Re: Donaire vs. Rigondeaux - Saturday night fight/chat thread
If your credentials are "Champion" then I demand "max effort ever time out"! Donaire for whatever reason came unprepared, I've lost respect for him and I could see he wasn't prepared before the bell had rung! Rigo on the other hand does "just enough" and when I see high skill levels that aren't maximized it puzzles me and I ask "why not perform at your MAX"?
Today you will rarely see a fighter exhausted at the end of a fight and you don't have to be hard pressed to get like that however you do need to give your BEST effort! Rigo could have stopped Donaire from the 9th round on, he saw it and refused to accelorate his offense. To me thats the main difference in the fighters from the 30s thru the 60s, they fought hard throughout a fight and gave a "max effort"!!!! Donaire never laid it out to try and over come his conditioning flaws and Rigo never laid it out to win in spectacular fashion. To be considered great thats what great fighters do, or atleast did!!!
Today everyone is a champion and fans think their favorite guy is great!!! Right now in boxing their are NOGreat fighters. Theres a few men who excell at certain facets of the game but theres no one who is THE package! Rigo is a Star, he just refuses to polish himself and try to Shine! Ray.
Re: Donaire vs. Rigondeaux - Saturday night fight/chat thread
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ray corso
If your credentials are "Champion" then I demand "max effort ever time out"! Donaire for whatever reason came unprepared, I've lost respect for him and I could see he wasn't prepared before the bell had rung! Rigo on the other hand does "just enough" and when I see high skill levels that aren't maximized it puzzles me and I ask "why not perform at your MAX"?
Today you will rarely see a fighter exhausted at the end of a fight and you don't have to be hard pressed to get like that however you do need to give your BEST effort! Rigo could have stopped Donaire from the 9th round on, he saw it and refused to accelorate his offense. To me thats the main difference in the fighters from the 30s thru the 60s, they fought hard throughout a fight and gave a "max effort"!!!! Donaire never laid it out to try and over come his conditioning flaws and Rigo never laid it out to win in spectacular fashion. To be considered great thats what great fighters do, or atleast did!!!
Today everyone is a champion and fans think their favorite guy is great!!! Right now in boxing their are NOGreat fighters. Theres a few men who excell at certain facets of the game but theres no one who is THE package! Rigo is a Star, he just refuses to polish himself and try to Shine! Ray.
We used to work 20 miles to school every day... in the snow. :rolleyes: go and ask me bollox
Re: Donaire vs. Rigondeaux - Saturday night fight/chat thread
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*I had it 118-109... Nonito lost 11 rounds... Nonito looks like he undeestimated what Rigo could do... in the end, Nonito's face was a mess as well... anyone who has it for Nonito should be ashamed
You are wrong and just because you write in red does not make you right.
*I'M WRONG? Donaire lost 11 rounds.. if i'm wrong..ok, 117-110, but that's it. And honestly, i couldn't tell u which other round Donaire won other than the round he knocked Rigo down. This fight wasn't even close... and i read one guy posting he had 5 even rounds..c'mon..b a man, score the damn round.
and to those that say"Rigo threw no punches"..just look at Donaires face.
Although it wasn't entertaining to the average fan... to a boxing purest, it was extremily interesting. Two great fighter got in the ring and one totally dominated the other... if this fight had gone three more, Donaire wouldve been Ko'ed. i don't think so..i know so.
p.s look past the red...it's the content that u need to worry about.
Re: Donaire vs. Rigondeaux - Saturday night fight/chat thread
Re: Donaire vs. Rigondeaux - Saturday night fight/chat thread
Thats "walk" not "work" moron!! What I forgot about boxing you'll never know!! If you don't understand talent and skill levels and the effort that needs to accompany those attributes just sit there and stay retarded! High standards means high reward and that comes from effort if you OP bigstinkybug (how juvenile is that) don't understand that or don't think its valid you don't understand competition!!
I notice your comments are about the members opinions and rarely about the methods & techniques used in the sport is that because you don't know shit about boxing or your just one of those jackoffs looking for an "internet fight"? damn kids!! :cool: Ray
Re: Donaire vs. Rigondeaux - Saturday night fight/chat thread
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Originally Posted by
ray corso
If your credentials are "Champion" then I demand "max effort ever time out"! Donaire for whatever reason came unprepared, I've lost respect for him and I could see he wasn't prepared before the bell had rung! Rigo on the other hand does "just enough" and when I see high skill levels that aren't maximized it puzzles me and I ask "why not perform at your MAX"?
Today you will rarely see a fighter exhausted at the end of a fight and you don't have to be hard pressed to get like that however you do need to give your BEST effort! Rigo could have stopped Donaire from the 9th round on, he saw it and refused to accelorate his offense. To me thats the main difference in the fighters from the 30s thru the 60s, they fought hard throughout a fight and gave a "max effort"!!!! Donaire never laid it out to try and over come his conditioning flaws and Rigo never laid it out to win in spectacular fashion. To be considered great thats what great fighters do, or atleast did!!!
