyson vs prime lewis
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i have never really liked tyson i think he is way overated u should see people on youtube saying hes best ever not even ali could beat him lol ;)
Well who knows Ali might not have beaten him the ali that fought Foreman would not have Tyson would woup his ass the Ali that fought Big cat williams would have i think but we will never no its all a matter of opinion.
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i have never really liked tyson i think he is way overated u should see people on youtube saying hes best ever not even ali could beat him lol   ;)
Well who knows Ali might not have beaten him the ali that fought Foreman would not have Tyson would woup his a** the Ali that fought Big cat williams would have i think but we will never no its all a matter of opinion.
well foreman is stronger than tyson if he could take foremans punches he could take tysons punches all i know is tyson would go for the kill early ali would weather his storm and stop him late
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i have never really liked tyson i think he is way overated u should see people on youtube saying hes best ever not even ali could beat him lol ;)
Well who knows Ali might not have beaten him the ali that fought Foreman would not have Tyson would woup his a** the Ali that fought Big cat williams would have i think but we will never no its all a matter of opinion.
well foreman is stronger than tyson if he could take foremans punches he could take tysons punches all i know is tyson would go for the kill early ali would weather his storm and stop him late
You dont know that though. Foreman and Mike on punching power is a close call. Plus Foreman's punches where about 100 times slower then a Prime Mike's. He had nothing near the defence ability either.
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Originally Posted by T.N.T
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i have never really liked tyson i think he is way overated u should see people on youtube saying hes best ever not even ali could beat him lol ;)
Well who knows Ali might not have beaten him the ali that fought Foreman would not have Tyson would woup his a** the Ali that fought Big cat williams would have i think but we will never no its all a matter of opinion.
well foreman is stronger than tyson if he could take foremans punches he could take tysons punches all i know is tyson would go for the kill early ali would weather his storm and stop him late
You dont know that though. Foreman and Mike on punching power is a close call. Plus Foreman's punches where about 100 times slower then a Prime Mike's. He had nothing near the defence ability either.
yea i do foreman used to leave dents in the heavybag foreman is stronger than tyson im pretty sure of that and if they fought prime for prime i say foreman quite early because remember fraizer vs foreman well fraizer had similar style to tyson and look what happened to him and tyson hasnt got the heart or chin fraizer has
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by cockey cockney
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i have never really liked tyson i think he is way overated u should see people on youtube saying hes best ever not even ali could beat him lol ;)
Well who knows Ali might not have beaten him the ali that fought Foreman would not have Tyson would woup his a** the Ali that fought Big cat williams would have i think but we will never no its all a matter of opinion.
well foreman is stronger than tyson if he could take foremans punches he could take tysons punches all i know is tyson would go for the kill early ali would weather his storm and stop him late
You dont know that though. Foreman and Mike on punching power is a close call. Plus Foreman's punches where about 100 times slower then a Prime Mike's. He had nothing near the defence ability either.
yea i do foreman used to leave dents in the heavybag foreman is stronger than tyson im pretty sure of that and if they fought prime for prime i say foreman quite early because remember fraizer vs foreman well fraizer had similar style to tyson and look what happened to him and tyson hasnt got the heart or chin fraizer has
Foreman couldn't deal with Jimmy Young's defense how could he deal with Tyson's?
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i have never really liked tyson i think he is way overated u should see people on youtube saying hes best ever not even ali could beat him lol ;)
Well who knows Ali might not have beaten him the ali that fought Foreman would not have Tyson would woup his a** the Ali that fought Big cat williams would have i think but we will never no its all a matter of opinion.
well foreman is stronger than tyson if he could take foremans punches he could take tysons punches all i know is tyson would go for the kill early ali would weather his storm and stop him late
You dont know that though. Foreman and Mike on punching power is a close call. Plus Foreman's punches where about 100 times slower then a Prime Mike's. He had nothing near the defence ability either.
yea i do foreman used to leave dents in the heavybag foreman is stronger than tyson im pretty sure of that and if they fought prime for prime i say foreman quite early because remember fraizer vs foreman well fraizer had similar style to tyson and look what happened to him and tyson hasnt got the heart or chin fraizer has
Foreman couldn't deal with Jimmy Young's defense how could he deal with Tyson's?
foreman wasnt in his prime plus young is totally different fighter to tyson u might aswell say how would tyson deal with foremans power if he was koed by douglas and tkoed by holyfield ;)
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by cockey cockney
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by T.N.T
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i have never really liked tyson i think he is way overated u should see people on youtube saying hes best ever not even ali could beat him lol ;)
Well who knows Ali might not have beaten him the ali that fought Foreman would not have Tyson would woup his a** the Ali that fought Big cat williams would have i think but we will never no its all a matter of opinion.
well foreman is stronger than tyson if he could take foremans punches he could take tysons punches all i know is tyson would go for the kill early ali would weather his storm and stop him late
You dont know that though. Foreman and Mike on punching power is a close call. Plus Foreman's punches where about 100 times slower then a Prime Mike's. He had nothing near the defence ability either.
yea i do foreman used to leave dents in the heavybag foreman is stronger than tyson im pretty sure of that and if they fought prime for prime i say foreman quite early because remember fraizer vs foreman well fraizer had similar style to tyson and look what happened to him and tyson hasnt got the heart or chin fraizer has
Foreman couldn't deal with Jimmy Young's defense how could he deal with Tyson's?
