Just another Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds: Taylor Spinks/Miranda Pavlik

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Originally Posted by Rudy Zarzoff

Please fight Mundine now Jermaine! Australia needs a new World Champion. Even if it is Mundine! ;D

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Doubt it will happen Kessler will batter Mundine into retirement ;)

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

EXCELLENT POINT Sal,didn't Floyd box like this v Oscar and was getting adored for it,now it's shocking etc for Spinks to do it? I respected JT alot for fighting 2 HOF but his last 2 performances have been dire. It's not just Manny,you can't just blame the trainer. Manny is not telling him not fight,it's JT too. JT is showing a lack of desire. I've seen him state numerous times that he doesnt want to be in boxing long and wants to make as much $$$ as possible. Are we seeing a lack of desire from that? Also,this reflects badly on B Hop the second time and Winky. Spinks did as well as both of them agains a very limited fighter imo. JT v Calazghe needs to happen,JC would beat the living S*** out of this kid,show Winky and B Hop how it is done.

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Here's the thing about Taylor that I've seen over all the years of following him...he buckles like a belt when he get the wrinkles out of the pants that he's trying to stretch out...so to speak.

All that shit he said in the presser...about being having "dat dawg in me"...it was just that...shit. I was impressed...I felt that he had finally found what he lost back in 2005 when he fought Hopkins.

I will have to half way agree with Starr that Hopkins put a hurtin on Taylor. He took Taylor deep & he broke him down...Taylor just couldn't take it. Watch the fight again...it was a beatdown & Taylor took it to heart.

When you look at Taylor’s career…he was beautiful against all the men on the move up & the previously pressed & worn out and seasoned veterans.

After losing Burns I think that it might have ruined him. Burns was his strong hold. He was the glue that kept him together.

Amat & I were discussing the fact that leaving Steward would ruin him...I think that leaving Burns already did.

Taylor has NO killer instinct when pitted against someone that doesn't fear him or learn fear through a few rounds in the ring. Watch Taylor close & you may or may not understand what I mean. Anywho, he has no drive when it comes to taking a man into deep waters and if his opponent stands up to him...IWO...the dawg becomes Stuttering Stanley once again.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Kidos to Pavlik too. I like Miranda and predicted him to win but I also stated that it was not as easy as most claimed and i stated that Kelly had the tools to beat Miranda. I just didn't think he would be able to do it in such a manner. He's to high risk,low reward for JT,may be he should go after Abraham?

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:coolclick: I feel ya there babe...but the Miranda loss was a bittersweet victory for Wacko. Hard to explain...but I didn't like Miranda's mouth or attitude...but...I knew or hoped someone would adjust it for him...really wanted it to be Abraham...because no matter what Miranda said...Abraham beat him.

Anywho, water under the bridge...what Pavlik did was amazing. Yes he to high risk for Taylor...but not sure about being low reward.

A firefight against Pavlik that ended with Taylor TKOing him would rejuvinate his career & all that he would have to say was that "You see Larry...I just...I just couldn't get up against them smaller guys...but I respect Pavlik for fighting me. He uh strong man, Larry."

And our New Middleweight Champ would finally have reared his head.

Then again Pavlik could crack his ass the fwock out & then we'd really have OUR Middleweight Champoin.

Props to Miranda and Pavlik for a great battle and even more props to Pavlik for the upset he has done well wish him the best as for Spinks vs Taylor well Taylor didn't impress at all i mean how many close decisions is this guy going to get his luck will run out soon enough i gave him break vs Hopkins and Winky because there p4p greats but i won't give him a break vs Spinks alot of people had this is as an easy fight and yet again in true Taylor fashion he is in a dull fight and very close controversial fight he maybe nice guy outside ring but im sick of these close controversial decisions i mean really and truthfully if there would of been different judges or in a different place Taylor could very well be 0-4 i like Taylor as person but as boxer he just doesn't cut it and that undefeated record will soon go.

