Bradley vs Campbell

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Originally Posted by RozzySean

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

the old dummy nate came out last night. Nate wanted out of that fight and intentionally tried to get a no contest decision. .

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Bradley Butted him, the Ref called it that was stuttering and stammering and looked like a deer in the headlights after the fight... The Butt caused the cut, ringside Doc saw blood behind nates eye and nate couldnt see.. Regardless of how the fight would have panned out, the fact remains the ref blew it and it was a bad call

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Nobody on this board disagrees that it was a bad call. Maybe you think Bradley was butting intentional. I don't see it that way. I think the butt was unintentional. Yes, it should have been an NC. This is not the first or last time ref got it wrong, but Nate was clearly looking to have the fight stopped. If Nate had felt that he was going to win the fight, he would have soldiered on I promise you- like Cotto and many others have done.

I feel for Nate getting a bad call. The same thing happened to Ward against Phillips and it sucked when that happened, and it sucked again for Ward in the Leija fight when a cut caused by a punch got called a butt and Leija got the win from hometown judges. Nobody like to see the wrong call, but you are acting like Tim Bradley and the ref rain a train on your mom or your sister. I would have loved to see Nate pull it off last night, but it wasn't his night. I know, he knew it, most people watching knew it, and if you get over yourself and rewatch the fight objectively, you will know it, too.

If Nate wasn't fighting a dirty fight himself, perhaps people would have more simpathy for him. But Nate was butting, holding, hitting low, and generally trying to play head games with Bradley. That was pretty obvious.

You make a bad analogy to the JMM/Diaz fight. Don't even try to make like Nate would have been able to pull a JMM against Bradley. Even old, Marquez was clearly faster than Diaz (never known for his handspeed anyway). It looked like Diaz might be able to dictate the fight based on strenght and aggression, but he wasn't making Marquez look old. He was making him look small.

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I didnt think it was intentional at all, I was pissed because the ref was a moron and his explanation was shit... On the replay he said he saw the butt and ruled it accidental, then he advocates in that 8th of a second after the butt that a punch campbell blocked opened up the cut :vd:

Really because that happens :rolleyes: The only time to me Bradley looked something is when he was landing Calzaghe Combos against Manfredo after the cut that was FACTUALLY bleeding behind Nates eye...

So none of us know what the outcome of a fight that was 25% in progress but the rules are the rules and it was an amateurish and bush league error by a moronic ref that looked more confused than anyone

Here's an interview with Campbell regarding the fight.

BOXINGTALK

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Originally Posted by Diane

Here's an interview with Campbell regarding the fight.

BOXINGTALK

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"Do you feel that based on the way the first three rounds went down, that since Timothy Bradley was in his hometown, that it's concievable to say that the first three rounds went to him?"

"No. From where I was sitting he wasn't ahead in the fight."

:rolleyes:

Greg Leon is a douche btw.

Boxing is rough business. And has fans with the shortest memories of any other sport I can think of. Rarely with you see an athlete go from a hero to a bum in a day. But yet, it happens alllll the time in boxing.

Nate made a calculated move based on the rules of the sport. He was cut due to a headbutt. It would as they often do, prove to be an edge for his opponent in the long haul. Before 4 rounds, it is a ND. Simple as. And frankly, whether he was behind or ahead shouldn't matter. It's irrelevant. Sure the flow maybe helped the decision, but again, irrelevant. Ref. goofed it and that is all, imo.

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

Boxing is rough business. And has fans with the shortest memories of any other sport I can think of. Rarely with you see an athlete go from a hero to a bum in a day. But yet, it happens alllll the time in boxing.

Nate made a calculated move based on the rules of the sport. He was cut due to a headbutt. It would as they often do, prove to be an edge for his opponent in the long haul. Before 4 rounds, it is a ND. Simple as. And frankly, whether he was behind or ahead shouldn't matter. It's irrelevant. Sure the flow maybe helped the decision, but again, irrelevant. Ref. goofed it and that is all, imo.

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I don't think Campbell is bum at all; I'm still a big fan of his.

While I think the fight should have been a N/C, it appeared to me (and many others) that Campbell had no answers from Bradley and was looking for a way out. He should know boxing well enough that to quit without hearing a ruling on the butt was a recipe for disaster.

Furthermore, they way he has acted since the moment the fight ended has been somewhat classless and he deserves to take his lumps for it. This all reminds me of a more extreme version of the aftermath of the the Winky - Taylor fight in regards to the actions of the fighters.

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Originally Posted by CFH

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Originally Posted by Diane

Here's an interview with Campbell regarding the fight.

BOXINGTALK

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"Do you feel that based on the way the first three rounds went down, that since Timothy Bradley was in his hometown, that it's concievable to say that the first three rounds went to him?"

"No. From where I was sitting he wasn't ahead in the fight."

:rolleyes:

Greg Leon is a douche btw.

