CHENEY PISSES OFF THE KREMLIN

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

china has no reason to go to war with us, and russia cant afford a war

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I'm not saying go to war with anyone!

China is communist yet they run an economy with McDonald's and it's pretty free and open yet they are still commies...something doesn't add up.

Russia's sale of nukes and missles adversly affects EVERYONE not just the US.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

china has no reason to go to war with us, and russia cant afford a war

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I'm not saying go to war with anyone!

China is communist yet they run an economy with McDonald's and it's pretty free and open yet they are still commies...something doesn't add up.

Russia's sale of nukes and missles adversly affects EVERYONE not just the US.

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you hit the nail on the head lyle

Damn straight brotha!

I mean why trade with China and we still don't trade with Cuba? Cuba needs it more...we'll send you McDonald's for baseball players!

the point is that in an attempt to distract the public from the fact that the was for reconstruction money is going horribly cheney pissed off russia, i didnt mean to get into a debate about communism

sorry Sal I am retarded

...but at least you're not communist!

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Originally Posted by Mad_Dog

sorry Sal I am retarded

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Originally Posted by Mad_Dog

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

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Originally Posted by Mad_Dog

ok so I am a retard, I do not know how to use the quote button

let me restate

what is your source Sal that the cold war was a charade..made up so to speak

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not that it ws made up, the entire fear of communism was pushed upon the people by the government

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ok so now the cold war was not a charade.... and it was real glad we settled that

so on to my next question was fear of communism rational or irrational. In my opinion fear of communism was completely rational because of Lenin's influence on the Marxists movement. Lenin believed in "the end justifies the means". Atrocities were committed so that the communist paradise could be accomplished. Lenin, Stalin and Mao had undue influence on modern communist thought hence the fear of communism was real. If the other communist thinkers of the day had as much influence, the ones who infused moralistic thought to communism maybe the fear would not be there. But in the end, Lenin and Mao won the day hence the fear was perfectly legitimate

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Deep subject.

In the present, should 'non-democratic' countries have fear (rational or irrational) of the 'end justifies means' foreign policies of established 'democratic' countries, who also commit atrocities so that the 'democratic' paradise is accomnplished?


*used inverted commas as I don't consider a two horse race where th guy who spends most on adverts wins an election a democracy.

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

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Originally Posted by Mad_Dog

sorry Sal I am retarded

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I am retarded that I did not understand your direction

im not saying that, im just saying i wasnt trying to defend anything, i was just pissed at fucking cheney

when you get to college and take some sociology courses you learn that communism was never really that bad and the actual theory behind it meant well, but it was not realistic to have a purely communistic society in today's world. alot of the bad flack is the brainwashing by the US goverment, hollywood movies etc. but they do the same over there too. as Vitali Klitschko pointing out that Ukraine cartoons make us the enemy and worse than who we really are.

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

im not saying that, im just saying i wasnt trying to defend anything, i was just pissed at fucking cheney

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I'm callin myself retarded sal...nothing on you

I was just apologizing for not understanding what you were saying

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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P

when you get to college and take some sociology courses you learn that communism was never really that bad and the actual theory behind it meant well, but it was not realistic to have a purely communistic society in today's world. alot of the bad flack is the brainwashing by the US goverment, hollywood movies etc. but they do the same over there too. as Vitali Klitschko pointing out that Ukraine cartoons make us the enemy and worse than who we really are.

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funny I learned the total opposite. It originally was a reaction to the evils of the industrial revolution but boy did these guys (Lenin, Mao, Stalin ) become corrupted.

one ironic thing was Marx proclaming that he was not a Marxist. Marx was a very interesting guy.

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Originally Posted by Mad_Dog

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

im not saying that, im just saying i wasnt trying to defend anything, i was just pissed at F****** cheney

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I'm callin myself retarded sal...nothing on you

I was just apologizing for not understanding what you were saying

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i know, i was just trying to say i didnt mean to fight about communism, i meant to unite in hatred for cheney

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Originally Posted by Mad_Dog

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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P

when you get to college and take some sociology courses you learn that communism was never really that bad and the actual theory behind it meant well, but it was not realistic to have a purely communistic society in today's world. alot of the bad flack is the brainwashing by the US goverment, hollywood movies etc. but they do the same over there too. as Vitali Klitschko pointing out that Ukraine cartoons make us the enemy and worse than who we really are.

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funny I learned the total opposite. It originally was a reaction to the evils of the industrial revolution but boy did these guys (Lenin, Mao, Stalin ) become corrupted.

one ironic thing was Marx proclaming that he was not a Marxist. Marx was a very interesting guy.

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really?????? most real soc classes portray communism to be a positive because of its social equality principles.