Re: Gennady Golovkin vs. Kell Brook
I wouldnt be sure on either winning but Golovkin wouldnt win easy. Some would say he didnt win easy last night and Eubank would in my opinion do a similar job on Brook, maybe better given that he lets his hands go more.
Im dissapointed Eubank is teading water wasting time with another British title fight. Although he thinks hes ready for the elite id like to see him fight Jacobs or Lemieux. Someone that will offer a bit of danger.
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs. Kell Brook
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I wouldnt be sure on either winning but Golovkin wouldnt win easy. Some would say he didnt win easy last night and Eubank would in my opinion do a similar job on Brook, maybe better given that he lets his hands go more.
Im dissapointed Eubank is teading water wasting time with another British title fight. Although he thinks hes ready for the elite id like to see him fight Jacobs or Lemieux. Someone that will offer a bit of danger.
Either of them would be a great fight just to show us what level he really is at
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs. Kell Brook
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Brook gave a good performance the eye damage if the socket is broken the stoppage is correct.
GGG is a tough guy but Brook showed us a blue print how to beat him but who, GGG would wipe the floor with BJS it may be time for Eubank to step up.
I said before the brook fight I believe jr would beat ggg
Jr. Wouldn't last 3 rounds. That's why they never took the fight.
Junior would go further as he is big, fast and better durability, he still would lose.
Junior hasn't got the skill to avoid GGG and GGG would walk through Junior. Either It would be a mini war while it lasted , with GGG KO'ing him, or Junior would try to be a bit cagey and because he doesn't have the skill set of Brook, he would still get KTFO. Just a case of how long Jr. Could take it as we aren't sure of his chin (please don't say he's inherited his Dad's chin, because we couldn't possibly know that.)
I have to say the 2nd round must be the best round of Brook's career all things considered. Absolutely fucking brilliant.
I'd venture to say Jr. would get it worse than Brook. It seems like there's no way on the internet this morning to give Brook credit without discrediting GGG or vice versa for most people, but i'm going to take a shot at it.
Brook did an amazing job. First by design and then as the fight came to a finish, by desperation. Fast hard combos with an extra 15 pounds of muscle on him. He avoid many wide shots and never missed an opportunity at a counter after a wide miss. Hoping to get some respect that stopped the bum rush. They say the cornered animal is the most dangerous. The stoppage by the corner was a dignity call. Kellerman tweeted that roy called it in between rounds that brook was giving up. His corner throwing in the towel was a way to set up brook for the courageous "im a warrior, go out on my shield" protest... but you have to agree that there was no need for brook to take any more damage that could change him when he's still got the skills to be the tops in lower division.
As for GGG, I can't say that there was validation to the illness theory as they neared the weigh in/ fight. He did look a little off and if he was sick, i doubt we would have gotten an admission before the fight. After the fight maybe, but probably from Sanchez and not GGG. I do think in the future he will fly over with more lead time to get adjusted than just a week... but for this fight if he claims to be 100%, he's essentially relinquished his rights to any excuses. That being said, so many people claiming GGG was "exposed" seem to be overlooking the fact that he was hardly trying to look like a surgeon out there. There was no picking his punches or using any ring generalship to corral brook and dissect him in a corner. It came off as more of a "im hungover and not really feelin this sh*t... Lets just bang it out so I can move the hell on..." kind of performance more than the "Big drama fight" he says he was going for. Still kudos for doing what he had to do. I'm sure with the drag in trying to find an opponent, fight abroad etc, maybe he kind of felt that way like more trouble than it might have been worth... but I'm also sure that trying to outbox a slick "cutie" from 2 divisions down that's got the speed advantage and stylistic advantage on you was probably not on his mind from the beginning. Especially after Canelos destruction of Khan. It could have been, but after the first shots were exchanged, it was too easy to go for the most direct route. If brooks firepower bothered GGG, and an adjustment was required... it would have been made and he would have started working off multiple jabs, punched for more angles and cut off the ring better.
So with Jr. being a more natural middleweight of considerable size, I think the threat posed to GGG would call for a more strategic and measured attack that exposes him less and increases his accuracy. Hence it would look more like lemieux than brook.
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs. Kell Brook
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Jr could have the beating of Golovkin!