Oh yea almost forgot :coolclick: for rbr Wack.

Last night was all about Miranda v Pavlik for my money, as that was a superb blood n guts fight, where each fighter gave their all and neither one was going to take a backward step. As Pavlik took more and more control of the fight, a little voice in my head was telling me that Miranda was letting him tire himself out, but Pavlik has proved that he can back up the hype, and as I previously mentioned....I had to chop up my Minesota Vikings hat and mix it in with my sultana bran for breakfast this morning, as I thought Pavlik would have more trouble with a higher class of opponent.

As for Taylor v Spinks, what a snoozer. Especially as it was nearing 5am and it was all getting light outside, I can't remember any great excitement, but Taylor getting a lucky SD might set him up for a superfight with a top british fighter, just like Castillo against Ngoudjo. Hopefully though, I think that the styles of Castillo and Hatton gel well, and that the style of Calzaghe coming forward would be much better for Taylor, and might force him to up his game, or quit. Either way, get it done.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Props to Miranda and Pavlik for a great battle and even more props to Pavlik for the upset he has done well wish him the best as for Spinks vs Taylor well Taylor didn't impress at all i mean how many close decisions is this guy going to get his luck will run out soon enough i gave him break vs Hopkins and Winky because there p4p greats but i won't give him a break vs Spinks alot of people had this is as an easy fight and yet again in true Taylor fashion he is in a dull fight and very close controversial fight he maybe nice guy outside ring but im sick of these close controversial decisions i mean really and truthfully if there would of been different judges or in a different place Taylor could very well be 0-4 i like Taylor as person but as boxer he just doesn't cut it and that undefeated record will soon go.

Oh yea almost forgot :coolclick: for rbr Wack.

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:coolclick: right back.

Wow, what a fight! You had a sense coming in that it was going to be this way. Neither Miranda nor Pavlik have ever given the impression that they're anything but straight-ahead, hard-punching, never-say-die fighters. I'd watch ANY fight either of these two would have. My total respect to both of these fighters, who more than earned their money, and a fight that more than lived up to expectations. May we have many more "Miranda-Pavlik"s down the road.

Anyone notice the total lack of power in some of Pantera's punches? Was that to do with the weight,as he had to weigh in like 2 or 3 times and that he couldnt get power into them going backwards? They are also long,looping,I don't think he knew how to shorten them!

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

EXCELLENT POINT Sal,didn't Floyd box like this v Oscar and was getting adored for it,now it's shocking etc for Spinks to do it? I respected JT alot for fighting 2 HOF but his last 2 performances have been dire. It's not just Manny,you can't just blame the trainer. Manny is not telling him not fight,it's JT too. JT is showing a lack of desire. I've seen him state numerous times that he doesnt want to be in boxing long and wants to make as much $$$ as possible. Are we seeing a lack of desire from that? Also,this reflects badly on B Hop the second time and Winky. Spinks did as well as both of them agains a very limited fighter imo. JT v Calazghe needs to happen,JC would beat the living S*** out of this kid,show Winky and B Hop how it is done.

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Here's the thing about Taylor that I've seen over all the years of following him...he buckles like a belt when he get the wrinkles out of the pants that he's trying to stretch out...so to speak.

All that shit he said in the presser...about being having "dat dawg in me"...it was just that...shit. I was impressed...I felt that he had finally found what he lost back in 2005 when he fought Hopkins.

I will have to half way agree with Starr that Hopkins put a hurtin on Taylor. He took Taylor deep & he broke him down...Taylor just couldn't take it. Watch the fight again...it was a beatdown & Taylor took it to heart.

When you look at Taylor’s career…he was beautiful against all the men on the move up & the previously pressed & worn out and seasoned veterans.

After losing Burns I think that it might have ruined him. Burns was his strong hold. He was the glue that kept him together.

Amat & I were discussing the fact that leaving Steward would ruin him...I think that leaving Burns already did.

