Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds...Hatton vs Collazo

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by Saddo

so are you back now ?

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You damn skrate I am!!! You want a piece o' me?!?!?

Piece of you...I want the whole thing!

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I backed up tape & watched the last two or three rounds.

I don't know...I just can't see it as a win...a draw...but that kid was damned effective & not just in the last rounds...& yes I did watch the entire fight...as clydey was eager to point out...you shouldn't focus on the last 2-3 rounds...Collazo won more than the last round or two.

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i actually thought collazzo won rounds 2-4 and 5, along with a few later rounds, but i cant argue with a W for hatton, just the one judge who had it a 5 point win

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by Clydey_2_Times

Watch it while sober then, would be my advice. Every single one of you are focusing too much on the last round because Hatton got hurt. Are you forgetting the other 11 rounds? A 2 point round for Hatton in the first.

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Ummmmmm...said I would. I'm not focusing on anyting other than the fact that I think that Hatton looked bad against someone that I have never seen as a fighter before & I expected more from Hatton.

I also said that the knockdown would mean something.

Also...I think the other guy won the fight...& not because his name wasn't Hatton.

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Originally Posted by Clydey_2_Times

How did Harold Lederman have it scored? 114-113 to Hatton, I believe. How did Sky have it? Both commentators for Hatton. All 3 judges for Hatton. Collazo is a Don King fighter. You really think they screwed a Don King fighter?

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If you always go by Lederman...then you need to rethink things Clydey.

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Originally Posted by Clydey_2_Times

You guys expected too much and Hatton didn't deliver. That does not mean he didn't win though. What about when Floyd lost to Castillo, which he did? Should he have moved back down a weight? Fighters aren't entitled to bad nights?

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Hatton didn't seem to have the snap on his punches that he usually had...& I also said that Floyd doesn't seem to effective at 147 either...now didn't I?

Sure I expected a lot of him...I mean he has been calling out all the big names & Floyd being one...sure I'm gonna expect alot...also I expect alot when he promises a lot...Just like I did from Floyd.

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Originally Posted by Clydey_2_Times

Honest to God, I have never met a more fickle bunch of people in my life, utterly incapable of stepping back and taking a measured look at the fight.

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Then you haven't met enough people.

I was takin a measured look at the fight...& from the looks of it...he was losing that fight...Collazo landed a lot more on Hatton than I would have thought him capable of...especially with the people that he has fought.

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Originally Posted by Clydey_2_Times

Rather than considering that Hatton simply had a bad night against a very good southpaw on his first fight at welterweight, he's overrated, should move down a weight and should be out of the P4P list. Nice one, guys.

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Also...I think that he should stay on the P4P list...I just don't think that he won the fight.

Yes we are a fickle bunch...that I might add...you are & have been a fickle part of yourself.

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Ok, first of all, that's far too big a post for me to chop and reply to individually. Secondly, it wasn't all directed at you, since you didn't suggest Hatton be removed from the P4P list. I just saw a few people shouting robbery, you being one of them, and I responded.

And if you can show me an example of me being fickle, I'll happily concede my flagrant hypocricy. The thing is I've made a conscious effort to avoid knee jerk reactions and I don't think I've ever written a fighter off after one poor display.

k, night all...its 5:30 and im going to sleep

I'm English and have been a fight fan for a while as you can tell if you google my screenname. I'm enjoying this new internet thingy, steaming drunk on Duvel beer and eating BBQ chicken and hot hot hot peppers. Hatton lost tonight. If he'd been facing Judah, he wouldn't have lasted six rounds. He needs to go back to 140 and fight the Castillos and Corrales of this world.

He'd be a bad joke against Floyd. He was acting in the ring after the last bell went. He knows in his heart he lost, and his dreams of PFP greatness are over. Never mind. We still have Amir Khan to watch, who looks to be Ray Robinson incarnate ( although half a dozen prospects over the past 20 years have looked equally as good at the four and six round level, let's see his heart/chin/stamina etc first . :) ) and Calzaghe for a couple of more fights. Hatton too for a couple, but his bubble was burst tonight and he knows it.

