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So Kirk I’m curious. You always post every bad economic number you can find, and admit that is easy to do as google searches dig up the neg on trump. Anyway I want your opinion on a recession. I gave you several reasons one could come about even next year which may include the corporate buybacks but I still think we are good for the foreseeable. I talk to and listen to many people smarter than I in economics and equities and those that don’t see the bottom dropping out make a good argument. So do you find yourself following the opposing view that it will hit within the next twelve months? You don’t need to post charts and stuff just want YOUR opinion, we can get back to numbers later

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It all depends mate. I think I know what will happen but I can't put a timeline on it. Central banks are indicating they're going to raise rates/tighten the money supply. That more than anything is going to drive economic events unless Trump's trade war escalates. The Fed basically told emerging markets to drop dead a little while ago saying they wouldn't be deflected from rate rises by any problems in the second world. The combined effect of the Fed, ECB, Bank of Japan and Bank of England will be contractionary within months if they don't change course. They're desperate to raise rates while economies are doing well so that they can cut rates when the next recession hits and create some stimulus. They don't want to face going into the next recession with record government deficits (in America anyway), record debt levels and no room to cut interest rates.

China are going tthe other way to avoid corporate default/flight problems but this will weaken their currency and may start Trump off with a currency war too. Lots can go wrong with that idiot in charge. Lots can go wrong everywhere. What's going to happen to Italy when the ECB raises rates? They're too big to fail and too big to save. There are too many moving parts even to write a quick summary which you really have to do to have any sort of context to follow the whole thing. Long story short, provided a trade/currency/etc war doesn't escalate and cause a recession the most likely thing to cause the next recession is rate raises. Like I said before, when the next recession does hit the new narrative will be how deceptively fragile the current economic recovery was and it was just papering over the cracks and so on. As events progress and I can get more of a handle on what's going to happen when I'll let you know.

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fair enough I agree it takes a lot of info to input I was just looking for ur opinion, it’s all good

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So Kirk I’m curious. You always post every bad economic number you can find, and admit that is easy to do as google searches dig up the neg on trump. Anyway I want your opinion on a recession. I gave you several reasons one could come about even next year which may include the corporate buybacks but I still think we are good for the foreseeable. I talk to and listen to many people smarter than I in economics and equities and those that don’t see the bottom dropping out make a good argument. So do you find yourself following the opposing view that it will hit within the next twelve months? You don’t need to post charts and stuff just want YOUR opinion, we can get back to numbers later

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It all depends mate. I think I know what will happen but I can't put a timeline on it. Central banks are indicating they're going to raise rates/tighten the money supply. That more than anything is going to drive economic events unless Trump's trade war escalates. The Fed basically told emerging markets to drop dead a little while ago saying they wouldn't be deflected from rate rises by any problems in the second world. The combined effect of the Fed, ECB, Bank of Japan and Bank of England will be contractionary within months if they don't change course. They're desperate to raise rates while economies are doing well so that they can cut rates when the next recession hits and create some stimulus. They don't want to face going into the next recession with record government deficits (in America anyway), record debt levels and no room to cut interest rates.

China are going tthe other way to avoid corporate default/flight problems but this will weaken their currency and may start Trump off with a currency war too. Lots can go wrong with that idiot in charge. Lots can go wrong everywhere. What's going to happen to Italy when the ECB raises rates? They're too big to fail and too big to save. There are too many moving parts even to write a quick summary which you really have to do to have any sort of context to follow the whole thing. Long story short, provided a trade/currency/etc war doesn't escalate and cause a recession the most likely thing to cause the next recession is rate raises. Like I said before, when the next recession does hit the new narrative will be how deceptively fragile the current economic recovery was and it was just papering over the cracks and so on. As events progress and I can get more of a handle on what's going to happen when I'll let you know.

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fair enough I agree it takes a lot of info to input I was just looking for ur opinion, it’s all good

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Even Kirkland Laing can't tell you months out from something when it'll happen. I'll personally be happy with 24 hours notice. Should be more than that though.

https://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2018...conomists-say/

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/op...1107-0015.html

This lays it out rather simply but this will be an interesting development

The tearful reunions — ordered by a court in California — came as the government said that it would release hundreds of migrant families wearing ankle bracelet monitors into the United States, effectively returning to the “catch and release” policy that President Trump promised to eliminate.