Taylor has NO killer instinct when pitted against someone that doesn't fear him or learn fear through a few rounds in the ring. Watch Taylor close & you may or may not understand what I mean. Anywho, he has no drive when it comes to taking a man into deep waters and if his opponent stands up to him...IWO...the dawg becomes Stuttering Stanley once again.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Kidos to Pavlik too. I like Miranda and predicted him to win but I also stated that it was not as easy as most claimed and i stated that Kelly had the tools to beat Miranda. I just didn't think he would be able to do it in such a manner. He's to high risk,low reward for JT,may be he should go after Abraham?

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:coolclick: I feel ya there babe...but the Miranda loss was a bittersweet victory for Wacko. Hard to explain...but I didn't like Miranda's mouth or attitude...but...I knew or hoped someone would adjust it for him...really wanted it to be Abraham...because no matter what Miranda said...Abraham beat him.

Anywho, water under the bridge...what Pavlik did was amazing. Yes he to high risk for Taylor...but not sure about being low reward.

A firefight against Pavlik that ended with Taylor TKOing him would rejuvinate his career & all that he would have to say was that "You see Larry...I just...I just couldn't get up against them smaller guys...but I respect Pavlik for fighting me. He uh strong man, Larry."

And our New Middleweight Champ would finally have reared his head.

Then again Pavlik could crack his ass the fwock out & then we'd really have OUR Middleweight Champoin.

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Clicked back my man. Excellent RBR too. I agree, JT fighting and beating Kelly would garner alot of respect but I don't think JT would want to fight him. Pavlik doesn't bring enough $$$ which is what I meant with low rewrd. Of course hardcores like us would be lavishing praise on him if he won a war against Kelly but I just don't see it. I think he needs to fight JC or Kelly next.

Heh,both JC and JT have tough tough fighters after them!!!! Pavlik and Kessler! Will we see a change of guard?

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Wow, what a fight! You had a sense coming in that it was going to be this way. Neither Miranda nor Pavlik have ever given the impression that they're anything but straight-ahead, hard-punching, never-say-die fighters. I'd watch ANY fight either of these two would have. My total respect to both of these fighters, who more than earned their money, and a fight that more than lived up to expectations. May we have many more "Miranda-Pavlik"s down the road.

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Yup,if only the world awaited more fights like this and Rafa-Isreal,JMM-MAB....JLC Rh,Margarito PW,Zab Cotto, and tonnes more to come.2007 has been sensational imo. Already more good fights than least year combined and not even half way through yet!

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Anyone notice the total lack of power in some of Pantera's punches? Was that to do with the weight,as he had to weigh in like 2 or 3 times and that he couldnt get power into them going backwards? They are also long,looping,I don't think he knew how to shorten them!

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:coolclick: Good eyes, babe. Yep. Noticed that during the mid stances of the first round.

Not sure what that was...but he truely wasn't the Miranda that fought Green or Abraham...but saying that...well...IWO that takes away from Pavlik's win a bit & gives Miranda some cheap excuse.

There again...Kelly ripped him hard the minute they came out & it's highly likely that Miranda just couldn't recover from it.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Clicked back my man. Excellent RBR too. I agree, JT fighting and beating Kelly would garner alot of respect but I don't think JT would want to fight him. Pavlik doesn't bring enough $$$ which is what I meant with low rewrd. Of course hardcores like us would be lavishing praise on him if he won a war against Kelly but I just don't see it. I think he needs to fight JC or Kelly next.

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I agree with you now...Taylor's excuse for dodging Pavlik will be Calzaghe's money...so we will probably see Calzaghe vs Pavlik if the shot can be made...fingers crossed we'll be seeing Pavlik vs Wright...poor Pavlik is all I can say. IWO, if that fight came off...Pavlik would respect Wright waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much & Wright would just pick him off.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

...both JC and JT have tough tough fighters after them!!!! Pavlik and Kessler! Will we see a change of guard?