Today everyone is a champion and fans think their favorite guy is great!!! Right now in boxing their are NOGreat fighters. Theres a few men who excell at certain facets of the game but theres no one who is THE package! Rigo is a Star, he just refuses to polish himself and try to Shine! Ray.
*What they need to do is set some money aside... maybe 25% of the entire purse... the one who gets a ko gets that money as a bonus.
should there not be a knockout, then the money goes to "the boxing relief fund"..or "Boxers retirement fund" that doesn't exist BUT ,should be made.
the only fights that should be treated in this fashion r the purses that surpass 1 million... a smaller percentag, say.. 15% for $500k fights purses..ect,ect...
Re: Donaire vs. Rigondeaux - Saturday night fight/chat thread
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ray corso
Thats "walk" not "work" moron!! What I forgot about boxing you'll never know!! If you don't understand talent and skill levels and the effort that needs to accompany those attributes just sit there and stay retarded! High standards means high reward and that comes from effort if you OP bigstinkybug (how juvenile is that) don't understand that or don't think its valid you don't understand competition!!
I notice your comments are about the members opinions and rarely about the methods & techniques used in the sport is that because you don't know shit about boxing or your just one of those jackoffs looking for an "internet fight"? damn kids!! :cool: Ray
*Donaire came in unprepared for what Rigo did... Did i thik Rigo could avoid Donaires punches for 12 rounds?..NO. and i'm sure niether did Donaire. competition is one thing... to totally outbox a "fighter of the year" guy and "p4p'er"..without really recieving any damage ,is masterful. The compettion was one sided. Rigo outclassed Donaire... and gave him a boxing lesson to remember.
this is very similar to what May did to Marquez...
Re: Donaire vs. Rigondeaux - Saturday night fight/chat thread
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I had Rigo winning by one round. I was counting landing clean shots on my fingers by having one fighter as one hand and the other the other hand, then removing shots off when Im out of fingers,works well until someone gets five clear shots ahead never happened in this fight though. I was giving Donaire the rounds where he was landing the odd harder shot. Dont think one of the judges did that though.
TBH, i'm disappointed in the result, I was expecting to see the Cuban "amateur" get his 'jackel' ass kicked. I'm not about to become a fan anytime soon.
You've got to give Rigo credit, he negated Donaire's power with his slick defense and countered well all night. With the exception of the KD in the 10th round, Donaire's punches were for the most part ineffective.
Nice you give him credit mate, by why the never going to be a fan comment?
Well Im more a fan after yesterday, he seems like a nice fellow too, I dont care what nick name they give him. Are you thinking of Carlos the Jackel enemy of the western free world?;D
Those punches would have been effective on anyone else in that weight class,
Rigo was dissolving them into nothing and evading with movements that some other people (not you MArs) here dont think was good boxing :confused:
Just cause he broke distance occasionally which broke up Donaires timing up as well!! Shit guys, thats exactly what boxing is about too ;D.
Just cause someone moves forward with one intention doesnt earn them points unless they dominate; outscore the other and are not getting countered.
(Its harder to evade and counter than it is to move forward with one intention). ,And that isnt dictating the fight! That is stupidity and Donaire admitted it himself.
Re: Donaire vs. Rigondeaux - Saturday night fight/chat thread
Silkyjoe: Man, i just didn't see it. I saw totally boxing exhibition. Donaire looked lost..and when he turned up his fight game, lost sight from one eye and had to fight with one eye. I also thought Rigo saw a hurt animal in round 12 and was going for a KO... 10 rounds 2(maybe)
Re: Donaire vs. Rigondeaux - Saturday night fight/chat thread
*What they need to do is set some money aside... maybe 25% of the entire purse... the one who gets a ko gets that money as a bonus.
should there not be a knockout, then the money goes to "the boxing relief fund"..or "Boxers retirement fund" that doesn't exist BUT ,should be made.
the only fights that should be treated in this fashion r the purses that surpass 1 million... a smaller percentag, say.. 15% for $500k fights purses..ect,ect...
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This is a retarded idea. Go follow MMA, you'll love it.[/QUOTE]
*lol... really..i thoght it was pretty good.. it creates an incentive to get the ko... and could give revenue to a much need relief fund for old boxers... did u know ,it's said that amatuers with 20 plus fights have very minimal brain damage..it's very minimal, but brain cells have died after just 20-30 amatuer fights...
i love MMA... it's awesome... but i'm a two time GG champion and in my day, sparred with world amatuer national champs- to pan american gold medalist to world champs... and could more than hold my own.. just saying.
p.s... i have ideas and i'm not afraid to put them out there.. don't b that guy that shoots down evey idea, and has none... anyway, just an opinion.
Re: Donaire vs. Rigondeaux - Saturday night fight/chat thread
Boxing is about "Styles" the fans so-called p4p king looked bad against a highly skilled boxer! What does that say about the fans? Its always the fans talking shit about the fighters and their do's and don't's how about the fans taking some ridicule for their p4p king choice!!! The p4p title is just another stupid title in a sport thats loaded with stupid titles!!! Donaire cheated the fans and Rigo from his best effort, he cheated me too. His effort was minimal and thats not to say that Rigo was giving everything too, he wasn't! Ray.