Trump administration officials also said that they have stopped referring migrant adults who enter the United States with children for prosecution.


“Parents with children under the age of 5 are being reunited with their children and then released and enrolled into an alternative detention program,” Matthew Albence, Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s executive associate director of enforcement and removal operations, told reporters on Tuesday.
He said that means the migrants will be given ankle bracelets “and released into the community.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/10/u...mid=tw-nytimes

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There are always a load of people retiring ahead of midterm elections. None of these people are "deep state" actors Lyle, they're just politicians who are either retiring or getting out before they're voted out.

I'm not sure what the significance is of the Steele dossier being passed to the FBI by a Republican. It was also passed to the FBI by Steele too. The FBI have used information provided by Steele in a bunch of criminal cases, including the FIFA investigation. And the Steele dossier is another red herring too, the FBI have already said that any information that they used from the Steele dossier in any action they took had been corroborated by them from other sources.

Trump appointed Rosenstein before any of the Comey business started.

As far as Huma goes other than a tiny number of crazy right wing people nobody believes that she's a radical Muslim or any of the other conspiracy stuff. You're never going to accept that because you get all your news and information from crazy right wing people.

The Saudi prince you're claiming is so radical used to own a big chunk of Fox News. He's a big friend and business partner of Rupert Murdoch, the Bush family and other prominent Americans. He got shaken down by a relative recently but that doesn't make him a radical.

There's a big difference between dodgy financial dealings, which almost every US Senator does (there's a massive amount of insider trading that goes on unreported by pretty much every Senator) and actually sending weapons to America's enemies. That's just crazy stuff Lyle.

Once again you can put your money where your mouth is. Either at some point Trump is going to srop the hammer and there are going to be thousands of arrests of all these deep state/Democratic/Muslim/etc people or any indictments will be on the Trump side of this bet.

What will happen is that Mueller will eventually do whatever he does and any indictments will be on the Trump side of this. All this crazy conspiracy stuff will turn out to be crazy conspiracy stuff. Except some people won't be able to accept that. Just like

Hillary Clinton is ABSOLUTELY guilty of numerous FELONIES....
The lack of charges against Hillary is 100% proof of James Comey being in on the deal when ANYONE else, literally ANYONE else would have been run through the ringer.

Hillary will still be guilty of numerous FELONIES as will Obama and countless others, and the lack of future charges against these people will be 100% proof in your mind of their guilt and some deep state coverup so big that even Trump couldn't uncover it.

There really are some people you can fool all of the time.

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Obviously there are retirements all the time, and no #NOTALL the folks refusing another term are deep state, but SOME are. Or of course YOU can know better, so why even bother responding to me if you think so lowly of me and think everything I post as ridiculous and part of some crazy conspiracy theory? Why bother?


So you believe the dossier 100% then?


OK so you just don't want to address what I said about Huma, you just want to avoid any questions, skirt by the FACTS, and pretend that there are 0 questions about her. OK, that's fine...no, no, don't ever go back and address those questions I like it like this.

People as wealthy as Alwaleed Bin-Talal consistently play both sides against the other....what part of that is mutually exclusive to what I've said? Could Bin-Talal not have owned part of Fox News and been "friends" with Murdoch and also funded terrorism, the expansion of Islam into places like Harvard? But hey, don't bother fucking answering that either because it's easier if you're just dismissive.

"There's a big difference between dodgy financial dealings, which almost every US Senator does (there's a massive amount of insider trading that goes on unreported by pretty much every Senator) and actually sending weapons to America's enemies.".......morally, no, no there's not much difference and again it wouldn't be the first time American politicians gave weapons to terrorists.


You believe Mueller will get Trump...fine....I guess I'll wait for that day


I tell you what, if you EVER find yourself on the wrong side of the law in America....do EXACTLY what Hillary Clinton did and see where it gets you. You seem to believe that she did nothing wrong, so you do EXACTLY as she did and we'll see just what occurs for YOU. Look and see what happened to Kristian Saucier, he didn't do a tenth of what Hillary did and he was thrown in jail.

https://www.rollcall.com/news/hawkin...ver-mostly-top


The total wealth of all current members was at least $2.43 billion when the 115th Congress began, 20 percent more than the collective riches of the previous Congress, a significant gain during a period when both the Dow Jones industrial average and Standard & Poor’s 500 index rose slightly less than 10 percent.