Jr is strong and has tons of stamina. Golovkin is patient and lets the opponent work then comes back. Id be very interested to see Eubank real off those big combinations and how Golovkin deals with it.
But Jr. Has no head movement. Or does that only matter for Brook?
Jr does move his head quite a lot actually. More so his upper body. Been a few times in his fights he lets the opponent fire off shots while he slips them all showing off.
Brook comes from the ingle gym and head movement or being elusive is one of the things their fighters are known for. I think whats happened with Brook is hes been able to boil down to welter and enjoys such a strength advantage that hes fallen in love with his strength. That doesnt translate when he fights at a more natural weight though and if he had used more of the ingles style maybe hed have heard the final bell.
Jr. Has no head movement whatsoever, certainly nowhere near as much as Brook. And as for this "upper body movement ", that's a different thing and it won't stop him getting KTFO. In his only "decent level" fight so far against Saunders, he lost the first 6 rounds because he had no answer to Saunders's movement and Saunders was hitting him fairly easily. In the next 6 rounds, he won about 4 of those, certainly no more out of desperation and Saunders's poor stamina.
Neither of those scenario will help him against GGG. He's too easy to hit and he doesn't hit hard enough to deter GGG from walking him down. The only thing that will keep Eubank in the fight for a bit longer is his seriously good conditioning, but getting hit harder than you've ever been hit before takes that out of you as well.
I would rather GGG tells Eubank to fuck off and fights Jacobs or Degale. Although I seriously doubt Degale gets in the ring with him.
Eubank can carry on fighting British level and maybe end up along with Saunders , conning the British public a bit more with a meaningless rematch.
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs. Kell Brook
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Well, I am getting quite excited about this fight.
It's true that Brooke is not only taking the toughest assignment in boxing today, but also doing it never having fought at the weight before. I understand why GGG is the prohibitive favourite as he has now reached the stage in his career when he becomes a 'crossover' fighter and attains almost mythical status within the sport while still fighting. Floyd was the same, so was Tyson, Leonard, Chavez, Curry and others.
BUT .... I've always rated Brooke as a fighter. He has elements of that very confusing Wincobank style but can also really dig with his punches. Carson Jones apart, which I think was a training aberration, he has never been really pushed in the ring and I don't think we've seen the best of him yet. He has never been outboxed or physically bullied and doesn't know what it's like to lose. He has a proven chin, proven stamina and proven skills.
Undeniably the best welterweight in the world at the moment, I believe he has always been a middleweight starving down to welter. I wouldn't be surprised if he is heavier that GGG when the bell rings. He is more heavyset that Golovkin and (not that it matters) he is more muscle bound and looks like a boxer whereas GGG is gangly and - in today's terms - a small middleweight. People are also not mentioning that GGG is not a young man anymore.
Brooke will be the best opponent that Golovkin has ever fought, fighting at home and without much pressure on him to win.
I do think GGG should be the favourite, and I am a fan of the guy .... but it's possible that Brooke is being underestimated by everyone.
I think the key will be whether Brooke can keep Golovkin respectful of him. Kel will land on GGG, no question about it. If Golovkin finds he can walk through Brooke's offence then it's all over. Conversely, everyone thinks Brooke's only chance is to outbox Golovkin .... 350 amateur fights with great Khazak trainers (his style was that of a back foot counterpuncher at the time)world and Olympic medals etc ... I would love Brooke to really stun GGG and the fight to turn into a boxing match. Casual fans would moan, but I would love to see If GGG can also win with his skills.
Well, I sort of got bits right. GGG just swarmed Brook (note spelling;D) and walked through everything he threw. It's true that Kell tagged Golovkin a few times, but it was like blowing peas at a tank. I really rate Golovkins footwork, he just cut the ring right down and didn't give Brook any room to rest or breathe.
By the fourth, Brook was getting a real pasting. There was no point letting him take more punishment (those who say different shouldn't call themselves boxing fans. If you want to see someone get executed in the ring, it should cost more than £19.95)
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs. Kell Brook
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Jr could have the beating of Golovkin!
Jr is strong and has tons of stamina. Golovkin is patient and lets the opponent work then comes back. Id be very interested to see Eubank real off those big combinations and how Golovkin deals with it.
But Jr. Has no head movement. Or does that only matter for Brook?
Jr does move his head quite a lot actually. More so his upper body. Been a few times in his fights he lets the opponent fire off shots while he slips them all showing off.