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You missed out the next sentence "If somebody thinks he was, that's their opinion". I personally didn't think that Bradley did enough in the 2nd round, although I did think it looked like he would take the fight. He's been no more classless than Bradley. He says Bradley doesn't hit hard, well all of Bradley's opponents have said that. It's no worse than Bradley saying he's a slow, weak old man.

I'm sure this will be changed to a NC based on the Rahman-Toney precedent. The fact is anyone who gets in a ring knows the ref screwed that up badly, just as in the Khan-Barrera fight. A fighter who can't see should NOT fight, end of. Also I would like to point out again, that when asked if he wanted to keep fighting Campbell said yes. His actions might have said something else, but hell I thought Gatti looked like he wanted out of the fight against Mayweather, but on that occasion we focused on his words, him saying he wanted to continue. On a rematch though, as much as I think there should be one, if Bradley has better options, then he should take them. Like he said, he did his job, the ref didn't do his.

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Originally Posted by CFH

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

Boxing is rough business. And has fans with the shortest memories of any other sport I can think of. Rarely with you see an athlete go from a hero to a bum in a day. But yet, it happens alllll the time in boxing.

Nate made a calculated move based on the rules of the sport. He was cut due to a headbutt. It would as they often do, prove to be an edge for his opponent in the long haul. Before 4 rounds, it is a ND. Simple as. And frankly, whether he was behind or ahead shouldn't matter. It's irrelevant. Sure the flow maybe helped the decision, but again, irrelevant. Ref. goofed it and that is all, imo.

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I don't think Campbell is bum at all; I'm still a big fan of his.

While I think the fight should have been a N/C, it appeared to me (and many others) that Campbell had no answers from Bradley and was looking for a way out. He should know boxing well enough that to quit without hearing a ruling on the butt was a recipe for disaster.

Furthermore, they way he has acted since the moment the fight ended has been somewhat classless and he deserves to take his lumps for it. This all reminds me of a more extreme version of the aftermath of the the Winky - Taylor fight in regards to the actions of the fighters.

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This wasn't directed at you, or I would have quoted you. But you, and many others were on him for this, long before any interview ever came out. And have since used those interviews to further solidify the premise.

And while you say it was a recipe for disaster to quit without an official ruling, I suggest to continue was as well a recipe for disaster. A person has but seconds to decide when in there. When you have a severe cut that can only be exploited, and possibly limited vision, things aren't likely to improve. You've just been dealt a big disadvantage. Any fighter is going to go right after that cut from there on in. Take advantage of limited vision. He knows this. his corner knows this. Anyone who has ever stepped in a ring knows this...you see a weakness, you exploit it. The rules are there for a reason. Cut due to headbutt before the 4th, is a ND. As I stated, did flow of the fight factor in? Likely. But again, it is irrelevant. I don't blame him for the call, I think it was the correct call. And the ref. blew it.

If Nate was to win this fight, I expected it down the stretch. That possibility got severely hampered for him by the cut. I don't know or even think he processed all of that before deciding, but it did factor in. Once you go beyond the 4th, you've removed ALL possibility of a ND due to cut. And are fighting at a exploitable disadvantage...

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

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Originally Posted by CFH

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

Boxing is rough business. And has fans with the shortest memories of any other sport I can think of. Rarely with you see an athlete go from a hero to a bum in a day. But yet, it happens alllll the time in boxing.

Nate made a calculated move based on the rules of the sport. He was cut due to a headbutt. It would as they often do, prove to be an edge for his opponent in the long haul. Before 4 rounds, it is a ND. Simple as. And frankly, whether he was behind or ahead shouldn't matter. It's irrelevant. Sure the flow maybe helped the decision, but again, irrelevant. Ref. goofed it and that is all, imo.

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I don't think Campbell is bum at all; I'm still a big fan of his.

While I think the fight should have been a N/C, it appeared to me (and many others) that Campbell had no answers from Bradley and was looking for a way out. He should know boxing well enough that to quit without hearing a ruling on the butt was a recipe for disaster.

Furthermore, they way he has acted since the moment the fight ended has been somewhat classless and he deserves to take his lumps for it. This all reminds me of a more extreme version of the aftermath of the the Winky - Taylor fight in regards to the actions of the fighters.

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This wasn't directed at you, or I would have quoted you. But you, and many others were on him for this, long before any interview ever came out. And have since used those interviews to further solidify the premise.

And while you say it was a recipe for disaster to quit without an official ruling, I suggest to continue was as well a recipe for disaster. A person has but seconds to decide when in there. When you have a severe cut that can only be exploited, and possibly limited vision, things aren't likely to improve. You've just been dealt a big disadvantage. Any fighter is going to go right after that cut from there on in. Take advantage of limited vision. He knows this. his corner knows this. Anyone who has ever stepped in a ring knows this...you see a weakness, you exploit it. The rules are there for a reason. Cut due to headbutt before the 4th, is a ND. As I stated, did flow of the fight factor in? Likely. But again, it is irrelevant. I don't blame him for the call, I think it was the correct call. And the ref. blew it.