This shows how much our representatives really understand the people

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Obviously there are retirements all the time, and no #NOTALL the folks refusing another term are deep state, but SOME are. Or of course YOU can know better, so why even bother responding to me if you think so lowly of me and think everything I post as ridiculous and part of some crazy conspiracy theory? Why bother?


So you believe the dossier 100% then?


OK so you just don't want to address what I said about Huma, you just want to avoid any questions, skirt by the FACTS, and pretend that there are 0 questions about her. OK, that's fine...no, no, don't ever go back and address those questions I like it like this.

People as wealthy as Alwaleed Bin-Talal consistently play both sides against the other....what part of that is mutually exclusive to what I've said? Could Bin-Talal not have owned part of Fox News and been "friends" with Murdoch and also funded terrorism, the expansion of Islam into places like Harvard? But hey, don't bother fucking answering that either because it's easier if you're just dismissive.

"There's a big difference between dodgy financial dealings, which almost every US Senator does (there's a massive amount of insider trading that goes on unreported by pretty much every Senator) and actually sending weapons to America's enemies.".......morally, no, no there's not much difference and again it wouldn't be the first time American politicians gave weapons to terrorists.


You believe Mueller will get Trump...fine....I guess I'll wait for that day


I tell you what, if you EVER find yourself on the wrong side of the law in America....do EXACTLY what Hillary Clinton did and see where it gets you. You seem to believe that she did nothing wrong, so you do EXACTLY as she did and we'll see just what occurs for YOU. Look and see what happened to Kristian Saucier, he didn't do a tenth of what Hillary did and he was thrown in jail.

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Who are these deep state actors Lyle? What is their function in the deep state?

I'm not going to spend time arguing about crazy right wing six degrees of Kevin Bacon stuff about Huma being a radical Muslim. It's fucking mental Lyle. look. I used to work with a South African white supremacist. He eventually got arrested at an airfield in South Africa with two planes full of weapons that he'd bought from some arms dealer in order to overthrow Nelson Mandela's government which had just taken power. He then bought his way out of jail, surrendered his passport and is now living in Paraguay with the sons and daughters of actual Nazis. So by your reckoning I have ties with Adolf Hitler. It's fucking nuts mate. Crazy fruit loop stuff.


You know they've studied religions at Harvard since it was set up, right? There's no evidence at all of that particular Saudi prince being radical.

I've never said Mueller will get Trump.

Alberto Gonzalez and David Petraeus did far worse than Hillary and either weren't charged or got a slap on the wrist. Comey said in his press conference announcing that he wasn't charging Hillary that if Gonzalez wasn't charged then there's no way charges could be brought against Hillary. So far half a dozen of the current Trump administration have been caught using private email accounts which breaks various laws about presidential record keeping on top of anything classified they may have sent but there's no investigations of them even. There is nothing Hillary did, zero, that warrants charging her with anything.

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Who are these deep state actors Lyle? What is their function in the deep state?

I'm not going to spend time arguing about crazy right wing six degrees of Kevin Bacon stuff about Huma being a radical Muslim. It's fucking mental Lyle. look. I used to work with a South African white supremacist. He eventually got arrested at an airfield in South Africa with two planes full of weapons that he'd bought from some arms dealer in order to overthrow Nelson Mandela's government which had just taken power. He then bought his way out of jail, surrendered his passport and is now living in Paraguay with the sons and daughters of actual Nazis. So by your reckoning I have ties with Adolf Hitler. It's fucking nuts mate. Crazy fruit loop stuff.


You know they've studied religions at Harvard since it was set up, right? There's no evidence at all of that particular Saudi prince being radical.

I've never said Mueller will get Trump.

Alberto Gonzalez and David Petraeus did far worse than Hillary and either weren't charged or got a slap on the wrist. Comey said in his press conference announcing that he wasn't charging Hillary that if Gonzalez wasn't charged then there's no way charges could be brought against Hillary. So far half a dozen of the current Trump administration have been caught using private email accounts which breaks various laws about presidential record keeping on top of anything classified they may have sent but there's no investigations of them even. There is nothing Hillary did, zero, that warrants charging her with anything.