Brook comes from the ingle gym and head movement or being elusive is one of the things their fighters are known for. I think whats happened with Brook is hes been able to boil down to welter and enjoys such a strength advantage that hes fallen in love with his strength. That doesnt translate when he fights at a more natural weight though and if he had used more of the ingles style maybe hed have heard the final bell.
Jr. Has no head movement whatsoever, certainly nowhere near as much as Brook. And as for this "upper body movement ", that's a different thing and it won't stop him getting KTFO. In his only "decent level" fight so far against Saunders, he lost the first 6 rounds because he had no answer to Saunders's movement and Saunders was hitting him fairly easily. In the next 6 rounds, he won about 4 of those, certainly no more out of desperation and Saunders's poor stamina.
Neither of those scenario will help him against GGG. He's too easy to hit and he doesn't hit hard enough to deter GGG from walking him down. The only thing that will keep Eubank in the fight for a bit longer is his seriously good conditioning, but getting hit harder than you've ever been hit before takes that out of you as well.
I would rather GGG tells Eubank to fuck off and fights Jacobs or Degale. Although I seriously doubt Degale gets in the ring with him.
Eubank can carry on fighting British level and maybe end up along with Saunders , conning the British public a bit more with a meaningless rematch.
Dint you talk some shit!
Saunders was not hitting him easily at all. Saunders barely did hit him. Saunders did very little in that fight especially the last half!
You think what you want, I know what I see and just like Fury v Wlad ill be right again;)
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The problem is that people are talking as if Brook was the obvious best welter. He was most likely the best but didn't clearly prove it. If Brook fought and beat 3 top 5 guys at welter, then I would be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. He beat Porter. That's all. That was his defining win.
And just going by the eye test, he isn't on the same level as GGG let alone he is jumping up two weight classes to fight him.
So true.
Not even the best at 147..
Floyd - retired?
Pac
Garcia
Bradley
Thurman, Khan, brook - same level
Porter
Broner
PS:- Errol Spence could completely upset the list above.!
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Jr could have the beating of Golovkin!
Jr is strong and has tons of stamina. Golovkin is patient and lets the opponent work then comes back. Id be very interested to see Eubank real off those big combinations and how Golovkin deals with it.
But Jr. Has no head movement. Or does that only matter for Brook?
Jr does move his head quite a lot actually. More so his upper body. Been a few times in his fights he lets the opponent fire off shots while he slips them all showing off.
Brook comes from the ingle gym and head movement or being elusive is one of the things their fighters are known for. I think whats happened with Brook is hes been able to boil down to welter and enjoys such a strength advantage that hes fallen in love with his strength. That doesnt translate when he fights at a more natural weight though and if he had used more of the ingles style maybe hed have heard the final bell.
Jr. Has no head movement whatsoever, certainly nowhere near as much as Brook. And as for this "upper body movement ", that's a different thing and it won't stop him getting KTFO. In his only "decent level" fight so far against Saunders, he lost the first 6 rounds because he had no answer to Saunders's movement and Saunders was hitting him fairly easily. In the next 6 rounds, he won about 4 of those, certainly no more out of desperation and Saunders's poor stamina.
Neither of those scenario will help him against GGG. He's too easy to hit and he doesn't hit hard enough to deter GGG from walking him down. The only thing that will keep Eubank in the fight for a bit longer is his seriously good conditioning, but getting hit harder than you've ever been hit before takes that out of you as well.
I would rather GGG tells Eubank to fuck off and fights Jacobs or Degale. Although I seriously doubt Degale gets in the ring with him.
Eubank can carry on fighting British level and maybe end up along with Saunders , conning the British public a bit more with a meaningless rematch.
Dint you talk some shit!
Saunders was not hitting him easily at all. Saunders barely did hit him. Saunders did very little in that fight especially the last half!
You think what you want, I know what I see and just like Fury v Wlad ill be right again;)
Ha! I see you're still dining off that one prediction!:rolleyes: Saunders clearly landed more than Eubank otherwise he wouldn't have beat him. ;D
Oh , wait a minute , cue the "well one judge never thought he won!" Boo hoo hoo! :D
Re: Gennady Golovkin vs. Kell Brook
GGG has the best head movement in boxing, he has just decided not to use it until he is in a big drama show.
