Re: Could Floyd stand up to this???
Floyd will wear Oscar down. If Oscar don't catch him in the first 6, Floyd will cruise for an easy UD. Just because Oscar beat a guy made for him doesn't mean its the second coming. Oscar lost to a less mobile Mosely years ago, and has only aged. So why would he all of a sudden destroy the best boxer? He wouldn't.
Re: Could Floyd stand up to this???
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Ok the fight is over DLH won ( rather easily )...The talk has already started about DLH VS PBF.......At 147 Zab Judah had Floyd feeling the shots...at times in the first few rds you could see Floyd wimce from the shots Zab gave him....Could PBF stand up to an all out assult by DLH...Without the power to keep Oscar off him what will Floyd do when Oscar is on the attack???
http://youtube.com/watch?v=aTfLkQa5K...de%20la%20hoya
I don't see Floyd standing toe to toe with this kind of assult Dlh laid out in the end of this fight...
Never use this fight as a parometer for how Oscar would perform against PBF. PBF is an entirely different fighter with faster hands and more accurate fists. That would be a fight Oscar would struggle in and look his age. The style of Mayorga his wide swinging and no defense and no keeping his hands up helped ODLH look spectacular. Against the style of Mayorga had Oscar not looked spectacular then it would have been obvious he has nothing left. Mayorga was tailor made for Oscar, Mayweather is not. All the questions are still unanswered, what ODLH did against Mayorga didn't show anything we didn't already know. So I'm not high on ODLH enough to say he would beat Mayweather.
No I would never use this fight to judge another but I will use this fight to prove a point....Every time DLH fights people talk shit....Alot of talk went around about Oscar being away to long and being past his best and not being able to stand up to mayorgs power...but not only did he beat Mayorga but he did it with ease....To be honest with you I was suprised how easily.....and at being able to perform at that level against a dangerous guy like that Mayorga aftyer such a long layoff suprised me even more....I just think Oscar has got more left then given credit for....I do find it funny that all those who swore DLH was going to get KO'd by Ricardo... took back what they said but have to throw in the ...But he won't beat Floyd though along with it
Re: Could Floyd stand up to this???
Most people don't talk shit about Oscar... he is, and was a great fighter maybe all time great... very few people have ever fought as many top end opponents as him let alone never being dominated in any fight. However PBF should he not actually bulk up to 154, and uses his 147 speed against ODLH's 154+ power should stand a chance and would have my vote for winning more often than not.
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Because Floyd wouldn't Zab is a different league than Oscar in terms of speed, and is the closest thing to Floyd in boxing in terms of speed. I think Floyd could get in and out before Oscar could respond.
I think you're getting this speed thing mixed up..ODLH was lightning fast at 140-147...he lost a little when he went up in weight....as will PBF of ZAB if the go up in weight as well... But do they have the power ODLH has...that's the question....can they take those shots from a bigger man......I'm going with "NO"....ODLH beats either of them at 154......now at 147 who knows...but I'm still sticking with ODLH in that case to.
Re: Could Floyd stand up to this???
This is all dumb...After Hatton mops the floor wit Collazo, then Floyd needs to go that route, and thats it.
Floyd needs to fight someone young and undefeated to prove himself. Forget ODLH be a man and fight hatton.
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Because Floyd wouldn't Zab is a different league than Oscar in terms of speed, and is the closest thing to Floyd in boxing in terms of speed. I think Floyd could get in and out before Oscar could respond.
I think you're getting this speed thing mixed up..ODLH was lightning fast at 140-147...he lost a little when he went up in weight....as will PBF of ZAB if the go up in weight as well... But do they have the power ODLH has...that's the question....can the take those shots from a bigger man......I'm going with "NO"....ODLH beats either of them at 154......now at 147 who knows...but I'm still sticking with ODLH in that case to.
ODLH was never in the same league as Zab or Floyd in terms of speed... your mixing things up... They would have been miles faster than him... Mosley was alot faster than him, and I think for individual punches Mosley wasn't as fast as Floyd or Zab. The question is would ODLH ever hit Floyd cleanly I think the answer would be NO.
Re: Could Floyd stand up to this???
Why so many people are sold on Floyd Mayweather's greatness right now is beyond me ???
What level of competition has Floyd fought above 135lb?
Mitchell 140 :P
Judah 147 :P
now who has Oscar fought above 135lb?
Chavez 140
Gonzalez 140
Whitiker 147
Comacho 147
Quartley 147
Trinidad 147
Mosely 147 154
Vargas 154
Sturm 160
Hopkins 160
you lot honestly think lil'Floyd and his soft hands would do better in those fights than Oscar? 140 is where PBF belongs and I think we will all find that out before the end of the year. ;)
The fact is Floyd can have all the speed and defense in the world but Snr will be in Oscars corner.
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Because Floyd wouldn't Zab is a different league than Oscar in terms of speed, and is the closest thing to Floyd in boxing in terms of speed. I think Floyd could get in and out before Oscar could respond.
the speed becomes null and void if the guy you are fighting just bullies and smothers you...and you have nothing to hurt him with to keep him from doing it...DLH gets PBF in the corner or on the ropes it's over
Did Oscar bully and smother Pernell Whitaker? No. He was forced to box him. He'll be forced to box Mayweather, and he'll lose trying.
yeah but sweet pea didnt come to fight he came to survive...PBF will try to win and it will give oppurtunities for oscar to hurt him---which he will
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Because Floyd wouldn't Zab is a different league than Oscar in terms of speed, and is the closest thing to Floyd in boxing in terms of speed. I think Floyd could get in and out before Oscar could respond.
       the speed becomes null and void if the guy you are fighting just bullies and smothers you...and you have nothing to hurt him with to keep him from doing
it...DLH gets PBF in the corner or on the ropes it's over
I disagree PBF keeps one shoulder up he will just roll ODLH's punches and counter. ODLH only opens up like he did against Mayorga because he had him hurt, and Mayorga wasn't throwing back significantly anymore, but he would never open up against somebody like PBF in a such a fashion unless PBF was already unsteady on his feet.