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It remains to be seen. It remains to be seen.

Beautiful anecdote Kirkland....did you work FOR the white supremacist at a place which soft peddled white supremacy to the public? No? No ya didn't? Awwww....well I guess that makes your lil story meaningless, but thank you for taking the time.


Al-Waleed Bin Talal was only arrested for corruption and extremism....what's that second part....oh nothing...pay it no mind.


OK then Kirkland, it's whatever you say I give up on it

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnb...us-dollar.html

Kirky here is another article about China and Russia. I know there was also talk about China dumping bond holdings but they suspect that was just saber rattling because of trade. However Russia and China have been talking about a gold backed currency rather than the current petro dollar which has been used since the seventies. We made an agreement at the time for oil purchases to be done only in dollars. China beat us as the the largest importer of oil and there usage will continue to grow so they can put pressure on the house of saud to to accept the yuan. We provide security to the Saudi oil field so we can apply pressure. It’ll be interesting to see how it plays out

Absolute shitshow with the Stzrok hearing today. The Democrats tried to block and stop everything. The Republicans did get flustered and they were pissed off about it. Peter Stzrok is mini-Comey a smug smarmy narcissist...."I can't recall sending that text"...."actually you have to look at the context surrounding the text".....oh really? I thought you "didn't remember"....what a piece of shit.

Info for my mate kirky........Last week brought a little (at least short-term) good news if you’re worried about the yield curve inverting.

The 10-year U.S. Treasury yield rose above 3% for the first time in four years. This will be the opposite of inversion, if it persists. It makes the curve steeper unless short-term rates rise even more.

In spite of that, the yield curve is still abnormally flat. The gap between 2-year and 10-year Treasury yields hasn’t been this low since before the last recession. This gap dropped below zero—i.e. inverted—shortly before the last three recessions.

We haven’t seen it yet in this cycle. But we certainly could see inversion within the next year or so if it keeps dropping at the current rate.

That’s quite possible if the Fed keeps hiking because they have hit their inflation and employment targets.

An Inverted Yield Curve Is a Far-Leading Indicator

The Fed is now walking a very tight rope. The Fed knows deep down that it has to get rates back up so that it has a few “bullets” for the next recession.

It is likely the Fed will keep hiking rates until we get to an inverted yield curve. Is the Fed aware of all the literature and what it’s doing? Absolutely. Candidly, I can’t imagine accepting a Fed appointment knowing that we are this late in the cycle.

Does an inverted yield curve guarantee a recession? No, but inversions are strong evidence that one is forming.

Last month, yet another new San Francisco Fed study found an inverted yield curve—which predicted all nine US recessions since 1955 and is still valid even in today’s low-rate environment.

However, yield curve inversion is a far-leading indicator, which is why my previous recession and bear market calls were early. Those nine recessions all began 6–24 months after the yield curve inverted.

And, in the ones I’m old enough to remember, many experts spent those months telling us that this time was different. (Spoiler: It wasn’t.) And I expect the same again.

Look around at all the great economic news. I’m aware of it. But the economy was hitting on all cylinders in early 2000 and late 2006, too. The numbers always look great right before a recession. Then it all rolls over at once.

A Sign That Something Is Rotten

An inverted yield curve doesn’t immediately damage the economy. It’s like fever. It points to damage that is already happening—an underlying infection.

It means bond investors have lost short-term confidence in the economy and want to lock in longer-term interest rates.

You don’t want to buy, say, one-year bills if you think rates will be lower when it’s time to reinvest them. That will be the case if, for instance, you expect the Fed to be lowering rates to stave off recession.

Fevers usually don’t kill you, they are a symptom of something being wrong. But if a fever gets high enough or lasts long enough, it will kill you. Which is why hospitals work so hard to keep your fever down.

A steeply inverted yield curve that goes on long enough is like having 108° fever. Both banks and shadow lenders go upside down on their “book” and stop making loans. That can freeze the economy and make a garden-variety recession even worse.

Which is why any central bank facing that scenario lowers rates and fights the yield curve.

The London Interbank Offering Rate (LIBOR) has for most of my adult life been the world’s most important private interest rate. By now, you know that it is going away and new substitutes are coming. But LIBOR is still out there for a short time, so let’s look at it.

