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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
You're not a Wlad fan, but you're defending him. And no "extreme polarity" here.
Just two sides to a good argument.
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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
You're not a Wlad fan, but you're defending him. And no "extreme polarity" here.
Just two sides to a good argument.
Except you only want to see one.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
You're not a Wlad fan, but you're defending him. And no "extreme polarity" here.
Just two sides to a good argument.
Fury avoided Price because he is a giant like him. So not so different to Wlad.
Fury never went all out to go toe to toe with China chinned Wlad despite assuring everyone he was a fighting man to the core. So just like Wlad.
You insisted the only reason Wlad got knockouts was the unwillingness of his opponents to engage. That makes no sense and Fury is hardly Mr excitement either.
We have watched Fury for years on small Hall terrestrial TV show cards fighting bigger bums than Wlad has been fed so most Brits know Fury as cautious as he can be, will at some point be sparked out.
That may be by Wlad in a rematch, a smaller fighter like Haye or a supposedly overhyped prospect like Anthony Joshua. Until then props to him but as ridiculous as it seems I don't think, unlike Ross, that Fury is the second coming of Ali.
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Originally Posted by GreenbeanzExcept you only want to see one.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
You're not a Wlad fan, but you're defending him. And no "extreme polarity" here.
Just two sides to a good argument.
Fury avoided Price because he is a giant like him. So not so different to Wlad.
I didn't know that.
Fury never went all out to go toe to toe with China chinned Wlad despite assuring everyone he was a fighting man to the core. So just like Wlad.
Admittedly, I would've liked to see more from Fury. But in a battle or contest of who does less..... Wlad was the clear and runaway winner. Why should Fury risk a Hail Mary shot, when he had Wlad thoroughly defeated and embarrassed?
You insisted the only reason Wlad got knockouts was the unwillingness of his opponents to engage. That makes no sense and Fury is hardly Mr excitement either.
Yes is does make sense. Did you watch the Wlad-Austin fight? Disgraceful. A giant of a man, and yet he went into the ring like a puppy who has just wet an expensive rug. All he needed was the "Please hit me" sign pasted to his chin to complete the picture.
We have watched Fury for years on small Hall terrestrial TV show cards fighting bigger bums than Wlad has been fed so most Brits know Fury as cautious as he can be, will at some point be sparked out.
Again you have one over me there.
That may be by Wlad in a rematch, a smaller fighter like Haye or a supposedly overhyped prospect like Anthony Joshua. Until then props to him but as ridiculous as it seems I don't think, unlike Ross, that Fury is the second coming of Ali.
See my comments above. There's several categories of us fans here. There's Ross.... pretty much in a category by himself (especially if he feels Fury is the second coming of Ali)..... there's Lyle, yourself, and a handful of others.... who still defend Wlad and his style of fighting...... and there's others of us in the middle somewhere. I haven't seen enough of Fury to make strong statements one way or another. I saw the Cunningham fight, and was surprised to see such a big man floored by a LHW. On the other hand, Fury did get up and knock Cunningham out afterward. For this fight, I wanted a knockout of Wlad and was disappointed Fury didn't go for it harder. But I understand that a big powerful guy like Wlad will take a free shot if he gets one, especially if his own chin is in no danger. So why throw away a perfectly good victory by making a stupid mistake.
Here's the fine line between us: I credit Wlad with his knockout victories because they have occurred. Can't deny history. But with my fine-toothed comb, I discredit them at the same time because Wlad NEVER TAKES RISKS going on the offensive, which every other HW fighter in history has done in their fights. Not only that. Wlad will use whatever means necessary, legal or otherwise, to keep his chin untouched. Very unforthcoming for a HW champ, IMO.
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Originally Posted by GreenbeanzExcept you only want to see one.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
You're not a Wlad fan, but you're defending him. And no "extreme polarity" here.
Just two sides to a good argument.
Fury avoided Price because he is a giant like him. So not so different to Wlad.
Fury never went all out to go toe to toe with China chinned Wlad despite assuring everyone he was a fighting man to the core. So just like Wlad.
You insisted the only reason Wlad got knockouts was the unwillingness of his opponents to engage. That makes no sense and Fury is hardly Mr excitement either.
We have watched Fury for years on small Hall terrestrial TV show cards fighting bigger bums than Wlad has been fed so most Brits know Fury as cautious as he can be, will at some point be sparked out.
That may be by Wlad in a rematch, a smaller fighter like Haye or a supposedly overhyped prospect like Anthony Joshua. Until then props to him but as ridiculous as it seems I don't think, unlike Ross, that Fury is the second coming of Ali.
Seems like a reasonable, rational, well thought out post to me......but what do I know
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Originally Posted by El KabongQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzExcept you only want to see one.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
You're not a Wlad fan, but you're defending him. And no "extreme polarity" here.
Just two sides to a good argument.
Fury avoided Price because he is a giant like him. So not so different to Wlad.