If Nate was to win this fight, I expected it down the stretch. That possibility got severely hampered for him by the cut. I don't know or even think he processed all of that before deciding, but it did factor in. Once you go beyond the 4th, you've removed ALL possibility of a ND due to cut. And are fighting at a exploitable disadvantage...

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Perfectly stated

Bradley is nothing, im ready for a decent fighter to bring him down to earth! His accuracy is really bad and he's way to wild with punches. He'll get knocked out soon, no doubt about it. I agree, the ref was a freakin idiot, he looked totally out of his element!

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

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Originally Posted by CFH

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

Boxing is rough business. And has fans with the shortest memories of any other sport I can think of. Rarely with you see an athlete go from a hero to a bum in a day. But yet, it happens alllll the time in boxing.

Nate made a calculated move based on the rules of the sport. He was cut due to a headbutt. It would as they often do, prove to be an edge for his opponent in the long haul. Before 4 rounds, it is a ND. Simple as. And frankly, whether he was behind or ahead shouldn't matter. It's irrelevant. Sure the flow maybe helped the decision, but again, irrelevant. Ref. goofed it and that is all, imo.

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I don't think Campbell is bum at all; I'm still a big fan of his.

While I think the fight should have been a N/C, it appeared to me (and many others) that Campbell had no answers from Bradley and was looking for a way out. He should know boxing well enough that to quit without hearing a ruling on the butt was a recipe for disaster.

Furthermore, they way he has acted since the moment the fight ended has been somewhat classless and he deserves to take his lumps for it. This all reminds me of a more extreme version of the aftermath of the the Winky - Taylor fight in regards to the actions of the fighters.

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This wasn't directed at you, or I would have quoted you. But you, and many others were on him for this, long before any interview ever came out. And have since used those interviews to further solidify the premise.

And while you say it was a recipe for disaster to quit without an official ruling, I suggest to continue was as well a recipe for disaster. A person has but seconds to decide when in there. When you have a severe cut that can only be exploited, and possibly limited vision, things aren't likely to improve. You've just been dealt a big disadvantage. Any fighter is going to go right after that cut from there on in. Take advantage of limited vision. He knows this. his corner knows this. Anyone who has ever stepped in a ring knows this...you see a weakness, you exploit it. The rules are there for a reason. Cut due to headbutt before the 4th, is a ND. As I stated, did flow of the fight factor in? Likely. But again, it is irrelevant. I don't blame him for the call, I think it was the correct call. And the ref. blew it.

If Nate was to win this fight, I expected it down the stretch. That possibility got severely hampered for him by the cut. I don't know or even think he processed all of that before deciding, but it did factor in. Once you go beyond the 4th, you've removed ALL possibility of a ND due to cut. And are fighting at a exploitable disadvantage...

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well said

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Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan

Bradley is nothing, im ready for a decent fighter to bring him down to earth! His accuracy is really bad and he's way to wild with punches. He'll get knocked out soon, no doubt about it. I agree, the ref was a freakin idiot, he looked totally out of his element!

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you can't be nothing and have back to back wins against Witter, Cherry, Holt, and it's no question that he would have beaten Campbell, not too shabby when you only have 25 pro fights

It was so early in the fight we don't know what the outcome would have been but I* will say this...

Nate got the shaft...that was a butt the ref dropped the ball...

I am disapointed in Bradley in his reaction after the fight....he knew what happened why not just own up and say...

I think it was from the butt but I don't make the call the ref does I am just going with their decision..

Instead of his tool response of "I don't know whats going on I did my job"

Are you stupid Tim? Gotta love what an ass Shaw was too

Nate should and could have carried on. Cotto fought with a worse injury and never quit. Nate should have carried on.

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan

Bradley is nothing, im ready for a decent fighter to bring him down to earth! His accuracy is really bad and he's way to wild with punches. He'll get knocked out soon, no doubt about it. I agree, the ref was a freakin idiot, he looked totally out of his element!

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you can't be nothing and have back to back wins against Witter, Cherry, Holt, and it's no question that he would have beaten Campbell, not too shabby when you only have 25 pro fights

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Back to back wins against who, who, and who?:-\

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Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan

Bradley is nothing, im ready for a decent fighter to bring him down to earth! His accuracy is really bad and he's way to wild with punches. He'll get knocked out soon, no doubt about it. I agree, the ref was a freakin idiot, he looked totally out of his element!

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you can't be nothing and have back to back wins against Witter, Cherry, Holt, and it's no question that he would have beaten Campbell, not too shabby when you only have 25 pro fights

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Back to back wins against who, who, and who?:-\

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Again you prove why you literally have the worst reputation on this entire site. That is impressive opposition for a fighter with as few fights as Bradley.