There’s now less than a 60 basis point spread on the Treasury 2/10, and half that if you’re using LIBOR, which I think of as more free market.

If you go out the LIBOR swap market, you find a 20-year swap is not much different than a 10-year. The further out the curve you go, the flatter it gets. This is what happens at the end of an economic cycle and right before the yield curve inverts.

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What a surprise from the boot lickers of the Fake News in Chief. No mention of the 250 000+ protestors on the streets of London. Makes you proud to be British.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO4JJZirrbw

Crickets from the Trumptards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYd6pN_yI7U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpbtVUtk32k

Nothing on the NATO debacle, the general stupidity crassness and ignorant interfering or the protests across Europe or in Glasgow and Turnberry etc

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...onald-12912429

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The Nazis must be stopped, no trump no kkk no facist USA

Nothing on how 'Well below Par' the twat is on everything

https://news.sky.com/video/well-belo...-demo-11436406

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The Nazis must be stopped, no trump no kkk no facist USA. Trump poses a terrible threat on England and he must be stopped

They met at Blenheim Palace in Oxford.

Trump is avoiding London to avoid the irate protesters.

I said before he shouldn’t even go at all, but going for the purpose of destroying Theresa May and installing Boris Johnson as PM… well, that is worth a stop off between wrecking NATO in Brussels and then fixing the world order with Putin in Helsinki.

NOTHING @El Kabong about Trump choosing your favourite newspaper The currant Bun to give an exclusive interview in which he slags of the Prime Minister, is recorded and broadcast doing so around the world and then denies it the next day.

Rolling out his 'Fake News' projection just like you and your fellow lap dogs will repeat even after this


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abC5TlMWhTw

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The Nazis must be stopped, no trump no kkk no facist USA. Trump poses a terrible threat on England and he must be stopped

They met at Blenheim Palace in Oxford.

Trump is avoiding London to avoid the irate protesters.

I said before he shouldn’t even go at all, but going for the purpose of destroying Theresa May and installing Boris Johnson as PM… well, that is worth a stop off between wrecking NATO in Brussels and then fixing the world order with Putin in Helsinki.

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If there was another War, I would not hesitate to line up on the beaches against mendacious cunts like you. Back your traitor but take the consequences like a man

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The Nazis must be stopped, no trump no kkk no facist USA. Trump poses a terrible threat on England and he must be stopped

They met at Blenheim Palace in Oxford.

Trump is avoiding London to avoid the irate protesters.

I said before he shouldn’t even go at all, but going for the purpose of destroying Theresa May and installing Boris Johnson as PM… well, that is worth a stop off between wrecking NATO in Brussels and then fixing the world order with Putin in Helsinki.

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If there was another War, I would not hesitate to line up on the beaches against mendacious cunts like you. Back your traitor but take the consequences like a man

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You don’t live in America. All you do is post slagging of America

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The Nazis must be stopped, no trump no kkk no facist USA. Trump poses a terrible threat on England and he must be stopped

They met at Blenheim Palace in Oxford.

Trump is avoiding London to avoid the irate protesters.

I said before he shouldn’t even go at all, but going for the purpose of destroying Theresa May and installing Boris Johnson as PM… well, that is worth a stop off between wrecking NATO in Brussels and then fixing the world order with Putin in Helsinki.

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If there was another War, I would not hesitate to line up on the beaches against mendacious cunts like you. Back your traitor but take the consequences like a man

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You don’t live in America. All you do is post slagging of America you and your lap dog gang need to go back to your Nazi dog #freetommy threads

This sums it up ha ha ha

Trump is in many ways the perfect foil for a left that has become more moralistic than political, that sees protest as a means to express their own moral objections rather than to mobilise to achieve specific aims. This is what has made protests in recent decades so off-putting, even where one might agree with them. The rallying cry of the Iraq War marches wasn’t Hands off Iraq, or Down with Western Imperialism. It was Not In My Name. The slogan of today might as well be I’m Better Than Him.
On some level, the protesters know this. To the charge that these protests are merely ‘symbolic’, a writer in Vice says that ‘protests, at their best, can be moments of powerful catharsis for participants, and a lifeline for those who feel alone as the world slides out of shape’. What he’s talking about is therapy, not politics. And if there’s anything truly striking about political life today, it’s not the illiberal blowhard that is Trump – it is how hysterical, disconnected and feeble the left has become.