Fury never went all out to go toe to toe with China chinned Wlad despite assuring everyone he was a fighting man to the core. So just like Wlad.
You insisted the only reason Wlad got knockouts was the unwillingness of his opponents to engage. That makes no sense and Fury is hardly Mr excitement either.
We have watched Fury for years on small Hall terrestrial TV show cards fighting bigger bums than Wlad has been fed so most Brits know Fury as cautious as he can be, will at some point be sparked out.
That may be by Wlad in a rematch, a smaller fighter like Haye or a supposedly overhyped prospect like Anthony Joshua. Until then props to him but as ridiculous as it seems I don't think, unlike Ross, that Fury is the second coming of Ali.
Seems like a reasonable, rational, well thought out post to me......but what do I know
Quiet. It's a discussion between "non-fanboys".
Then you must apply the same to Fury. Who had to put the relatively tiny Cunningham in a headlock to knock him out. If you had read my pre-fight posts you would have seen me refer to Fury/Wlad as the Starsky and Hutch pilot "The Turkey and the Octopus". Wlad's performance against Povetkin was a disgrace as many of his fights have been. I have said so on many occasions.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzExcept you only want to see one.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
You're not a Wlad fan, but you're defending him. And no "extreme polarity" here.
Just two sides to a good argument.
Fury avoided Price because he is a giant like him. So not so different to Wlad.
I didn't know that.
Fury never went all out to go toe to toe with China chinned Wlad despite assuring everyone he was a fighting man to the core. So just like Wlad.
Admittedly, I would've liked to see more from Fury. But in a battle or contest of who does less..... Wlad was the clear and runaway winner. Why should Fury risk a Hail Mary shot, when he had Wlad thoroughly defeated and embarrassed?
You insisted the only reason Wlad got knockouts was the unwillingness of his opponents to engage. That makes no sense and Fury is hardly Mr excitement either.
Yes is does make sense. Did you watch the Wlad-Austin fight? Disgraceful. A giant of a man, and yet he went into the ring like a puppy who has just wet an expensive rug. All he needed was the "Please hit me" sign pasted to his chin to complete the picture.
We have watched Fury for years on small Hall terrestrial TV show cards fighting bigger bums than Wlad has been fed so most Brits know Fury as cautious as he can be, will at some point be sparked out.
Again you have one over me there.
That may be by Wlad in a rematch, a smaller fighter like Haye or a supposedly overhyped prospect like Anthony Joshua. Until then props to him but as ridiculous as it seems I don't think, unlike Ross, that Fury is the second coming of Ali.
See my comments above. There's several categories of us fans here. There's Ross.... pretty much in a category by himself (especially if he feels Fury is the second coming of Ali)..... there's Lyle, yourself, and a handful of others.... who still defend Wlad and his style of fighting...... and there's others of us in the middle somewhere. I haven't seen enough of Fury to make strong statements one way or another. I saw the Cunningham fight, and was surprised to see such a big man floored by a LHW. On the other hand, Fury did get up and knock Cunningham out afterward. For this fight, I wanted a knockout of Wlad and was disappointed Fury didn't go for it harder. But I understand that a big powerful guy like Wlad will take a free shot if he gets one, especially if his own chin is in no danger. So why throw away a perfectly good victory by making a stupid mistake.
Here's the fine line between us: I credit Wlad with his knockout victories because they have occurred. Can't deny history. But with my fine-toothed comb, I discredit them at the same time because Wlad NEVER TAKES RISKS going on the offensive, which every other HW fighter in history has done in their fights. Not only that. Wlad will use whatever means necessary, legal or otherwise, to keep his chin untouched. Very unforthcoming for a HW champ, IMO.
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Originally Posted by GreenbeanzThen you must apply the same to Fury. Who had to put the relatively tiny Cunningham in a headlock to knock him out. If you had read my pre-fight posts you would have seen me refer to Fury/Wlad as the Starsky and Hutch pilot "The Turkey and the Octopus". Wlad's performance against Povetkin was a disgrace as many of his fights have been. I have said so on many occasions.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzExcept you only want to see one.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
You're not a Wlad fan, but you're defending him. And no "extreme polarity" here.
Just two sides to a good argument.
Fury avoided Price because he is a giant like him. So not so different to Wlad.
I didn't know that.
Fury never went all out to go toe to toe with China chinned Wlad despite assuring everyone he was a fighting man to the core. So just like Wlad.
Admittedly, I would've liked to see more from Fury. But in a battle or contest of who does less..... Wlad was the clear and runaway winner. Why should Fury risk a Hail Mary shot, when he had Wlad thoroughly defeated and embarrassed?
You insisted the only reason Wlad got knockouts was the unwillingness of his opponents to engage. That makes no sense and Fury is hardly Mr excitement either.
Yes is does make sense. Did you watch the Wlad-Austin fight? Disgraceful. A giant of a man, and yet he went into the ring like a puppy who has just wet an expensive rug. All he needed was the "Please hit me" sign pasted to his chin to complete the picture.