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Originally Posted by The_One77

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Originally Posted by Starr

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Originally Posted by Entragian

He fought Collazo and got tenderized and nearly put through the grinder in the 12th :)

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how could you smile and write that at the same time......your'e really evil ;D

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I'm as evil as they come :lickish: but I can be sweet too... like a female mantis before chopping off the head of her mate :)

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Originally Posted by Clydey_2_Times

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Originally Posted by Starr

Any fighter can win and be shown in the same fight.

What bothers me most is that these flaws I saw in the Magee fight are still there in the Collazo fight which isn't a good sign. I think it's too hard for him to change

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One thing being overlooked is how good Collazo is. He is a classy, accurate, awkward southpaw. That combined with Hatton's quite blatant stamina problem from the move up was a major headache for him.

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Hattons stamina faultered because Collazo made him miss and Hatton rarely misses because his opponents are in front of him. Anyone can go 100 rounds on a punching bag what happens when the bag moves and you expend energy missing.

Turns out the fight was BOTH Trinidad Joppy and Pacquiao Marquez. Trinidad Joppy for the early round knockdown, Pacquiao Marquez for the rest of it

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Originally Posted by Oggie

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Originally Posted by Starr

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Originally Posted by miles

its only 1 fight and fighters do have off nights, but hatton does need to go back to the drawing board...

that did not go according to the script...not by a long way...

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Hatton didn't have an off night. Collazo had an on night and exposed Hattons flaws I been telling ya'll Hatton fans about for years ::**

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Originally Posted by Oggie

Judah probably would have knocked Hatton out tonight. The southpaw style combined with the speed, power and reflexes would have given Hatton fits. Seriously, he needs to get back down to 140 right now and hope Mayweather stays where he is.
Collazo vs. Margarito anyone?

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That 12th round should tell you enough about what Judah would have done to Hatton.

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Aggression means nothing if you don't throw and land.

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Thats what I've been telling these Hatton fans who think he'd beat Floyd and the Margarito fans that think he'll beat Floyd. But they seem to think they can throw nonstop even when not landing and getting hit with no effect ::**

hehe ;D

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by Saddo

ok think i'll let the guests back in.... good stuff wacko hatton fucks mayweather up8)

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Time to start polishing up on your deep vocals bwoss...I wanna see how well you sing Blue Moon on the depressed note.

Mayweather...I won't even pick rounds...but Mayweather by UD.

Hey if Ricky can pull out a UD like that...I know that my bwoy Floyd sure as shat can. ;) :lickish:

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watch it again mate it was closer than you think ;)

i always said this would't be an easy fight and i was bang on... some people were prediction an easy win like in the 6th ko round ;D

but hey what can you do ;D

bring on mayweather thats all i can say.... this was a perfect fight to prepare for him 8)

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Originally Posted by Clydey_2_Times

Ok, first of all, that's far too big a post for me to chop and reply to individually. Secondly, it wasn't all directed at you, since you didn't suggest Hatton be removed from the P4P list. I just saw a few people shouting robbery, you being one of them, and I responded.

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Now I know that it wasn't directed at me...I'm just talking to you.

I do believe that the other guy won the fight or it should have been a draw.

That fight was way to close to just hand it over to Hatton...but money is money & we get this every day. I just don't get that far up in the air over it as you did.

Ofcourse...Hatton aint one of my favs either...

Seriously...I was just talking with ya...nothing personal.

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Originally Posted by Clydey_2_Times

And if you can show me an example of me being fickle, I'll happily concede my flagrant hypocricy. The thing is I've made a conscious effort to avoid knee jerk reactions and I don't think I've ever written a fighter off after one poor display.

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I didn't write Hatton off...I never wrote him on...I just said that I expected him to win...& he didn't.

Also...I aint going all the way back through our history of discussions to hunt down some piece of info where you say one thing one day & roll it back the next...we all do that...you have done it...I have done it...we were both in a discussion waaaaaaaaay back when over some fight...I don't even recall it at the time...but everyone is fickle clydey...say your'e not if you want...but you know that we as humans are.

Again...none of that was directed at you...but you did quote me...I quoted you back...just thought that it was a discussion.

Oh well.

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Originally Posted by Starr

I'm as evil as they come :lickish: but I can be sweet too... like a female mantis before chopping off the head of her mate :)

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Don't those female mantis's have mangina's also?