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You are wrong there my friend...Taylor's the only one with the prospects of a tuff fight.

Calzaghe will take the Taylor fight & you can bet your ass that Taylor will take the money.

As far as Kessler vs Calzaghe...I just go back & forth on it. Kess def has the power & abilities to stop Joe...but Joe will most likely get up for a fight of that magnitude & throw so many shots that Kessler's jab won't find a home.

The thing is...I'm a huge fan of pretty much everyone discussed as future Calzaghe opponents...but I'm a fan of boxing first...so whoever wins...good enough for me.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Wow, what a fight! You had a sense coming in that it was going to be this way. Neither Miranda nor Pavlik have ever given the impression that they're anything but straight-ahead, hard-punching, never-say-die fighters. I'd watch ANY fight either of these two would have. My total respect to both of these fighters, who more than earned their money, and a fight that more than lived up to expectations. May we have many more "Miranda-Pavlik"s down the road.

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You know...no matter how long you stay away...you always post with class material. Totally agree here. :coolclick:

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Anyone notice the total lack of power in some of Pantera's punches? Was that to do with the weight,as he had to weigh in like 2 or 3 times and that he couldnt get power into them going backwards? They are also long,looping,I don't think he knew how to shorten them!

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:coolclick: Good eyes, babe. Yep. Noticed that during the mid stances of the first round.

Not sure what that was...but he truely wasn't the Miranda that fought Green or Abraham...but saying that...well...IWO that takes away from Pavlik's win a bit & gives Miranda some cheap excuse.

There again...Kelly ripped him hard the minute they came out & it's highly likely that Miranda just couldn't recover from it.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Clicked back my man. Excellent RBR too. I agree, JT fighting and beating Kelly would garner alot of respect but I don't think JT would want to fight him. Pavlik doesn't bring enough $$$ which is what I meant with low rewrd. Of course hardcores like us would be lavishing praise on him if he won a war against Kelly but I just don't see it. I think he needs to fight JC or Kelly next.

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I agree with you now...Taylor's excuse for dodging Pavlik will be Calzaghe's money...so we will probably see Calzaghe vs Pavlik if the shot can be made...fingers crossed we'll be seeing Pavlik vs Wright...poor Pavlik is all I can say. IWO, if that fight came off...Pavlik would respect Wright waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much & Wright would just pick him off.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

...both JC and JT have tough tough fighters after them!!!! Pavlik and Kessler! Will we see a change of guard?

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You are wrong there my friend...Taylor's the only one with the prospects of a tuff fight.

Calzaghe will take the Taylor fight & you can bet your a** that Taylor will take the money.

As far as Kessler vs Calzaghe...I just go back & forth on it. Kess def has the power & abilities to stop Joe...but Joe will most likely get up for a fight of that magnitude & throw so many shots that Kessler's jab won't find a home.

The thing is...I'm a huge fan of pretty much everyone discussed as future Calzaghe opponents...but I'm a fan of boxing first...so whoever wins...good enough for me.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Wow, what a fight! You had a sense coming in that it was going to be this way. Neither Miranda nor Pavlik have ever given the impression that they're anything but straight-ahead, hard-punching, never-say-die fighters. I'd watch ANY fight either of these two would have. My total respect to both of these fighters, who more than earned their money, and a fight that more than lived up to expectations. May we have many more "Miranda-Pavlik"s down the road.

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You know...no matter how long you stay away...you always post with class material. Totally agree here. :coolclick:

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Talking boxing with friends like you, and other veteran, knowledgeable posters who love boxing like we do..................... that's what keeps me coming back. CC back.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Talking boxing with friends like you, and other veteran, knowledgeable posters who love boxing like we do..................... that's what keeps me coming back. CC back.