British moral outrage and all that stuff and etiquette and all that stuff is so outdated it's so anachronistic and unnecessary and pedantic when are those people going to get over all of those Hang-Ups?

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The Nazis must be stopped, no trump no kkk no facist USA. Trump poses a terrible threat on England and he must be stopped

They met at Blenheim Palace in Oxford.

Trump is avoiding London to avoid the irate protesters.

I said before he shouldn’t even go at all, but going for the purpose of destroying Theresa May and installing Boris Johnson as PM… well, that is worth a stop off between wrecking NATO in Brussels and then fixing the world order with Putin in Helsinki.

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If there was another War, I would not hesitate to line up on the beaches against mendacious cunts like you. Back your traitor but take the consequences like a man

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Hey that is a good one. I’ve already been to battle so I don’t think you would hold back this mendacious cunt but I do like the your delusional post +1 to the beaner

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Trump is in many ways the perfect foil for a left that has become more moralistic than political, that sees protest as a means to express their own moral objections rather than to mobilise to achieve specific aims. This is what has made protests in recent decades so off-putting, even where one might agree with them. The rallying cry of the Iraq War marches wasn’t Hands off Iraq, or Down with Western Imperialism. It was Not In My Name. The slogan of today might as well be I’m Better Than Him.
On some level, the protesters know this. To the charge that these protests are merely ‘symbolic’, a writer in Vice says that ‘protests, at their best, can be moments of powerful catharsis for participants, and a lifeline for those who feel alone as the world slides out of shape’. What he’s talking about is therapy, not politics. And if there’s anything truly striking about political life today, it’s not the illiberal blowhard that is Trump – it is how hysterical, disconnected and feeble the left has become.

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You can justify it however you like but there is a great number of people who are against what your President stands for and it hurts your delicate souls. Bless.

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This sums it up ha ha ha

Trump is in many ways the perfect foil for a left that has become more moralistic than political, that sees protest as a means to express their own moral objections rather than to mobilise to achieve specific aims. This is what has made protests in recent decades so off-putting, even where one might agree with them. The rallying cry of the Iraq War marches wasn’t Hands off Iraq, or Down with Western Imperialism. It was Not In My Name. The slogan of today might as well be I’m Better Than Him.
On some level, the protesters know this. To the charge that these protests are merely ‘symbolic’, a writer in Vice says that ‘protests, at their best, can be moments of powerful catharsis for participants, and a lifeline for those who feel alone as the world slides out of shape’. What he’s talking about is therapy, not politics. And if there’s anything truly striking about political life today, it’s not the illiberal blowhard that is Trump – it is how hysterical, disconnected and feeble the left has become.

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You can justify it however you like but there is a great number of people who are against what your President stands for and it hurts your delicate souls. Bless.

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This is the problem that I have with it though @Master, now I'm not saying that I am pro Trump at all but this 'great number of people who are against Trump' wouldn't be able to give a single example of why they are against him, people just make their minds up because tabloids like The Sun run articles on his silly haircut, how he drinks from a bottle of water, whether his missus doesn't hold his hand when he gets off a plane.

@walrus is spot on when he says that the left has become moralistic rather than political, half of them don't even understand their own arguments and often contradict themselves when put to task.

Obviously I'm not talking about everyone but a large number which is ever growing because of the way that the media has been dumbed down.

Oh dear....Beanz is rather "triggered" it seems. Trump has nothing to do with Liverpool FC so I don't mind if he talks to The S*n he's under no moral obligation not to. CNN is indeed fake news. Beanz, you'll do nothing but pout is what you'll do. "I'm going to line up on the beach! GRRRRRR!!!!"....what would you do you delusional bastard? Would you take the place of a Czech hedgehog and attempt to stop an amphibious landing? Soooooo worried about Americans and no cares about Islamic extremists.....PRIORITIES.


Protest all you want....your own politicians don't give one single fuck about you (unless they can use you for political theater) why should Trump?