Heh heh heh. :lickish:

The first round 8/10 swung it for hatton.
way more lateral movement needed if he's gonna remotely challenge pbf
hard learning curve that Ricky must learn from
Back and forth like hes on a f*cking skateboard and must learn to change styles off the cuff.
Wicked fight and the yanks must surely love this kinda style.
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Big up Collazo too
Tough cookie ;)

Those female mantis' can also kick your keester at pacman :lickish: oh yes I went there.

And before you say "No she didn't!!!"

I did ;D

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Originally Posted by Saddo

i always said this would't be an easy fight and i was bang on... some people were prediction an easy win like in the 6th ko round ;D

but hey what can you do ;D

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ALright that's it...fisticuffs (not to be confused with finger cuffs) put 'em up!!! YOu & me!!! ;D

I am now going to bed! For real this time...in just a few more minutes...remember batches...


SUNDAY IS MOTHER'S DAY...LOVE YOUR MOTHERS...BUT NOT...TOO MUCH LOVE... :-X

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Originally Posted by Starr

Those female mantis' can also kick your keester at pacman :lickish: oh yes I went there.

And before you say "No she didn't!!!"

I did ;D

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There you go again...pulling out the ole' willie on poor wacko...heh heh heh.

And before you say "No wacko didn't!!!" You gotdam right that he did. :bananasex:

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by Saddo

i always said this would't be an easy fight and i was bang on... some people were prediction an easy win like in the 6th ko round ;D

but hey what can you do ;D

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ALright that's it...fisticuffs (not to be confused with finger cuffs) put 'em up!!! YOu & me!!! ;D

I am now going to bed! For real this time...in just a few more minutes...remember batches...


SUNDAY IS MOTHER'S DAY...LOVE YOUR MOTHERS...BUT NOT...TOO MUCH LOVE... :-X

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while your asleep just dream about how i was SPOT ON ;D

night mate ;)

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by Clydey_2_Times

Ok, first of all, that's far too big a post for me to chop and reply to individually. Secondly, it wasn't all directed at you, since you didn't suggest Hatton be removed from the P4P list. I just saw a few people shouting robbery, you being one of them, and I responded.

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Now I know that it wasn't directed at me...I'm just talking to you.

I do believe that the other guy won the fight or it should have been a draw.

That fight was way to close to just hand it over to Hatton...but money is money & we get this every day. I just don't get that far up in the air over it as you did.

Ofcourse...Hatton aint one of my favs either...

Seriously...I was just talking with ya...nothing personal.

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Originally Posted by Clydey_2_Times

And if you can show me an example of me being fickle, I'll happily concede my flagrant hypocricy. The thing is I've made a conscious effort to avoid knee jerk reactions and I don't think I've ever written a fighter off after one poor display.

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I didn't write Hatton off...I never wrote him on...I just said that I expected him to win...& he didn't.

Also...I aint going all the way back through our history of discussions to hunt down some piece of info where you say one thing one day & roll it back the next...we all do that...you have done it...I have done it...we were both in a discussion waaaaaaaaay back when over some fight...I don't even recall it at the time...but everyone is fickle clydey...say your'e not if you want...but you know that we as humans are.

Again...none of that was directed at you...but you did quote me...I quoted you back...just thought that it was a discussion.

Oh well.

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Fickleness is not human nature. You're either fickle or you make a conscious effort to consider circumstances before drawing conclusions. I do not blindly call a fighter washed up once a 30+ year old fighter loses, nor do I question the quality of a fighter who struggles against a southpaw in an entirely new weight class.

I'm not perfect, but I know what I do and don't do. I'd say the same thing even if I wasn't a Hatton fan, maybe not quite so passionately, mind you.

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Originally Posted by Clydey_2_Times

Fickleness is not human nature. You're either fickle or you make a conscious effort to consider circumstances before drawing conclusions. I do not blindly call a fighter washed up once a 30+ year old fighter loses, nor do I question the quality of a fighter who struggles against a southpaw in an entirely new weight class.

I'm not perfect, but I know what I do and don't do. I'd say the same thing even if I wasn't a Hatton fan, maybe not quite so passionately, mind you.

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Okay Clydey...okay.

Night.