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Hate to sound like a "thweet toof" or a full blown "CuteMick" but you know Wacko loves ya & has nothing but respect for you. Your'e good people babe. No shit. Wacko means that from the bottom of his heart. Cheers.

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Originally Posted by djfranknitti

Yo, I was at the fight sitting front row, I saw everything. Pantera drew first blood on Plavik but I notice that Pantera, just as Plavik, has weak legs. The power is just in the arms, that's all.

Plavik is a much better fighter than Pantera, who is physical better conditioned than Plavik, but I think that Plavik has to stay his size to continue to fight in his weight class, He could easily be a cruiserweight if he worked out any more, than he currently does. Plavik picked Pantera apart.

Neither fighter has any defense what so ever, which is a must against the likes of Cory Spinks and Jermaine Taylor.

I must say that everyone in Pantera's camp is just as over zealous as he is, to me the guy hasn't fought anyone and his thin frame will only allow him to fight, conditionally, at the weight he is at right now. He claims to be ready to fight anyone and would be willing to fight anyone up to crusier, if he does that I will be the first to accept that challenge because he is a weak loud mouth little B******. I could easily punch through his weak a** defense, and I must say his speed was not impressive at all to me. Plavik, consistantly bullied this guy, killing him in the corner.

I also must say, Pantera, could not hold up to Jermaine Taylor, he would go in round three because I noticed, Taylor likes to take at least two and half rounds to feel out his fighter before killing them. Cory spinks would knock out Pantera in the first round, because Spinks is much faster with the punch and is a very sly slick fighter. Pantera is not that smart, just a fighter thats all.

By the way the Taylor-Spinks fight wasn't a fight at all, it looked as though both guys were best friends and didn't want to fight really but Taylor was still quick the jab, playing his game of beating you by points.

Pantera's camp needs to get him with more fights with american fighters, that latin american bullcrap record is nothing to me, everyone knows american fighters are better fighters P4P, except for Lennox Lewis and other heavy weights, lol.

I must say this about the Pantera camp, they know how to party!!!! Partied with them all nite long the night before the fight, it must be noted Pantera was not there, which he should have been, I mean hey if you get beat like the way he did, you might as well have fun before taking your a** whoping, lol.

Also, Plavik needs to study the game a little more or his traniners need to teach him to go for the kill early, there were several instances in the third round where Plavik could have finished the fight quickly but it was like he wasn't sure that his fighter was finished, but it was clear, Pantera, was finished.

The fight should not have lasted til the sixth round, it should have been a 3 round tko by Plavik.

It was the best fight of the night to me by far.

Also big shouts out to the Pantera camp, they are coold people to kick it with it.

I hopes that sheds light on everything.

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The only thing this sheds light on is your total ignorance about the world of boxing. Oh, and one more thing..............

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My fucking converter box went out yesterday, could get basic cable but no HBO. Sucked.

How did the Pavlik fight go? Did he back Miranda up, or let Miranda come to him? I was thinking that if he could back Miranda up that would be a way to go cause a guy like Miranda usually doesn't fight well moving back.

But I'm not gonna act like I thought Pavlik would win, I thought he had a chance cause I always have said that Miranda's been a bit overrated, but then again I wasn't that high on Pavlik after his last fight.

Anyway, what's happened to Jermain Taylor? I mean this was a tougher style matchup than Ouma, who had the perfect style for Taylor, even that fight he looked like shit. Still after watching the Karmazin fight, especially the later parts I didn't think Spinks had that much of a chance, and definitely didn't think he'd get a close decision.

It's not that Miranda is over rated, It's just Pavlik is that good!

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Originally Posted by TheDukeof74

It's not that Miranda is over rated, It's just Pavlik is that good!

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BINGO!

I always thought he was being overhyped, the Gibbs win wasn't much to speak about and I didn't think he was very impressive against Green. Not saying I thought he was a bad fighter I just didn't think he was as good as a lot of people thought he was.

But good for Pavlik, I clearly underrated him coming into this.