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This sums it up ha ha ha

Trump is in many ways the perfect foil for a left that has become more moralistic than political, that sees protest as a means to express their own moral objections rather than to mobilise to achieve specific aims. This is what has made protests in recent decades so off-putting, even where one might agree with them. The rallying cry of the Iraq War marches wasn’t Hands off Iraq, or Down with Western Imperialism. It was Not In My Name. The slogan of today might as well be I’m Better Than Him.
On some level, the protesters know this. To the charge that these protests are merely ‘symbolic’, a writer in Vice says that ‘protests, at their best, can be moments of powerful catharsis for participants, and a lifeline for those who feel alone as the world slides out of shape’. What he’s talking about is therapy, not politics. And if there’s anything truly striking about political life today, it’s not the illiberal blowhard that is Trump – it is how hysterical, disconnected and feeble the left has become.

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You can justify it however you like but there is a great number of people who are against what your President stands for and it hurts your delicate souls. Bless.

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This is the problem that I have with it though @Master, now I'm not saying that I am pro Trump at all but this 'great number of people who are against Trump' wouldn't be able to give a single example of why they are against him, people just make their minds up because tabloids like The Sun run articles on his silly haircut, how he drinks from a bottle of water, whether his missus doesn't hold his hand when he gets off a plane.

@walrus is spot on when he says that the left has become moralistic rather than political, half of them don't even understand their own arguments and often contradict themselves when put to task.

Obviously I'm not talking about everyone but a large number which is ever growing because of the way that the media has been dumbed down.

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I disagree, Trump gave an exclusive interview to the Sun. I am not saying people are jumping on the bandwagon but not that many that have taken the time out to demonstrate. Most despise what he does and his attitude to certain groups.

Batman it is incredibly unlikely even 1% of people protesting read the sun ffs. Have you not noticed how cunts like Walrus and Lyle will not engage on anything. Like Trump it's all just bluster and bullshit. Their contempt for Europe and Brirain is pretty undisguised just like Trump to the point where everything is a middle finger up to us and you are just going to stand there and take it?

Trump has done alright and deserves praise. It's just a London protesting and London isn't even English.

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People from all over the country travelled to protest so your parroting Trumps propaganda for him will not work. Glasgow, Turnberry, Belfast, Europe it was never just England. Blatant 180s in 24 hrs, utter contempt for everyone and choosing The Sun to sell his bollocks and here you are defending the cunt and attacking the English as usual.

BEANZ ~TRIES~ to hold back war hero.

Yeah let's see how that works out for you

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People from all over the country travelled to protest so your parroting Trumps propaganda for him will not work. Glasgow, Turnberry, Belfast, Europe it was never just England. Blatant 180s in 24 hrs, utter contempt for everyone and choosing The Sun to sell his bollocks and here you are defending the cunt and attacking the English as usual.

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Trump- I’d like a bilateral trade deal with England

Crowd- you are a fascist racist cunt bilateral trade deals are racist

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Trump has done alright and deserves praise. It's just a London protesting and London isn't even English.

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People from all over the country travelled to protest so your parroting Trumps propaganda for him will not work. Glasgow, Turnberry, Belfast, Europe it was never just England. Blatant 180s in 24 hrs, utter contempt for everyone and choosing The Sun to sell his bollocks and here you are defending the cunt and attacking the English as usual.

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Trump- I’d like a bilateral trade deal with England

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Yes that is exactly what crowd said. Or what something inside your head says.

Utter bullshit again from those willing to swallow Trumps regurgitated lies. There were protests against Trump all over the UK in towns and cities from Cornwall to the tip of Scotland people came out in huge numbers to voice their disgust at being treated with contempt by the traitorous cunt who continues to do the bidding of the Deep State that are pulling his strings. Already Bannon and Trump have interfered in a democratic referendum, done their best to tear apart Europe and any alliances that do not reflect their own Xenophobic totalitarian dogma and now the fatuous fuckwit has shat all over the memory of Churchill, had a tantrum at Nato, dissed a 92 year old woman who unlike him actually did not bottle it when the call came to fight for her country, stuck his middle finger up to both Brexiteers and Remainers managing to gob at the entire British population, mocked and patronised the British Prime Minister and suggested that another lechereous buffoon in his mirror image be installed as a replacement. He lied by denying everything he was broadcast saying the night before across all the British News networks and Lyle, Brockton, Walrus and Gandalf none of whom live here fell for it.