foreman wasnt in his prime plus young is totally different fighter to tyson u might aswell say how would tyson deal with foremans power if he was koed by douglas and tkoed by holyfield ;)
Then I could say that Douglas and Holyfield both threw pinpoint short and accurate shots. Not swings from left field with windups
Re: prime tyson vs prime lewis
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by cockey cockney
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Originally Posted by T.N.T
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i have never really liked tyson i think he is way overated u should see people on youtube saying hes best ever not even ali could beat him lol   ;)
Well who knows Ali might not have beaten him the ali that fought Foreman would not have Tyson would woup his a** the Ali that fought Big cat williams would have i think but we will never no its all a matter of opinion.
well foreman is stronger than tyson if he could take foremans punches he could take tysons punches all i know is tyson would go for the kill early ali would weather his storm and stop him late
You dont know that though. Foreman and Mike on punching power is a close call. Plus Foreman's punches where about 100 times slower then a Prime Mike's. He had nothing near the defence ability either.
yea i do foreman used to leave dents in the heavybag foreman is stronger than tyson im pretty sure of that and if they fought prime for prime i say foreman quite early because remember fraizer vs foreman well fraizer had similar style to tyson and look what happened to him and tyson hasnt got the heart or chin fraizer has
Foreman couldn't deal with Jimmy Young's defense how could he deal with Tyson's?
foreman wasnt in his prime plus young is totally different fighter to tyson u might aswell say how would tyson deal with foremans power if he was koed by douglas and tkoed by holyfield  ;)
Then I could say that Douglas and Holyfield both threw pinpoint short and accurate shots.  Not swings from left field with windups
ruddock used to swing aswell with hooks and uppercuts and ruddock wobbled and hurt tyson in both fights on quite few occasions and foreman is better fighter than ruddock plus stronger
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by cockey cockney
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by T.N.T
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i have never really liked tyson i think he is way overated u should see people on youtube saying hes best ever not even ali could beat him lol ;)
Well who knows Ali might not have beaten him the ali that fought Foreman would not have Tyson would woup his a** the Ali that fought Big cat williams would have i think but we will never no its all a matter of opinion.
well foreman is stronger than tyson if he could take foremans punches he could take tysons punches all i know is tyson would go for the kill early ali would weather his storm and stop him late
You dont know that though. Foreman and Mike on punching power is a close call. Plus Foreman's punches where about 100 times slower then a Prime Mike's. He had nothing near the defence ability either.
yea i do foreman used to leave dents in the heavybag foreman is stronger than tyson im pretty sure of that and if they fought prime for prime i say foreman quite early because remember fraizer vs foreman well fraizer had similar style to tyson and look what happened to him and tyson hasnt got the heart or chin fraizer has
Foreman couldn't deal with Jimmy Young's defense how could he deal with Tyson's?
foreman wasnt in his prime plus young is totally different fighter to tyson u might aswell say how would tyson deal with foremans power if he was koed by douglas and tkoed by holyfield ;)
Then I could say that Douglas and Holyfield both threw pinpoint short and accurate shots. Not swings from left field with windups
ruddock used to swing aswell with hooks and uppercuts and ruddock wobbled and hurt tyson in both fights on quite few occasions and foreman is better fighter than ruddock plus stronger
When did he wobble and hurt Tyson in both fights on quite a few occasions? Maybe the final seconds of the rematch but not anywhere else. And btw if we're going prime for prime it wouldnt be a prime tyson would it? ;)
Re: prime tyson vs prime lewis
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by cockey cockney
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by T.N.T
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i have never really liked tyson i think he is way overated u should see people on youtube saying hes best ever not even ali could beat him lol   ;)
Well who knows Ali might not have beaten him the ali that fought Foreman would not have Tyson would woup his a** the Ali that fought Big cat williams would have i think but we will never no its all a matter of opinion.
well foreman is stronger than tyson if he could take foremans punches he could take tysons punches all i know is tyson would go for the kill early ali would weather his storm and stop him late
You dont know that though. Foreman and Mike on punching power is a close call. Plus Foreman's punches where about 100 times slower then a Prime Mike's. He had nothing near the defence ability either.
yea i do foreman used to leave dents in the heavybag foreman is stronger than tyson im pretty sure of that and if they fought prime for prime i say foreman quite early because remember fraizer vs foreman well fraizer had similar style to tyson and look what happened to him and tyson hasnt got the heart or chin fraizer has
Foreman couldn't deal with Jimmy Young's defense how could he deal with Tyson's?
foreman wasnt in his prime plus young is totally different fighter to tyson u might aswell say how would tyson deal with foremans power if he was koed by douglas and tkoed by holyfield  ;)
Then I could say that Douglas and Holyfield both threw pinpoint short and accurate shots.  Not swings from left field with windups
ruddock used to swing aswell with hooks and uppercuts and ruddock wobbled and hurt tyson in both fights on quite few occasions and foreman is better fighter than ruddock plus stronger
When did he wobble and hurt Tyson in both fights on quite a few occasions?  Maybe the final seconds of the rematch but not anywhere else.  And btw if we're going prime for prime it wouldnt be a prime tyson would it? ;)
1st fight 6 th round he hurt tyson with left hook and some uppercuts and right hands 2nd fight i think he knocked his mouth piece out in 5th round in 9th or 8th round he hurt him aswell he hurt him some more aswell cant remember it all though tyson landed some many low blows against ruddock aswell in 2nd fight umm i dont think there was much difference between 80s and 1991 version he still had head movement the power and the chin because he took some bombs off ruddock and he was still young
Re: prime tyson vs prime lewis
plus this was his weight against spinks=218¼
his weight against berbick his two best fights=221¼
this was his weight for first ruddock fight= 217
and his weight for 2nd ruddock fight= 216 so he was actually lighter vs ruddock and he was in good shape so all this tyson prime ended in 86 and 88 is nonsense he still had headmovement vs ruddock plus power plus chin