We have watched Fury for years on small Hall terrestrial TV show cards fighting bigger bums than Wlad has been fed so most Brits know Fury as cautious as he can be, will at some point be sparked out.
Again you have one over me there.
That may be by Wlad in a rematch, a smaller fighter like Haye or a supposedly overhyped prospect like Anthony Joshua. Until then props to him but as ridiculous as it seems I don't think, unlike Ross, that Fury is the second coming of Ali.
See my comments above. There's several categories of us fans here. There's Ross.... pretty much in a category by himself (especially if he feels Fury is the second coming of Ali)..... there's Lyle, yourself, and a handful of others.... who still defend Wlad and his style of fighting...... and there's others of us in the middle somewhere. I haven't seen enough of Fury to make strong statements one way or another. I saw the Cunningham fight, and was surprised to see such a big man floored by a LHW. On the other hand, Fury did get up and knock Cunningham out afterward. For this fight, I wanted a knockout of Wlad and was disappointed Fury didn't go for it harder. But I understand that a big powerful guy like Wlad will take a free shot if he gets one, especially if his own chin is in no danger. So why throw away a perfectly good victory by making a stupid mistake.
Here's the fine line between us: I credit Wlad with his knockout victories because they have occurred. Can't deny history. But with my fine-toothed comb, I discredit them at the same time because Wlad NEVER TAKES RISKS going on the offensive, which every other HW fighter in history has done in their fights. Not only that. Wlad will use whatever means necessary, legal or otherwise, to keep his chin untouched. Very unforthcoming for a HW champ, IMO.
Ok, so we're not that far apart in this particular continuum.
Difference is you're apparently a lot more familiar with Fury than I am.
I'm still ecstatic Fury defeated and embarrassed Wlad, because IMO that reign had to end. People had turned away from the HW division in droves. Let me mention a good Klitschko fight for the ages, which all fans enjoyed...... Vitali vs. Lennox. Now THAT was a heavyweight fight. So you see.... I'm much more of a Wlad hater than a Fury fan. And I hate the "fighting" style, not the man. Need to make that clear.
..... and BTW I'm not just seeing one side of the argument. Just stating my case with conviction. ;)
OK, I'll just observe until Beanz makes you ragequitQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by El KabongOK, I'll just observe until Beanz makes you ragequitQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Hardly.
Even he knows Wlad is shit.
He just rates Fury just as low.
Yeah....but he sees your double standard and he's called you out on it...I mean I would have, but according to ross I know nothing of boxing and according to you I'm a biased fanboy....so I guess I don't get a say.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongOK, I'll just observe until Beanz makes you ragequitQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Hardly.
Even he knows Wlad is shit.
He just rates Fury just as low.
Continue on...you were talking to Beanz
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Originally Posted by El KabongYeah....but he sees your double standard and he's called you out on it...I mean I would have, but according to ross I know nothing of boxing and according to you I'm a biased fanboy....so I guess I don't get a say.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongOK, I'll just observe until Beanz makes you ragequitQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Hardly.
Even he knows Wlad is shit.
He just rates Fury just as low.
Continue on...you were talking to Beanz
Double standard? Has your brain entirely turned to mush?
I hate Wlad.... so now I have double standards?
That Thanksgiving turkey was a bit spiked..... no?
You hate Wladimir's style yes?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
But you big up Tyson Fury for beating Wladimir using a style that was......well I'll allow you to finish that....didn't have the KO at the end of it like most Wlad fights, but hey I guess that's how Fury differs
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Originally Posted by El KabongYou hate Wladimir's style yes?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
But you big up Tyson Fury for beating Wladimir using a style that was......well I'll allow you to finish that....didn't have the KO at the end of it like most Wlad fights, but hey I guess that's how Fury differs
Lyle, we don't need to argue about this. I wasn't thrilled about Fury's style myself. I would've preferred a devastating KO instead. But let's face it. Wlad IS big..... Wlad IS powerful. Fury had to be cautious and not hand over another victory to Wlad on a silver platter.
Now..... going forward.....
If Fury adopts the same style as Wlad for his HW title defenses........... I'll allow you to finish that one.
If you don't call him on it now, then I don't really care....that's the price of intellectual honestyQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongYou hate Wladimir's style yes?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
But you big up Tyson Fury for beating Wladimir using a style that was......well I'll allow you to finish that....didn't have the KO at the end of it like most Wlad fights, but hey I guess that's how Fury differs
Lyle, we don't need to argue about this. I wasn't thrilled about Fury's style myself. I would've preferred a devastating KO instead. But let's face it. Wlad IS big..... Wlad IS powerful. Fury had to be cautious and not hand over another victory to Wlad on a silver platter.
Now..... going forward.....
If Fury adopts the same style as Wlad for his HW title defenses........... I'll allow you to finish that one.