So low and desperate have they become in their clamour to be the first to insert their tongue up his arse that they have now resorted to questioning the character of basically anyone in Britain who clearly saw how much Bullshit this Orange bullshit artist spouts in just 48 hrs.

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People from all over the country travelled to protest so your parroting Trumps propaganda for him will not work. Glasgow, Turnberry, Belfast, Europe it was never just England. Blatant 180s in 24 hrs, utter contempt for everyone and choosing The Sun to sell his bollocks and here you are defending the cunt and attacking the English as usual.

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Trump- I’d like a bilateral trade deal with England

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Yes that is exactly what crowd said. Or what something inside your head says.

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@Master what was up with the baby trump ballon? I thought it would fly high over London it looked like it didn’t get more than twenty feet up. I will say it looked like a nice day is it warm in london

A bunch of people who would normally be yelling “fuck the monarchy” and whinging about how the UK taxpayer is subsidizing the lavish lifestyle of a bunch of unrepentant aristocrats suddenly find it in themselves to take the side of the Queen in her struggle against the God Emperor.

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US President Donald Trump failed to impress the British during his visit to the UK, due to both his policies and the way he behaved with the Queen. He broke etiquette several times during his short meeting with the royal.

President Trump and First Lady Melania Trump arrived at Windsor Castle to meet Queen Elizabeth II on Friday, becoming the fourth US president that the 92-year-old monarch has received at the palace, but the 11th that she has met during her reign.

The encounter got off to a bad start, as Trump failed to greet the Queen properly, omitting to offer a neck bow as required in official guidelines on the royal website. Melania also failed to perform the required “small curtsy.” The two rules are not obligatory, as the etiquette provides that “other people prefer simply to shake hands in the usual way.” However, bowing and curtsying are considered good manners and are usually practiced by officials when meeting the royal family.

This is usually what the leaders of friendly nations do. But the attitude and the welcome that the UK has given the President of the United States is absolutely shocking and loathsome.

Why expect courtesy when you fail to give it yourself?

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People from all over the country travelled to protest so your parroting Trumps propaganda for him will not work. Glasgow, Turnberry, Belfast, Europe it was never just England. Blatant 180s in 24 hrs, utter contempt for everyone and choosing The Sun to sell his bollocks and here you are defending the cunt and attacking the English as usual.

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Trump- I’d like a bilateral trade deal with England

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@Master what was up with the baby trump ballon? I thought it would fly high over London it looked like it didn’t get more than twenty feet up. I will say it looked like a nice day is it warm in london

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I expected a bigger balloon, and flying higher. It looked a bit constrained in a video I saw, clearly not what the balloons creators had in mind.

BTW, will Trump be handed the deflated balloon as a souvenir to take home with him?

The complaints that I hear British people making who are against Trump just don't make any sense at all. They are all hyperbole. They are all melodramatic get the violins kind of exaggeration trying to make Trump look like he is doing some really really terrible stuff. None of their complaints are terrible at all. They're trying to make it like it is terrible stuff. Listen what Master said a few posts above. He said so many people are against what Trump stands for. What in God's name Master are you saying that Trump stands for? He stands for Law and Order. He stands for having a border for a Sovereign Nation. He stands for not wanting people to illegally enter. He stands for helping the United States first. He stands for not wanting to be part of globalist agenda is like the trans-pacific partnership and like NAFTA. How is that something bad? Just like Batman said the people who are opposed to Trump have been so dumbed down by the constant left this media attacks on Trump just saying the word orange over and over Orange monster orange gorilla orange fascist orange hair cheeseburgers Diet Coke etc. Etc this is literally enough now for people like beans and his gang to portray Donald Trump as a kind of fascist dictator or Monster. That is literally how dumbed-down people people like beans are and I think that master is just playing along because he never has anything concrete to say that proves that Donald Trump is such a monster as beans and everybody else who was were at those ridiculous protests in the UK yesterday or claiming. Batman is right that these people cannot debate anything they're just reactionary Marxist George soros-funded revolutionaries who all want open borders and lawlessness just like Obama and Clinton wanted. master and beans can just not simply come out and say that all countries need borders and illegal should not be allowed to enter. Nor should countries take in millions and millions of refugees whose cultures and religions do not embellish our country's but in fact are counterproductive to our societies here.