                             DLH hits alot harder than Zab and Judah had Floyd feeling real tender til Judah fizzled out not to mention a better finisher..unlike Judah unless DLH gets tired he isn't thrown off his game plan so easy...and unlike Judah DLH can adjust mid fight if need be
there is NO WAY he hits harder then judah
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Why so many people are sold on Floyd Mayweather's greatness right now is beyond me ???
What level of competition has Floyd fought above 135lb?
Mitchell 140 :P
Judah 147 :P
now who has Oscar fought above 135lb?
Chavez 140
Gonzalez 140
Whitiker 147
Comacho 147
Quartley 147
Trinidad 147
Mosely 147 154
Vargas 154
Sturm 160
Hopkins 160
you lot honestly think lil'Floyd and his soft hands would do better in those fights than Oscar? 140 is where PBF belongs and I think we will all find that out before the end of the year. ;)
The fact is Floyd can have all the speed and defense in the world but Snr will be in Oscars corner.
Exactly when did Floyd Sr. become the second coming of Angelo Dundee? Out of all those fights of Oscar that you mentioned, how many of those was he supposed to lose? I didn't see any evidence of this 'Merlin' like knowledge when Oscar was getting tagged by Felix Sturm, or when he was sprawled out on the canvas against Hopkins. The fact of the matter is that Oscar is just as talented as Mayweather, I acknowledge that, they're both prodigies who started young, like Tiger Woods or Venus Williams or Roy Jones, and have made the most of their skills by not pissing away their talent like so many athletes today do. However, one fighter is entering the prime of his career and the other is in the twilight of his career. Managers are like NBA coaches, they're unbelievably overrated. Yes, a good one makes a big difference from a bad one, but ultimately when you have two world class athletes in a ring, they will have only themselves to rely on. You say who has Floyd beaten that is worthwhile above 135? I agree. No one worth mentioning along the likes of Leonard or Hagler's resume. Now I'll ask you this. Exactly who has Oscar beaten above welterweight? Vargas? Mayorga? Not that much more impressive than Judah or Mitchell.
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there is NO WAY he hits harder then judah
Um, I hate to disagree but he does hit harder than Zab. He has more punches in his arsenal too...that cross, left hook combo is a killer
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there is NO WAY he hits harder then judah
Um, I hate to disagree but he does hit harder than Zab. He has more punches in his arsenal too...that cross, left hook combo is a killer
i would be surprised if he hits as hard at 154 as zab does at 147
Re: Could Floyd stand up to this???
Floyd is too fast for Oscar, but not as powerful. He might outpoint ODLH but definitely won't knock him out like BHop did. He's smaller and like Mosley will win by decision. His style will win him points, and Oscar will only be able to win by a lucky KO, but that's unlikely.
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This is all dumb...After Hatton mops the floor wit Collazo, then Floyd needs to go that route, and thats it.
Floyd needs to fight someone young and undefeated to prove himself. Forget ODLH be a man and fight hatton.
just who has hatton faught to deserve a shot with PBF or ODLH? ok he beat an aging Tszyu...what else......he has fought no one else near their caliber....PBF would beat him like he embarrassed Gotti..just because he's undefeated does not make him a great fighter....Hatton is a copy of Micky Ward...if that...
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Originally Posted by Hairdoo
Why so many people are sold on Floyd Mayweather's greatness right now is beyond me ???
What level of competition has Floyd fought above 135lb?
Mitchell 140 :P
Judah 147 :P
now who has Oscar fought above 135lb?
Chavez 140
Gonzalez 140
Whitiker 147
Comacho 147
Quartley 147
Trinidad 147
Mosely 147 154
Vargas 154
Sturm 160
Hopkins 160
you lot honestly think lil'Floyd and his soft hands would do better in those fights than Oscar? 140 is where PBF belongs and I think we will all find that out before the end of the year. ;)
The fact is Floyd can have all the speed and defense in the world but Snr will be in Oscars corner.
Managers are like NBA coaches, they're unbelievably overrated. Yes, a good one makes a big difference from a bad one, but ultimately when you have two world class athletes in a ring, they will have only themselves to rely on. You say who has Floyd beaten that is worthwhile above 135? I agree. No one worth mentioning along the likes of Leonard or Hagler's resume. Now I'll ask you this. Exactly who has Oscar beaten above welterweight? Vargas? Mayorga? Not that much more impressive than Judah or Mitchell.
When two of the sports elite boxers face off it generally turns into a chess match and your telling me having the other guys father as your TRAINER (very different to manager) will have no consiquence? Floyd's style is typical of his Father, I see that as a huge advantage for Oscar.
Who has Oscar beaten above Welter you ask... well I give you the 2nd Mosely fight at 154 ;) also the Vargas that Oscar beat would have destroyed the Judah and Mitchell that Floyd beat and Mayorga would as well for that matter.. could you see Judah or Mitchell standing and trading with Mayorga? no.. anyways I didn't say above 147 I said above 135. In my eyes he is still riding the wave he created back at Super Featherweight, above 130 the only name I see is Castillo. I'm simply just questioning Floyds strength above 140lb.
I'll jump back on the PBF bandwagon after he beats Hatton and the Welterweight mess is sorted out.
oh and as far as Leonard/Hagler goes, well throw in Hearns and Duran at Middleweight and their resume is definately worth mentioning ;D "Fabulous Four" its worth tracking down.
